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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:37 am

Behshad wrote:
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The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night?



I tried to explain it to you but you dont understand.


Seems you're the only one.


So you only understand it better if more than one person says it to you ? :lol: Sounds about right .


Not explaining it, just plain saying/suggesting it. I've yet to read anyone else saying this same thing as you're claiming.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:42 am

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The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night as you were expecting to see?


I think there is wide-spread commentary on the left that Romney lied and flip flopped. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. I mean, in every debate, both sides, there are these issues of comparing words and all that. But some commentary is saying he is devoid of honesty. That's a pretty big statement without backing it up. So I'm curious.

The one I keep hearing is the 5 billion dollar tax plan. And Romney says that's not his plan and the president and his team are saying he's lying. But all the fact check sites says yes, it may cost 5 billion but he is offsetting it with closed loopholes, etc. I suspect that if Romney won, he may offer a smaller tax decrease if he can't offset it. I don't know. But this argument doesn't mean someone is devoid of honesty. Weird.

The president also used a lot of stretched numbers. It's just how these things always go.


Behshad will explain it to you.


OK so now you have it : There is a wide-spread commentary on the left that Romney lied and flip-flopped . That should make it easier for you to understand, eh ?

He basically said things last nite that were the opposite of what he has said all along. He has been all about millionaires and how they need a break and that he doesnt care about the middle class, he doesnt care about the 47%. Up until last night. On national TV, knowing that the 47% is watching, he started saying things that he wanted them to hear, rather than what he truly thinks ;)
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:44 am

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Fact Finder wrote:“What would have happened if Thurston Howell and Gilligan had debated economics on the island”?



Easy, they would have both moaned about the shortage of Ginger, and the impracticalities of sharing that product. :D :!:


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No Way dude ! I first realize that boys were attracted to girls when I watched Gilligans Island and saw Ginger , and I was only five years old!


I first realized boys were attracted to girls when I used to see those old 60's and early 70's toothpaste commercials of the couples kissing after brushing.

In regards to Gilligan's Island, I don't remember anyone being attracted to Ginger on the show really. I do remember Ginger thinking she was a hot shit movie star trapped on the desert island with a bunch of morons who could never launch a successfull get-away from the island though.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:49 am

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Behshad wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
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The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah the moderator didn't coach Obama during this debate for sure.

Behshad, you're the only one that I know of so far saying Romney flip-flopped in last night's debate. Not only on this forum, but everywhere. What gives? Did you see enough sweat last night as you were expecting to see?


I think there is wide-spread commentary on the left that Romney lied and flip flopped. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. I mean, in every debate, both sides, there are these issues of comparing words and all that. But some commentary is saying he is devoid of honesty. That's a pretty big statement without backing it up. So I'm curious.

The one I keep hearing is the 5 billion dollar tax plan. And Romney says that's not his plan and the president and his team are saying he's lying. But all the fact check sites says yes, it may cost 5 billion but he is offsetting it with closed loopholes, etc. I suspect that if Romney won, he may offer a smaller tax decrease if he can't offset it. I don't know. But this argument doesn't mean someone is devoid of honesty. Weird.

The president also used a lot of stretched numbers. It's just how these things always go.


Behshad will explain it to you.


OK so now you have it : There is a wide-spread commentary on the left that Romney lied and flip-flopped . That should make it easier for you to understand, eh ?

He basically said things last nite that were the opposite of what he has said all along. He has been all about millionaires and how they need a break and that he doesnt care about the middle class, he doesnt care about the 47%. Up until last night. On national TV, knowing that the 47% is watching, he started saying things that he wanted them to hear, rather than what he truly thinks ;)



Delusional much? They have some good drugs for that now, it appears O may have been on some last night. :D


Yes you are delusional. I put up the links of what ROMNEY said. both Last night and what he said September 26th. Two different Romneys.
Even his own buddies call him the Etch & Sketch. But of course I didnt expect you to see that cause you follow things with both eyes closed and head up your rectum .

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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:51 am

Who's the two buddies?

Meanwhile Obama is claiming Romney was pretending to be someone else last night. Biden's responsible for that comment I'm sure. This current administration is proving exactly how pathetic, disfunctional and ineffective it trully is, completely on their own in fact. Obama saying his performance sucked during last night's debate because Romney was pretending to be someone else. That's priceless.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:07 am

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Bob Woodward, America’s preeminent investigative reporter and non-fiction author, joined Brian Kilmeade on Kilmeade and Friends and suspects that something happened in President Obama’s presidential or personal life that distracted him during last night’s debate. Woodward goes on to suggest this “something” could be in foreign affairs with an intelligence report and predicts that as the onion gets peeled we will find that something happened.


I have to say I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I was thinking in a day or two some news would come out to explain his distraction. Interesting. We shall see.


Maybe he picked the wrong week to quit smoking, as previously mentioned.


No, as AlGore said, it was just the high altitude of Denver. O's brain was just lacking in oxygen. :lol:


I thought you were joking but it does turns out that in fact Mr. Al Gore of operation "Sore/Loserman Countless Recount" has in fact suggested that Obama was lacking oxygen last night. WTF is up with all these Democrat Dingbats!
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:46 am

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The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Memorex wrote:So check this out:

Bob Woodward, America’s preeminent investigative reporter and non-fiction author, joined Brian Kilmeade on Kilmeade and Friends and suspects that something happened in President Obama’s presidential or personal life that distracted him during last night’s debate. Woodward goes on to suggest this “something” could be in foreign affairs with an intelligence report and predicts that as the onion gets peeled we will find that something happened.


I have to say I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I was thinking in a day or two some news would come out to explain his distraction. Interesting. We shall see.


Maybe he picked the wrong week to quit smoking, as previously mentioned.


No, as AlGore said, it was just the high altitude of Denver. O's brain was just lacking in oxygen. :lol:


I thought you were joking but it does turns out that in fact Mr. Al Gore of operation "Sore/Loserman Countless Recount" has in fact suggested that Obama was lacking oxygen last night. WTF is up with all these Democrat Dingbats!


I don't make this shit up. :shock:


Actually there aren't too many people who can come up with such kooky shit as these dems have come up with. I'm actually looking forward to more shit that they are going to come up with, which no doubt should be right after next weeks VP debate.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:33 am

I can hardly wait to see what the new and improved Obama debate strategy is going to be. Probably a pissed off angry tough guy strategy? It's the only thing he's got left.
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Postby KenTheDude » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:42 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Memorex wrote:So check this out:

Bob Woodward, America’s preeminent investigative reporter and non-fiction author, joined Brian Kilmeade on Kilmeade and Friends and suspects that something happened in President Obama’s presidential or personal life that distracted him during last night’s debate. Woodward goes on to suggest this “something” could be in foreign affairs with an intelligence report and predicts that as the onion gets peeled we will find that something happened.


I have to say I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I was thinking in a day or two some news would come out to explain his distraction. Interesting. We shall see.


Maybe he picked the wrong week to quit smoking, as previously mentioned.


No, as AlGore said, it was just the high altitude of Denver. O's brain was just lacking in oxygen. :lol:


I thought you were joking but it does turns out that in fact Mr. Al Gore of operation "Sore/Loserman Countless Recount" has in fact suggested that Obama was lacking oxygen last night. WTF is up with all these Democrat Dingbats!


I don't make this shit up. :shock:


Actually there aren't too many people who can come up with such kooky shit as these dems have come up with. I'm actually looking forward to more shit that they are going to come up with, which no doubt should be right after next weeks VP debate.


Don't forget the VP debates will probably have the most kooky shit to date. Joe Biden is free entertainment. Better than any sitcom on TV these days.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:58 am

The best reality tv programming is going to be next Thursday night. Definitely a reality show worth watching.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:39 am

Obama was on downers and Romney was on speed. Honestly, in these debates it shows how important they are when substance is nowhere to be found. It was obvious that Romney fibbed right through his teeth and it's appalling to know that his own party representatives can send him out doing it and then claim victory after. Romney needs so-called "zingers" to get himself over to the people. I expect Obama to call his ass out and be more aggressive from here on out. Sitting there acting "Presidential" isn't the way to go defending your title. Obama was an absolute different debater against McCain and showed the same intensity Romney did in 2008.

Besides, these guys are out of their absolute mind to want this job to begin with. Obama looked exhausted, but he has a chance to be the next Reagan if he gets the chance at a second term. If the people voted "W" for 4 more years, Obama deserves equally the same amount of years to go for it and bring things around full circle. We've seen the worst, give the man a full 8 years. 4 isn't nearly enough after the diarrhea the Republicans put us in to begin with.
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Postby Rick » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:00 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Obama was on downers and Romney was on speed. Honestly, in these debates it shows how important they are when substance is nowhere to be found. It was obvious that Romney fibbed right through his teeth and it's appalling to know that his own party representatives can send him out doing it and then claim victory after. Romney needs so-called "zingers" to get himself over to the people. I expect Obama to call his ass out and be more aggressive from here on out. Sitting there acting "Presidential" isn't the way to go defending your title. Obama was an absolute different debater against McCain and showed the same intensity Romney did in 2008.

Besides, these guys are out of their absolute mind to want this job to begin with. Obama looked exhausted, but he has a chance to be the next Reagan if he gets the chance at a second term. If the people voted "W" for 4 more years, Obama deserves equally the same amount of years to go for it and bring things around full circle. We've seen the worst, give the man a full 8 years. 4 isn't nearly enough after the diarrhea the Republicans put us in to begin with.


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Postby Memorex » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:47 am

I am still trying to understand where he fibbed through his teeth - any more than normal or any more than Obama did. I still haven't found an answer to that. I really do want to know.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:57 am

Memorex wrote:I am still trying to understand where he fibbed through his teeth - any more than normal or any more than Obama did. I still haven't found an answer to that. I really do want to know.


May the best liar win. It's all what it boils down to in debates. If you couldn't see the flip-flop in Romney's approach and put one and two together that the dude went out there and threw out his script that he's been working on for months upon months on his campaign then I guess Politics 101 still has a spell over the public. Romney wasn't that great of a Governor and beginners luck churned through last night. I love the fact that he even pulled the "connect with America card" with Health and Medicare issues, acting like he gives two fucks about people when everybody (but obviously the President) knows he's on tape sitting in his own feces on the subject. Romney did his best Harvey "Two-Face" act. Obama looked exhausted as if to say fuck this, you want it? Have it.

Romney didn't "clean Obama's clock" from a technical standpoint. He cleaned his clock because Obama decided not to put on the gloves. With some of the things said, Obama should of thrown atleast 8 haymackers that would of ended the nonsense, but to put it lightly, decided to be a pussy instead.
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Postby Memorex » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:09 am

I know numbers were stretched on both sides. I get that and that is ALWAYS the case on these things. But people can't just say he lied or he flip flopped. You have to be specific.

The 47% comment is totally overblown, just like Obama's clinging to their guns comment. That's inside politics that no one cares about. Romney was not saying he didn't care about them, he was saying he could never win them over and he's right - he never will.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:17 am

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Memorex wrote:I am still trying to understand where he fibbed through his teeth - any more than normal or any more than Obama did. I still haven't found an answer to that. I really do want to know.



He didn't, they are throwing shit and seeing if it sticks. After last night it's all they've got left.


The dude can't even make up his mind on his running mates budget policy and is back and forth on that subject as well. On second thought, I think Romney should keep Sesame Street on the airs. It's rather clear that the dude can't do basic math to his own plan.

It is what it is. People are delusional if you think one debate is one and done for any party. Like I said before, the majority of the voters have their mind made up already. I don't think a person who is dead-set on Obama came away last night saying "YES...YES, my mind had changed. Hip-hip Hooray Mitt Romney!" No. The freelancers scattered around the country will only be a small percentage of the election.
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Postby tater1977 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:16 am

Had to :lol: with this quote from Dennis...


Dennis Miller


"Romney keeps this up, Obama's gonna vote for him".
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Postby tater1977 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:33 am

Jim Lehrer -- I Felt Kind of Disrespected By Obama and Romney -- Presidential Debates 2012

http://youtu.be/AuyKOnudwG0


Guess I'm not hearing him say that..what the title states... :roll:
Just that "he didn't expect much"?
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Postby Gideon » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:36 am

tater1977 wrote:Jim Lehrer -- I Felt Kind of Disrespected By Obama and Romney -- Presidential Debates 2012

http://youtu.be/AuyKOnudwG0


Guess I'm not hearing him say that..what the title states... :roll:
Just that "he didn't expect much"?


It's funny you mention this because I was just about to bitch about how Lehrer was a horrendous choice as a moderator. Romney was the real moderator here, which is hilarious because he was ostensibly a participant.
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Postby AR » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:40 am

I haven't seen the debate, but if Romney was the real moderator it seems he "alpha-maled" both Obama and Lehrer. That is a leadership quality regardless of if he fits your political views or not. That is a quality I'd like of a President when dealing with foreign leaders at the very least.
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Postby Gideon » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:44 am

AR wrote:I haven't seen the debate, but if Romney was the real moderator it seems he "alpha-maled" both Obama and Lehrer. That is a leadership quality regardless of if he fits your political views or not. That is a quality I'd like of a President when dealing with foreign leaders at the very least.


Absolutely, that's a very important observation.
Obama was guilty of running roughshod over Lehrer too, but Romney consistently disregarded him and Lehrer handled it with an abundance of gentlemanly grace (i.e. like a bitch). Romney was on his A-game last night, big time. Smooth as silk, confident, but with the exception of complexion, the biggest difference between him and Obama was their gaze. Romney was focused on Obama entirely whereas Obama looked mostly to the audience and Lehrer.

Romney went from clown to king in the past 48 hours and I'm extremely impressed by his performance.
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Postby tater1977 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:54 am

Gideon wrote:
tater1977 wrote:Jim Lehrer -- I Felt Kind of Disrespected By Obama and Romney -- Presidential Debates 2012

http://youtu.be/AuyKOnudwG0


Guess I'm not hearing him say that..what the title states... :roll:
Just that "he didn't expect much"?


It's funny you mention this because I was just about to bitch about how Lehrer was a horrendous choice as a moderator. Romney was the real moderator here, which is hilarious because he was ostensibly a participant.


I know TMZ likes to "hype" their titles...but I didn't hear him say that...
If you listened to it...did you hear that?
:shock: Feel like my hearings getting bad.. :lol:
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:04 pm

I need someone with photoshop skills to make me a credit card issed by The People's Republic of China with Barack Obama's name on it. 8) :D
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:30 pm

Fact Finder wrote:and now TNC says he's a crappy debater,


Been saying that for years...

Fact Finder wrote:AFTER saying just yesterday that "there wasn't anything Romney could possibly say to turn this around."


This is true. Any idiot that can count ten toes and ten fingers knew Romney was bluffing last nite. All his talk about eliminating unidentified loopholes and tax credits is pure huckster miracle tonic, much in the same way that Reagan and W said that their tax cuts would not increase the deficit. Why is it, FF, that all the core supply-side economists remaining from the Reagan years (Bartlett, Stockman, and Roberts) all say that your guy is a dirty fucking liar? Romney is/was/remains horrible.
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Postby tater1977 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:56 pm

Obamacare Summed Up in One Sentence

http://youtu.be/vdnY8r7_fLw


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Postby Behshad » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:02 pm

Romney on 47% comments: I was ‘completely wrong’

Amazing how Romney is changing daily . :lol: it has nothing to do with the election being a month away. ;)
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Postby Behshad » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:42 pm

September jobs report: Unemployment rate tumbles


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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The unemployment rate tumbled in September as more people returned to the labor force and steady hiring continued.

Employers added 114,000 jobs during the month, down from a revised 142,000 jobs in August, the Labor Department said Friday. But revisions to July and August mean the economy added 86,000 more jobs than originally reported in those months.
Meanwhile, the unemployment rate unexpectedly fell to 7.8% in September, from 8.1% the prior month.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:54 pm

Obama's economy: A snapshot

When the president entered office on Jan. 20, 2009, the economy was issue No. 1. It still is today. Here's a look at where the economy stood then and what's changed since.

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Job losses peaked in early 2009, and steadily declined throughout the year. The economy finally started creating jobs in the beginning of 2010, but then employers pulled back in the summer. A similar trend occurred in 2011, and then again in 2012, when strong momentum early in the year stumbled in the spring.


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The unemployment rate surged to 10% in Obama's first year in office and has fallen gradually since then, landing at 8.2% as of June. Part of the decline has come as some Americans have gone back to work, but also because many workers have dropped out of the labor force.


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During the first three months of 2009, the economy slumped at an annual rate of 6.7%. Since then GDP has been growing and slowly recovering, but the rebound has been a lackluster one compared to those following prior recessions.


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Home prices have moved up and down since the start of Obama's term. Lifted in 2010 on the back of the Recovery Act's homebuyer tax credit, prices later fell when the credit expired. But overall, the trend has been lower, and housing remains in a major slump.

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More than 3 million Americans have lost their homes to foreclosure since early 2009, but bank repossessions have fallen in half since they peaked in September 2010.

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Gas and food prices have had a few temporary growth spurts in the past few years, but overall, inflation has remained relatively low, held back by falling home prices and stagnant wages.

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After bottoming out in 2009, stocks came roaring back over the next several years. But after starting 2012 with the best quarter in years, the European debt crisis and a slowing U.S. economy spooked investors, putting CNNMoney's Fear & Greed index in extreme fear territory. Experts still predict the S&P 500 will end 2012 on a high note. Most strategists surveyed by CNNMoney think the broad index will end the year up 14% from where it started.

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Already-low interest rates rose steadily in 2009 as the economy slowly began to recover, with the yield on the benchmark 10-year note hitting 4.01% in the spring of 2010. But since then, extreme fear has settled in, sending investors fleeing for the safety of government-backed U.S. Treasuries, sending 10-year yields tumbling to all-time lows.

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Manufacturing slowed through much of 2009, bottoming out midway through the year. Since then, the sector has steadily rebounded, with industrial production hitting a nearly four-year high in April

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Amid slumping home prices and rising unemployment, consumers pulled back on their spending during the recession. Stimulus programs temporarily boosted auto sales and home purchases in 2009, but since then, spending has picked up only gradually. Consumers are focusing on paying down debt instead.
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