President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[slucero]

Sen. Rand Paul took to the floor of the U.S. Senate just before noon Wednesday and vowed to stay there “at length” in order to filibuster John O. Brennan, whom President Obama has nominated to be the next CIA director.

Mr. Paul, Kentucky Republican, has said he will hold up the nomination until he gets more information about the U.S. drone execution program, which has become a major sore point for many lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

“I will speak today until the president responds and says, ‘No, we won’t kill Americans in cafes. No, we won’t kill you at home at night,’” Mr. Paul said early on in the filibuster, which began at 11:47 a.m. and by early afternoon showed no signs of slowing down.


http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

[Memorex]

Sen. Rand Paul took to the floor of the U.S. Senate just before noon Wednesday and vowed to stay there “at length” in order to filibuster John O. Brennan, whom President Obama has nominated to be the next CIA director.

Mr. Paul, Kentucky Republican, has said he will hold up the nomination until he gets more information about the U.S. drone execution program, which has become a major sore point for many lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

“I will speak today until the president responds and says, ‘No, we won’t kill Americans in cafes. No, we won’t kill you at home at night,’” Mr. Paul said early on in the filibuster, which began at 11:47 a.m. and by early afternoon showed no signs of slowing down.


http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

He better be careful or he may be a test case for a drone strike.

[slucero]

Sen. Rand Paul took to the floor of the U.S. Senate just before noon Wednesday and vowed to stay there “at length” in order to filibuster John O. Brennan, whom President Obama has nominated to be the next CIA director.

Mr. Paul, Kentucky Republican, has said he will hold up the nomination until he gets more information about the U.S. drone execution program, which has become a major sore point for many lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

“I will speak today until the president responds and says, ‘No, we won’t kill Americans in cafes. No, we won’t kill you at home at night,’” Mr. Paul said early on in the filibuster, which began at 11:47 a.m. and by early afternoon showed no signs of slowing down.


http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

He better be careful or he may be a test case for a drone strike.

lol...


Holder and others are arguing that the authority only applies to imminent threats, like Al Queda... but,

The Holder finding is that the President dos not need the threat of "imminence" to authorize the use of lethal force, via drone, in the USA. In fact. the Holder finding not only says the President does not need imminence, it also does not define any parameters at all regarding when lethal force can be used. None.

It's in the gawdam document: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se...hite_Paper.pdf

It simply gives the President the right to preemptively use lethal force in the USA whenever he wants, and that is a violation of the 5th Amendment.


Something else that any legal gun owner, or cell phone user should be a bit concerned about...

DHS built domestic surveillance tech into Predator drones
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57572 ... or-drones/

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has customized its Predator drones, originally built for overseas military operations, to carry out at-home surveillance tasks that have civil libertarians worried: identifying civilians carrying guns and tracking their cell phones, government documents show.

The documents provide more details about the surveillance capabilities of the department's unmanned Predator B drones, which are primarily used to patrol the United States' northern and southern borders but have been pressed into service on behalf of a growing number of law enforcement agencies including the FBI, the Secret Service, the Texas Rangers, and local police.

Homeland Security's specifications for its drones, built by San Diego-based General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, say they "shall be capable of identifying a standing human being at night as likely armed or not," meaning carrying a shotgun or rifle. They also specify "signals interception" technology that can capture communications in the frequency ranges used by mobile phones, and "direction finding" technology that can identify the locations of mobile devices or two-way radios.

"I am very concerned that this technology will be used against law-abiding American firearms owners," says Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation. "This could violate Fourth Amendment rights as well as Second Amendment rights."

This shit is so "off the reservation" that it's silly. It's literally the same kinda shit that not so long ago we'd hear liberals condemn as actions of neo-con Republicans.


Yet this is being done by a Democratic administration...

[The Sushi Hunter]

The thing to worry about in regards to the government drone stikes on American citizens on American soil is more what the criteria will be on when such attacks are authorized. Right now the government will outline specific criteria, but the criteria shall change down the road to something else such as "unidentified guy pissing up against a tree at night", or "a few unidentified individuals gathered in the park", etc. Big question, what's next?

[slucero]

The thing to worry about in regards to the government drone stikes on American citizens on American soil is more what the criteria will be on when such attacks are authorized. Right now the government will outline specific criteria, but the criteria shall change down the road to something else such as "unidentified guy pissing up against a tree at night", or "a few unidentified individuals gathered in the park", etc. Big question, what's next?

actually the DOJ memo clearly states there is no need for clarity regarding criteria.. it's quite literally up to the President to determine in the moment.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The thing to worry about in regards to the government drone stikes on American citizens on American soil is more what the criteria will be on when such attacks are authorized. Right now the government will outline specific criteria, but the criteria shall change down the road to something else such as "unidentified guy pissing up against a tree at night", or "a few unidentified individuals gathered in the park", etc. Big question, what's next?

actually the DOJ memo clearly states there is no need for clarity regarding criteria.. it's quite literally up to the President to determine in the moment.

That should make it quite interesting. Good thing this wasn't happening during the time Clinton was in office. Monica would have been drone struck before the stain on the blue dress was discovered.

[steveo777]

"Under capitalism, it is the rich who become powerful. Under communism, it is the powerful who become rich."

I'm a pretty tough dude and have a tendency to be intimidating in real life. I know this because when I walk into a room all my wife's friend's eyes hit the ground or they suddenly have to leave. I make them uncomfortable by my presence, so I may still get to become rich, if we become communists.

[Don]

"Under capitalism, it is the rich who become powerful. Under communism, it is the powerful who become rich."

I'm a pretty tough dude and have a tendency to be intimidating in real life. I know this because when I walk into a room all my wife's friend's eyes hit the ground or they suddenly have to leave. I make them uncomfortable by my presence, so I may still get to become rich, if we become communists.

They're all Filipina's right? I get that too but it's usually because I'm cupping a bit of tit and what not.

[steveo777]

"Under capitalism, it is the rich who become powerful. Under communism, it is the powerful who become rich."

I'm a pretty tough dude and have a tendency to be intimidating in real life. I know this because when I walk into a room all my wife's friend's eyes hit the ground or they suddenly have to leave. I make them uncomfortable by my presence, so I may still get to become rich, if we become communists.

There all Filipino's right?

Yes.....you got me there!

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

The thing to worry about in regards to the government drone stikes on American citizens on American soil is more what the criteria will be on when such attacks are authorized. Right now the government will outline specific criteria, but the criteria shall change down the road to something else such as "unidentified guy pissing up against a tree at night", or "a few unidentified individuals gathered in the park", etc. Big question, what's next?

actually the DOJ memo clearly states there is no need for clarity regarding criteria.. it's quite literally up to the President to determine in the moment.

the biggest one to worry about is bloomberg, hes gonna buy one of these birdies, paint it up on NY Yankees pinstripes and fly it around zapping dudes with headphones and 24 oz drinks. now to be fair they will try only to aim at your Big Gulp cup, but if one of them drone techs has just been using the drone to spy on his wife ducking into a Manhattan hotel for a bit of big boom boom with some dude that is not him - or perhaps has a sugar rush from his own clandestine big gulp and has the jitters, Kyrie elaison !
If you got a big gulp and headphones or you better keep an eye up in the sky!

I mean this guys is fucked, no way is he gonna out run anything !

[slucero]

HAHAHA!

[The Sushi Hunter]

"Under capitalism, it is the rich who become powerful. Under communism, it is the powerful who become rich."

I'm a pretty tough dude and have a tendency to be intimidating in real life. I know this because when I walk into a room all my wife's friend's eyes hit the ground or they suddenly have to leave. I make them uncomfortable by my presence, so I may still get to become rich, if we become communists.

They probably do that because if they give you any eye contact, your wife will go ballistic on them thinking they are flirting or trying to move in on her property. Trust me......been there done that....you do know I've lived in the Philippines before, back when it was common practice for chicks to mark their property with kiss marks to warn other chicks this property has an owner and fair warning that they can and will be fucked up if they try and swoop in on it.

Filipina's fighting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-t4nd01RMY

[Memorex]

Somebody should start a thread called "What did Obama do Today?" I've never seen a president do so little and be so far removed from negotiations and meetings, etc. Somebody recently said he is lazy. Every day, I think, OK, we have all these problems and no leaders. It sucks.

[slucero]

You just can't make this shit up... (I figured FF would be all over this)

Mark E. Kelly, gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an "assault weapon," he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.

Kelly reportedly bought the AR-15 and a 1911-style semi-automatic pistol at Diamondback Police Supply in Tucson, Arizona.

Days after making the purchases, Kelly wrote on Facebook:

I just had a background check a few days ago when I went to my local gun store to buy a .45. As I was leaving, I noticed a used AR-15. Bought that too. Even to buy an assault weapon, the background check only takes a matter of minutes. I don't have possession of it yet but I'll be turning it over to the Tucson PD when I do.

In February, Kelly told Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace that lawmakers need to address "assault weapons." He said the purpose of an "assault weapon" is "to kill a lot of people very quickly," and he lamented that such products were "too readily available."





Kelly has not commented on whether he will also return the .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol he purchased.

lmao....

[Boomchild]

Somebody should start a thread called "What did Obama do Today?" I've never seen a president do so little and be so far removed from negotiations and meetings, etc. Somebody recently said he is lazy. Every day, I think, OK, we have all these problems and no leaders. It sucks.

Some commentators have said that he gives this appearance on purpose. It makes it look like he is not governing but fighting against the bad things that are happening. Which are actually being caused by his administrative actions. Notice how he has been flying around the country making speeches about things (i.e. Fiscal Cliff, Sequester) like we are still running an election. This is all done on purpose to deflect the blame away from him. It's been very effective for the most part.

[slucero]

LMAO....

Senate Dem budget includes nearly $1 trillion in new taxes
By Erik Wasson - 03/12/13 01:00 PM ET

The first budget from Senate Democrats in four years includes nearly $1 trillion in new taxes but would not balance the budget.

The blueprint unveiled by Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray (D-Wash.) on Tuesday to her Democratic colleagues would also turn off the next nine years of the sequester and replace those spending cuts with a 50-50 mix of tax increases and spending cuts.

The budget would dedicate $100 billion to economic stimulus in the form of infrastructure spending and job training.

Murray argues that her budget cuts $1.85 trillion from deficits over 10 years. But once the sequester cuts are turned off, Murray’s budget appears to reduce deficits by about $800 billion, using the Congressional Budget Office’s baseline. The Murray budget does not contain net spending cuts with the sequester turned off.

The details of Murray’s budget came hours after House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) released his budget, which reduces tax rates and slashes spending much more deeply that Murray’s budget.

The Ryan budget would balance in 10 years without raising taxes and by reducing spending over the next decade by $5.7 trillion compared to the CBO baseline.

While Ryan’s budget would reduce the highest tax rate from 39.6 percent to 25 percent, providing a significant tax cut to the wealthiest households, Murray’s budget would raise $975 billion in tax revenue by closing corporate and individual tax loopholes.

More details on the tax plan were expected Wednesday when the committee begins its formal markup of the budget.

Committee Ranking Member Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) said based on the reported details, Murray’s budget increases taxes to pay for more federal spending.

“If the Senate Majority’s budget actually contains these accounting tricks, it would increase spending above already massive projections for spending growth. In other words, Senate Democrats would be proposing a tax hike to fuel even more wasteful government spending,” Sessions said.

“Can it really be this is all they have developed after four years of not producing a plan? If that it is so, no wonder why they won’t make their proposal public until after the committee meets.”

Murray’s budget also will contain reconciliation instructions on tax reform, a move that could allow the budget, which cannot be filibustered in the Senate, to become the legislative vehicle for a tax reform bill. This would also allow a tax bill to move through the Senate under a majority vote, since reconciliation bills cannot be filibustered.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) has opposed including the instructions in the budget, arguing it would tie his hands in tax reform.

The $975 billion in spending cuts include $240 billion in savings from the end of the Afghanistan war and $242 billion in reduced interest payments, according to a source.

Republicans have criticized Democrats in the past for counting these as spending cuts, and Ryan made a point in his budget of producing a different baseline that did not count CBO’s projected savings from war and disaster spending.

The Murray budget will include $493 billion in other spending cuts, including $275 billion in health savings that do not cut entitlement benefits, a source said.

Ryan’s budget, in contrast, includes a Medicare reform proposal that would give future beneficiaries the option of getting subsidies to buy private insurance, which would cut the program’s costs.

Murray is presenting her budget as addressing weak economic growth first and foremost, and as protecting Medicare in contrast to the House GOP plan, which she calls a voucher system.

Murray argues that when $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction from the last Congress are counted, her budget presents the kind of $4 trillion balanced deficit reduction plan called for by Obama fiscal commission chairmen Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) and former White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles.

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[The Sushi Hunter]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Applying for benefits under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul could be as daunting as doing your taxes.

The government's draft application is now on the Internet.

It runs 15 pages for a three-person family. The online version has 21 steps, some with added questions.

At least three major federal agencies, including the IRS, will scrutinize your application.

That's just the first part of the process, which lets you know if you qualify for financial help.

You'd still have to pick a health plan.

Some fear that consumers will be overwhelmed and give up. Administration officials say the application form is being refined.

Still, the idea that picking a health insurance plan could be as simple as shopping on the Internet is starting to look like wishful thinking.

And remember what I had said on page 572 of this thread?

refresher:

Yeah, like I said, the government will assess how much each person/household should pay in healthcare per year. If you shop around and get it cheaper than what the government has assessed, you will owe the difference to the government. They will have it all broken down by income, just like they do now with Fed and State taxes. The only people who this won't effect are the immigrants and non-motivated to work individuals.

Basically there will be three taxes you have to do per year, Fed, state, and the healthcare. Think you can shop around and save a few bucks on healthcare? Wrong, you'll be expected to pay x amount per year and if your lucky and got healthcare cheaper than what the government thinks you should be paying, you'll be owning the difference to the government in the form of the "penalty". And the government can up the amount that they think you should pay just like they do with Fed and State taxes now.

I personally know someone who works for the IRS and I know others who are tax consultants. I get my opinion based on things I've heard them each talking about.

[The Sushi Hunter]

When are the American-born hard working people going to wake up and realize that all they are doing is working to pay the expenses of the others who don't want to work or are not American born?

[Behshad]

Friday, March 15, 2013

Chelsea Clinton Buying $10 Million NYC Apartment

File under: It's a wonderful world for children of elitists and crooked politicians,

Chelsea Clinton is buying a $10.5 million spread right across the street from Madison Square Park, reports NyPo. The apartment is 5,000 square feet and is located in the Whitman.

The unit at 21 E. 26th St. is four bedrooms, with 6 1/2 bathrooms, and the family room has a full view of the park.

The five-story building has one apartment per floor, and a key-locked elevator.

Chelsea, 33, and her husband Marc Mezvinsky, 35, according to NyPo, “live in the neighborhood and found the building on their own while out walking.”

Well, at least it doesn't have a car elevator...

[The Sushi Hunter]

Friday, March 15, 2013

Chelsea Clinton Buying $10 Million NYC Apartment

File under: It's a wonderful world for children of elitists and crooked politicians,

Chelsea Clinton is buying a $10.5 million spread right across the street from Madison Square Park, reports NyPo. The apartment is 5,000 square feet and is located in the Whitman.

The unit at 21 E. 26th St. is four bedrooms, with 6 1/2 bathrooms, and the family room has a full view of the park.

The five-story building has one apartment per floor, and a key-locked elevator.

Chelsea, 33, and her husband Marc Mezvinsky, 35, according to NyPo, “live in the neighborhood and found the building on their own while out walking.”

Well, at least it doesn't have a car elevator...

Where were you and your cry baby pix when Bush won both elections?

[Behshad]

Friday, March 15, 2013

Chelsea Clinton Buying $10 Million NYC Apartment

File under: It's a wonderful world for children of elitists and crooked politicians,

Chelsea Clinton is buying a $10.5 million spread right across the street from Madison Square Park, reports NyPo. The apartment is 5,000 square feet and is located in the Whitman.

The unit at 21 E. 26th St. is four bedrooms, with 6 1/2 bathrooms, and the family room has a full view of the park.

The five-story building has one apartment per floor, and a key-locked elevator.

Chelsea, 33, and her husband Marc Mezvinsky, 35, according to NyPo, “live in the neighborhood and found the building on their own while out walking.”

Well, at least it doesn't have a car elevator...

Where were you and your cry baby pix when Bush won both elections?

As always you make a lot of sense

[Boomchild]

Friday, March 15, 2013

Chelsea Clinton Buying $10 Million NYC Apartment

File under: It's a wonderful world for children of elitists and crooked politicians,

Chelsea Clinton is buying a $10.5 million spread right across the street from Madison Square Park, reports NyPo. The apartment is 5,000 square feet and is located in the Whitman.

The unit at 21 E. 26th St. is four bedrooms, with 6 1/2 bathrooms, and the family room has a full view of the park.

The five-story building has one apartment per floor, and a key-locked elevator.

Chelsea, 33, and her husband Marc Mezvinsky, 35, according to NyPo, “live in the neighborhood and found the building on their own while out walking.”

Well, at least it doesn't have a car elevator...

Wonder if B.O. asked Bill if she's paying her "fair share" in taxes?

[Memorex]

The article is all well and good, but as with most reporting today it lacks some data - like, uh - why? Why is the cost of a claim going up in California and down in Massachusetts?

It's never been a secret that the cost of overall care would go up and we'd all be paying more for less. But I always saw it as a result of more people jamming the insurance roles without paying their share while the middle and upper class cover it all. But what is it about it that cause an actual single claim to rise? Or are they really one in the same? Higher cost to cover the rest, not just in premiums but the actual visit and care.

[slucero]

well one thing it clearly shows is that the ACA does not do what the President clearly said it would do.. lower costs...

So.. either he was:

1. lying... or

2. someone lied to him when the idea was sold to him....



I pick #1.

[steveo777]

well one thing it clearly shows is that the ACA does not do what the President clearly said it would do.. lower costs...

So.. either he was:

1. lying... or

2. someone lied to him when the idea was sold to him....



I pick #1.

A politician would never say anything they didn't mean for the sake of getting elected. No sirree, it could never happen in this great country of ours!

[Boomchild]

well one thing it clearly shows is that the ACA does not do what the President clearly said it would do.. lower costs...

So.. either he was:

1. lying... or

2. someone lied to him when the idea was sold to him....



I pick #1.

I pick #1 also. I looked at as just the first step in what B.O. really wants, healthcare run totally by the government.

[Memorex]

What I don't understand is the people that are perfectly good at basic math and have a ton of intelligence, but somehow believe in this magical way of doing things. So some feel we should spend endless money on wars and don't get it. And other think we should pay for everyone's healthcare and don't get it. It's a very odd world.

[steveo777]

What I don't understand is the people that are perfectly good at basic math and have a ton of intelligence, but somehow believe in this magical way of doing things. So some feel we should spend endless money on wars and don't get it. And other think we should pay for everyone's healthcare and don't get it. It's a very odd world.

When you have a government that can be bought by lobbyists and interest groups you will have all sanity fly out the window. Yeah, it's lke that.

[Memorex]

What I don't understand is the people that are perfectly good at basic math and have a ton of intelligence, but somehow believe in this magical way of doing things. So some feel we should spend endless money on wars and don't get it. And other think we should pay for everyone's healthcare and don't get it. It's a very odd world.

When you have a government that can be bought by lobbyists and interest groups you will have all sanity fly out the window. Yeah, it's lke that.

I get that completely, but why are people so blind to it all. Scary.

[slucero]

The day America was warned about the impending growth of lobbyists...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY