President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Boomchild]

Some of their representatives were recently interviewed. I can't state the date, time, or program, but when they were questioned, regarding their motives, they became defensive. It became all about them, their rights and liberties, their persecution, etc. Their motives came out so strongly, that the interviewer said something like "I'm not doing this with you" and turned off their mic. I have really forgotten the program, so if anyone remembers, please post it. It was quite telling. The Muslim agenda in America is not a peaceful one. Now, we have a sitting president, with Muslims in his cabinet, who have ties to Muslim extremists. What's wrong with that picture? It sends out huge alarms to me! Obama is on a mission. Those who haven't figured out what it is yet need to pull their heads out of main stream media and start taking a look around. I don't mean go watch Fox news when I say this. Start looking at Egyptian news sites, Syria sites, and if you can get in, without identifying where you reside, Al Jazeera.....not the America version. Egypt claims that Obama himself is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood! Not trying to offend anyone here, nor discredit anyone's intelligence. We don't know what we don't know and we only know what we are fed on TV, for the most part. Unfortunately, many, and in some cases, most pieces of the puzzle are missing and you need to go out and search for them. Only then, will the "dots begin to connect". It's not a great picture when you have all the info and you will understand that we have a real problem, the longer Obama remains president.

The problem just isn't B.O. and government leaders. It's American society in general. People have forgotten about how important our system government and the freedoms it provides. I think there is a mind set out there that thinks those freedoms could never be taken away. That our government couldn't morph into something that basically throws our constitution "out the window". With respect to people getting their head out of the sand it's something that I fear will never happen till it's all over and too late. Look at the amount of information that has come to light about B.O.'s background. Things like the documentary 2016 and just the contradictions in B.O.'s own actions. All you get is the "deer in the headlights" response or the opinion that all of it is just a racist attack on the first African American President. Until there is a major change in the mindset of the general public in America, all we can expect to happen is what is happening.

[steveo777]

Some of their representatives were recently interviewed. I can't state the date, time, or program, but when they were questioned, regarding their motives, they became defensive. It became all about them, their rights and liberties, their persecution, etc. Their motives came out so strongly, that the interviewer said something like "I'm not doing this with you" and turned off their mic. I have really forgotten the program, so if anyone remembers, please post it. It was quite telling. The Muslim agenda in America is not a peaceful one. Now, we have a sitting president, with Muslims in his cabinet, who have ties to Muslim extremists. What's wrong with that picture? It sends out huge alarms to me! Obama is on a mission. Those who haven't figured out what it is yet need to pull their heads out of main stream media and start taking a look around. I don't mean go watch Fox news when I say this. Start looking at Egyptian news sites, Syria sites, and if you can get in, without identifying where you reside, Al Jazeera.....not the America version. Egypt claims that Obama himself is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood! Not trying to offend anyone here, nor discredit anyone's intelligence. We don't know what we don't know and we only know what we are fed on TV, for the most part. Unfortunately, many, and in some cases, most pieces of the puzzle are missing and you need to go out and search for them. Only then, will the "dots begin to connect". It's not a great picture when you have all the info and you will understand that we have a real problem, the longer Obama remains president.

The problem just isn't B.O. and government leaders. It's American society in general. People have forgotten about how important our system government and the freedoms it provides. I think there is a mind set out there that thinks those freedoms could never be taken away. That our government couldn't morph into something that basically throws our constitution "out the window". With respect to people getting their head out of the sand it's something that I fear will never happen till it's all over and too late. Look at the amount of information that has come to light about B.O.'s background. Things like the documentary 2016 and just the contradictions in B.O.'s own actions. All you get is the "deer in the headlights" response or the opinion that all of it is just a racist attack on the first African American President. Until there is a major change in the mindset of the general public in America, all we can expect to happen is what is happening.

I also suspect there is a faction of rebels who hate our way of life and just don't care about the constitution, law abiding, or even bothering to care or educate themselves about our very foundry. We all get it, that at some time, we needed to elect a black president. What gets me, is the lies that people will put up with, then act like it's all just common place. I've dug deep into Obama's history, as far as it will let me go. There is much sealed and much people won't talk about, but I can come to the conclusion that he's not a good person, hasn't worked for blacks, infact has destroyed their neighborhoods, leaving many homeless, in the name of "urban renovation, community organization, urban renewal". All empty promises, while his cronies got rich deleting "blight" from the neighborhoods. Contractors of demolition and reconstruction got rich and I'm sure they provided some kickbacks. That's the way Chicago politics work. Those displaced people....well, who knows where they went. They should now understand that a man's skin color will never determine how you are treated.

[trekman]

If I remember right, the Qu'ran when it was first wrote wasnt the evil book it is now. According to the Qur’an, then, when Muslims are faced with conflicting commands, they aren’t supposed to pick the one they like best. Rather, they are to go to history and see which verse was revealed last. Whichever verse came last is said to abrogate (or cancel) earlier revelations.

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/

THE CALL TO JIHAD: THREE STAGES

When we turn to Islam’s theological sources and historical writings (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira, and Tafsir), we find that there are three stages in the call to Jihad, depending on the status of Muslims in a society.

STAGE ONE—When Muslims are completely outnumbered and can’t possibly win a physical confrontation with unbelievers, they are to live in peace with non-Muslims and preach a message of tolerance. We see an example of this stage when Muhammad and his followers were a persecuted minority in Mecca. Since the Muslims were entirely outnumbered, the revelations Muhammad received during this stage (e.g. “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion”) called for religious tolerance and proclaimed a future punishment (rather than a worldly punishment) for unbelievers.

STAGE TWO—When there are enough Muslims and resources to defend the Islamic community, Muslims are called to engage in defensive Jihad. Thus, when Muhammad had formed alliances with various groups outside Mecca and the Muslim community had become large enough to begin fighting, Muhammad received Qur’an 22:39-40:

Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them; Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: our Lord is Allah. . . .


Although Muslims in the West often pretend that Islam only allows defensive fighting, later revelations show otherwise.

STAGE THREE—When Muslims establish a majority and achieve political power in an area, they are commanded to engage in offensive Jihad. Hence, once Mecca and Arabia were under Muhammad’s control, he received the call the fight all unbelievers. In Surah 9:29, we read:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


Notice that this verse doesn’t order Muslims to fight oppressors, but to fight those who don’t believe in Islam (including the “People of the Book”—Jews and Christians).

It’s clear, then, that when Muslims rose to power, peaceful verses of the Qur’an were abrogated by verses commanding Muslims to fight people based on their beliefs. Islam’s greatest scholars acknowledge this. For instance, Ibn Kathir (Islam’s greatest commentator on the Qur’an) sums up Stage Three as follows: “Therefore all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the Jizyah, they should be fought till they are killed.”

Is Islam a religion of peace? No. Islam is a religion that pretends to be peaceful when Muslims are too weak to win a war. Of course, there are many Muslims who aren’t violent. Many Muslims in the West love peace and tolerance. But they didn’t get these values from Islam. They got them from the West, and now they’re reinterpreting Islam based on their Western values. For dedicated Muslims, however, there are only two possible situations to be in: (1) fighting unbelievers, and (2) pretending to be peaceful while preparing to fight unbelievers. Either way, fighting non-Muslims and conquering the world in the name of Allah is always the goal.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I heard someone speaking about the Quran and they pointed out that it's the only major religion text that still has passages that promote violence towards non believers.

With this in mind, also realize that Muslims can identify the non believers simply by looking at how people are dressed and how people are groomed, along with personal behaviors such as drinking alcohol, eating certain foods, showing affection in public, etc.

[verslibre]

Fucking hilarious (in a bad way).

"When you're outnumbered...you chill."

"When you have a nice group together...tell everyone else they're a fuckin' idiot for not believing in Islam."

"When YOU outnumber THEM — FIGHT! KILL the infidels! For ALLAH!!"

[trekman]

Fucking hilarious (in a bad way).

"When you're outnumbered...you chill."

"When you have a nice group together...tell everyone else they're a fuckin' idiot for not believing in Islam."

"When YOU outnumber THEM — FIGHT! KILL the infidels! For ALLAH!!"

Spot On. World Domination IS their goal. Again, I think I remember reading that Islam has killed more and conquered more than all the other religions combined.

[slucero]

Fucking hilarious (in a bad way).

"When you're outnumbered...you chill."

"When you have a nice group together...tell everyone else they're a fuckin' idiot for not believing in Islam."

"When YOU outnumber THEM — FIGHT! KILL the infidels! For ALLAH!!"

Spot On. World Domination IS their goal. Again, I think I remember reading that Islam has killed more and conquered more than all the other religions combined.

According to Wikipedia... the most prolific killer religion is Christianity.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

[conversationpc]

According to Wikipedia... the most prolific killer religion is Christianity.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

For the sake of this argument, you'd have to include atheism even though most wouldn't consider it a religion. Anyway, it's the hands-down winner.

[slucero]

Obama is eating a giant plate of "crow" at the moment..

[Memorex]

Obama is eating a giant plate of "crow" at the moment..

I agreed with nearly every word he said. I have two points of contention only. Not tough enough and he should not back away from Congress voting. If it is the threat of a strike that is causing Syria to act (which is not the case), then let's put a serious threat up.

Part of me says go to the UN, but that's a pretty worthless and anti-American organization overall. I'm not a big fan. Lot's of corruption there.

I realize he is only backing away because he is not going to get the votes, but he should be laying that in the lap of Congress.

Otherwise, he's correct on every point.

[Memorex]

I will say this. The whole ordeal has been embarrassing for America. And Obama needs to shoulder the blame for putting himself in this position, but this was one of the toughest spots he could be an and I for one don't really know what successful path he could have taken. I'd of just been happy if I woke up in the morning and they said we let 50 cruise missiles off and that was that. Anything else is just a tough road.

[slucero]

Obama is eating a giant plate of "crow" at the moment..

I agreed with nearly every word he said. I have two points of contention only. Not tough enough and he should not back away from Congress voting. If it is the threat of a strike that is causing Syria to act (which is not the case), then let's put a serious threat up.

Part of me says go to the UN, but that's a pretty worthless and anti-American organization overall. I'm not a big fan. Lot's of corruption there.

I realize he is only backing away because he is not going to get the votes, but he should be laying that in the lap of Congress.

Otherwise, he's correct on every point.

It's only "correct" if one buys the Obama premise that it was Assad that gassed his people... the videos only show that Syrians were gassed.. it does not implicate the Syrian government. There's a BOAT load of evidence that it was the rebels who did it, including a video of one of the rebels actually admitting it.. This whole thing stinks to high heaven, and the American people are beyond stupid to buy it.. and here's why.

This whole mess is about a natural gas pipeline to EUROPE, and who makes billions from it.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia wanted it to go through their countries, then through Syria, then to Europe... which Assad would not allow, instead opting/preferring the pipeline go through Iran... This pissed the Saudis off, so they called in their mercenary military division.. the U.S., to get Assad out of power, so the pipeline goes through Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

It's about billions of dollars in revenue for the Saudi's... and the U.S. not willing to risk pissing off the Saudi's because we need them to keep requiring USD for oil..

And there's precedent for this..

In 1951, Iran Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadeq attempted to get British Petroleum, who were at the time making 100% of the profits from Iranian oil wells, to give half of the profits to the Iranian people. Under the leadership of Mossadeq's democratically elected nationalist movement, the Iranian parliament unanimously voted to nationalize the oil industry – thus shutting out the immensely profitable Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), which was a pillar of Britain's economy and provided it political clout in the region. Instead of coming to terms with the Iranians for THEIR OIL... the British government invited CIA agent Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. to London to propose collaboration on a secret plan to force Mosaddeq from office, after which the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was installed as the new "Shah of Iran"...

Syria is just another in a long line of Western interventions in pursuit of control of the region.. and in this case its the U.S. operating at the behest of the Saudis... because we're their bitches..

[Boomchild]

I also suspect there is a faction of rebels who hate our way of life and just don't care about the constitution, law abiding, or even bothering to care or educate themselves about our very foundry. We all get it, that at some time, we needed to elect a black president. What gets me, is the lies that people will put up with, then act like it's all just common place. I've dug deep into Obama's history, as far as it will let me go. There is much sealed and much people won't talk about, but I can come to the conclusion that he's not a good person, hasn't worked for blacks, infact has destroyed their neighborhoods, leaving many homeless, in the name of "urban renovation, community organization, urban renewal". All empty promises, while his cronies got rich deleting "blight" from the neighborhoods. Contractors of demolition and reconstruction got rich and I'm sure they provided some kickbacks. That's the way Chicago politics work. Those displaced people....well, who knows where they went. They should now understand that a man's skin color will never determine how you are treated.

I don't agree with this "we needed to elect a black president". The position has nothing to do with skin color at all. To give in to that premise then it's saying that ones abilities is based on skin color. The position is about being able to lead with clarity, to able to work with both parties in government to the benefit of it's citizens, to be able to develop and maintain strong peaceful relationships with other countries and when required defend our nation, it's laws and the constitution. All of which have nothing to do with skin color.

[Boomchild]

I agreed with nearly every word he said. I have two points of contention only. Not tough enough and he should not back away from Congress voting. If it is the threat of a strike that is causing Syria to act (which is not the case), then let's put a serious threat up.

Part of me says go to the UN, but that's a pretty worthless and anti-American organization overall. I'm not a big fan. Lot's of corruption there.

I realize he is only backing away because he is not going to get the votes, but he should be laying that in the lap of Congress.

Otherwise, he's correct on every point.

Sorry, even with this latest pitch to attack the Syrian government, it still has not provided clarity that it was them that used CW. Still no smoking gun. No proof it was them as opposed to the rebel faction. As far as corruption in the U.N., I am sure your right. But that does not equate to it's up to the U.S. to dish out the punishment. Especially when there isn't proof of clear and present danger to the U.S. directly or our interests. B.O. spoke out that it wasn't him that drew the "red line" on the use of CW but the world that did. If that is the way you want to present this situation then it should be the world that collectively decides the correct response. Not have the U.S. pass out it's own resolution.

[verslibre]

Fucking hilarious (in a bad way).

"When you're outnumbered...you chill."

"When you have a nice group together...tell everyone else they're a fuckin' idiot for not believing in Islam."

"When YOU outnumber THEM — FIGHT! KILL the infidels! For ALLAH!!"

Spot On. World Domination IS their goal. Again, I think I remember reading that Islam has killed more and conquered more than all the other religions combined.

http://news.yahoo.com/child-bride-yemen-dies-internal-bleeding-wedding-night-165832059.html

[verslibre]

According to Wikipedia... the most prolific killer religion is Christianity..

I'd expect nothing less of the Thirty Years' War. That's, uh, a lot of warring.

And let's not forget the Crusades began as a response to Muslim aggression.

[Boomchild]

Here's a PSA that may convince you that bombing Syria is the right thing to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sdO6pw ... r_embedded

[slucero]

Here's a PSA that may convince you that bombing Syria is the right thing to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sdO6pw ... r_embedded

lol

[verslibre]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/10/egypts-muslim-brotherhood-convert-islam-or-pay-jiz/

Note the URL reads "or-pay-jiz"!

[Boomchild]

U.S. special forces weapons stolen in Libya and now seem to be in the hands of terrorists.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09 ... bya-raids/

[Boomchild]

News writer that Kerry and McCain have been using to support their position on the Syrian rebels has been fired for lying about her Ph.D. .

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/w ... 96637.html

[Archetype]

Vladimir Putin wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times about Syria and the address that Obama gave on Tuesday.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=0

[steveo777]

Vladimir Putin wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times about Syria and the address that Obama gave on Tuesday.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=0

Putin 1 Obama 0

Embarrassing that Putin took care of business for Obama. Our country's leadership looks like total tools to the world.

I really hope Obama keeps up his blunders. The mid terms are coming and at this rate the Dems are fucked.

[slucero]

Vladimir Putin wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times about Syria and the address that Obama gave on Tuesday.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=0

Putin 1 Obama 0

Embarrassing that Putin took care of business for Obama. Our country's leadership looks like total tools to the world.

I really hope Obama keeps up his blunders. The mid terms are coming and at this rate the Dems are fucked.

Putin just made Obama look like a fucking hillbilly..

Putin puttin' it to Obama.. lol

[Boomchild]

This begs me to ask if Obama looks far worse then George W. Bush when comes to foreign policy?

[steveo777]

This begs me to ask if Obama looks far worse then George W. Bush when comes to foreign policy?

Yes. Dropping bombs on Syria was Obama's want. He had about no support in the world community. Bush had many countries behind him and had congressional approval. O has embarrassed himself, hence the backpeddle speech. O has no clue how to operate the machine, doesn't understand the controls and what makes what do what. He's incompetent.

[The Sushi Hunter]

This begs me to ask if Obama looks far worse then George W. Bush when comes to foreign policy?

Yes. Dropping bombs on Syria was Obama's want. He had about no support in the world community. Bush had many countries behind him and had congressional approval. O has embarrassed himself, hence the backpeddle speech. O has no clue how to operate the machine, doesn't understand the controls and what makes what do what. He's incompetent.

This is what to expect from an individual who had been voted into office only because of his color. That's also the same reason he was given the Nobel Peace Prize right after being elected. Welcome to the wonderful world of the new democrat.

All BOzo has done while in office is reward losers and penalize winners. He's nothing about getting people to clean up their act and fly right. He's only about raising taxes on the people who have worked hard and invested their hard earnings wisely. He's only about pushing to legalize drugs and have the hard working cover the medical costs of the shitbags of America. He's only about injecting himself and his racial views into shootings, etc. He's only about imploding America from the inside out. Welcome to the wonderful world of the new democrat.

[verslibre]

What did he get the Nobel "for"? I forget.

[The Sushi Hunter]

What did he get the Nobel "for"? I forget.

Only because he was the first black president of the United States. If that's not it, then maybe because he promoted the use of a blackberry cell phone. Obviously getting the Nobel Peace Prize had absolutely nothing to do with what BOzo did as a president because he received it within something like a matter of months of winning the 2009 election. He was given the Nobel Peace Prize in December of 2009. How long had he been in office and what was his presidential accomplishments by that time? Clearly from BOzo being "given" it, it's got no value anymore. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing one of these is good for is for it to be dropped from an overpass that is over a very busy highway.

http://news.yahoo.com/column-why-obama- ... 54941.html

[verslibre]