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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:26 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
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trekman wrote:First Russian troops train earlier in this year in Colorado and now Chinese will train and participate in a exercise in Hawaii. Why do you think Obama is having the military train with the communists and not American allies?

http://www.examiner.com/article/communi ... xt-tuesday


Don't you see? These are our new "friends". We are just being understanding, thoughtful of other peoples ideals and compassionate.



So it's OK for them to be our chief creditor and also make the majority of our goods, but we cannot train with them militarily? The rucksacks, MREs, ammo, and combat boots are all paid for with Chinese-backed U.S. dollars. They might as well come over and claim it.


So I guess you think this is good idea?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:30 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Yea, and FDR is saddling our children with debt that can never be repaid blah blah. The GOP and Right Wing faction in this country has been peddling the same doomsday prediction for decades. Like all doomsday cults, they are not to be taken seriously.


I guess all the experts that show our government's spending is not sustainable are wrong and governments never turn on their own people.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:48 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Russia is not a communist country. Not since 1992. Eastern Europe and Russia are a democracy. China is communist. Moldova was the last communist hold out in Eastern Europe, they voted out the communist about four years ago. America is closer to socialism now then Russia is.


Your right of course. Im sure I must have known that at one time. I just forgot. :shock: :wink:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:43 am

Calif. Insurance Commissioner: More Than 1M Californians Having Insurance Cancelled Due To ACA

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (CBS Sacramento/AP) — Health insurer Anthem Blue Cross of California has agreed to a two-month extension of about 104,000 individual policies after failing to give the required 90-day cancellation notice, state Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones announced Tuesday.

The policies had been set to expire on Dec. 31 but will be extended until Feb. 28 for those who choose to re-enroll. Notices informing customers of the extension will be sent out this week, Anthem said.

Jones said the company notified the Department of Insurance that it failed to give enough notice because of a computer glitch and voluntarily offered to extend the policies.

Anthem spokesman Darrel Ng said a subset of individual customers was “inadvertently omitted from the original mailing” notifying them that their policies were being terminated. He declined to say how many Anthem customers were being notified their policies were ending.

More than 1 million cancellation notices have been sent to Californians as the Affordable Care Act begins allowing individuals to buy insurance through exchanges, Jones said. The federal law requires policies to offer minimum levels of coverage, forcing companies to terminate many existing plans. But Jones said that under the law, insurers have another year to do so.

In an interview with NBC News, President Barack Obama apologized for previously pledging that Americans would get to keep their health plan under Obamacare, despite millions receiving cancellation notices.

Last week, Blue Shield of California said it would extend 113,000 policies by an extra three months after it failed to provide 180 days’ notice to customers. Blue Shield was required to provide a lengthier notification period than other insurers because it opted to switch from being regulated under the insurance commissioner’s office to the state Department of Managed Health Care.

The state health care exchange, Covered California, has been accepting customers since Oct. 1 but has yet to say how many people have signed up for new policies. It is expected to announce enrollment figures Thursday.

Jones said even though both insurance companies have extended their existing coverage, policyholders who are eligible for federal premium subsidies through Covered California will likely want to choose new policies by Dec. 15 so they can begin receiving the subsidies starting Jan. 1.

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:56 am

Obamacare... Corrupt already...

November 11, 2013 8:00 PM
The Truth about Navigators

James O’Keefe reveals corruption at the heart of the president’s signature program.
By John Fund

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James O’Keefe, the guerrilla videographer who helped bring down ACORN (the “community organizing” group that Barack Obama worked for as a lawyer and trainer) and got NPR’s president fired, is back.

This time, his undercover investigators focused on Obamacare’s “navigators,” the nearly 50,000 people who, in the words of the Department of Health and Human Services, “will serve as an in-person resource for Americans who want additional assistance in shopping for and enrolling in plans” on the Obamacare exchanges (at least when they’re finally working). The total value of grants doled out for nonprofits and community organizations to hire navigators has topped $67 million nationwide, and some of the money is going to a group run by ACORN’s highly controversial founder.

The events of O’Keefe’s video of a Texas navigator site run by the National Urban League are a familiar sight to viewers of his past efforts exposing Medicaid and voter fraud. Government-paid workers supposedly trained to uphold the law advise clients on how to lie on government forms, evade legal requirements, and ignore proper procedures.

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“You lie because your premiums will be higher,” one navigator advises an investigator for O’Keefe’s Project Veritas, who tells the worker he sometimes smokes. “Don’t tell them that. Don’t tell ’em.”

The investigator then poses as a low-income worker at a university who has unreported cash income on the side, worrying about how that might affect his premium subsidies. That’s no problem for a navigator, who says, “Don’t get yourself in trouble by declaring it now.”

“Yeah, it didn’t happen,” another navigator says. One more chimes in: “Never report it.”

Records show that the National Urban League was paid $376,000 by the federal government for its Obamacare outreach in Texas.

O’Keefe’s cameras then visit Enroll America, a nationwide nonprofit group that has launched a multi-state grassroots campaign to help millions of Americans sign up for health coverage. Daniel Clayton of Enroll America says the group is “purely nonprofit. It’s not partisan, non-political.” But when Brian Pendleton of Enroll America is introduced at a speaking engagement, Enroll America is described as “the official group for the DNC [Democratic National Committee].”

Enroll America, O’Keefe reports, appears to be sharing data and working directly with an explicitly political group called Battleground Texas, activities that he notes “are prohibited unless certain conditions are met.” Adrian Bell, the regional field director for Battleground Texas, proudly notes the group was “started by President Obama’s national field director” and is “dedicated to turning Texas blue.”

There’s much more in the video, which O’Keefe hints will not be his last. Left unexplored is how so many navigators nationwide were hired without any background checks required. While Texas and some other states have passed requirements of their own, the absence of such checks at the federal level was acknowledged by HHS secretary Kathleen Sebelius last week. She was asked by Texas senator John Cornyn if “a convicted felon could be a navigator and could acquire sensitive personal information from an individual unbeknownst to them.”

“It’s possible,” was Secretary Sebelius’s less-than-comforting reply.

Michael Astrue served as commissioner of Social Security until earlier this year, and in the 1990s served as general counsel for HHS. He wrote in The Weekly Standard last month that he is genuinely frightened of the lax security surrounding the Obamacare website, and the fact that navigators will access the federal data hub to help people enroll:

  • HHS opened the door to large-scale fraud by providing funding for tens of thousands of “navigators”—people who are supposed to persuade the uninsured to apply for coverage and then assist them in the application process. Instead of hiring well-screened, well-trained, and well-supervised workers, HHS decided to build political support for the Affordable Care Act by pouring money into supportive organizations so they could launch poorly trained workers into their communities without obtaining criminal background checks or creating systems for monitoring their activities.
  • As a practical matter, these navigators are unaccountable, and yet they will be asking people for Social Security numbers and other sensitive information. It will not take long for navigators to become predators, and HHS has no plan to deal with the new breed of predators it is creating. The somnolent HHS inspector general has been silent about this scheme that will inflict widespread fraud and identity theft on vulnerable Americans.
  • Finally, we should all remember that the Minnesota exchange illegally disclosed the Social Security numbers of 2,400 of its state’s citizens 18 days before its exchange opened for business. With HHS’s convoluted patchwork of contractors, including the data centers of “the cloud,” tens of thousands of people have now gained access to our personal data.

In Texas, some of those people work for Local 100 United Labor Unions, a New Orleans group run by ACORN founder Wade Rathke. Local 100 is a “sub-grantee” providing navigators for the Southern United Neighborhoods group, which received a $600,678 grant to promote Obamacare enrollment. It also received a $270,193 grant for similar work in Arkansas and a $486,123 grant for Louisiana. Marcel Reid, a former dissident board member of ACORN who broke with the group in 2008 over its questionable practices, told me earlier this year, “ACORN is forming new groups under new mismanagement, and if Wade Rathke is involved in any of them, it spells trouble.”

Many of the Navigator problems uncovered in O’Keefe’s videos and by other media outlets could have been predicted, given the propensity of Obama World to associate with highly ideological and often administratively sloppy “community organizers.” Last Friday, the Washington Post ran a piece by Ed Rogers, a former top deputy in the 1988 George H. W. Bush campaign, entitled “Six Reasons Obamacare Will Get Worse for Democrats.” One reason leaps out:

  • Navigators. If you liked ACORN, you’ll love the Obamacare Navigators. I’m sure there will be good, sincere people who really want to help people navigate the Obamacare maze. But there will be enough bad apples employed as navigators to supply plenty of scary anecdotes and weird encounters that will result in a steady ridicule of the overall program. And there will no doubt be activists with hidden cameras ready to capture a few creepy and outrageous encounters that will grab everybody’s attention and make voters even more skeptical of Obamacare.

The law’s problems are coming from more sides than a pentadecagon. But one of the most serious things undermining its credibility is the Obama administraion’s seemingly complete indifference to corruption within one of the key groups tasked with its implementation. We’ll have to see just how much worse it gets.

— John Fund is national-affairs columnist for National Review Online.




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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:45 am

Fact Finder wrote:Man, that dastardly GOP Rove/Palin mind machine has struck again..


Bill Clinton is now the biggest Democratic name to call on President Obama to keep his promise that people could keep their insurance plans under his health law.

“I personally believe, even if it means a change to the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got,” Clinton said. The former president said young people on the individual market were the main group to be affected by the misleading promise, a story of someone he recently met who had their plan canceled.

A number of Democratic and Republican members of Congress have introduced plans to extend the grandfather provisions in the Affordable Care Act so more Americans can in fact keep their plans.


Makes me think the future will include Hilary saying she would have done it differently, better. Elect me and we'll fix this mess.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:07 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Democratic House Whip Steny Hoyer says Obamacare should be changed to allow people to keep insurance policies they like - @Reuters


What's up with these Dems trying to sabotage The Wons Law?


I thought all those plans being cancelled were "sub-standard" coverage and without a doubt Obamacare coverage would be far superior and cost less. So why would you want to help people keep sub-standard coverage?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:08 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Barry has left a big stinking pile at our front door, set it on fire and ran away.


Well, there goes Rush LImbaugh up in flames.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:12 pm

Boomchild wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:Democratic House Whip Steny Hoyer says Obamacare should be changed to allow people to keep insurance policies they like - @Reuters


What's up with these Dems trying to sabotage The Wons Law?


I thought all those plans being cancelled were "sub-standard" coverage and without a doubt Obamacare coverage would be far superior and cost less. So why would you want to help people keep sub-standard coverage?


Because people have the right to be stupid. They still have the option to change, correct? If they want to spend more for bad insurance, let them. Let the market kill the bad policies when people figure out they are crap.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:26 pm

Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:Democratic House Whip Steny Hoyer says Obamacare should be changed to allow people to keep insurance policies they like - @Reuters


What's up with these Dems trying to sabotage The Wons Law?


I thought all those plans being cancelled were "sub-standard" coverage and without a doubt Obamacare coverage would be far superior and cost less. So why would you want to help people keep sub-standard coverage?


Because people have the right to be stupid. They still have the option to change, correct? If they want to spend more for bad insurance, let them. Let the market kill the bad policies when people figure out they are crap.


So you are buying the myth that these plans were bad? Many of these plans were perfectly good and fit right for the individual buying them. Again, a single 23 year old male doesn't need maternity coverage or low deductibles. Who is the government to say what's bad for someone? I agree the industry needs some regulation, but definitely not to the extent that they went.

Originally this was sold as a way to cover the uninsured. Not to meddle in what coverage I want. It's not about people being stupid at all. It's about selecting what is right for you as an individual or for your family without being told what to do. You know - being an adult.

When we were a young family, I chose not to have health insurance. Smart, dumb, I don't know. But it was my choice. I had two kids during that period and paid cash all the way - at a discount of course cause they love cash. All told, I saved thousands of dollars. My choice. If I had of gotten cancer, well it would have been a different story, but it was still my choice.

If the government doesn't want to give me a choice, fine (it's not fine), but don't make it such that it is too expensive and where 70% of the population is being subsidized by the other 30%. And don't make me have coverage I'll never use.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:06 pm

The irony is that what may kill Obamacare is consumers exercising their right to not choose it..

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:30 pm

Monker wrote:Because people have the right to be stupid. They still have the option to change, correct? If they want to spend more for bad insurance, let them. Let the market kill the bad policies when people figure out they are crap.


Yes people have the right to be stupid and no "government intervention" is going to cure them of their stupidity. That said, I have not seen anyone that has claimed the polices being cancelled offering any kind of factual data that they are sub-standard to what is being offered through the exchanges. At this point it seems to be only "spin" to explain away the fact that B.O. told America that "if they liked the insurance they have then they could keep it, period". No "and", "if" or "but". It's not the job of government to determine what service a citizen likes. Even if it's not the greatest thing out there.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:36 pm

slucero wrote:The irony is that what may kill Obamacare is consumers exercising their right to not choose it..


That's an interesting point. Though, if they don't get enough people that are "young and\or healthy" to support the system, I wonder if they will come up with some scheme to fund it putting the country more into massive, unrecoverable debt.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:54 pm

Boomchild wrote:
slucero wrote:The irony is that what may kill Obamacare is consumers exercising their right to not choose it..


That's an interesting point. Though, if they don't get enough people that are "young and\or healthy" to support the system, I wonder if they will come up with some scheme to fund it putting the country more into massive, unrecoverable debt.


if you count the off balance sheet stuff.. the country is already massively in debt.. a simple 1 or 2 percent rise in the long end of the bond yield curve and the country will be unable to service its interest on the debt it already owes..

With the Dem pressure now on Obama to change the law to allow people to keep what they have.. and the already obvious disinterest for the "young and healthy" to by into it.. I think if the November announcement of signups is horrible... which it is looking to be.. the Senate will amend the Act on their own to try and help the incumbent Dem congress members who are at risk in 2014. The worse it gets politically for them the faster they will act to distance themselves from it, and will toss Obama under the bus if they have to.

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:35 am

**Written by Doug Powers

Yesterday, Fox News’ Bret Baier read this letter on the air:

“Putting things in perspective: March 21st 2010 to October 1 2013 is 3 years, 6 months, 10 days. December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is 3 years, 5 months, 1 day. What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this progressive federal government to build a working webpage. Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. Turning the tide in North Africa, Invading Italy, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin – all while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!! And in that amount of time – this administration can’t build a working webpage.” :roll:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:25 am

I'm not sure anyone should get hung up on numbers. Because it's the law of the land that by Jan 1, you must have insurance. So whoever doesn't have it now better get it or start paying some fines. There are two important numbers:

Of the 30 million people they said were begging for insurance, how many will get insurance over the fine?

Of the whatever number of people that do get insurance, how many only did so because they had to.

The enrollment numbers will skyrocket because people don't wan the IRS up their ass.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:43 am

Those damn right-wingers worried about the small debt we have...

MOSCOW — Predicting the imminent collapse of the U.S. dollar, a Russian lawmaker submitted a bill to the country’s parliament on Wednesday that would ban the use or possession of the American currency.

Mikhail Degtyarev, the lawmaker who proposed the bill, compared the dollar to a Ponzi scheme. He warned that the government would have to bail out Russians holding the U.S. currency if it collapsed.

“If the U.S. national debt continues to grow, the collapse of the dollar system will take place in 2017,” said Mr. Degtyarev, a member of the nationalist Liberal Democrat Party who was a losing candidate in Moscow’s recent mayoral election.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby steveo777 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:59 am

I walked down the hall today at work and saw a customer watching the news & telling the person next to him that "America has been black dick slapped". LOL
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LMAO!!!

Perhaps THIS should be my new Wallpaper!! :lol: :lol: :twisted:

Yeahright.....my Husband, the Republican, would freakin' DIVORCE me.... :o


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:07 am

Fact Finder wrote:And now all women can get FREE birth control....it only requires a $200/$300 a month ACA Policy. :shock:

Fucking nitwits floor me.


My daughter takes BC since her monthly cycle was extremely erratic prior to taking the drugs. We don't have to pay for it because of Obamacare and, even though it's technically saving us money, it pisses me off to no end that the government has mandated certain things be free to the consumer. The only problem with crap like this is they really just pass the additional cost of these things along to other things and it's part of the reason costs will continue to go up instead of down like Obama promised. :roll:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:23 am

Fact Finder wrote:Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., joins coalition supporting Sen. Mary Landrieu's bill to allow people to keep their insurance under original Obamacare promise - @SenLandrieu


Man, all these Dems suddenly throwing Barry under the bus...why? :lol:



Keeping their existing insurance means plans that Obamacare would outlaw... that sorta nullifies O'care doesn't it?

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:31 am

Boomchild wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Yea, and FDR is saddling our children with debt that can never be repaid blah blah. The GOP and Right Wing faction in this country has been peddling the same doomsday prediction for decades. Like all doomsday cults, they are not to be taken seriously.


I guess all the experts that show our government's spending is not sustainable are wrong and governments never turn on their own people.


Yeah, let's all just whistle through the graveyard... :roll:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:28 am

Fact Finder wrote:Who are these Democrats who would hold a gun to the Presidents head, they are acting like terrorists taking the Executive Branch Hostage....oh wait, that was Republicans during the shutdown...what will The Won do now, blame Bush?

God this is such fun to watch Monker, you enjoying it as much as I am? :D


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:18 am

Did they say if those old plans can be purchased at the same price? Insurance comapanies are faced with much higher expenses now, so I wonder if those same plans will necessarily have to cost more.

Again, the enrollment numbers are not the issue. The website is not the issue (except that it shows there is nothing the government can't screw up). The issues are 1. Forcing Americans into things they don't want or need, 2. The cost of the new plans, and 3. Far fewer full time jobs.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:10 am

I think most liberals want to see this thing crash in order to get single payer or they think none of this is an issue and everyone is making a big deal out of nothing.

Conservatives want it to crash and burn so we can go back.

Who will be the one to get their way? Time will tell. But when you have both sides rooting against something...
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:36 am

It will have to be repealed wither way..

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:14 am

I'm so sick and tired of this motherfucking asshole and his goddamn administration. As for why some dems are now tossing this shitbag under the bus is simply because they are preparing for the 2016 election, setting it up as though they had absolutely nothing to do with the last 8 years of completely total failures of OBozo and his clown posse administration.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:25 am

Fact Finder wrote:Ha! Can you say..slow.......motion......train......wreck?.....


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White House says it is leaving the option open to extend Obamacare fix for canceled plans beyond 2014 - @Reuters

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The issue with delaying it one year is that it will coincide with all the employer-sponsored cancelled plans. It will be a lot more than 5 million or so.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby verslibre » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:46 am

LMAO at that pic! And to think of ALL this shit Bill got for "I didn't inhale"...if they had a pic of him like that, he'd have never won.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:48 am

Fact Finder wrote:So...if you like your healthcare, you can now keep it...for a year...but........


Sounds like the website won't be fixed in two weeks and they desperately need people to STOP applying! :lol:


So in effect what he kept spouting off over and over is still a lie. You really can't keep what you like. He is only delaying when it goes into effect. I find it really hard to believe that he did not have prior knowledge of this as well as the issues with the ACA website. This is a centerpiece of his presidency and his run for POTUS. So he is either lying or he has really incompetent staff and advisers. It really seems that he is out of touch on what exactly is going on in his administration. This gives you a really comfortable feeling that we have a alert, hands on commander in chief doesn't it?
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