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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:31 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Boomchild wrote:As if him being a "professor" changes what he did in his past. The students are not personal friends with him, Obama is. Obviously you don't see the difference.



OoOoOoh scary. He must be behind Obama's radical dovish policies, such as proxy wars with Libya and Syria and our expanded Afghanistan presence. Get a clue. :roll:


No. Obama has his own ideas. But I'm sure they share similar ideals and agree on many things.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:14 am

slucero wrote:Don't watch either of those....

try again..

dude.



Riiiight. Suure. Alot of original thought going on here. Between your plagiarized blog posts and FF posting debunked photoshop pics,this thread is just a wellspring of diverse opinion. :roll:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:18 am

conversationpc wrote:Possibly the weakest argument I've ever seen you make here.


Yes, because dismissing context and hiding behind the mythological infallibility of the Founding Fathers is such a rock solid argument. :roll: All appointments to the National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau were blocked by the GOP. Enough is enough. Obama won, Obamacare is law of the land, the President has the right to nominate qualified officials - get over it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:21 am

steveo777 wrote:Republicans have too much integrity to try and manipulate elections the way the Dems have been doing!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ever hear of October surprise?
How about sabotaging LBJ Paris peace talks?
What happened to Republican IT specialist, Michael Connell after he testified about GOP election tampering in 2004?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:51 am

Officials overseeing the Vermont Health Connect website confirmed Friday there was a security breach on the system last month in which one user got improper access to another user’s Social Security number and other data.


Wow - two people actually got into the website??? :) I guess cause it was run by the state instead of the Fed.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:13 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
slucero wrote:Don't watch either of those....

try again..

dude.



Riiiight. Suure. Alot of original thought going on here. Between your plagiarized blog posts and FF posting debunked photoshop pics,this thread is just a wellspring of diverse opinion. :roll:



like I said.. I don't watch those channels..

And if this thread is so lacking in opinion.. your constant trolling in this thread can only mean you've run out of places that will even acknowledge your presence.. much less your lack of decorum.

There are only a few of us here after all ... and you are the odd man out..

Why not go find a liberal board (or thread) where you'd find more like minded folk? Why bother if you find it such a bother?

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:07 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Yes, because dismissing context and hiding behind the mythological infallibility of the Founding Fathers is such a rock solid argument. :roll: All appointments to the National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau were blocked by the GOP. Enough is enough. Obama won, Obamacare is law of the land, the President has the right to nominate qualified officials - get over it.


You forgot to mention that the ones that are opposed to the ACA or blocking the people he chooses to nominate WON their elections. The other thing is the 2nd amendment is also LAW so the liberals and democrats trying to change or get rid of that law should get over it? Right? At least according to your logic.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:13 am

slucero wrote:Why not go find a liberal board (or thread) where you'd find more like minded folk?


I didn't know MR.com only tolerates conservative viewpoints. Geez, I'll have to check with the webmaster on that one. Good to see conservative tolerance of opinion in action! :roll:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:30 am

Boomchild wrote:You forgot to mention that the ones that are opposed to the ACA or blocking the people he chooses to nominate WON their elections.


So? The GOP is blocking everything AND anything. As various news outlets reported - "1/2 of all filibusters a in Senate history have occurred since Obama was elected, only three dist. court such filibusters took place before he took office. Now its at 20."

These are not public servants motivated by principle and carrying out their public duty. It is just throwing a wrench in the Constitutional process to be a dick.

Boomchild wrote:The other thing is the 2nd amendment is also LAW so the liberals and democrats trying to change or get rid of that law should get over it? Right? At least according to your logic.


That depends on your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. The view that the Amendment protects the individual right to own a gun for private use is fairly recent, actually.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:41 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Boomchild wrote:You forgot to mention that the ones that are opposed to the ACA or blocking the people he chooses to nominate WON their elections.


So? The GOP is blocking everything AND anything. As various news outlets reported - "1/2 of all filibusters a in Senate history have occurred since Obama was elected, only three dist. court such filibusters took place before he took office. Now its at 20."

These are not public servants motivated by principle and carrying out their public duty. It is just throwing a wrench in the Constitutional process to be a dick.

Boomchild wrote:The other thing is the 2nd amendment is also LAW so the liberals and democrats trying to change or get rid of that law should get over it? Right? At least according to your logic.


That depends on your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. The view that the Amendment protects the individual right to own a gun for private use is fairly recent, actually.


Seems to me there has never been a time in our history where Americans did not own guns. So something must have been protecting that right. Maybe just having the gun in the first place is protection enough.

When needing to protect yourself from the criminal element becomes less critical than a few idiots shooting up public places, the debate will be a little more even. Until then, people are not going to give up the right to protect themselves. Just like guns are the American way, so is crime and violence.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:59 am

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The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah, to pay for self-centered un-American shitbags like you...tough guy.


Every posts of yours reads like the exact opposite of the plaque hanging inside the statue of liberty. Maybe you were playing with your Ipod when your boat arrived on Ellis island. I don't think there's anything more anti-American and anti-democratic than saying that poor people should be denied access to healthcare. I wouldn't be surprised if you are actually on all sorts of forms of government assistance. Kinda like the GOP hypocrites who rail against welfare queens, while squeezing every last milky drop out of the public teat in the form of big AG subsidies. Keep posting, slick. Your true deceptive character will soon be unmaksed.


How did these people become poor in the first place? Drugs, life of crime and corruption catching up with them? No motivation to get a career and work for a living?

The problem with America is the government does not honor the citizens who come from a line of the generations who built this country. Jobs, financial assistance, education, housing etc. should first be provided to people who were born in America and who's a 3rd and greater generation of who fought for this country in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and who's relatives were Americans during the Great Depression. If there is anything more left after these people are taken care of, fine, hand it out to the non-Americans.

But instead, the jobs, financial assistance, education, housing, etc. is prioritized for the people who are not even born here and the anchor baby situation too. This is why America has turned into a shitcan. What other country in the world takes it's own born citizens and kicks them to the curb like the American Government does to their own? I served this country, I was born in this country, I come from an American family who has direct lines of military service to this country which dates back and includes WWII, Korean War, Vietnam vets and I am a Persian Gulf vet as well. We are the citizens who the American Government now pushes aside each and every time they give preferential treatment to non-citizens. We are the citizens who built this country up to what it was. Yet we are the citizens who are now disregarded by the current American Leadership.

You want to talk about anti-American, what this government does now to it's own is nothing but anti-American.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:52 am

It's always odd to me that the same people that fight for amnesty and welfare are the same that fight for higher minimum wage. Those two, just by using simple math, cancel each other out.

Businesses as saying - we do not have enough people in the workforce, so we need illegal immigrants to fill int he gaps. Uh, bullshit. What they are really saying is we do not have enough cheap labor. We have plenty of people, but they want to make more than $5 an hour. And Welfare does just that for them. So it's more cost effective to sit at home than to work some of these lower paying jobs.

But what if people said no, we are not bringing in floods of new people and no, we will not be paying you to sit on your ass. Why, guess what - higher wages and more Americans working.

Sometimes, two plus two really does equal four.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:44 am

Memorex wrote:It's always odd to me that the same people that fight for amnesty and welfare are the same that fight for higher minimum wage. Those two, just by using simple math, cancel each other out.

Businesses as saying - we do not have enough people in the workforce, so we need illegal immigrants to fill int he gaps. Uh, bullshit. What they are really saying is we do not have enough cheap labor. We have plenty of people, but they want to make more than $5 an hour. And Welfare does just that for them. So it's more cost effective to sit at home than to work some of these lower paying jobs.

But what if people said no, we are not bringing in floods of new people and no, we will not be paying you to sit on your ass. Why, guess what - higher wages and more Americans working.

Sometimes, two plus two really does equal four.


Exactly. Prime example is Colin Powell. Powell got up there and publically claimed that illegals who he hires to do shit around his house are the lifeblood of this country. The fact of the matter is, these illegals don't pay for business licenses, insurance, taxes, etc. while the American citizens who do the same work by law have to pay for business licenses, insurance, taxes, etc. And people like Powell will pay the illegals to do work because it's cheaper for them to do it since they don't have all the overhead that the American citizens who do the same work have. Of course it's cheaper for Powell to get the illegals to do the work. American citizens can't afford to do the work cheaper because of the overhead by law that they are required to have.

That's the real deal in regards to illegals working in America, and that's also the deal when places like Home Depot import shitty cheap parts. Look at the recent Bay Bridge work that was done in San Francisco. The iron and bridge sections were made in China. WTF! The original iron and structure was made in America.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:04 am

So now OBozo is saying we can just deal with the health care providers directly without doing it through his "middle man" fucked up website.

I was standing in line at the post office a few days ago watching all these government employees dicking the dog in slow motion and I started thinking that after OBozocare is in full swing, going to the hospital will be no different then going to the post office or DMV. It will be a complete clusterfuck. And it's coming because in my area alone, they've built at least 5 Kaiser Permanente's. They're gearing up to make hospital care the biggest business outside of Taco Bell, McDonalds, Burger King, etc. That will be the biggest business in America, shit food and hospitals. And the 2016 Democrat campaign slogan will be "why not?" "You work only two days a week @ three hours a day and get paid $5,000 a month.....why not?" "You want to smoke drugs all night and sleep all day but live in a nice house with a nice car.....why not?"
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:57 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
conversationpc wrote:Possibly the weakest argument I've ever seen you make here.


Yes, because dismissing context and hiding behind the mythological infallibility of the Founding Fathers is such a rock solid argument. :roll: All appointments to the National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau were blocked by the GOP. Enough is enough. Obama won, Obamacare is law of the land, the President has the right to nominate qualified officials - get over it.


Who ever said the founding fathers were infallible? Why the hell do you think they provided for a way to amend the Constitution (not surpass it like Obama and Bush have)?

The President definitely has the right to nominate officials. I'll give you no argument there. What he doesn't (or shouldn't) have is the right to a completely unobstructed path to a carte-blanche approval by the Senate.

I love how you decry the conservatives here for their lack of original thought yet you display the same lack of original ideas on your side of the political spectrum.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:24 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:So? The GOP is blocking everything AND anything. As various news outlets reported - "1/2 of all filibusters a in Senate history have occurred since Obama was elected, only three dist. court such filibusters took place before he took office. Now its at 20."

These are not public servants motivated by principle and carrying out their public duty. It is just throwing a wrench in the Constitutional process to be a dick.


I'm sure liberals see it that way. As you would say, get over it.


The_Noble_Cause wrote:That depends on your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. The view that the Amendment protects the individual right to own a gun for private use is fairly recent, actually.


So tell me just how do you interpret it?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:42 am

NEWSMAX: The Affordable Care Act contains provisions for "death panels," which decide which critically-ill patients receive care and which won't, according to Mark Halperin, senior political analyst for Time magazine.

"It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled," Halperin told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:42 am

NEWSMAX: The Affordable Care Act contains provisions for "death panels," which decide which critically-ill patients receive care and which won't, according to Mark Halperin, senior political analyst for Time magazine.

"It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled," Halperin told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:46 am

Memorex wrote:
NEWSMAX: The Affordable Care Act contains provisions for "death panels," which decide which critically-ill patients receive care and which won't, according to Mark Halperin, senior political analyst for Time magazine.

"It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled," Halperin told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.


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I'd like to know what section of the bill spells this out. Personally, I think if you are going to make this claim you need to cite where the language is in the bill.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:23 am

OBozo and his clown posse administration ceases to amaze me, suggesting everyone spend their Thanksgiving thinking about OBozocare. Yeah, I'll be thinking about OBozocare when looking at that baked carcass of a stuffed turkey, because after this OBozocare kicks in, we're all going to end up like that turkey, stuffed and baked carcasses.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:59 am

Boomchild wrote:
Memorex wrote:
NEWSMAX: The Affordable Care Act contains provisions for "death panels," which decide which critically-ill patients receive care and which won't, according to Mark Halperin, senior political analyst for Time magazine.

"It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled," Halperin told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.


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I'd like to know what section of the bill spells this out. Personally, I think if you are going to make this claim you need to cite where the language is in the bill.


Well, there kind of already are. And don't argue with me about it because my dad goes to the VA, which he had to leave and get on Medical in order to get some treatment and my wife's grandfather was with the VA and he too had to go find other treatment. They do it in the form of denying care. There's no one siting there saying die, they just don't pay for costly procedures for people they don't deem worthy.

With the expansion of Medicare, this will only increase.

Seniors must enroll in Medicare to get Social Security. If you are turned down for a procedure through medicare, you are not allowed to pay out of pocket for that procedure unless the Dr. opts out of medicare or if you find a Dr. that does not take medicare.

Death panels, or rather the administering of death and misery, have been around a long time. But the private market didn't have the same issues. Now with all the regulations and the government deciding what can and must be covered, well... Can you guess the right answer?

77 million baby boomers are starting to enter the Medicare market. The costs, and therefore end of life care, will absolutely be controlled. Why change now?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:19 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
slucero wrote:Why not go find a liberal board (or thread) where you'd find more like minded folk?


I didn't know MR.com only tolerates conservative viewpoints. Geez, I'll have to check with the webmaster on that one. Good to see conservative tolerance of opinion in action! :roll:



...and sad to see you take an honest question out of context.


since we "all" comprise what is "MR", of course you have every right to be here, as do I.

But that's not what I asked you...

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:44 pm

Memorex wrote:Well, there kind of already are. And don't argue with me about it because my dad goes to the VA, which he had to leave and get on Medical in order to get some treatment and my wife's grandfather was with the VA and he too had to go find other treatment. They do it in the form of denying care. There's no one siting there saying die, they just don't pay for costly procedures for people they don't deem worthy.

With the expansion of Medicare, this will only increase.

Seniors must enroll in Medicare to get Social Security. If you are turned down for a procedure through medicare, you are not allowed to pay out of pocket for that procedure unless the Dr. opts out of medicare or if you find a Dr. that does not take medicare.

Death panels, or rather the administering of death and misery, have been around a long time. But the private market didn't have the same issues. Now with all the regulations and the government deciding what can and must be covered, well... Can you guess the right answer?

77 million baby boomers are starting to enter the Medicare market. The costs, and therefore end of life care, will absolutely be controlled. Why change now?


My comment is not an argument on whether this true or not. I'm simply stating that when people make statements about what the ACA will do, they should site where they found this language in the bill. It would better support what they are stating is true and people could look it up and conform it for themselves.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:57 am

Memorex wrote:Death panels, or rather the administering of death and misery, have been around a long time. But the private market didn't have the same issues.


Huh? Private insurance routinely limits and denies coverage all the time.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:06 am

Boomchild wrote:I'm sure liberals see it that way. As you would say, get over it.


There's nothing selective about the facts I posted. There's nothing especially "liberal" about it either. Routine Presidential appointments of qualified officials are being blocked by the GOP all the time. The modern day Rush Limbaugh/Teabagger/FOX News GOP has less in common with Barry Goldwater or William Buckley than they do with unabomber anarachists or Heath Ledger's Joker. You simply want to kill what's left of the paltry US safety net, and see the country go up in flames.

Boomchild wrote:So tell me just how do you interpret it?


Right now? I think it's a fig leaf for right wing whack jobs like you to shoot up Town Hall meetings and maim and debilitate people like Gabby Giffords. I'm sure FactFinder raised a cold PBR and celebrated that news as soon as it came over his AM radio. I have no respect for any of you filthy swine.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:47 am

OBozo says "Drink up kitties and enjoy your last supper this Thanksgiving, because by this time next year, the 2014 elections will be over and OBozocare will be in full cockswing by the time Thanksgiving 2014 rolls around and many will be left without enough earnings to pay for a Thanksgiving feast".

Even Bill Clinton knew this OBozocare was a glorified healthcare Ponzi scheme. Listen to him stumping it on youtube vids. He specifically states that in order for it to work, young people need to enroll in it. Yeah, because most young people require very little health care upkeep so they are paying into the system and not taking out of it. Clinton, OBozo, Pelosi, etc. etc. democrats are at the very top of the Ponzi pyramid, right below them are the low life scumbags who take out of the system and have not and will not put into the system. This leaves all the rest of us at the bottom of this scheme and it's the job of these Democrats such as OBozo, Clinton, Pelosi, etc. etc. to convince the taxpayers at the bottom of the Healthcare Pyramid Ponzi Scheme to vote for, enroll in, and pay for it.

Yeah, if OBozocare comes up in conversation during Thanksgiving, this is exactly what is going to be said about it and this current administration.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:49 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Even Bill Clinton knew this OBozocare was a glorified healthcare Ponzi scheme. Listen to him stumping it on youtube vids. He specifically states that in order for it to work, young people need to enroll in it. Yeah, because most young people require very little health care upkeep so they are paying into the system and not taking out of it.


That's how an insurance pool works - period! You fucking dumbass.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:53 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Even Bill Clinton knew this OBozocare was a glorified healthcare Ponzi scheme. Listen to him stumping it on youtube vids. He specifically states that in order for it to work, young people need to enroll in it. Yeah, because most young people require very little health care upkeep so they are paying into the system and not taking out of it.


That's how an insurance pool works - period! You fucking dumbass.


Having the Government run it like how they run the IRS makes it a completely different scheme altogether. Plus like life insurance, that is optional and it's not forced upon us to get by the government....yet.

So next the Government is going to make everyone pay for auto insurance regardless if they own a car and drive or not? If they can somehow bring in revenue (tax) they will.

OBozocare is just another way of the government extracting money from hard working Americans, with the perks of being able to choose and decide who pays what amount and to whom gets the healthcare. Plain and simple!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:16 am

So the Iran nuke deal has gone sour already. Fuck yeah....OBozo!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Memorex » Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:33 am

So now the open enrollment for business has been pushed back until after the election. This administration has become the most politically-motivated and manipulative power-hungry administration in my memory.

If you think something is good for the country, then stand behind it. Cowards.
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