President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Behshad]

Where's Fact Finder? I'm eager to get his take or is he still licking his wounds after the Steelers practice squad players stuck their boot up the Bungles ass?

He's out celebrating Romney's 3rd win in a row

[YoungJRNY]

Denial. Terrible sickness.

[Behshad]

Where's Fact Finder? I'm eager to get his take or is he still licking his wounds after the Steelers practice squad players stuck their boot up the Bungles ass?

Right here.

Mitt did great. Solid, Foward looking, Optomistic, Like a Leader, and dare I say Presidential. Tiger's blood and adonis' dna...WINNER!

I knew it

You should've watched TONIGHT'S debate , instead of watching the first debate you DVRed.

He stuttered and stammered 182 times tonight. And he doesn't even have a speech impediment like Joe Biden

Tonight was the closest Romney ever came to anything presidential. And that's when he shook Obama's hand

[Behshad]

Denial. Terrible sickness.

He just wants to be close to the Egyptian people. And their river

[Behshad]

" Halfway through the debate , it almost looked like Romney was ready to endorse Obama "

[YoungJRNY]

Quick, somebody Photoshop a Michael Myers mask on Obama's body right now. That was as close as a frightening slasher flick for the Romney camp if there was any.

[artist4perry]

What I saw was overt rudeness from the President. I lost even more respect in him than ever before. Left wingers may be just eating that crap up, but believe me guys the independents see it totally differently. Say what you will but that was my take. I think the smug stupid remarks about bayonets also shows the President's own lack of knowledge about the military himself...news to Obama...yes Virginia, your military still uses bayonets. That kind of thing made me lose what little respect I had for the man. He was not acting Presidential, he was acting condescending and childish.

I know it is par for the course here to attack personally, but that was not factual, nor respectful for someone who is supposed to control the highest office in the country, it was far from Presidential. It was a direct cut to someone who acted with control and respect. How many times did he feel the need to interrupt, not let Romney complete a sentence? This will not attract independent voters either.

I just wanted to share my take on this since you guys are having a high five fest. It might sound good to you since your voting for him anyway...but the President needs to think of how it comes across to independents.

[YoungJRNY]

What I saw was overt rudeness from the President.

You mean exactly what the Governor did to the President in the first debate? The dude was so overly obnoxious and packed such a punch that he came off as a total scumbag and many people wondered why Obama was so timid. Obama, tonight, showed the prowlness of a Commander in Chief in charge of the greatest country that will ever live. He was dead fucking serious about every issue (while Romney knotted his head in agreement all night) and hit his marks in such a fantastic and griphold type demeanor.

Have you watched these campaigns? The gloves are off. They need your vote and it was time for the President to show some nastiness and he did that. There is MUCH heat between the Obama and Romney camp. As an independent, does it come off as smug? Sure, but don't act like Romney is innocent in that juncture. He's had his fair share of zingers and interruptions to stomach.

[YoungJRNY]

Obama looked like a Commander. Romney looked confused.

[Memorex]

I thought on foreign policy it was pretty even. I really don't see much difference between them and i think all of that is based on both of them knowing Americans do nto want war. Unfortunately, I disagree with both of them on many things, so it kind of sucked on both sides in that regard.

That said, Romney still won on the issues relating to the economy. But that's just not hard to do when the country is doing as poorly as it is.

I've only heard three fact checks so far and all of them have Obama as false. I think ti was the bankruptcy for GM comments - Romney did say he would support government backing. Another was the status of forces agreement. Why Obama went there is beyond me. He's just absolutely wrong on that. I forget what the other one was. I'm sure there will be some Mitt falsehoods in there too.

I don't think anyone butchered anyone by any means. I was a bit bothered by Obama at times in the petty shit. And my brother in law uses a bayonet in the marines, so....

Neither Romney nor Obama answered the question about Israel calling because Romney first answered it correctly and I am sure Obama agreed - that would never happen. That's not a side step.

I did notice that the moderator's very specific question on Israel was if an attack on them meant an attack on the US and neither said yes to that. They simply said we would have their back.

I think the president scored most of his points by explaining that he has "painstakingly" put things together and not rushed them. I think that will be a big win for him. Only problem I see is that things are no different than they were 4 years ago. And in fact we are seeing a resurgence in attacks and attempted attacks. But I think he looked very good on laying it out.

The apology tour bit hurt him. Romney quoting him and Obama's response being "go ask reporters" was not good for Obama.

Fact is - neither want to get us into war. Both want to work through sanctions and such. So at the end of the day, people are going to vote on economy, women's issues, and of course sticking to their team.

[artist4perry]

What I saw was overt rudeness from the President.

You mean exactly what the Governor did to the President in the first debate? The dude was so overly obnoxious and packed such a punch that he came off as a total scumbag and many people wondered why Obama was so timid. Obama, tonight, showed the prowlness of a Commander in Chief in charge of the greatest country that will ever live. He was dead fucking serious about every issue (while Romney knotted his head in agreement all night) and hit his marks in such a fantastic and griphold type demeanor.

Have you watched these campaigns? The gloves are off. They need your vote and it was time for the President to show some nastiness and he did that. There is MUCH heat between the Obama and Romney camp. As an independent, does it come off as smug? Sure, but don't act like Romney is innocent in that juncture. He's had his fair share of zingers and interruptions to stomach.

Romney did not talk to the President like he was stupid. There is a difference. The gloves are off? Fine, Piss off independents and see the results. He needs the independents as much as Romney does. I at least had some respect for him as a person even if I did not like his policies, now I have no respect for him. I am one of those independent women voters. Zingers is one thing....overtly childish is another...we have things like submarines and air craft carriers....der der der...really? Stupid.

[YoungJRNY]

It's really not that big of a deal. Obama had the opening's and he took them, as he should. For either camp, it was checkmate time and Obama got 'em good. Don't speak as if you're the head spokesman for all Independent's in just the way he handles himself against a fierce competitor because I betchya there's thousands of Independent's that WANTED to see that from the President.

[Monker]

Where's Fact Finder? I'm eager to get his take or is he still licking his wounds after the Steelers practice squad players stuck their boot up the Bungles ass?

Right here.

Mitt did great. Solid, Foward looking, Optomistic, Like a Leader, and dare I say Presidential. Tiger's blood and adonis' dna...WINNER!

Yes, he should definitely win with his forward thinking and wanting world peace. Romney - Miiss America 2013.

[YoungJRNY]

Hah!

[Memorex]

One I am sure the fact checkers will be looking at. I believe it is Osama Bin Laden, not Obama. D'oh!

[artist4perry]

It's really not that big of a deal. Obama had the opening's and he took them, as he should. For either camp, it was checkmate time and Obama got 'em good. Don't speak as if you're the head spokesman for all Independent's in just the way he handles himself against a fierce competitor because I betchya there's thousands of Independent's that WANTED to see that from the President.

I never said I was the spokes person for anyone or anything...I spoke from my take. Fierce competitor? Sounded like a middle school boy in a childish cut down. It was not relevant, it was stupid, it had nothing to do with facts or how he planned on fixing things. All I heard was dur dur we have ships that go under water. We don't ride horses any more.. We don't use bayonets...which in reality being an ex military wife I know is not true. It was a childish cut that had nothing to do with anything except him being a complete jerk.

[YoungJRNY]

Welcome to Politics, lmao.

[Memorex]

It's really not that big of a deal. Obama had the opening's and he took them, as he should. For either camp, it was checkmate time and Obama got 'em good. Don't speak as if you're the head spokesman for all Independent's in just the way he handles himself against a fierce competitor because I betchya there's thousands of Independent's that WANTED to see that from the President.

I never said I was the spokes person for anyone or anything...I spoke from my take. Fierce competitor? Sounded like a middle school boy in a childish cut down. It was not relevant, it was stupid, it had nothing to do with facts or how he planned on fixing things. All I heard was dur dur we have ships that go under water. We don't ride horses any more.. We don't use bayonets...which in reality being an ex military wife I know is not true. It was a childish cut that had nothing to do with anything except him being a complete jerk.

That was the least presidential thing all night and it will hurt Obama with the independents and will energize his base. It made me cringe. It looked desperate.

[YoungJRNY]

Looks like Romney supporters share the same mentality as their savior: WEAK.

[conversationpc]

Same result as the last debate in my opinion, a draw.

For the President...Romney did in fact say in the op-ed in question that the government should provide some guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing.

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opini ... ce=message

Both candidates had missed opportunities on the Benghazi debacle and didn't pay much more than just lip service to something that really should've been more important.

I'm glad Romney mentioned Obama's gaffe with the Russian PM about having more "flexibility" after the election but I really wish he'd hammered him on his devastating comment with French President Sarkozy about Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHEh2UzxO68

[artist4perry]

It's really not that big of a deal. Obama had the opening's and he took them, as he should. For either camp, it was checkmate time and Obama got 'em good. Don't speak as if you're the head spokesman for all Independent's in just the way he handles himself against a fierce competitor because I betchya there's thousands of Independent's that WANTED to see that from the President.

I never said I was the spokes person for anyone or anything...I spoke from my take. Fierce competitor? Sounded like a middle school boy in a childish cut down. It was not relevant, it was stupid, it had nothing to do with facts or how he planned on fixing things. All I heard was dur dur we have ships that go under water. We don't ride horses any more.. We don't use bayonets...which in reality being an ex military wife I know is not true. It was a childish cut that had nothing to do with anything except him being a complete jerk.

That was the least presidential thing all night and it will hurt Obama with the independents and will energize his base. It made me cringe. It looked desperate.

Exactly my point. He could have done much better sticking to the facts, acting Presidential and showing leadership. Tell me what part of that kind of cut could anyone look at and find him to be intellectual? It was so middle school it was embarrassing.

[conversationpc]

Looks like Romney supporters share the same mentality as their savior: WEAK.

If that's the case, perhaps Obama can teach Romney how to bow to foreign leaders in the proper fashion.

[Memorex]

From CNN:

There was no clear winner of Monday's presidential debate, according to a CNN/ORC poll of people who watched.

[conversationpc]

From CNN:

There was no clear winner of Monday's presidential debate, according to a CNN/ORC poll of people who watched.

Basically echoes what I just said just like the last debate. At least there wasn't as much interrupting and bickering this time around. Schieffer did a great job moderating.

[Memorex]

Yea - I liked the moderating on this one (except the Obama/Osama slip). He let them talk to get their points out, but also pushed them along when their conversation was heading to the next topic.

What I'd like to hear are the phone calls between Obama and Romney as they have been plotting all of this.

[artist4perry]

You guys have fun arguing this stuff tonight, I rarely stick my head in here because I find this kind of discussion futile. My thing is I love my friends regardless of their political leanings. I just wanted to share my take on the debate, but I have to get up at 5:00 am tomorrow for work and I am getting tired.

Look if you want to see Obama as the winner that is your take.
If you want to see Romney as the winner that is your take.
To me if you want my respect you should act mature in a debate. Yes, discuss what you find wrong about one or the others policies or decisions, but that kind of childishness is ridiculous and far below the Presidential office.

[Rick]

I guess I missed a statement during the debate or something because on Facebook, and I see it here as well, the Republican followers are complaining that Obama said we don't use bayonets and they post pictures of soldiers with them on the ends of their rifles. What I heard and the context I heard it in was that Romney said we don't have as many aircraft carriers, and Obama's response was that we don't have as many bayonets, either. His argument being that because of military technology, we don't need as many. I never heard him say we don't use bayonets.

I will say that I think Obama was thinking of the sheathed bayonet a soldier used to carry at his side and wasn't thinking of the rifle mounted one.

[artist4perry]

I guess I missed a statement during the debate or something because on Facebook, and I see it here as well, the Republican followers are complaining that Obama said we don't use bayonets and they post pictures of soldiers with them on the ends of their rifles. What I heard and the context I heard it in was that Romney said we don't have as many aircraft carriers, and Obama's response was that we don't have as many bayonets, either. His argument being that because of military technology, we don't need as many. I never heard him say we don't use bayonets.

I will say that I think Obama was thinking of the sheathed bayonet a soldier used to carry at his side and wasn't thinking of the rifle mounted one.

http://youtu.be/O_3YgHvDUmU

[Gideon]

Neither Romney nor Obama answered the question about Israel calling because Romney first answered it correctly and I am sure Obama agreed - that would never happen. That's not a side step.

Dismissing a hypothetical based on its unlikelihood is the very definition of a side step.

[artist4perry]

I guess I missed a statement during the debate or something because on Facebook, and I see it here as well, the Republican followers are complaining that Obama said we don't use bayonets and they post pictures of soldiers with them on the ends of their rifles. What I heard and the context I heard it in was that Romney said we don't have as many aircraft carriers, and Obama's response was that we don't have as many bayonets, either. His argument being that because of military technology, we don't need as many. I never heard him say we don't use bayonets.

I will say that I think Obama was thinking of the sheathed bayonet a soldier used to carry at his side and wasn't thinking of the rifle mounted one.

http://youtu.be/O_3YgHvDUmU

Pardon me...as many...the horses thing also was meant to be a cut.

Rick I love ya, but disagree on his intent with that statement.