Behshad wrote:Saint John wrote:The last phone calls were made from the plane at about 10 am, and they have recordings stating that the "counter attack" was about to begin. The final recordings contain Muslim prayers as the passengers gain entry into the cockpit, and the last muffled screams at 10:05 am are in English. The plane crashes at 10:06 am. Again, everything is in a perfect timeline. Unless, of course, the people on the planes are actually still alive and just playing a cruel joke on their loved ones, the phone companies are in on it and their records have been altered. Yeah, that seems plausible.
Lets rewind back to the morning of 9/11/01
Up until that morning, anytime a plane would be hijacked, no one ever thought the plane could be used as a weapon the way the terrorists used it that morning.
Almost any and all hijacking incidents would result in the plane landing, some negotiations, and eventually killing or capturing the hijackers and rescuing the hostages.
That morning everything chaged as we all know.
Now once youre in a plane like Flight 93 and you find out there are hijackers aboard, fear spreads quickly inside that plane and dont know about you, but most people would have this sick to the stomach feeling, nervousity and again FEAR. During the time you know you have hijackers aboard, you dont think that this is my last chance to say goodbye to my family , cause you know that every little noise you make could be observed and could result in your life ending RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
We all know that when the plane was taken over it was above 8000 feet and back in 2001 the technology didnt allow us to make cellular phone calls midair. Yes there were Airphones at some planes where you could slide your credit card and make a phone call. However you have to realize that these passengeres did not know what was going on in NYC. They were scared for their lives and they figured this plane will land shortly and negotiations begin and hopefully they will come out of it just fine.
Of course had this hijacking happend a day or a week or month after 9/11 , I would understand peoples reaction being different than "normal procedures" and they would try to do something about it. But that morning all they were worried about is how soon will we land and how effective the negotiations will be to save their lives.
Now lets say against all odds, few brave passangers DID contact their loved ones, found out about twin towers and then decided to take the plane down.
Even if this happened, our government wasnt aware of what is really goin on inside that plane. All they know about was that the plane is not responding and its headed towards DC.
The president had ordered the Air Force to take down ANY plane that doesnt respond back. There were F16 around Flight 93 and unless you are suggesting that through some Holllywod style miracle a passenger contacts their family, tell them " dont worry about us, we are takin this plane down", the family member quickly calls authotrities, they get a hold of President, he gets in touch with Air Force and they notify the pilots of F-16, last second with their thumbs on the red button, hear "abort mission" , and then plane is taken down, makes for a great story.
So EVEN if there was a heroic action onboard and people trying to take the plane down, thoose F16 pilots didnt know anything about it and they did what they were ordered to do , BRING IT DOWN.
Now, neither you or I know EXACTLY what happened that morning and probably will never find out.
Im giving you theories, you THINK youre coming up with FACTS. We both should know that we can not convince eachother about what we think happened that morning.
If the plane was shot down , would you see the Air Force pilots as the bad guys? I sure as hell dont. They did what they had to do.
I bet you most of us agree that if we had the opportunity to shoot down the planes that hit the twin towers (which we didnt ), we should have done so and people wouldve totally understood why we did it.Not only would we have saved lives of those in the towers, but also the buildings of course and it wouldve been a big FUCK YOU to the terrorist that their plan FAILED.
The same way, I think people would understand why we had to bring Flight 93 down, SPECIALLY after people witnessed what couldve happened if that plane wasnt shot down.
I just think that IF flight 93 was shot down ( which I personaly believe it was ), the government shouldve not kept it a secret from the people.
The people on that plane should be seen as heroes regardless of HOW the plane went down, simply because their lives were sacrificed to save thousands of other people's lives.
I dont expect you to "buy" this, but dont try to force your FF-style copy&paste SPECULATIONS and THEORIES as FACT!
Couple of simple questions you failed to answer :
Why would Donald Rumsfeld mention anything about the plane being shot down ?
Why wouldnt any of "your eyewitnesses" see the plane ripping apart as its crashing. You say the debris is caused by the plane being ripped apart midair before the crash, but you also say the debris was cause of the crash impact and explosion cause Jet fuel is 10 times stronger than TNT
Saint John wrote:PS I'm not even getting into the simple physics of how a plane could start coming apart from intentional pilot error. That's almost as silly as arguing that you couldn't damage a car by driving it like a fool.
Driving a car like a fool and going left and right on the road doesnt damage the car to the point it starts ripping apart .
Impact with other objects does. FACT!
