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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:02 pm

Memorex wrote:You think there is only 500,000 illegal immigrants? I'd say that's a scooch off.

How many does it take to drive wages down?



It's your reading comprehension is a skooch off.. read what I posted... that is an annual immigration RATE... not the TOTAL amount of illegals in the country..


Boomchild wrote:If remember correctly, the government has estimated that number of illegals in the US is currently 11 million. Does anyone believe that? I don't. I believe it's much higher. How can they really project a accurate number when these people are "in the shadows" and ICE having their hands tied on going after and handling illegals?


For the sake of your assumption.. lets assume the total number of illegals in the country is 20 Million.. that's STILL less than 10% of the total population.. And only HALF of the population is the actual workforce.. (150 Million).... That's 10 Million illegal immigrants mowing lawns, working at McDonalds, not building houses right now (because that industry is DEAD), NOT working the fields (because most reports indicate they are going/staying home!). Yea.. that's what's driving down wages, KILLING the economy and the country.. Jesus H Christ.. get a fucking CLUE.

Before you make assumptions about shit like this, do yourself a favor and get educated on the topic. Because all you are doing is reinforcing wrong attitudes & racial stereotypes that simply are not factually CORRECT. If you aren't willing to make sure your opinions are factually supportable, by doing your own fucking homework.. then the problem is you,and you should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating bad information.

Just looking at the demographics of welfare will tell you what you need to know.... There are currently 54 Million people receive welfare... and largest recipient of welfare is single, white women with children... SURPRISE! Next in line - black Americans....SURPRISE! Hispanics (that's the "illegals" yer referring to right?) comprise less than 15% of those receiving aid....

SURPRISE!

It's still ludicrous to blame what ails this country on what amounts to less than 10% of the population.. because when you simply THINK about it, kicking all of them out still won't make a fucking DENT in:
  • Fixing the economy
  • Solving the spending problem in Washington
  • Solving the entitlement problem in Washington
  • Solving the legislative problem in Washington

Or the MAIN problem... voter/citizen apathy, and apparently (and more importantly) - illiteracy.

We're the U.S.A... and we're supposed to be SMARTER than this.. and this is why we're FUCKED... because we have a populace that no longer THINKS FOR THEMSELVES.. and instead simply believes what they are told and BLAMES.

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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:50 pm

I think the point is that there are a lot of issues causing the problem. One of them is in fact illegal immigrants working for cheaper dollars. I don't think there is one ounce of evidence that big business wants the illegals for anything other than their cost. That's just an indisputable fact and it's also a fact that small percentages (although I wouldn't say these percentages are anywhere near small) can affect anything negatively, or positively. So throwing out things like 10% - that's actually a very big number.

As an example, the fake unemployment number of 7.whogivesashit is very, very high. 10% is pretty extreme.

The fact is, there should not be any illegal workers or any illegals on welfare. Either come up with a proper plan to make them legal or secure the border or something.

To minimize the argument by acting like the numbers are small when they are in fact huge is silly. No one in their right mind is going to say oh, 10%, cool. Nothing to see here. No one with a brain anyway. So don't try and minimize what is a very significant problem.

But it is only part of the problem. No good policies for job creation is hurting. Higher tax rates hurt. These policies of give everyone a little something for nothing is hurting. And the two parties spending our money as if the people don't matter sure as hell doesn't help.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:44 pm

Memorex wrote:I think the point is that there are a lot of issues causing the problem. One of them is in fact illegal immigrants working for cheaper dollars. I don't think there is one ounce of evidence that big business wants the illegals for anything other than their cost. That's just an indisputable fact and it's also a fact that small percentages (although I wouldn't say these percentages are anywhere near small) can affect anything negatively, or positively. So throwing out things like 10% - that's actually a very big number.


It's simply naive to think that business won't always chase a lower cost of labor, anyone who's ever taken a business class knows this... so I'm not sure what your point is here.

The monetary impact that the illegals comprise in the economy, on a percentage basis, is the point, because that's the only way one can substantiate any position that they do have impact. This is what people who buy into the myopia that "illegals caused this" are failing to understand, because they simply refuse to do the homework.

On the income side they are low wage or cash basis = negligible economic impact.
On the expenditure side their low income = negligible economic impact.
On the aid side I've already stated they comprise a small percentage of the total.. and considering your point that "illegals don't get aid" makes their impact even MORE negligible.

So yea.. 10% in this case is not significant.


Memorex wrote:As an example, the fake unemployment number of 7.whogivesashit is very, very high. 10% is pretty extreme.


When one calculates the U-3 using the Clinton era methodology (which I do in Excel because the current calculation is bunk).. the current U-3 is 13.9% and the U-6 is 20.9% (Depression era unemployment was 25%) so yer a bit off... doing the math will also reflect that 3 times the people have left the workforce than there have been jobs created.. but those folks are no longer counted in the U-6 numbers. So the number is more like 20 million..


Memorex wrote:The fact is, there should not be any illegal workers or any illegals on welfare. Either come up with a proper plan to make them legal or secure the border or something.


We've had something like 7 immigration reform acts in our history.. maybe its not the "plan" than that's the problem.. more likely the implementation/enforcement.

Memorex wrote:To minimize the argument by acting like the numbers are small when they are in fact huge is silly. No one in their right mind is going to say oh, 10%, cool. Nothing to see here. No one with a brain anyway. So don't try and minimize what is a very significant problem.


Immigration (legal and/or illegal) is only significant if you can prove it materially impacts anything in the size and scope you imply. So far you have not recited one piece of empirical data to prove so. All you stated is opinion, which while you are entitled to have, but if not factually supported is simply what? Guessing?

Just because you say it is so.. does not make it so.

Show me the data.

Memorex wrote:But it is only part of the problem. No good policies for job creation is hurting. Higher tax rates hurt. These policies of give everyone a little something for nothing is hurting. And the two parties spending our money as if the people don't matter sure as hell doesn't help.


This I agree with. And it has ZERO to do with immigration, and more to do with the impotence of our country.

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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:08 pm

slucero wrote:
Boomchild wrote:If remember correctly, the government has estimated that number of illegals in the US is currently 11 million. Does anyone believe that? I don't. I believe it's much higher. How can they really project a accurate number when these people are "in the shadows" and ICE having their hands tied on going after and handling illegals?


For the sake of your assumption.. lets assume the total number of illegals in the country is 20 Million.. that's STILL less than 10% of the total population.. And only HALF of the population is the actual workforce.. (150 Million).... That's 10 Million illegal immigrants mowing lawns, working at McDonalds, not building houses right now (because that industry is DEAD), NOT working the fields (because most reports indicate they are going/staying home!). Yea.. that's what's driving down wages, KILLING the economy and the country.. Jesus H Christ.. get a fucking CLUE.

Before you make assumptions about shit like this, do yourself a favor and get educated on the topic. Because all you are doing is reinforcing wrong attitudes & racial stereotypes that simply are not factually CORRECT. If you aren't willing to make sure your opinions are factually supportable, by doing your own fucking homework.. then the problem is you,and you should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating bad information.

Just looking at the demographics of welfare will tell you what you need to know.... There are currently 54 Million people receive welfare... and largest recipient of welfare is single, white women with children... SURPRISE! Next in line - black Americans....SURPRISE! Hispanics (that's the "illegals" yer referring to right?) comprise less than 15% of those receiving aid....

SURPRISE!

It's still ludicrous to blame what ails this country on what amounts to less than 10% of the population.. because when you simply THINK about it, kicking all of them out still won't make a fucking DENT in:
  • Fixing the economy
  • Solving the spending problem in Washington
  • Solving the entitlement problem in Washington
  • Solving the legislative problem in Washington

Or the MAIN problem... voter/citizen apathy, and apparently (and more importantly) - illiteracy.

We're the U.S.A... and we're supposed to be SMARTER than this.. and this is why we're FUCKED... because we have a populace that no longer THINKS FOR THEMSELVES.. and instead simply believes what they are told and BLAMES.


My comment is not in relation to illegals driving down wages. For me it's about them entering the U.S. illegally and our federal government not protecting and enforcing our border\immigration laws. That's what I blame them for doing. That is exactly what they have done. Our elected officials claim "the system" is broken. It's not the system that is broken, it's the problem of the government not enforcing it. Because they don't want to for a whole host of reasons. Now to top it all off our elected officials want to reward them with legalized status. Also, when speaking on this subject I don't believe I singled out any specific race. There is mix of races entering this country illegally. All I am looking for is for our government to protect our boarders, enforce our immigration laws and properly handle those that have broken it according to the laws already in place. It would at least fix one problem we have.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:16 pm

Boomchild wrote:
My comment is not in relation to illegals driving down wages. For me it's about them entering the U.S. illegally and our federal government not protecting and enforcing our border\immigration laws. That's what I blame them for doing. That is exactly what they have done. Our elected officials claim "the system" is broken. It's not the system that is broken, it's the problem of the government not enforcing it. Because they don't want to for a whole host of reasons. Now to top it all off our elected officials want to reward them with legalized status. Also, when speaking on this subject I don't believe I singled out any specific race. There is mix of races entering this country illegally. All I am looking for is for our government to protect our boarders, enforce our immigration laws and properly handle those that have broken it according to the laws already in place. It would at least fix one problem we have.



I think we all agree on this, that the laws should be enforced...

I also think we all can agree that this "lack of enforcement" this is nothing "new".... and that it has been going on for a long time..

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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:03 pm

slucero wrote:

I think we all agree on this, that the laws should be enforced...

I also think we all can agree that this "lack of enforcement" this is nothing "new".... and that it has been going on for a long time..


It is not something new and cannot be laid just at the feet of the current administration or lawmakers. That said, I don't think past administrations have tied the hands of ICE such as this one has. Such as not allowing agents to detain and process illegals unless they have committed certain types of criminal activities, repeatedly. This country has the resources to properly protect our borders and enforce immigration laws. If we don't, we have a much bigger problem. The way things have gone on this issue I do not expect it to change for the better now or in my life time. I see our elected officials only making it even more attractive for those that are willing to enter the U.S. illegally.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:18 am

To those who think in terms of, "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why should i care if the government monitors me?", here is one of the many answers:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:34 am

Memorex wrote:To those who think in terms of, "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why should i care if the government monitors me?", here is one of the many answers:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook


That's strange, no one's come knocking on my doors yet.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:22 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Memorex wrote:To those who think in terms of, "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why should i care if the government monitors me?", here is one of the many answers:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook


That's strange, no one's come knocking on my doors yet.


Maybe they were there and you just don't know it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:58 am

Memorex wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Memorex wrote:To those who think in terms of, "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why should i care if the government monitors me?", here is one of the many answers:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook


That's strange, no one's come knocking on my doors yet.


Maybe they were there and you just don't know it.


They wouldn't gain anything from just doing that.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby steveo777 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:33 am

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/01 ... k/?on.cnn=

Exclusive: Dozens of CIA operatives on the ground during Benghazi attack

Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency's missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency's workings.

The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:55 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Memorex wrote:To those who think in terms of, "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why should i care if the government monitors me?", here is one of the many answers:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook


That's strange, no one's come knocking on my doors yet.


It's more cost effective to send a armed drone out to take care of you! 8)
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Postby Boomchild » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:58 am

steveo777 wrote:http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/01/exclusive-dozens-of-cia-operatives-on-the-ground-during-benghazi-attack/?on.cnn=

Exclusive: Dozens of CIA operatives on the ground during Benghazi attack

Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency's missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency's workings.

The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress.


Looks like a Nazi SS is well under way in this administration.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:07 pm

Senator Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are putting forth an effort to not fund Obummercare. While this may not kill the whole HCRA, it would hopefully lessen it's negative impact on our health care system. They have setup a website for gathering signatures for a petition to support this effort. If you feel that this health care reform act is a disaster as I do, you may want to take a minute and check the site out and sign the petition if you agree with their efforts. Whether it is successful or not at least you can let your voice be heard in a very easy way.

http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby annie89509 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:30 pm

Memorex wrote:To those who think in terms of, "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why should i care if the government monitors me?", here is one of the many answers:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook

Several things about this incident….

The guy was on work (employer’s) computer…that alone should discredit any “invasion of privacy” thoughts or invoke sympathy (ethically wrong to be doing personal stuff on company time). Everyone knows companies almost always monitor computer usage… their property and their right.

Several facts combined pointed to suspicious behavior, which was worth investigating. Let’s face it, we live in a state of heightened security nowadays. Too many tragic terrorist attacks have jaded our senses.

99 out of 100 visits lead to nothing…that means the 1 does prove to be of significance. If even 1 terrorist attack is thwarted, it’s worth the trouble. Just think of the inconvenience/ hassles innocent, law-abiding citizens have to go through every day at the airports.

Personal Experience: Went through long, tedious security line (bag check). Then, at boarding gate…assembled together like cattle…getting the eagle eye…finger pointed at my chest to go over there and take shoes off (3 of us among 200-or-so got this treatment)…were we allowed to object? to refuse?…nope…swallowed out prides, quietly and promptly, complied. I don’t know about the others, but I felt degraded, demeaned. I wanted to shout at the nitwit: “do I look like a suspicious character?” and ”have you heard of a middle-aged female Asian terrorist, like ever?”

Nope, I’m not too overly concerned about govt. “monitoring” my every online activity, phone call. About the only thing really out of the ordinary in my life is staying up into the wee hours of the night posting on these messageboards … :lol:
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:18 am

But it should not be left to you (or me or anyone else) to say they don't mind. Privacy should be an expectation just being in America. You don't have the right to say this is ok if it infringes on someone else's right to not not feel infringed on. Just because you feel fine with it doesn't mean you should be ok with it. Because our laws are to govern everyone and our rights are for everyone. What happens when the majority of the people say yes, it's ok to lock up middle aged Asian women just because they are Asian? Would that be ok? Oh wait, we can look back in the not to distant past to see what happens when that exact kind of thinking is "ok". Just because people thought it was ok, other people's rights were unjustly taken away. And if it was wrong for people to think that then, then how are you right to think an absolute invasion of privacy is ok now - even if it doesn't affect you? I can't hammer this home enough - you do not have the right to say it's ok just because you don't care. What our government is doing now is 100% not ok.

I too feel extremely violated at the airport. I should not have to sit there and put my belt and shoes on in public just trying to get from point A to point B in this country.

I'd like to know where all the liberals are? They typically save this country from things like this. They used to care about the over-reaching hand of government. They want the government to stay out of their bedrooms, unless of course it's monitoring what they are watching on TV, what the are looking at on the internet, what intimate messages or videos they might be sending to another person, what products they have purchased, who their friends are, etc. Somehow, there has been this huge shift where the left has provided the cover needed for our government to do exactly all the things they fought against for so long. I say shame on them. Shame on them for giving up their principles just to support one man. It's INSANE. It's one of the most dishonest things I've witnessed in life.

As far as the right - you asked for it and you got it - and then some. You bought it all hook line and sinker and now you see what you supported.

To all of you that are saying this is ok - please research and read all the stories of intimidation and invasion that are going on. Open your eyes to how the administration (this one and the last) are using information it gathers to unfairly target their opposition. If you still think it's fine, then my America is not your America and we can kiss it all goodbye.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:01 am

Boomchild wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Memorex wrote:To those who think in terms of, "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why should i care if the government monitors me?", here is one of the many answers:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook


That's strange, no one's come knocking on my doors yet.


It's more cost effective to send a armed drone out to take care of you! 8)


That propaganda article doesn’t say anything about individuals coming and going from your residence without you knowing it and doesn’t say anything about drones. It only claims individuals are disrupting and inconveniencing families in their own home over pressure cookers and backpacks. Again, hasn’t happened to me, anyone I know, or anyone on my street or anyone on anyone else’s street that I know. It’s propaganda people!
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:28 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:That propaganda article doesn’t say anything about individuals coming and going from your residence without you knowing it and doesn’t say anything about drones. It only claims individuals are disrupting and inconveniencing families in their own home over pressure cookers and backpacks. Again, hasn’t happened to me, anyone I know, or anyone on my street or anyone on anyone else’s street that I know. It’s propaganda people!



Kinda sorta like how the government just admitted they spy on Americans, without them knowing about it eh?

Look up the term "slippery slope"....

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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:38 am

slucero wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:That propaganda article doesn’t say anything about individuals coming and going from your residence without you knowing it and doesn’t say anything about drones. It only claims individuals are disrupting and inconveniencing families in their own home over pressure cookers and backpacks. Again, hasn’t happened to me, anyone I know, or anyone on my street or anyone on anyone else’s street that I know. It’s propaganda people!



Kinda sorta like how the government just admitted they spy on Americans, without them knowing about it eh?

Look up the term "slippery slope"....



I'm talking a group of agents knocking down doors because your family has a pressure cooker and backpacks. Paranoid fuckhead.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:39 am

Yup... these are the jobs America needs..


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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:33 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
slucero wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:That propaganda article doesn’t say anything about individuals coming and going from your residence without you knowing it and doesn’t say anything about drones. It only claims individuals are disrupting and inconveniencing families in their own home over pressure cookers and backpacks. Again, hasn’t happened to me, anyone I know, or anyone on my street or anyone on anyone else’s street that I know. It’s propaganda people!



Kinda sorta like how the government just admitted they spy on Americans, without them knowing about it eh?

Look up the term "slippery slope"....



I'm talking a group of agents knocking down doors because your family has a pressure cooker and backpacks. Paranoid fuckhead.


This isn't just about people knocking down your door. It's watching you. Spying on you. Looking into your associations. Tapping your forms of communication. This may not be happening to ordinary Joe blow on a frequent basis yet. But I have done nothing to harm this country and yet they track my every move. They keep records of all my phone calls. They take photographs of my license plate and car as I move about the roads. They track every website I visit, all of which they calculate into a profile. Then they get to decide which profiles are dangerous to this country, like, I don't know, organizations with Freedom or Patriot or Israel in their name. Or a nice family that wants to both cook food and have backpacks, though not necessarily together. Or how about when George W wants to listen in on a Senator that's gaining in popularity by the name of Barrack Obama. If that's ok, then certainly Obama can track all the communication of Limbaugh or Beck. Or how about this - any human that listens to them. They certainly must be enemies of the state.

And the next guy, if he.she are Republican, then anyone that watches MSNBC should surely be audited at a higher rate because they are dangerous to our way of life.

I don't understand that after so many news stories out there of people being harassed, some of you act like there is nothing to see. Talk about blind. People need to wake up. Not sure what we can do about it, but at least call it what it is.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:46 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
slucero wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:That propaganda article doesn’t say anything about individuals coming and going from your residence without you knowing it and doesn’t say anything about drones. It only claims individuals are disrupting and inconveniencing families in their own home over pressure cookers and backpacks. Again, hasn’t happened to me, anyone I know, or anyone on my street or anyone on anyone else’s street that I know. It’s propaganda people!



Kinda sorta like how the government just admitted they spy on Americans, without them knowing about it eh?

Look up the term "slippery slope"....



I'm talking a group of agents knocking down doors because your family has a pressure cooker and backpacks. Paranoid fuckhead.


wow.. Stupid much?

Looking at your posts.. you know where you would have said "agents knocking down doors".... you didn't say anything in that regard.. oh wait.. you did say "knocking ON"... but that isn't "knocking DOWN"...

sorry different meaning altogether.. I guess retarded motherfuckers like you just expect everyone else to know what you mean, even when you don't state it.. right?

You are the one poster on this thread (hell in the forum) who has consistently drawn the ire of both liberals and conservatives alike, for your illiteracy on just about everything...

That makes you the "forum idiot"..



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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:07 am

Slucero and sush i - if you boys wanna make a career out of knocking the socks out of each other im thinkin you might be able to....but please be advised there are only part time jobs available for professional fighters. as a matter of fact theres only part time jobs available anywhere......

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/ ... 20time.jpg

what a jobs report, thanks obamarxcare!
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Postby Rick » Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:23 am

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Rick wrote:
Memorex wrote:If you follow our current path, there is definitely a tipping point where it will take all of the money left over that anyone has to support those that won't work.

I'm not sure how much fraud, waste, and abuse has to be seen by some to realize it's just an impossible scenario, unless you want to end up in a completely socialist environment. And when that happens, it's still something that is not sustainable.

I wonder what the US will look like once all the baby boomers are gone. Maybe with a much smaller population, this will be easier. I don't know. All I know today is that the system is broken. Neither side has any answers. Too many people want something for nothing now. And our health care in this country is about to endure an overall major decline for a lot of people. Hopefully it will be better for some to offset that.


There are a lot of gainfully employed people that qualify for food stamps. The biggest employer in this country is churning out billions in profits each quarter, and can't pay their employees a living wage. Not to mention any benefits. Our whole airline, who used to pay decent wages to it's employees is probably now about 40% outsourced. These outsourcing, labor pool companies pay 1/3 what employees were making before companies like American Airlines, Delta, United and such decided to abrogate labor contracts through the use of bankruptcy. Everyone keeps giving labor unions a black eye, but if you'll notice, the pay disparity problem in this country grows as the labor unions shrink. The biggest mistake everyone made was buying into all of the false propaganda people were being fed by big business about labor unions. Another problem is illegal immigrants. They work for peanuts, which drives down the wages of the legal workforce. The ONLY reason illegal workers are allowed to stay in this country is because big business wants them here for the extremely cheap labor. Then big business screams and cries that they're barely making it. All I can do is shake my head.



wow Rick.. illiterate much?


We're heading towards 3rd world status because our Congress continuously made it easy for business to move American manufacturing jobs to where??? --------------------------------->>>>>> 3rd world countries..


Think about that for a minute.


And seriously, illegal immigration is the "Great cause" of the demise of wages?? Let's examine what you are saying from a factual basis...

From the DHS Yearbook of Immigration Statistics FY '2009:
  • LEGAL immigration: 1.1 Million annually (est),
  • ILLEGAL immigration: 500,000 (est)

The U.S. population is 314 Million people, and growing at 1% a year. That's 3.14 Million vs. 1.7 Million TOTAL immigrants per year.. so according to you, the illegal immigrants, less than 1/2 of 1% of the population.. is affecting wages for everyone..


Think about that for a minute.


The problem in this country is not immigration (legal or illegal) "Driving down wages"... it is our government (CONGRESS) continuously subverting and abrogating the original intent of the Founders and the Framers in our education system, our culture and our society... at the behest of big business....

CLUE: Like Congress letting them source their labor outside of the U.S. without penalty, the consequence of it being more people chasing fewer jobs..... which drives down wages.

So clearly attacking immigrants (legal or illegal) solves none of that.


Stop blaming immigrants (legal or illegal) for what we Americans have brought on ourselves.


I never said illegal immigrants were the problem, but I did say they were part of it. Maybe it's your reading comprehension that is compromised. ;) And I would never blame a legal immigrant for anything. I applaud their efforts to become citizens.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:26 pm

The Sushi Hunter wrote:That propaganda article doesn’t say anything about individuals coming and going from your residence without you knowing it and doesn’t say anything about drones. It only claims individuals are disrupting and inconveniencing families in their own home over pressure cookers and backpacks. Again, hasn’t happened to me, anyone I know, or anyone on my street or anyone on anyone else’s street that I know. It’s propaganda people!


Mmmm, my reply wasn't meant to be serious.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:51 pm

annie89509 wrote:99 out of 100 visits lead to nothing…that means the 1 does prove to be of significance. If even 1 terrorist attack is thwarted, it’s worth the trouble. Just think of the inconvenience/ hassles innocent, law-abiding citizens have to go through every day at the airports.


Sorry, but I just don't agree with this stance of "if it would save us from one attack". The issue is doing massive all inclusive spying\searching that this administration is trying to justify. When you collect and search with such disregard for fitting an actual profile it actually hurts the ability to use the information effectively. This same type of stance has been used to justify changing or amending the 2nd amendment. "If it could just stop one mass shooting". We know from reports that our government has been doing this type of stuff for some time now. How did it help the Boston marathon bombing?
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:38 pm

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I never said illegal immigrants were the problem, but I did say they were part of it. Maybe it's your reading comprehension that is compromised. ;) And I would never blame a legal immigrant for anything. I applaud their efforts to become citizens.



Try re-reading my response again.. you'll find I never said you said immigrants were the "problem" or the sole problem.... it's why my post also touched on Congress..

Maybe then think a bit about your own reading comprehension..

My point was the problem you seem to think they are is statistically insignificant.. and I gave you data to prove it..

All you've done is provide opinion (which you are entitled to)... but it is unsubstantiated, which makes it nothing more than factless opinion. That's all.


I would like to think (and hope) that, after all the misinformation and disinformation we've gotten from the right and the left, and the HELL it has wrought on all of us... that we'd all see the wisdom in opinions that are "Fact based" and not simply blind opinions, based on no fact at all..

That's what its gonna take if we want to rectify anything.
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Postby slucero » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:42 pm

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:Slucero and sush i - if you boys wanna make a career out of knocking the socks out of each other im thinkin you might be able to....but please be advised there are only part time jobs available for professional fighters. as a matter of fact theres only part time jobs available anywhere......

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/ ... 20time.jpg

what a jobs report, thanks obamarxcare!



hey G&T... sometimes Sushi sticks both his feet up his ass.. and needs to be reminded..


saw that report.. And even more telling is that the report showing the majority of those jobs are being taken by folks 55 and older.. so much for the "theory" that boomers are retiring at the rate of 10,000 at day...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-0 ... ot-so-much

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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:49 am

slucero wrote:
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:Slucero and sush i - if you boys wanna make a career out of knocking the socks out of each other im thinkin you might be able to....but please be advised there are only part time jobs available for professional fighters. as a matter of fact theres only part time jobs available anywhere......

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/ ... 20time.jpg

what a jobs report, thanks obamarxcare!



hey G&T... sometimes Sushi sticks both his feet up his ass.. and needs to be reminded..


saw that report.. And even more telling is that the report showing the majority of those jobs are being taken by folks 55 and older.. so much for the "theory" that boomers are retiring at the rate of 10,000 at day...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-0 ... ot-so-much


heh heh, fight on I say .

well the boomers can't retire, they got kids living at home. Feel sorry for the poor middle age folks taking jobs at the local supermarket. Though it might have an upside - if you were a fairly streetwise young looking 55 year old man you might be working along side a 20 year old checkout girl moonlighting whilst studying college. The things that you could teach her would and the feeling of youth you would get in return would be priceless..:-). Christ I can still see some of those checkout girls I worked with in my local supermarket when I was in college in my dreams ! LOL
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:54 am

I wonder if this recent terrorist alert is a bogus, false flag type operation put out by the B.O. administration. It's coming right off the heals of the NSA spying controversy. Could this just be a ploy to try justify what the NSA has been doing?
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