President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[slucero]

I helped blow up a few of those oil rigs back in the first Gulf War. We had to. Iraq's Navy was using them to hide their hover craft and gun boats under. On the first occasion we rolled in on them and ripped those fuckers new assholes with a few MK82's. The second time we dropped a few Mk84's. Oil rig fire was the result. Mind you, these rigs were only out in the gulf, not on land or near the beach. Our task force only took out only two that I know of. I got some really good video footage of it. But this was just far and few in between. When Saddam knew his goose was cooked, he ordered his remaining troops to set fire to as many rigs as possible. Understand and never foreget, it was to Saddam that oil was the only reason for invading Kuwait and going to war with the Americans and their allies, not the other way around.

Like I said.. it was always about oil and control of the Middle East... WMD... the possibility, or the purported use of, is only how continued U.S. involvement is justified....

[The Sushi Hunter]

I helped blow up a few of those oil rigs back in the first Gulf War. We had to. Iraq's Navy was using them to hide their hover craft and gun boats under. On the first occasion we rolled in on them and ripped those fuckers new assholes with a few MK82's. The second time we dropped a few Mk84's. Oil rig fire was the result. Mind you, these rigs were only out in the gulf, not on land or near the beach. Our task force only took out only two that I know of. I got some really good video footage of it. But this was just far and few in between. When Saddam knew his goose was cooked, he ordered his remaining troops to set fire to as many rigs as possible. Understand and never foreget, it was to Saddam that oil was the only reason for invading Kuwait and going to war with the Americans and their allies, not the other way around.

Like I said.. it was always about oil and control of the Middle East... WMD... the possibility, or the purported use of, is only how continued U.S. involvement is justified....

The Iraq invasion following 9-11 and the hunt for WMD had absolutely nothing to do with oil. Had Saddam allowed UN inspectors full access to areas of interest, we would have never pummeled him from power.

[slucero]

I helped blow up a few of those oil rigs back in the first Gulf War. We had to. Iraq's Navy was using them to hide their hover craft and gun boats under. On the first occasion we rolled in on them and ripped those fuckers new assholes with a few MK82's. The second time we dropped a few Mk84's. Oil rig fire was the result. Mind you, these rigs were only out in the gulf, not on land or near the beach. Our task force only took out only two that I know of. I got some really good video footage of it. But this was just far and few in between. When Saddam knew his goose was cooked, he ordered his remaining troops to set fire to as many rigs as possible. Understand and never foreget, it was to Saddam that oil was the only reason for invading Kuwait and going to war with the Americans and their allies, not the other way around.

Like I said.. it was always about oil and control of the Middle East... WMD... the possibility, or the purported use of, is only how continued U.S. involvement is justified....

The Iraq invasion following 9-11 and the hunt for WMD had absolutely nothing to do with oil. Had Saddam allowed UN inspectors full access to areas of interest, we would have never pummeled him from power.

Not.

In 2000... Saddam switched from $USD, to the EURO as payment for Iraqi oil. At he time, Iraq was the 2nd largest OPEC producer and was actively discussing switching to euros for its oil exports. When Saddam made the switch to euro and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros.. he became a dead man walking..

To date, after over 300 unfettered U.N inspections, there has been NO EVIDENCE found of Iraqi WMD.

WMD was the smokscreen...

[steveo777]

Now this is some funny shit: Obama calls Putin a jackass and a dick. I guess the G20 summit went well......

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/b ... l?mobify=0

ST. PETERSBURG (The Borowitz Report)—Hopes for a positive G20 summit crumbled today as President Obama blurted to Russia’s Vladimir Putin at a joint press appearance, “Everyone here thinks you’re a jackass.”

The press corps appeared stunned by the uncharacteristic outburst from Mr. Obama, who then unleashed a ten-minute tirade at the stone-faced Russian President.

“Look, I’m not just talking about Snowden and Syria,” Mr. Obama said. “What about Pussy Riot? What about your anti-gay laws? Total jackass moves, my friend.”

As Mr. Putin narrowed his eyes in frosty silence, Mr. Obama seemed to warm to his topic.

“If you think I’m the only one who feels this way, you’re kidding yourself,” Mr. Obama said, jabbing his finger in the direction of the Russian President’s face. “Ask Angela Merkel. Ask David Cameron. Ask the Turkish guy. Every last one of them thinks you’re a dick.”

Shortly after Mr. Obama’s volcanic performance, Mr. Putin released a terse official statement, reading, “I should be afraid of this skinny man? I wrestle bears.”

After one day of meetings, the G20 nations voted unanimously on a resolution that said maybe everyone should just go home.

[Boomchild]

Remember when the unemployment number dropping was good news that everyone could feel good about? Now, it's scary when the number drops. It's terrible news because it's all based on people giving up. Our country now is plagued with people having to give up to the point they no longer count. The psychology of that is terrible.

Translation: B.O.'s real plan is working just as planned. Get as many people as possible dependent on the government for their existence.

[Boomchild]

O bombs Syria
Al Queda attacks all US embassies in the Middle East
Al Queda attacks all US interests in the Middle East
Iran joins war with Syria
Arab countries open the purse to fund Hezbolah, Al Queda, and countless other anti-American groups


This will unify the Muslim terrorist groups, who see oil consumption as the U.S. Achilles Heel (which it is)... and engage in systematically striking the US by attacking oil production in the Middle East.... remember when Saddam blew up his own wells?

See the above chart... 55% of all US oil imports are OPEC.. OPEC IS the Middle East..

if the Middle East is embroiled in war.. Any combination of the oil flow stopping, or the price rising... will affect the already fragile US economy.


What an easy way for Obama to further cripple the U.S... and have U.S. citizens cheering him on..

Also, Iran could just stop all traffic through waters and ports near them. Which a lot of oil exporting is transported through.

[Boomchild]

Sept. 2, 2012, YORK, Pa. (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that Republican rival Mitt Romney is “ready to go to war in Syria and Iran” while hurting the middle class.

Mmm. Kind of funny how the media isn't pointing this out and asking Biden about this statement.

[slucero]

O bombs Syria
Al Queda attacks all US embassies in the Middle East
Al Queda attacks all US interests in the Middle East
Iran joins war with Syria
Arab countries open the purse to fund Hezbolah, Al Queda, and countless other anti-American groups


This will unify the Muslim terrorist groups, who see oil consumption as the U.S. Achilles Heel (which it is)... and engage in systematically striking the US by attacking oil production in the Middle East.... remember when Saddam blew up his own wells?

See the above chart... 55% of all US oil imports are OPEC.. OPEC IS the Middle East..

if the Middle East is embroiled in war.. Any combination of the oil flow stopping, or the price rising... will affect the already fragile US economy.


What an easy way for Obama to further cripple the U.S... and have U.S. citizens cheering him on..

Also, Iran could just stop all traffic through waters and ports near them. Which a lot of oil exporting is transported through.

20% of all oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz... which is the southern border of Iran..

[Memorex]

Not.

In 2000... Saddam switched from $USD, to the EURO as payment for Iraqi oil. At he time, Iraq was the 2nd largest OPEC producer and was actively discussing switching to euros for its oil exports. When Saddam made the switch to euro and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros.. he became a dead man walking..

To date, after over 300 unfettered U.N inspections, there has been NO EVIDENCE found of Iraqi WMD.

WMD was the smokscreen...

Or... http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/

[slucero]

Not.

In 2000... Saddam switched from $USD, to the EURO as payment for Iraqi oil. At he time, Iraq was the 2nd largest OPEC producer and was actively discussing switching to euros for its oil exports. When Saddam made the switch to euro and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros.. he became a dead man walking..

To date, after over 300 unfettered U.N inspections, there has been NO EVIDENCE found of Iraqi WMD.

WMD was the smokscreen...

Or... http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/

good article.. pretty much confirming that while the U.N. inspectors found nothing, the U.S. found what amounts to very little.. and that there was no "massive WMD program" in Iraq..

...which was the premise for Bush invading Iraq in the 1st place.. and the smokescreen...

[Memorex]

Not.

In 2000... Saddam switched from $USD, to the EURO as payment for Iraqi oil. At he time, Iraq was the 2nd largest OPEC producer and was actively discussing switching to euros for its oil exports. When Saddam made the switch to euro and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros.. he became a dead man walking..

To date, after over 300 unfettered U.N inspections, there has been NO EVIDENCE found of Iraqi WMD.

WMD was the smokscreen...

Or... http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/

good article.. pretty much confirming that while the U.N. inspectors found nothing, the U.S. found what amounts to very little.. and that there was no "massive WMD program" in Iraq..

...which was the premise for Bush invading Iraq in the 1st place.. and the smokescreen...

The WMD thing never mattered to me in that war. I simply wanted Hussein out as a leader. He killed many of his own people in chemical attacks and I think once you do that, it's time to go. Even if you were killing people all the time with regular munitions, it's still time to go. I think there are many "leaders" around the world that need to go. It's disgusting what the civilized countries of this world allow. We should be a whole lot better at stopping atrocities.

We let too many countries become too powerful to the point we can't seem to do much about it.

[Memorex]

What I don't understand is why Obama is being so - I'm trying to search for the right word here, but all I come up with is weak. Unconvincing, maybe? It's like the pussification of American Military Might. He seems to be making a wishy-washy case for these strikes. I can't think of a president since maybe Carter that has acted that way. If you want to threaten military action, it has to actually come across as a threat. You have to talk tough and he seems very afraid to do that. But it's opening him up to criticism from all sides. It makes us look embarrassing. I want him to get up there and say "Fuck all of you, I'm bombing the shit out of this asswipe. And is the rebels turn out bad, I'll bomb the shit out of them too. Now kiss my ass."

You know, maybe not in those words, but definitely with that attitude. Otherwise it's like, "Hey, I know I said there was a red line, and I'd really like to bomb you, but that big Russian guy is pretty scary and my Hollywood friends are really upset with me right now so maybe I'll give you another chance, cause that works out everywhere we do that. Also, this is interfering with my golf game. So please, just don't do that anymore."

[slucero]

The WMD thing never mattered to me in that war. I simply wanted Hussein out as a leader. He killed many of his own people in chemical attacks and I think once you do that, it's time to go. Even if you were killing people all the time with regular munitions, it's still time to go. I think there are many "leaders" around the world that need to go. It's disgusting what the civilized countries of this world allow. We should be a whole lot better at stopping atrocities.

We let too many countries become too powerful to the point we can't seem to do much about it.

Interesting that you would say that.. since the whole point of being American (at least from the Founder and Framer POV) is the respect of individual and national sovereignty.. meaning respecting the right of sovereign nations to rule their people as they see fit.. so much so that they wrote language in our Constitution that only allows the use of the military in defense of the nation..

Since you don't care about the WMD.. then all you are advocating for is the U.S. using its military to be the worlds policeman.. or worlds bully.. and neither position is in line with the Constitution..

one more thing... please explain why we haven't invaded Somalia then.. after all they've been engaged in a genocidal civil war for the last 25 years.

[Memorex]

The WMD thing never mattered to me in that war. I simply wanted Hussein out as a leader. He killed many of his own people in chemical attacks and I think once you do that, it's time to go. Even if you were killing people all the time with regular munitions, it's still time to go. I think there are many "leaders" around the world that need to go. It's disgusting what the civilized countries of this world allow. We should be a whole lot better at stopping atrocities.

We let too many countries become too powerful to the point we can't seem to do much about it.

Interesting that you would say that.. since the whole point of being American (at least from the Founder and Framer POV) is the respect of individual and national sovereignty.. meaning respecting the right of sovereign nations to rule their people as they see fit.. so much so that they wrote language in our Constitution that only allows the use of the military in defense of the nation..

Since you don't care about the WMD.. then all you are advocating for is the U.S. using its military to be the worlds policeman.. or worlds bully.. and neither position is in line with the Constitution..

one more thing... please explain why we haven't invaded Somalia then.. after all they've been engaged in a genocidal civil war for the last 25 years.

I'll answer your question with a question. Why haven't we? I agree. I know we are war weary, but other countries know that and are feeling quite free to do whatever they wish.

I don't know. Don't you think we've progressed enough as a people not to allow certain things to happen around the world? We spent an awful lot of money to become the biggest super power to ever exist. For what? Partially so other countries dare not attack us, but is that all we're good for? Protecting our own? It's not like Japan or Canada can stop these people. It's us, Russia, China, etc. I always wonder what other countries would do if our government turned its military might on us - in this day and age. We'd need a lot of help, I imagine.

[slucero]

I'll answer your question with a question. Why haven't we? I agree. I know we are war weary, but other countries know that and are feeling quite free to do whatever they wish.

I don't know. Don't you think we've progressed enough as a people not to allow certain things to happen around the world? We spent an awful lot of money to become the biggest super power to ever exist. For what? Partially so other countries dare not attack us, but is that all we're good for? Protecting our own? It's not like Japan or Canada can stop these people. It's us, Russia, China, etc. I always wonder what other countries would do if our government turned its military might on us - in this day and age. We'd need a lot of help, I imagine.

When one of our core principles as a nation is the respect of other peoples and nations choice of self determination, it's hypocritical for the U.S. try an impose it's morality on other sovereign people/nations. The very FACT that we haven't been in Somalia for the last 25 years yet have been basically living in the Middle East for the last 25 years is living proof of just how morally hypocritical the U.S. government is actually being.

Military might does not equal political might. The U.S. HAD the opportunity to promote peace AND lead change in the world in a way and language EVERY nation understands and wants.. economics. Economic might IS political might and is the way to politically motivate a country to "change"... it has partially worked in China, and would still work today.. if the U.S. actually had economic leverage anymore.. which we don't. That was pissed away starting in the 70's...

In his farewell address to the country, George Washington warned the country against getting involved in foreign affairs..

The simple fact is .. its not our right to interfere... it flies in the face of the very values this country was founded under. More importantly.. It is illegal as it is a violation of the Constitution. We are violating our laws and international laws in doing so...

The United Nations was designed for just these things.. it needs to be empowered, outfitted and manned to do these things.

[Boomchild]

I always wonder what other countries would do if our government turned its military might on us - in this day and age. We'd need a lot of help, I imagine.

With the way things are going in this country I'm afraid we may end up finding out the answer to your question. Personally, I don't see anyone coming to the aid of U.S. citizens. At least with the global opinion of the U.S. as it is. I don't want to see us take any action towards the Syrian situation. This is something that needs to be addressed collectively through the U.N. period. Even when this happens it seems the U.S. takes the brunt of the job and it's costs. This should not be the case. We need to stop acting like the "world's police force". If we do act as B.O. intends, it will have little to no effect on the resolving the situation and will most likely open a can of worms that will end up sending more American soldiers home in body bags. There are a lot of credible people feeling that this this could lead to a war in the whole region or even worse world war. The American people don't seem to want to do it as well as our allies. B.O. should get the message.This is more touchy then Iraq or Afghanistan was. This administration's foreign policy or lack thereof regarding the Middle East has been a cluster fuck. All we need to look to is Libya, Egypt and Iran.

[tater1977]

https://www.facebook.com/BreakingObama

Breaking Obama

6 hours ago.

2 Million Bikers are heading for Washington DC Right now even though their Permit was denied for 9/11 & this will become very interesting as they reach there in time to be there at the same time as the Million Muslim March. Stand Tall with these Patriots and Share this please as they are riding for our Freedom!

Breaking Obama.JPG

[verslibre]

Million Muslim March

[steveo777]

This could be very interesting.

[Memorex]

Can't bikers and Muslims march on a city for the same reasons? What about Muslim bikers? I don't see the issue. We're all in America here.

[steveo777]

Can't bikers and Muslims march on a city for the same reasons? What about Muslim bikers? I don't see the issue. We're all in America here.

Trust me, there won't be any Muslim bikers in that bunch.

[verslibre]

Muslim bikers...their jackets will read REA Riders, for "Ridin' East for Allah"!

[steveo777]

Muslim bikers...their jackets will read REA Riders, for "Ridin' East for Allah"!

Think these bikers and Muslims will all sit down, break bread, and conduct peace talks? I have a very different picture in my mind.

[Boomchild]

It's becoming more clear why John "Poker" McCain is OK with B.O.'s plan for Syria and why he may be pushing the aid to arm the "rebels". It just so happens that he and some others were at the top when it came to campaign donations from defense contractors.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/senat ... tor-dough/

[verslibre]

It's becoming more clear why John "Poker" McCain is OK with B.O.'s plan for Syria and why he may be pushing the aid to arm the "rebels". It just so happens that he and some others were at the top when it came to campaign donations from defense contractors.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/senat ... tor-dough/

Almost as good as Halliburton doin' business with Iraq via their UK division (read: loophole).

[Memorex]

Muslim bikers...their jackets will read REA Riders, for "Ridin' East for Allah"!

Think these bikers and Muslims will all sit down, break bread, and conduct peace talks? I have a very different picture in my mind.

Of course, my point is why not? I mean, I get the issue and all and what I'm saying is I think those million Muslims would like peace and so would those Bikers. So what the hell, why do we have to believe they are on opposite sides of something? If we all want peace, than is it not the duty of those bikers and those Muslims to sit down together as Americans? Only way it gets better, right?

[trekman]

Muslim bikers...their jackets will read REA Riders, for "Ridin' East for Allah"!

Think these bikers and Muslims will all sit down, break bread, and conduct peace talks? I have a very different picture in my mind.

Of course, my point is why not? I mean, I get the issue and all and what I'm saying is I think those million Muslims would like peace and so would those Bikers. So what the hell, why do we have to believe they are on opposite sides of something? If we all want peace, than is it not the duty of those bikers and those Muslims to sit down together as Americans? Only way it gets better, right?

That would be nice, in a Fantasy world. Just my opinion but I happen to believe they are doing what their Qur'an is telling them to do. Lie and deceive. This is just another step towards Jihad.

[steveo777]

Some of their representatives were recently interviewed. I can't state the date, time, or program, but when they were questioned, regarding their motives, they became defensive. It became all about them, their rights and liberties, their persecution, etc. Their motives came out so strongly, that the interviewer said something like "I'm not doing this with you" and turned off their mic. I have really forgotten the program, so if anyone remembers, please post it. It was quite telling. The Muslim agenda in America is not a peaceful one. Now, we have a sitting president, with Muslims in his cabinet, who have ties to Muslim extremists. What's wrong with that picture? It sends out huge alarms to me! Obama is on a mission. Those who haven't figured out what it is yet need to pull their heads out of main stream media and start taking a look around. I don't mean go watch Fox news when I say this. Start looking at Egyptian news sites, Syria sites, and if you can get in, without identifying where you reside, Al Jazeera.....not the America version. Egypt claims that Obama himself is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood! Not trying to offend anyone here, nor discredit anyone's intelligence. We don't know what we don't know and we only know what we are fed on TV, for the most part. Unfortunately, many, and in some cases, most pieces of the puzzle are missing and you need to go out and search for them. Only then, will the "dots begin to connect". It's not a great picture when you have all the info and you will understand that we have a real problem, the longer Obama remains president.

[Boomchild]

That would be nice, in a Fantasy world. Just my opinion but I happen to believe they are doing what their Qur'an is telling them to do. Lie and deceive. This is just another step towards Jihad.

I heard someone speaking about the Quran and they pointed out that it's the only major religion text that still has passages that promote violence towards non believers. Other major religion texts that had these types of passages were changed. Not sure if this is totally accurate though.

[steveo777]

That would be nice, in a Fantasy world. Just my opinion but I happen to believe they are doing what their Qur'an is telling them to do. Lie and deceive. This is just another step towards Jihad.

I heard someone speaking about the Quran and they pointed out that it's the only major religion text that still has passages that promote violence towards non believers. Other major religion texts that had these types of passages were changed. Not sure if this is totally accurate though.

If violence is taught in the modern day, that's exactly what you'll have. We have rappers, making millions of dollars, teaching poor, inner city kids, how to thug-a-mutha-fucka. We have all these role models and when something outrageous happens, we have Sharpton and Jackson to go advocate for the thugsters, explaining how the "white problem" causes all this. Fucking racist bastards! Sick of all this religion based violence, in other countries, drawing us into combat. We can't even solve our own problems. We could, but we don't. We don't because we expect our elected officials to solve all our problems. That's the sheople problem, only thoughts, no proactivity.