President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Behshad]

Indeed !

Explain how you conclude that Romney flip-flopped on last night's debate?

He basically said things last night that are the exact opposite of what he has been promoting. Flip during campaign and flop when in debate

[KenTheDude]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

You mean when he asked Obama "Why did you start a war in Afghanistan?"

No, I mean Romney was talking to an empty podium. And what candidate spells out intricate details of their plans in a debate? Nobody does that. Especially when they only have a few minutes each to talk. What details did Obama reveal about what he would do with 4 more years? I didn't hear specifics from him either. And for the record, Obama talked 4 more minutes than Romaney did and I still don't know what he'd do with 4 more years.

Oh come on, you do know that with Obama you will get four more years of the same However you stick with Romney's "no plan" hoping that his " I am all for middle class" is really his plan , when just a week ago he said to the same middle class " dont expect big tax cuts"

"Four more years of the same" is all I need to know.

now tell me , how YOUR life has changed from 4 years ago today as far as your job, income and overall where you were in 07-08 and where you are now?

I work in the oil and gas industry in Texas. Two things that Obama hates...Oil/Gas & Texas. In 2010/2011 I was on 30-hour weeks for a 10-month span. I knew things would get bad in this industry because of him so I prepared early. The oil plants we dealt with cut their yearly budgets to what they used to spend in a month a few years prior. I was still able to move to a much nicer neighborhood and in a nicer house because I prepared. I also sold my old house for $40,000 less than what it was worth a few years before that. My wife & I currently pay the equivelant of her entire gross income in taxes. That's not counting tax I pay when I buy something. I'm better off because of the pratices I've done. Not biting off more than I can chew. Certainly not because of what the president has done.

[conversationpc]

davidfrum ‏@davidfrum RT @Heminator: That wasn't a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car.

That IS a good one.

[Behshad]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

You mean when he asked Obama "Why did you start a war in Afghanistan?"

No, I mean Romney was talking to an empty podium. And what candidate spells out intricate details of their plans in a debate? Nobody does that. Especially when they only have a few minutes each to talk. What details did Obama reveal about what he would do with 4 more years? I didn't hear specifics from him either. And for the record, Obama talked 4 more minutes than Romaney did and I still don't know what he'd do with 4 more years.

Oh come on, you do know that with Obama you will get four more years of the same However you stick with Romney's "no plan" hoping that his " I am all for middle class" is really his plan , when just a week ago he said to the same middle class " dont expect big tax cuts"

"Four more years of the same" is all I need to know.

now tell me , how YOUR life has changed from 4 years ago today as far as your job, income and overall where you were in 07-08 and where you are now?

I work in the oil and gas industry in Texas. Two things that Obama hates...Oil/Gas & Texas. In 2010/2011 I was on 30-hour weeks for a 10-month span. I knew things would get bad in this industry because of him so I prepared early. The oil plants we dealt with cut their yearly budgets to what they used to spend in a month a few years prior. I was still able to move to a much nicer neighborhood and in a nicer house because I prepared. I also sold my old house for $40,000 less than what it was worth a few years before that. My wife & I currently pay the equivelant of her entire gross income in taxes. That's not counting tax I pay when I buy something. I'm better off because of the pratices I've done. Not biting off more than I can chew. Certainly not because of what the president has done.

With Romney in office, he loves coal

So you expect Romney to get in office and hand out big checks for people who work for oil companies ?
And you think your taxes will GO DOWN ?
The housing market was at its lowest 4 years ago and it's been going towards the right direction , so you cant really say things arent getting better.
Now shed some light on this so called hate Obama has towards Texas and how he makes sure that you guys pay for it ! Are you suggesting that he taxes you guys on a higher just cause you live in Texas ?

[The Sushi Hunter]

He'll be saying the same thing about drinking after Biden's debate next week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v46plhmxXU4

[The Sushi Hunter]

Indeed !

Explain how you conclude that Romney flip-flopped on last night's debate?

He basically said things last night that are the exact opposite of what he has been promoting. Flip during campaign and flop when in debate

Please provide the details of what these said opposites are.

[Behshad]

Please provide the details of what these said opposites are.

His words!


Last night he said :

“My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class,” Romney said during the debate. “Middle-income Americans have seen their income come down by $4,300 [under President Barack Obama]. This is a -- this is a tax in and of itself. I'll call it the economy tax. It's been crushing.”


Last Week he said :

Romney To Middle Class Ohioans: Don't Expect Too Much Tax Relief From Me
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... 15949.html

[The Sushi Hunter]

Please provide the details of what these said opposites are.

His words!


Last night he said :

“My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class,” Romney said during the debate. “Middle-income Americans have seen their income come down by $4,300 [under President Barack Obama]. This is a -- this is a tax in and of itself. I'll call it the economy tax. It's been crushing.”


Last Week he said :

Romney To Middle Class Ohioans: Don't Expect Too Much Tax Relief From Me
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... 15949.html

Tax relief and income are two different things but I still don't see your point of flip flopping on what is mentioned above.

[Behshad]

Please provide the details of what these said opposites are.

His words!


Last night he said :

“My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class,” Romney said during the debate. “Middle-income Americans have seen their income come down by $4,300 [under President Barack Obama]. This is a -- this is a tax in and of itself. I'll call it the economy tax. It's been crushing.”


Last Week he said :

Romney To Middle Class Ohioans: Don't Expect Too Much Tax Relief From Me
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... 15949.html

Tax relief and income are two different things but I still don't see your point of flip flopping on what is mentioned above.

Last week : Middle class , Do not expect too much tax relief from me : FLIP
Last night : Middle class, I am gonna give you tax relief : FLOP

Or do you have a hard time understanding what it means ? Basically half of what he was saying on stage last night was the exact opposite of what he has saying during his campaign. Mainly the tax cut for the millionaires that he has been promising (yet he backed out of it last nite, knowing majority of those watching the debate are not millionaires) and the tex relief for the middle class that he has been against it for years.
Same thing about the healthcare reform. Obama Care isnt good, however RomneyCare is great (pretty much the same thing, but on state level) .

[KenTheDude]

Now we know what Clint Eastwood meant.

You mean when he asked Obama "Why did you start a war in Afghanistan?"

No, I mean Romney was talking to an empty podium. And what candidate spells out intricate details of their plans in a debate? Nobody does that. Especially when they only have a few minutes each to talk. What details did Obama reveal about what he would do with 4 more years? I didn't hear specifics from him either. And for the record, Obama talked 4 more minutes than Romaney did and I still don't know what he'd do with 4 more years.

Oh come on, you do know that with Obama you will get four more years of the same However you stick with Romney's "no plan" hoping that his " I am all for middle class" is really his plan , when just a week ago he said to the same middle class " dont expect big tax cuts"

"Four more years of the same" is all I need to know.

now tell me , how YOUR life has changed from 4 years ago today as far as your job, income and overall where you were in 07-08 and where you are now?

I work in the oil and gas industry in Texas. Two things that Obama hates...Oil/Gas & Texas. In 2010/2011 I was on 30-hour weeks for a 10-month span. I knew things would get bad in this industry because of him so I prepared early. The oil plants we dealt with cut their yearly budgets to what they used to spend in a month a few years prior. I was still able to move to a much nicer neighborhood and in a nicer house because I prepared. I also sold my old house for $40,000 less than what it was worth a few years before that. My wife & I currently pay the equivelant of her entire gross income in taxes. That's not counting tax I pay when I buy something. I'm better off because of the pratices I've done. Not biting off more than I can chew. Certainly not because of what the president has done.

With Romney in office, he loves coal

So you expect Romney to get in office and hand out big checks for people who work for oil companies ?
And you think your taxes will GO DOWN ?
The housing market was at its lowest 4 years ago and it's been going towards the right direction , so you cant really say things arent getting better.
Now shed some light on this so called hate Obama has towards Texas and how he makes sure that you guys pay for it ! Are you suggesting that he taxes you guys on a higher just cause you live in Texas ?

I don't want Romney to hand out big checks to oil companies. What Romney would do is move drilling to the state level. Alaska and Texas would be able to do what they think is right for their state. That's certainly better than giving $90 billion to companies that took the money and promptly declared bankrupcy. Or stopping the oil pipeline from Canada because one greeny-weenie state cried that it would hurt some frogs of some crap like that. The housing problem started on Clinton's watch and peaked in my area when I sold my house. I left 40 grand on the table. I'm refincing my new house and it was appraised last week for $20,000 less than what I paid for it. The housing market is far from better. Ask people in Detroit about housing.

Obama hates Texas because Perry told him he could take his stimulus and shove it because it would come with too many strings attached. I don't really like Perry. He shined his ass earlier this year. But there's no denying that the jobs are in Texas now and it's increasing into the oil & gas industry and it's pissing Obama off.

And yes, I have to believe I will pay less taxes with Romney.

Look, 4 years ago Obama called Bush UNPATRIOTIC for running up 4 trillion in debt in his 8 years. That included financing 2 wars. Whether the wars were right or wrong I'm not going to debate. It was 4 trillion in 8 years. Obama piles up 6 more trillion in debt in 3+ years. That's 50% more than Bush in less than half the time. You can say that he was cleaning up Bush's mess. If he had such a big mess to clean up and needed piles of money to fix it, why did he pledge to cut the debt in half in his first term? And said if he didn't he'd be a "one & done" president and deservedly so? Obama didn't drop down from Mars when he decided to run for president. He knew what shape the economy was in. So why lie and say he could clean everything up in his first term? And now he needs 4 more years? I don't think so. You could argue that the Republicans keep killing everything. In Obama's first 2 years, he had a democratic controlled House & Senate. He could have done anything. And while the county needed jobs the most, what does he do? He comes up with this albatross Obamacare. Most of which won't kick in until he's long gone. If it's so wonderful, why not have it kick in now?

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

“What would have happened if Thurston Howell and Gilligan had debated economics on the island”?

Easy, they would have both moaned about the shortage of Ginger, and the impracticalities of sharing that product.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Fell asleep about 3/4 thru the debate. Obama has always been a crummy debater and the media helped carry him thru the 2008 primaries. What I saw last night was a poised credible performance with the commander in chief acting presidential and refusing to take the polemical bait. Romney came off as a slick used ford pinto salesman touting the wonders of tax relief and all too eager to throw data and statistics in the air in an effort to distract. He also talked down to the American people. As Obama repeatedly pointed out, does anyone truly believe that closing down on loopholes will make up for revenue shortfalls? Why have Romney/Ryan refused to identify these specific loopholes and breaks? Then he attacks Obama from the left and channels his inner Paul Krugman arguing that Dodd-Frank keeps the lemon socialism of "Too Big to Fail" intact. LMAO. Since when does the GOP want to break up the big banks? Romney's performance insulted my intelligence as a voter. His aggressiveness in scoring points (some valid, most cheap) and running roughshod over the moderator came off as unhinged desperation.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

good article

http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/04/r ... -the-count

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's because he was talking over your pay grade.

Face it, your guy got creamed BIG TIME!

Not what I saw. I'm catching the last twenty minutes online now. Romney reminded me of fast-talker John Moschitta from those old Fed Ex commercials. But an uninterrupted stream of bullshit remains just that. To anyone who has taken so much as an accounting elective at a local community college, Romney's economics were obviously bunk. I wonder, will he appoint a Haitian Priestess as his Treasury Secretary? 'Cuz he sure was spouting alot of voodoo. I still fully expect a solid Obama win. Love to watch right wingers' heads explode ala Scanners.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Maryann was way better.

“What would have happened if Thurston Howell and Gilligan had debated economics on the island”?

Easy, they would have both moaned about the shortage of Ginger, and the impracticalities of sharing that product.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Interesting how Obama made reference to Abraham Lincoln in his debate. Lincoln was a Republican who helped unshackle the slaves from the democrats. Meanwhile Biden mentioned that the republicans would "put ya'll back in shackles". Next week's VP debate is going to be a real hum dinger. God I bet they have that fucker completely sedated with something to keep him from saying anything stupid like that during this upcoming VP debate. But like going to watch a dare devil doing some ridiculous stunt, we go and watch anyways just in case Biden does slip up.

[Memorex]

I think more than anything, the x-factor here, is that this debate will keep some people home on election day, those folks that would likely otherwise vote for Obama. I think it was discouraging. And with a race so tight, any side staying home could spell the end.

Here's my concern when you add it all up. And these are just plain facts. The president spends way too much time on the golf course, the basketball course, and having parties. I have not seen him lead on anything in probably 18 months or more. You can't be the guy up there just complaining and blaming all the time. You have to find the ways to work with everyone. And if the other party flat out refuses, then you just didn't get the job done. The country has to decide if they want to replace the president or the republicans in congress. However, the president has seemingly given up leading. I wish that were not true.

Then he comes out last night and it appears like he just hasn't prepared. Now, that can be pretty meaningless depending on how the next two debates and the rest of the campaigning go. But for all these people that are saying Romney is more seasoned - well then prepare better, be more engaged.

I saw no differences in Romney or Obama's plans. Everyone on the left is saying Romney flip-flopped and/or lied. I looked at the fact check sites and am not really seeing anything out of the ordinary. They both stretched numbers pretty equally. As far as taxing the middle class - anyone that thinks that Romney will raise taxes on the middle class is just plain dumb. But he's not going to lower them any further outside of extending the Bush tax cuts. That said, some of these loopholes may raise the tax burden on both the middle class and the rich. But why do we need loopholes in the first place. I say dump most of them (except the ones I get).

[The Sushi Hunter]

In my opinion Obama has never come across as prepared and I've never been impressed with his performance on any open mic platforms that I've seen. Pair him up with a teleprompter though and that spells out a completely different opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrq2MnkYxQc

[Memorex]

So check this out:

Bob Woodward, America’s preeminent investigative reporter and non-fiction author, joined Brian Kilmeade on Kilmeade and Friends and suspects that something happened in President Obama’s presidential or personal life that distracted him during last night’s debate. Woodward goes on to suggest this “something” could be in foreign affairs with an intelligence report and predicts that as the onion gets peeled we will find that something happened.

I have to say I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I was thinking in a day or two some news would come out to explain his distraction. Interesting. We shall see.

[The Sushi Hunter]

So check this out:

Bob Woodward, America’s preeminent investigative reporter and non-fiction author, joined Brian Kilmeade on Kilmeade and Friends and suspects that something happened in President Obama’s presidential or personal life that distracted him during last night’s debate. Woodward goes on to suggest this “something” could be in foreign affairs with an intelligence report and predicts that as the onion gets peeled we will find that something happened.

I have to say I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I was thinking in a day or two some news would come out to explain his distraction. Interesting. We shall see.

Maybe he picked the wrong week to quit smoking, as previously mentioned.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Maryann was way better.

“What would have happened if Thurston Howell and Gilligan had debated economics on the island”?

Easy, they would have both moaned about the shortage of Ginger, and the impracticalities of sharing that product.

No Way dude ! I first realize that boys were attracted to girls when I watched Gilligans Island and saw Ginger , and I was only five years old!

[The_Noble_Cause]

So check this out:

Bob Woodward, America’s preeminent investigative reporter and non-fiction author, joined Brian Kilmeade on Kilmeade and Friends and suspects that something happened in President Obama’s presidential or personal life that distracted him during last night’s debate. Woodward goes on to suggest this “something” could be in foreign affairs with an intelligence report and predicts that as the onion gets peeled we will find that something happened.

I have to say I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I was thinking in a day or two some news would come out to explain his distraction. Interesting. We shall see.

Maybe he picked the wrong week to quit smoking, as previously mentioned.

Yeh, or maybe he's just a shit debater and always has been.

[Memorex]

So check this out:

Bob Woodward, America’s preeminent investigative reporter and non-fiction author, joined Brian Kilmeade on Kilmeade and Friends and suspects that something happened in President Obama’s presidential or personal life that distracted him during last night’s debate. Woodward goes on to suggest this “something” could be in foreign affairs with an intelligence report and predicts that as the onion gets peeled we will find that something happened.

I have to say I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I was thinking in a day or two some news would come out to explain his distraction. Interesting. We shall see.

Maybe he picked the wrong week to quit smoking, as previously mentioned.

No, as AlGore said, it was just the high altitude of Denver. O's brain was just lacking in oxygen.

That quote was pretty pathetic.

I am so disappointed in Al Gore. He was in such a place to become a true statesman, like Clinton has. He had the world at his feet to do a lot of good and make a lot of change. Instead, he somehow became this off-kilter absolute total hypocrite and flat out crazy dude. You want to talk about a dishonest person. This guy takes the cake, and not just for his beliefs, but for profit. I wish he'd just go away now.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Then he attacks Obama from the left and channels his inner Paul Krugman arguing that Dodd-Frank keeps the lemon socialism of "Too Big to Fail" intact. LMAO. Since when does the GOP want to break up the big banks?

Well there are a few around in the GOP, but they were all Ron Paul types who realise the Fed is dangerous and big banks shouldn't be allowed special favors and be allowed to commit aggression against the little guy. The problem is they weren't dropped off by the stork yesterday and don't trust Mittens enough to ever want him to lead the charge for him.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night as you were expecting to see? If not, try taking a closer look at the Obama camp.

[Behshad]

Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night?

I tried to explain it to you but you dont understand.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night?

I tried to explain it to you but you dont understand.

Seems you're the only one.

[Memorex]

Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night as you were expecting to see?

I think there is wide-spread commentary on the left that Romney lied and flip flopped. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. I mean, in every debate, both sides, there are these issues of comparing words and all that. But some commentary is saying he is devoid of honesty. That's a pretty big statement without backing it up. So I'm curious.

The one I keep hearing is the 5 billion dollar tax plan. And Romney says that's not his plan and the president and his team are saying he's lying. But all the fact check sites says yes, it may cost 5 billion but he is offsetting it with closed loopholes, etc. I suspect that if Romney won, he may offer a smaller tax decrease if he can't offset it. I don't know. But this argument doesn't mean someone is devoid of honesty. Weird.

The president also used a lot of stretched numbers. It's just how these things always go.

[Behshad]

Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night?

I tried to explain it to you but you dont understand.

Seems you're the only one.

So you only understand it better if more than one person says it to you ? Sounds about right .

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night as you were expecting to see?

I think there is wide-spread commentary on the left that Romney lied and flip flopped. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. I mean, in every debate, both sides, there are these issues of comparing words and all that. But some commentary is saying he is devoid of honesty. That's a pretty big statement without backing it up. So I'm curious.

The one I keep hearing is the 5 billion dollar tax plan. And Romney says that's not his plan and the president and his team are saying he's lying. But all the fact check sites says yes, it may cost 5 billion but he is offsetting it with closed loopholes, etc. I suspect that if Romney won, he may offer a smaller tax decrease if he can't offset it. I don't know. But this argument doesn't mean someone is devoid of honesty. Weird.

The president also used a lot of stretched numbers. It's just how these things always go.

Behshad will explain it to you.