President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Seven Wishes2]

Really? Why didn't your boy proffer one single idea, or enumerate anything? You can't just be a contradictarian.

[YoungJRNY]

These don't matter. There's still what? A Vice-Presidential debate and 3 other Presidential debates?

People have their mind made up anyway. These debates just blow smoke up the people's ass who don't know a thing or understand what's going on. They focus on things like "smiling" "attacking" and "energy." When it's all said and done, this Romney dude is going to be called out on every single lie he spewed tonight.

[Seven Wishes2]

You got a stiffy for Obama Lite, huh?

[RedWingFan]

Watching MSNBC is must see tv. Matthews head was about to explode. He was furious. That dude, Maddow's adam's apple was bouncing up and down furiously. Ed what's his name was pissed that Obama got slapped around the way he did. Can't wait til election night. I'm gonna watch MSNBC until mid-morning Wednesday.

[YoungJRNY]

These don't matter. There's still what? A Vice-Presidential debate and 3 other Presidential debates?

People have their mind made up anyway. These debates just blow smoke up the people's ass who don't know a thing or understand what's going on. They focus on things like "smiling" "attacking" and "energy." When it's all said and done, this Romney dude is going to be called out on every single lie he spewed tonight.

Dude, you just got sacked by Polomalu and Harrison and driven in the dirt.

Get up, we got more tomorrow. Game?

And John Kerry wiped the floor with Bush in practically ALL his debates, How'd that turn out?

Dude, we, the people, lose in politics. Nothing will change and it'll only get worse before it picks up in this economy, if it ever does (the dogshit we lay in was because your party to begin with, LOL.) No matter who is in the White House, the most popular guy will always be the next man up not named Clinton.

Romney simply went against his own plan, lieing numerous times because he knows it sucks and is worse off knowing the higher class will benefit the most (which is why Romney didn't explain his plan to begin with.)

Polamalu, Harrison & Mendenhall back in the lineup come Sunday.

[conversationpc]

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

Right here...

Zombie Reagan Raised From Grave to Lead GOP

[Seven Wishes2]

That is classic.

[Gideon]

From an entirely oratory/rhetorical angle, I'm 10 minutes in and Romney's cleaning house. I'm shocked as hell, but this further puts to rest the notion that Obama is in any way a world class orator.

[steveo777]

What a predictable vomit-fest. Lies, exaggerations, mistruths, half-truths, partisan bullshit from both of 'em.

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

I won't be watching one of these again. God, our political system sucks.

Not really. Things didn't go your way, according to your beliefs, so you're mad.

Obama's plan will leave us worse off in 4 more years than we are now. Fact!

[Seven Wishes2]

Dude, really? I'm mad? I just think it's empty rhetoric.

Don't say I didn't tell you so when the polls don't change more than 1-2 points, tops...and the battleground states remain unchanged. Careful with that axe, Eugene.

[slucero]

What a predictable vomit-fest. Lies, exaggerations, mistruths, half-truths, partisan bullshit from both of 'em.

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

I won't be watching one of these again. God, our political system sucks.

Not really. Things didn't go your way, according to your beliefs, so you're mad.

Ben Bernanke's plan will leave us worse off in 4 more years than we are now. Fact!

fixed it fer ya..

[YoungJRNY]

These debates won't sway much. The majority of the voters are dead-set already on who their going to vote for and that's that. Swayer's in an electoral debate are overrated. In the end, they'll only be a handful of the voting anyhow.

[steveo777]

What a predictable vomit-fest. Lies, exaggerations, mistruths, half-truths, partisan bullshit from both of 'em.

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

I won't be watching one of these again. God, our political system sucks.

Not really. Things didn't go your way, according to your beliefs, so you're mad.

Ben Bernanke's plan will leave us worse off in 4 more years than we are now. Fact!

fixed it fer ya..

Bernanke's interest rate program on mortgages only needs to hold out for me for a bit longer. I'm buying me some major real estate soon.

[slucero]

What a predictable vomit-fest. Lies, exaggerations, mistruths, half-truths, partisan bullshit from both of 'em.

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

I won't be watching one of these again. God, our political system sucks.

Not really. Things didn't go your way, according to your beliefs, so you're mad.

Ben Bernanke's plan will leave us worse off in 4 more years than we are now. Fact!

fixed it fer ya..

Bernanke's interest rate program on mortgages only needs to hold out for me for a bit longer. I'm buying me some major real estate soon.

Good luck with that... the Feds own DSGE (Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium) models predict an explosive inflation and output if the short-term interest rate were pegged at the ZLB (Zero Lower Bound) between eight and nine quarters. funny how the Fed hasn't said anything thing about that... oh that's right.. that's because the current horizon of forward guidance by the FOMC of their ZIRP (Zero Interest Rate Policy) is of at least eight quarters.


Translation: the Feds own economic models are predicting inflation... which for you would be good since yer buying some real estate soon... hope yer buying it to keep it though.. because if Bernanke does what he not only intends to do but now has no choice but doing until the bitter end, the outcome is hyperinflation... which isn't the normal 2% a year..... and what will the Feds only option be when that happens?

RAISE RATES... which will translate into a comatose real estate market..

so anyone buying real estate now, thinking they'll be able to sell it later... prolly not a smart move...

[steveo777]

What a predictable vomit-fest. Lies, exaggerations, mistruths, half-truths, partisan bullshit from both of 'em.

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

I won't be watching one of these again. God, our political system sucks.

Not really. Things didn't go your way, according to your beliefs, so you're mad.

Ben Bernanke's plan will leave us worse off in 4 more years than we are now. Fact!

fixed it fer ya..

Bernanke's interest rate program on mortgages only needs to hold out for me for a bit longer. I'm buying me some major real estate soon.

Good luck with that... the Feds own DSGE (Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium) models predict an explosive inflation and output if the short-term interest rate were pegged at the ZLB (Zero Lower Bound) between eight and nine quarters. funny how the Fed hasn't said anything thing about that... oh that's right.. that's because the current horizon of forward guidance by the FOMC of their ZIRP (Zero Interest Rate Policy) is of at least eight quarters.


Translation: the Feds own economic models are predicting inflation... which for you would be good since yer buying some real estate soon... hope yer buying it to keep it though.. because if Bernanke does what he not only intends to do but now has no choice but doing until the bitter end, the outcome is hyperinflation... which isn't the normal 2% a year..... and what will the Feds only option be when that happens?

RAISE RATES... which will translate into a comatose real estate market..

so anyone buying real estate now, thinking they'll be able to sell it later... prolly not a smart move...

Not planning to sell. I'm buying positive cash flow real estate, duplexes to be exact. I'm putting in a street with cul de sac, then building the units. Assuming all units occupied, the rent $$$ collected will be 230% of the actual mortgage payments. That kind of occupancy is pretty much a lock in this area. Low interest rates make it work.

[slucero]

What a predictable vomit-fest. Lies, exaggerations, mistruths, half-truths, partisan bullshit from both of 'em.

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

I won't be watching one of these again. God, our political system sucks.

Not really. Things didn't go your way, according to your beliefs, so you're mad.

Ben Bernanke's plan will leave us worse off in 4 more years than we are now. Fact!

fixed it fer ya..

Bernanke's interest rate program on mortgages only needs to hold out for me for a bit longer. I'm buying me some major real estate soon.

Good luck with that... the Feds own DSGE (Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium) models predict an explosive inflation and output if the short-term interest rate were pegged at the ZLB (Zero Lower Bound) between eight and nine quarters. funny how the Fed hasn't said anything thing about that... oh that's right.. that's because the current horizon of forward guidance by the FOMC of their ZIRP (Zero Interest Rate Policy) is of at least eight quarters.


Translation: the Feds own economic models are predicting inflation... which for you would be good since yer buying some real estate soon... hope yer buying it to keep it though.. because if Bernanke does what he not only intends to do but now has no choice but doing until the bitter end, the outcome is hyperinflation... which isn't the normal 2% a year..... and what will the Feds only option be when that happens?

RAISE RATES... which will translate into a comatose real estate market..

so anyone buying real estate now, thinking they'll be able to sell it later... prolly not a smart move...

Not planning to sell. I'm buying positive cash flow real estate, duplexes to be exact. I'm putting in a street with cul de sac, then building the units. Assuming all units occupied, the rent $$$ collected will be 230% of the actual mortgage payments. That kind of occupancy is pretty much a lock in this area. Low interest rates make it work.

yup... in theory a good way to make the low rates work for ya in any normal economy...

The only difference is that this time the Fed balance sheet is where it has never been. and going to double by 2015.. and all that money is sitting on bank balance sheets, and at some point in time will enter the real economy, causing the velocity of money to skyrocket... and the Fed, the same Fed that completely missed the 2008 crash, will likely miss this explosion... which will result in, due to the price of things like heat, electricity, milk, bread, etc., going up 50% a month, renters not being able to make rent payments and some landlords not being able to make their loan payments.


Like the saying goes.. "you place your bets and takes your chances..."

[Memorex]

I didn't see the debate on Tv,. but I heard it on the radio. From my perspective Romney definitely scored more points which is pretty easy on these topics. But I don't think it was an all out knock out at all. I heard that Obama looked down a lot and seemed tired. So may e if I saw it I would have a different impression. I did get the idea that Romney was more engaged.

still too early to say how things will affect the undecideds.

[Memorex]

ok. watched. Yea - Prez looked off his game. The split screens were devastating.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Depressing watching that debate.

On one hand we have Obama who has done more than his fair share to ruin this country with his radical left of center policies, and will do more if re-elected. His being 180 degrees wrong wouldn't bother me so much except for the fact that it is clear from watching last nights debate, he just doesn't care. Unprepared, smirking, not interested in being there, that's what pisses me off. Maybe I should cut him some slack, it was his 20th anniversary, maybe he had such a big wild night planned starting at 10:30 that he couldn't get his mind into gear, or maybe the wild time went on between 7:00 and 8:45. If it was that just come out and say it, least you win back the support of half of the old and middle age population of the US that used to get laid, can't get laid now and and are willing to idolize anyone who still can. (although folks do have reality TV for such escapism these days and Jersey shore was on last night)

As far as Romney concerned from the political standpoint, great performance. Well prepared, agressive on point. A very competent moderate Republican. Certainly , there are Republican foot soldiers all fired up over what they saw last night. Back in those years between 88-96 when I was a young teen age/ college Republican volunteer, who loved any RINO, young, dumb and full of cum (I had a girl friend in college who had huge jugs and was the daughter of a MN Republican state senator, I had no problem mindlessly signing on the cause, anything for a face full of them boobs, but I digress) - I would have been dancing around the room too.

But the fact is we don't need a moderate republican to give us a half dose of Obama poison. What I heard from Romney was rhetoric skillfully crafted to appeal to all ideological stripes, and answer to a question about the role of government which was incoherent and failed to make an effective case for liberty (I ll perhaps take it apart line by line later). Where was a discussion of the truth that all central planning of an economy is a disaster - including when a central bank tries to do it, and that that central bank must be reigned in? Where was the admission that the Republican side needs to slay a few of its sacred cows too (e.g. unaudited, unaccountable defense spending)? I now feel that the Republicans might just get what they are wishing for - a Romney victory - I just want to re-warn that crowd of the old adage - be wary of wishing to hard for something too hard - because you might just get it and not like the consequences too much.

[Behshad]

It's good to see Romney fanboys cheer for him even when he goes against all that he's been promoting for over a year now.
The same Romney who said he doesn't care about poor people , is all of a sudden all about helping the poor. He isn't about to raise taxes on middle class now cause they're watching the debate. The 47% now count !
So is winning the debate that important that he had to change his own words and promises ? And how far will he go before he starts pissing off those who he talked to on his campaign trail? Maybe he's hoping those people don't have TVs ?
Best of all , he is talking about appealing & replacing , yet he doesn't know what he's gonna replace it with.
The debate last night was a perfect example of how Romney flip flops on important issues.

This will only get better.

[DavidWT]

I'm definitely not a Romney fan, but geez... did Obama take too much cold medicine before the debate? He had so little spark/energy. And looking down all the time while Romney was speaking did not help him at all. As much as I can't stand Romney's constant used-car salesman smirk, at least he was making eye contact and looking confident while Obama talked. Obama's expressions, on the few occasions when you could see his face, ranged from "Ouch!" and "Oh shit, I hadn't thought of that," to "Mr. Moderator, please make him stop. Please?" I hate to say it, but that was not a good night for Obama.
Something tells me he's going to get some serious debate coaching before the rematch, and he might even run the risk of overcompensating next time, and being TOO aggressive.

[KenTheDude]

I hope Obamacare covers Barack's kicked ass.

[KenTheDude]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

[Behshad]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

You mean when he asked Obama "Why did you start a war in Afghanistan?"

Romney still has a very tough road ahead of him. He is the master of fli-floping and the next 2 debates will reveal that. He wasnt pushing his ideas and plans through last night, he was playing his politician part better : Say what your aduience wants to hear. Can he keep it going for another month ? time will tell

[KenTheDude]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

You mean when he asked Obama "Why did you start a war in Afghanistan?"

No, I mean Romney was talking to an empty podium. And what candidate spells out intricate details of their plans in a debate? Nobody does that. Especially when they only have a few minutes each to talk. What details did Obama reveal about what he would do with 4 more years? I didn't hear specifics from him either. And for the record, Obama talked 4 more minutes than Romaney did and I still don't know what he'd do with 4 more years.

[Behshad]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

You mean when he asked Obama "Why did you start a war in Afghanistan?"

No, I mean Romney was talking to an empty podium. And what candidate spells out intricate details of their plans in a debate? Nobody does that. Especially when they only have a few minutes each to talk. What details did Obama reveal about what he would do with 4 more years? I didn't hear specifics from him either. And for the record, Obama talked 4 more minutes than Romaney did and I still don't know what he'd do with 4 more years.

Oh come on, you do know that with Obama you will get four more years of the same However you stick with Romney's "no plan" hoping that his " I am all for middle class" is really his plan , when just a week ago he said to the same middle class " dont expect big tax cuts"

[KenTheDude]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

You mean when he asked Obama "Why did you start a war in Afghanistan?"

No, I mean Romney was talking to an empty podium. And what candidate spells out intricate details of their plans in a debate? Nobody does that. Especially when they only have a few minutes each to talk. What details did Obama reveal about what he would do with 4 more years? I didn't hear specifics from him either. And for the record, Obama talked 4 more minutes than Romaney did and I still don't know what he'd do with 4 more years.

Oh come on, you do know that with Obama you will get four more years of the same However you stick with Romney's "no plan" hoping that his " I am all for middle class" is really his plan , when just a week ago he said to the same middle class " dont expect big tax cuts"

"Four more years of the same" is all I need to know.

[Behshad]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

You mean when he asked Obama "Why did you start a war in Afghanistan?"

No, I mean Romney was talking to an empty podium. And what candidate spells out intricate details of their plans in a debate? Nobody does that. Especially when they only have a few minutes each to talk. What details did Obama reveal about what he would do with 4 more years? I didn't hear specifics from him either. And for the record, Obama talked 4 more minutes than Romaney did and I still don't know what he'd do with 4 more years.

Oh come on, you do know that with Obama you will get four more years of the same However you stick with Romney's "no plan" hoping that his " I am all for middle class" is really his plan , when just a week ago he said to the same middle class " dont expect big tax cuts"

"Four more years of the same" is all I need to know.

now tell me , how YOUR life has changed from 4 years ago today as far as your job, income and overall where you were in 07-08 and where you are now?

[The Sushi Hunter]

Indeed !

Explain how you conclude that Romney flip-flopped on last night's debate?

[The Sushi Hunter]

I hope Obamacare covers Barack's kicked ass.

LOL