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Postby Monker » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:14 am

Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time
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Postby Rick » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:53 am

Seceding? First, you can't. Second, you're such pussies.
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Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:13 pm

Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


FOUR AMERICAN government representatives DEAD and it is not clear what exactly happened to the extent that an investigation committee is opened up because it seems the people involved can't get the story straight. One of the DEAD an ambassador who in effect represents the President abroad. We have a President that would rather go on with a campaign party instead of putting his focus on an attack of a U.S. government installation located in a "hot bed" area of unrest and terrorist attacks. Who publicly states that the safety of U.S. citizens at home and abroad is one of his top priorities. Obama tells the public that the attacks were due to a pathic anti-islamic Youtube video which has now been shown to be a blatant lie as to the cause. I would hope that if one of the victims of this event was one of your family members you wouldn't think questioning the situation and asking for details and answers as to why there is conflicting information isn't a waste a of time. Whether someone is an Obama supporter or not they are U.S. citizens who's taxes pay the salaries of those involved as well as for the infrastructure that gives them the ability to do what they do. Last time I checked this is a country with a Constitution that states the we the citizens tell the government what it can and cannot do. Which give the citizens the right to question what it is doing and what exactly happened when things go wrong. Not to mention that we have heard nothing as to what they are doing to get to the bottom of who is responsible for the attacks.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:25 pm

Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


FOUR AMERICAN government representatives DEAD and it is not clear what exactly happened to the extent that an investigation committee is opened up because it seems the people involved can't get the story straight. One of the DEAD an ambassador who in effect represents the President abroad. We have a President that would rather go on with a campaign party instead of putting his focus on an attack of a U.S. government installation located in a "hot bed" area of unrest and terrorist attacks. Who publicly states that the safety of U.S. citizens at home and abroad is one of his top priorities. Obama tells the public that the attacks were due to a pathic anti-islamic Youtube video which has now been shown to be a blatant lie as to the cause. I would hope that if one of the victims of this event was one of your family members you wouldn't think questioning the situation and asking for details and answers as to why there is conflicting information isn't a waste a of time. Whether someone is an Obama supporter or not they are U.S. citizens who's taxes pay the salaries of those involved as well as for the infrastructure that gives them the ability to do what they do. Last time I checked this is a country with a Constitution that states the we the citizens tell the government what it can and cannot do. Which give the citizens the right to question what it is doing and what exactly happened when things go wrong. Not to mention that we have heard nothing as to what they are doing to get to the bottom of who is responsible for the attacks.


The hearings and testimony are going to happen and someone will be held accountable for the cover up, hopefully. Of course none of this was going to happen with an impending election happening. There were straight up lies about this, which have been proven, including the fact that Obama knew the truth early on, but chose not to come clean at the risk of spoiling his reelection prospects. Why some people want to turn a blind eye to this is is beyond me. Hell, he's still being evasive about it.
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Postby slucero » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:33 pm

History repeats itself...

This will end up just like Iran Contra... where everyone convicted gets vacated sentences or Presidential pardons..

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Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:26 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


FOUR AMERICAN government representatives DEAD and it is not clear what exactly happened to the extent that an investigation committee is opened up because it seems the people involved can't get the story straight. One of the DEAD an ambassador who in effect represents the President abroad. We have a President that would rather go on with a campaign party instead of putting his focus on an attack of a U.S. government installation located in a "hot bed" area of unrest and terrorist attacks. Who publicly states that the safety of U.S. citizens at home and abroad is one of his top priorities. Obama tells the public that the attacks were due to a pathic anti-islamic Youtube video which has now been shown to be a blatant lie as to the cause. I would hope that if one of the victims of this event was one of your family members you wouldn't think questioning the situation and asking for details and answers as to why there is conflicting information isn't a waste a of time. Whether someone is an Obama supporter or not they are U.S. citizens who's taxes pay the salaries of those involved as well as for the infrastructure that gives them the ability to do what they do. Last time I checked this is a country with a Constitution that states the we the citizens tell the government what it can and cannot do. Which give the citizens the right to question what it is doing and what exactly happened when things go wrong. Not to mention that we have heard nothing as to what they are doing to get to the bottom of who is responsible for the attacks.


The hearings and testimony are going to happen and someone will be held accountable for the cover up, hopefully. Of course none of this was going to happen with an impending election happening. There were straight up lies about this, which have been proven, including the fact that Obama knew the truth early on, but chose not to come clean at the risk of spoiling his reelection prospects. Why some people want to turn a blind eye to this is is beyond me. Hell, he's still being evasive about it.


It does seem that way doesn't it? After all, coming right out and calling it what it actually was right before the people are about to re-elect you may not be the best thing for you. It might look like you have been down playing the terrorist's ability to still complete significant attacks other then the simple IED attacks that continue. It may cause doubt that we have reduced the terrorist's effectiveness and that "they are on the run" and unable to function as they have been.
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Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:30 pm

slucero wrote:History repeats itself...

This will end up just like Iran Contra... where everyone convicted gets vacated sentences or Presidential pardons..


That could be possible. However, if the true facts of how this situation was handled it could open up the eyes of the public at how Obama deals and responds to events like this. It could show a weakness from inexperience he has with such matters. If so, hopefully from the pressure of this being exposed he won't make this type of mistake again. Will see.
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Postby Rick » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:29 pm

Boomchild wrote:
slucero wrote:History repeats itself...

This will end up just like Iran Contra... where everyone convicted gets vacated sentences or Presidential pardons..


That could be possible. However, if the true facts of how this situation was handled it could open up the eyes of the public at how Obama deals and responds to events like this. It could show a weakness from inexperience he has with such matters. If so, hopefully from the pressure of this being exposed he won't make this type of mistake again. Will see.


You mean, kinda like how Bush deals with things on his own soil, like Katrina? That kinda thing? Just curious. You clenched assed Republicans grasp at anything. Shut the fuck up and let the man govern. Oh, and by the way, tell your clenched assed congress the same thing.
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Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:22 pm

Rick wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
slucero wrote:History repeats itself...

This will end up just like Iran Contra... where everyone convicted gets vacated sentences or Presidential pardons..


That could be possible. However, if the true facts of how this situation was handled it could open up the eyes of the public at how Obama deals and responds to events like this. It could show a weakness from inexperience he has with such matters. If so, hopefully from the pressure of this being exposed he won't make this type of mistake again. Will see.


You mean, kinda like how Bush deals with things on his own soil, like Katrina? That kinda thing? Just curious. You clenched assed Republicans grasp at anything. Shut the fuck up and let the man govern. Oh, and by the way, tell your clenched assed congress the same thing.


Yeah, that kind of thing. Where did I say that I was a Republican??? Where did I say anything supportive of the Bush Administration? You assume too much. I guess that's the standard weapon in the Obama supporter arsenal, "When all else fails, mention Bush". LOL Sure, it's only Republicans that are critical of Obama and his policies and actions. That's a realistic viewpoint. People get their panties in a bunch and start spouting 4 letter words when you question Obama, "Mr. Hope and Change", "The Messiah" that's going to save us all and give everyone presents like Santa Claus. Would it be more appropriate to say BarackoClaus? Sorry but, the cracks have already begun to show in Obama's handy work. Oh well... back to a positive mind set, YES WE CAN CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN! HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE! OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA Do IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD! Feel better now???
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:19 am

Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


Pot calling the kettle black again Monker?
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:28 am

Boomchild wrote:
Rick wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
slucero wrote:History repeats itself...

This will end up just like Iran Contra... where everyone convicted gets vacated sentences or Presidential pardons..


That could be possible. However, if the true facts of how this situation was handled it could open up the eyes of the public at how Obama deals and responds to events like this. It could show a weakness from inexperience he has with such matters. If so, hopefully from the pressure of this being exposed he won't make this type of mistake again. Will see.


You mean, kinda like how Bush deals with things on his own soil, like Katrina? That kinda thing? Just curious. You clenched assed Republicans grasp at anything. Shut the fuck up and let the man govern. Oh, and by the way, tell your clenched assed congress the same thing.


Yeah, that kind of thing. Where did I say that I was a Republican??? Where did I say anything supportive of the Bush Administration? You assume too much. I guess that's the standard weapon in the Obama supporter arsenal, "When all else fails, mention Bush". LOL Sure, it's only Republicans that are critical of Obama and his policies and actions. That's a realistic viewpoint. People get their panties in a bunch and start spouting 4 letter words when you question Obama, "Mr. Hope and Change", "The Messiah" that's going to save us all and give everyone presents like Santa Claus. Would it be more appropriate to say BarackoClaus? Sorry but, the cracks have already begun to show in Obama's handy work. Oh well... back to a positive mind set, YES WE CAN CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN! HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE! OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA Do IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD! Feel better now???


And in the end when it turns out that he can't, he'll just blame Bush again. Hell, we don't even have to wait until the end, he's blaming Bush already for the new 1.6 Trillion in tax hikes. When Reagan took office how many times did he blame Carter for shit he couldn't get done that he said he'd fix if he was elected?

That's all Dems are is a bunch of fucking wanker babies. Dems are great at spending other people's money in the form of higher taxes and then blaming the Reps.
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Postby Behshad » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:37 am

Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


FOUR AMERICAN government representatives DEAD and it is not clear what exactly happened to the extent that an investigation committee is opened up because it seems the people involved can't get the story straight. One of the DEAD an ambassador who in effect represents the President abroad. We have a President that would rather go on with a campaign party instead of putting his focus on an attack of a U.S. government installation located in a "hot bed" area of unrest and terrorist attacks. Who publicly states that the safety of U.S. citizens at home and abroad is one of his top priorities. Obama tells the public that the attacks were due to a pathic anti-islamic Youtube video which has now been shown to be a blatant lie as to the cause. I would hope that if one of the victims of this event was one of your family members you wouldn't think questioning the situation and asking for details and answers as to why there is conflicting information isn't a waste a of time. Whether someone is an Obama supporter or not they are U.S. citizens who's taxes pay the salaries of those involved as well as for the infrastructure that gives them the ability to do what they do. Last time I checked this is a country with a Constitution that states the we the citizens tell the government what it can and cannot do. Which give the citizens the right to question what it is doing and what exactly happened when things go wrong. Not to mention that we have heard nothing as to what they are doing to get to the bottom of who is responsible for the attacks.


FOUR AMERICAN government represntative DEAD, but the only reason it is a big concern of yours is because of the media and how it was all blown way out of proportion ONLY because it happened right before election. This wouldnt have made such huge news if it would have happened a year ago, or a year from now.
Much like all those government represenatives that were killed during various attacks prior to Obama's presidency.
This isnt blaming Bush for "things going wrong". Its poitning out the facts to you that when so many other americans died during his term, it never saw the light of the news in the same way the Benghazi attacks did.
We have been targeted and attacked by terrorists for decades now. And we have been told lies by our government about many of these terrorist attacks. But the Benghazi is getting so much attention (mainly by Obama-haters) only and only because it happened around election time.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:44 am

Yeah Behshad but you never seem to complain about how the media is when it comes to reporting on what the Reps are doing? Why all of a sudden are you tripping when the media does it to the Dems?
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Postby Behshad » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:47 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah Behshad but you never seem to complain about how the media is when it comes to reporting on what the Reps are doing? Why all of a sudden are you tripping when the media does it to the Dems?


what was it you said about kettle & pot ? Who's tripping ?
I'm not the one who keeps bringing Benghazi up and compare it to watergate.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:50 am

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The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah Behshad but you never seem to complain about how the media is when it comes to reporting on what the Reps are doing? Why all of a sudden are you tripping when the media does it to the Dems?


what was it you said about kettle & pot ? Who's tripping ?
I'm not the one who keeps bringing Benghazi up and compare it to watergate.


And when was it I was making this comparison or bringing up that topic again?
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Postby Memorex » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:05 am

Big long post I just wrote and deleted because, frankly, who gives a shit?
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:11 am

Behshad wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


FOUR AMERICAN government representatives DEAD and it is not clear what exactly happened to the extent that an investigation committee is opened up because it seems the people involved can't get the story straight. One of the DEAD an ambassador who in effect represents the President abroad. We have a President that would rather go on with a campaign party instead of putting his focus on an attack of a U.S. government installation located in a "hot bed" area of unrest and terrorist attacks. Who publicly states that the safety of U.S. citizens at home and abroad is one of his top priorities. Obama tells the public that the attacks were due to a pathic anti-islamic Youtube video which has now been shown to be a blatant lie as to the cause. I would hope that if one of the victims of this event was one of your family members you wouldn't think questioning the situation and asking for details and answers as to why there is conflicting information isn't a waste a of time. Whether someone is an Obama supporter or not they are U.S. citizens who's taxes pay the salaries of those involved as well as for the infrastructure that gives them the ability to do what they do. Last time I checked this is a country with a Constitution that states the we the citizens tell the government what it can and cannot do. Which give the citizens the right to question what it is doing and what exactly happened when things go wrong. Not to mention that we have heard nothing as to what they are doing to get to the bottom of who is responsible for the attacks.


FOUR AMERICAN government represntative DEAD, but the only reason it is a big concern of yours is because of the media and how it was all blown way out of proportion ONLY because it happened right before election. This wouldnt have made such huge news if it would have happened a year ago, or a year from now.
Much like all those government represenatives that were killed during various attacks prior to Obama's presidency.
This isnt blaming Bush for "things going wrong". Its poitning out the facts to you that when so many other americans died during his term, it never saw the light of the news in the same way the Benghazi attacks did.
We have been targeted and attacked by terrorists for decades now. And we have been told lies by our government about many of these terrorist attacks. But the Benghazi is getting so much attention (mainly by Obama-haters) only and only because it happened around election time.


I can't speak for others commenting on this but, the media is NOT the reason this is a big concern to me. It's that Americans that are serving our country are dead and from accounts of the situation it appears those in charge of protecting their lives messed up and instead of telling the truth as to their failure to do so they are trying to cover it up. I never said that this has only happened with this administration or the deaths of other Americans serving and protecting our country is any less tragic or does not deserve the same kind of attention. There all tragic and the government has the responsibility to tell it's citizens the truth as to what occurred. This applies to ALL administrations past, present and future. Regardless of their party affiliation. Your exactly right that we have been told lies by our government with regards to issues like this many times before. The problem is we keep letting them do it. This is a two way street both political parties are guilty of things such as this.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:15 am

Fact Finder wrote:SOCIALITE WHO BROUGHT DOWN PETRAEUS DINED AT WHITE HOUSE THREE TIMES THIS YEAR...

Petraeus Says CIA's Talking Points Were Edited to Play Down Terrorism...

Knew Immediately Al Qaeda-Linked Group Responsible for Benghazi...
... ELEMENT REMOVED FROM SUSAN RICE'S TALKING POINTS


Not to worry, even if another blue dress with Obama's jizz stain comes into play. The first moron named Bill Clinton did it and got away with it, how's anyone else in the Whitehouse going to get into trouble over the same shit.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:19 am

Memorex wrote:Big long post I just wrote and deleted because, frankly, who gives a shit?


Yeah, Why be concerned about the deaths of those who gave their lives to serve and protect our country. No big deal. This is just one of the reasons that our government gets away with the lies and deceit surrounding such matters. At times I feel that we don't deserve people putting themselves at risk so that we can be protected and prosper.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:23 am

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Memorex wrote:Big long post I just wrote and deleted because, frankly, who gives a shit?


Yeah, Why be concerned about the deaths of those who gave their lives to serve and protect our country. No big deal. This is just one of the reasons that our government gets away with the lies and deceit surrounding such matters. At times I feel that we don't deserve people putting themselves at risk so that we can be protected and prosper.


That's precisely why so many vets come home and become fed up with how they are treated in the civilian world by some of the people they risked their lives to protect. But as I mentioned it years ago on this site, when I joined I knew that I would be risking my life for everyone, even the fuckers that don't give a shit about America. That's just part of the deal I guess.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:28 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:SOCIALITE WHO BROUGHT DOWN PETRAEUS DINED AT WHITE HOUSE THREE TIMES THIS YEAR...

Petraeus Says CIA's Talking Points Were Edited to Play Down Terrorism...

Knew Immediately Al Qaeda-Linked Group Responsible for Benghazi...
... ELEMENT REMOVED FROM SUSAN RICE'S TALKING POINTS


Not to worry, even if another blue dress with Obama's jizz stain comes into play. The first moron named Bill Clinton did it and got away with it, how's anyone else in the Whitehouse going to get into trouble over the same shit.


This reminded me of Clinton saying "Why would you vote for someone that is lying to you" referring to Romney while campaigning for Obama. Of all the people to ask a question like that based on his past record of not being truthful. The sad fact is people cheered him when said it. Guess he forgot about his past statement of "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman".
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:33 am

It was that Bill Clinton deal that got me interested in politics. Before that happened, I wasn't that influenced by Reps or Dems. The whitewater scandal was the very first blip on the radar sceen for me and then the huge deal with the affair that he had with the intern in the Whitehouse. That's what did it for me. I was so pissed when this happened. He should have been tossed out of office for that shit. That's when me and the wife started voting, the very next election starting with Bush.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:35 am

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Memorex wrote:Big long post I just wrote and deleted because, frankly, who gives a shit?


Yeah, Why be concerned about the deaths of those who gave their lives to serve and protect our country. No big deal. This is just one of the reasons that our government gets away with the lies and deceit surrounding such matters. At times I feel that we don't deserve people putting themselves at risk so that we can be protected and prosper.


That's precisely why so many vets come home and become fed up with how they are treated in the civilian world by some of the people they risked their lives to protect. But as I mentioned it years ago on this site, when I joined I knew that I would be risking my life for everyone, even the fuckers that don't give a shit about America. That's just part of the deal I guess.


I would like to thank you for serving our country. I have huge respect for anyone that is willing to make that kind of sacrifice. It's truly a shame how some treat our veterans and how our government has failed in some ways to take care of them after what they sacrificed to serve and protect this country.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:46 am

At a job I was at 12 years ago, on Veterans day, I wrote on my daily board next to my office door: "Proud to be An American Veteran of Foreign War". This was before it was an observed day off at the company where I work. Some of the co-workers complained about it to my superiors. My superiors called me in a meeting and said I had a choice, either prove that I'm a veteran of Foreign War like the board says or get written up. That's what to expect from a state that enforces the "at will" employment practices. They had little to nothing to say when I produced my original DD-214 the very next day.
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Postby Behshad » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:16 am

Boomchild wrote:
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Boomchild wrote:
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Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


FOUR AMERICAN government representatives DEAD and it is not clear what exactly happened to the extent that an investigation committee is opened up because it seems the people involved can't get the story straight. One of the DEAD an ambassador who in effect represents the President abroad. We have a President that would rather go on with a campaign party instead of putting his focus on an attack of a U.S. government installation located in a "hot bed" area of unrest and terrorist attacks. Who publicly states that the safety of U.S. citizens at home and abroad is one of his top priorities. Obama tells the public that the attacks were due to a pathic anti-islamic Youtube video which has now been shown to be a blatant lie as to the cause. I would hope that if one of the victims of this event was one of your family members you wouldn't think questioning the situation and asking for details and answers as to why there is conflicting information isn't a waste a of time. Whether someone is an Obama supporter or not they are U.S. citizens who's taxes pay the salaries of those involved as well as for the infrastructure that gives them the ability to do what they do. Last time I checked this is a country with a Constitution that states the we the citizens tell the government what it can and cannot do. Which give the citizens the right to question what it is doing and what exactly happened when things go wrong. Not to mention that we have heard nothing as to what they are doing to get to the bottom of who is responsible for the attacks.


FOUR AMERICAN government represntative DEAD, but the only reason it is a big concern of yours is because of the media and how it was all blown way out of proportion ONLY because it happened right before election. This wouldnt have made such huge news if it would have happened a year ago, or a year from now.
Much like all those government represenatives that were killed during various attacks prior to Obama's presidency.
This isnt blaming Bush for "things going wrong". Its poitning out the facts to you that when so many other americans died during his term, it never saw the light of the news in the same way the Benghazi attacks did.
We have been targeted and attacked by terrorists for decades now. And we have been told lies by our government about many of these terrorist attacks. But the Benghazi is getting so much attention (mainly by Obama-haters) only and only because it happened around election time.


I can't speak for others commenting on this but, the media is NOT the reason this is a big concern to me. It's that Americans that are serving our country are dead and from accounts of the situation it appears those in charge of protecting their lives messed up and instead of telling the truth as to their failure to do so they are trying to cover it up. I never said that this has only happened with this administration or the deaths of other Americans serving and protecting our country is any less tragic or does not deserve the same kind of attention. There all tragic and the government has the responsibility to tell it's citizens the truth as to what occurred. This applies to ALL administrations past, present and future. Regardless of their party affiliation. Your exactly right that we have been told lies by our government with regards to issues like this many times before. The problem is we keep letting them do it. This is a two way street both political parties are guilty of things such as this.


You are still going by what the media is feeding you and no facts about what happened in benghazi. You can do so much to prevent attacks from terrorists, but when youre in a country like Libya or Iraq or Syria etc, you are at risk . We can not turn back time to bring them back to life but we sure can try to work more on security to try to minimize the casualties. Its basically the same as one of these crazy people going in a school or mall and start shooting people. We can go back and try to figure out why it happened and how it could have been avoided, but at the end of the day , there are no real answers.

Maybe they are trying to cover something up. But we dont know that till we have all the facts. The only reason people are so much more interested in this case IS because of the timing of it.
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Postby Memorex » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:20 am

Boomchild wrote:
Memorex wrote:Big long post I just wrote and deleted because, frankly, who gives a shit?


Yeah, Why be concerned about the deaths of those who gave their lives to serve and protect our country. No big deal. This is just one of the reasons that our government gets away with the lies and deceit surrounding such matters. At times I feel that we don't deserve people putting themselves at risk so that we can be protected and prosper.


I'm with you. My point is we can scream from the rooftops and people who are on one team won't care. You can't do anything here to make someone care because it's more important that their team be protected than be held accountable for lying flat out to the American public. And next time, when it's a Republican lying, all we'll here from one side is how horrible it is and the other side will act like it's no big deal. So why bother?
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Postby Behshad » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:26 am

Memorex wrote:
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Memorex wrote:Big long post I just wrote and deleted because, frankly, who gives a shit?


Yeah, Why be concerned about the deaths of those who gave their lives to serve and protect our country. No big deal. This is just one of the reasons that our government gets away with the lies and deceit surrounding such matters. At times I feel that we don't deserve people putting themselves at risk so that we can be protected and prosper.


I'm with you. My point is we can scream from the rooftops and people who are on one team won't care. You can't do anything here to make someone care because it's more important that their team be protected than be held accountable for lying flat out to the American public. And next time, when it's a Republican lying, all we'll here from one side is how horrible it is and the other side will act like it's no big deal. So why bother?


Again this isnt about teams or who cares or not. We dont know all the facts , but most people (not all) who are all of a sudden so interested in the death of the four Americans , are mainly interested because of the huge attention it got due to its timing. Do you remember any of the terrorist attacks on our embassies between 1980-2010 ? Do you know how many people were killed? How security was handled? Who was responsible ? What went wrong?
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Postby Monker » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:41 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


Pot calling the kettle black again Monker?


Nope, I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

Well, accept Ancient Aliens and Steve Perry. They can be blamed for most anything...so much so that I think Perry IS an alien. But, that's just my theory.
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Postby Monker » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:42 am

Boomchild wrote:
Rick wrote:
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slucero wrote:History repeats itself...

This will end up just like Iran Contra... where everyone convicted gets vacated sentences or Presidential pardons..


That could be possible. However, if the true facts of how this situation was handled it could open up the eyes of the public at how Obama deals and responds to events like this. It could show a weakness from inexperience he has with such matters. If so, hopefully from the pressure of this being exposed he won't make this type of mistake again. Will see.


You mean, kinda like how Bush deals with things on his own soil, like Katrina? That kinda thing? Just curious. You clenched assed Republicans grasp at anything. Shut the fuck up and let the man govern. Oh, and by the way, tell your clenched assed congress the same thing.


Yeah, that kind of thing. Where did I say that I was a Republican??? Where did I say anything supportive of the Bush Administration? You assume too much. I guess that's the standard weapon in the Obama supporter arsenal, "When all else fails, mention Bush". LOL Sure, it's only Republicans that are critical of Obama and his policies and actions. That's a realistic viewpoint. People get their panties in a bunch and start spouting 4 letter words when you question Obama, "Mr. Hope and Change", "The Messiah" that's going to save us all and give everyone presents like Santa Claus. Would it be more appropriate to say BarackoClaus? Sorry but, the cracks have already begun to show in Obama's handy work. Oh well... back to a positive mind set, YES WE CAN CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN, YES WE CAN CAN! HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE AND CHANGE CHANGE! OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA Do IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA DO IT, OBAMA IS GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD! Feel better now???


Wow, a psychotic episode from a anti-Obama person...how Limbaugh of you.
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Postby Monker » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:46 am

Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Behshad wrote: What makes this so much worse thanall the attacks on our embassies during Bush's term ?


It's a big deal because it appears that the Obama administration has not been straight forward with the public about it.


So, it is a big deal because it "appears" it should be....not because it IS.

What appears to me is people spend way too much time with conspiracy theories and making this way more complicated then: The White House and the State Department had a disconnect and they both fucked in dealing with the American people.

Most of the rest of what you said has conflicting stories in the media. People believe what they WANT to believe. Frankly, most of the people who are even paying attention are anti-Obama partisans anyway.

IMO, the entire thing has become a media fiasco and waste of time


FOUR AMERICAN government representatives DEAD and it is not clear what exactly happened to the extent that an investigation committee is opened up because it seems the people involved can't get the story straight. One of the DEAD an ambassador who in effect represents the President abroad. We have a President that would rather go on with a campaign party instead of putting his focus on an attack of a U.S. government installation located in a "hot bed" area of unrest and terrorist attacks. Who publicly states that the safety of U.S. citizens at home and abroad is one of his top priorities. Obama tells the public that the attacks were due to a pathic anti-islamic Youtube video which has now been shown to be a blatant lie as to the cause. I would hope that if one of the victims of this event was one of your family members you wouldn't think questioning the situation and asking for details and answers as to why there is conflicting information isn't a waste a of time. Whether someone is an Obama supporter or not they are U.S. citizens who's taxes pay the salaries of those involved as well as for the infrastructure that gives them the ability to do what they do. Last time I checked this is a country with a Constitution that states the we the citizens tell the government what it can and cannot do. Which give the citizens the right to question what it is doing and what exactly happened when things go wrong. Not to mention that we have heard nothing as to what they are doing to get to the bottom of who is responsible for the attacks.


Blah, blah, blah....go call Sean Hannity.

This was blown out of proportion. I said that months ago. Nobody cares except those with an anti-Obama agenda, or conservative talk shows and fake news shows that need ratings.
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