President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[steveo777]

Here's the latest propaganda about Benghazi attack. This comes from the NY TImes.

"According to the in-depth report, the Times found no proof that al Qaeda or any international terrorist groups played any role in the assault, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

The six-part report goes on to say that an American-made video mocking Islam largely triggered the attack, which was not well-planned."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12 ... &gt1=43001

This is a disgusting liberal media attempt at damage control. Fortunately, there are some who will continue to hold feet to the fire until the truth comes out. Some of us already know what it is......another gun run to the enemy. The rooms in that embassy were mapped out and they knew exactly where the weaknesses were, but this whole attack was a distraction, while even darker deeds were carried out. Video mocking Islam, my ass. It was what the administration blamed it on to cover up what was really going on.

[Boomchild]

Here's the latest propaganda about Benghazi attack. This comes from the NY TImes.

"According to the in-depth report, the Times found no proof that al Qaeda or any international terrorist groups played any role in the assault, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

The six-part report goes on to say that an American-made video mocking Islam largely triggered the attack, which was not well-planned."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12 ... &gt1=43001

This is a disgusting liberal media attempt at damage control. Fortunately, there are some who will continue to hold feet to the fire until the truth comes out. Some of us already know what it is......another gun run to the enemy. The rooms in that embassy were mapped out and they knew exactly where the weaknesses were, but this whole attack was a distraction, while even darker deeds were carried out. Video mocking Islam, my ass. It was what the administration blamed it on to cover up what was really going on.

These fairy tales will grow as we edge closer to election time. BTW, Anybody know if the guy that created the video in question is still in jail or not?

[slucero]

Presenting The Definition Of Irony

[Boomchild]

Here's a recent interview with B.O.'s half brother with an Israeli newspaper.

“I remember that when I spoke with him about the heroes of Western culture he rolled his eyes impatiently."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01 ... n-culture/

[slucero]

"There's a sucker born every minute"

~David Hannum

Turns out the Antarctic ice shelf melt has been melting at the lowest rate lowest rate EVER recorded.

Press Release - Pine Island Glacier sensitive to climatic variability
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/press/press ... hp?id=2452

Issue date: 02 Jan 2014
Number: 01/2014

A new study published in Science this month suggests the thinning of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica is much more susceptible to climatic and ocean variability than at first thought. Observations by a team of scientists at British Antarctic Survey, and other institutions, show large fluctuations in the ocean heat in Pine Island Bay. The team discovered that oceanic melting of the ice shelf into which the glacier flows decreased by 50 per cent between 2010 and 2012, and this may have been due to a La Ninã weather event.

Pine Island Glacier has thinned continuously during past decades driven by an acceleration in its flow. The acceleration is thought to be caused by thinning of the floating ice shelf created as the glacier slides into the sea. Understanding the processes driving ice shelf thinning and the glacier’s response is key to assessing how much it will contribute to rising sea levels.

It’s now known that much of the thinning is due to a deep oceanic inflow of Circumpolar Deep Water (CDW) on the continental shelf neighbouring the glacier. This warmer water then makes its way into a cavity beneath the ice shelf melting it from below.

The passage of this warmer water was made easier by the unpinning of the ice shelf from an underwater ridge. The ridge had, in effect, acted as a wall preventing warmer water from getting to the thickest part of the shelf. This ungrounding event was one of the major driving forces behind the glacier’s rapid change.

In 2009, a higher CDW volume and temperature in Pine Island Bay contributed to an increase in ice shelf melting compared to the last time measurements were taken in 1994. But observations made in January 2012, and reported now in Science, show that ocean melting of the glacier was the lowest ever recorded. The top of the thermocline (the layer separating cold surface water and warm deep waters) was found to be about 250 metres deeper compared with any other year for which measurements exist.

This lowered thermocline reduces the amount of heat flowing over the ridge. High resolution simulations of the ocean circulation in the ice shelf cavity demonstrate that the ridge blocks the deepest ocean waters from reaching the thickest ice. So its presence enhances the ice shelf’s sensitivity to climate variability since any changes in the thermocline can alter the amount of heat filtering through.

The fluctuations in temperature recorded by the team may be explained by particular climatic conditions. In January 2012 the dramatic cooling of the ocean around the glacier is believed to be due to an increase in easterly winds caused by a strong La Ninã event in the tropical Pacific Ocean. Normally the winds flow from the west.

The observations suggest there is a complex interplay between geological, oceanographic and climatic processes. The study stresses the importance of both local geology and climate variability in ocean melting in this region.

Lead author, Dr Pierre Dutrieux, from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) said:

“We found ocean melting of the glacier was the lowest ever recorded, and less than half of that observed in 2010. This enormous, and unexpected, variability contradicts the widespread view that a simple and steady ocean warming in the region is eroding the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. These results demonstrate that the sea-level contribution of the ice sheet is influenced by climatic variability over a wide range of time scales.”

[b]Co-author, Professor Adrian Jenkins, also from BAS, added:

“It is not so much the ocean variability, which is modest by comparison with many parts of the ocean, but the extreme sensitivity of the ice shelf to such modest changes in ocean properties that took us by surprise. That sensitivity is a result of a submarine ridge beneath the ice shelf that was only discovered in 2009 when an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle mapped the seabed beneath the ice. These new insights suggest that the recent history of ice shelf melting and thinning has been much more variable than hitherto suspected and susceptible to climate variability driven from the tropics.”

Issued by the British Antarctic Survey Press Office.

MEANING..... global warming is NOT eroding it.

[Boomchild]

Staffers with at least one hospital in Northern Virginia turned away several patients this week due to confusion about Obamacare: Were the patients covered by insurance or not?

Some patients walked away when they learned that the hospital would be charging them hundreds of dollars for treatment because they couldn’t prove their enrollment in the federal health care system.

“They had no idea if my insurance was active or not,” one woman, Maria Galvez, said to The Daily Mail, outside the Inova Healthplex facility in Springfield, Va. So instead of paying the $500 or more for her needed chest x-ray, she left – untreated, the paper reported.

“The people in there told me that since I didn’t have an insurance card, I would be billed for the whole cost of the x-ray,” she said. “It’s not fair. You know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.”

Ms. Galvez said she had enrolled in Carefirst Blue Cross three days before Christmas, for $450 per month.

At the same time, she said, in The Daily Mail, “no one has sent me a bill.”

Ms. Galvez’s experience was shared by others.

A woman who asked to be published only by the name Mary said she couldn’t receive emergency services at the Inova Alexandria Hospital down the road, in Alexandria, Va., for the same reason.

“I had chest pains last night,” she said to The Daily Mail, on Thursday. “They took me in the emergency room. They told me they were going to admit me, but when I told them I hadn’t heard from my insurance company since I signed up, they changed their tune.”

She said that a nurse told her that her hospital bill would be at least $3,000 a day if she stayed, due to her inability to prove insurance coverage. Rather than stay and pay, she left.

“Should I be in the hospital? Probably,” she said, The Daily Mail reported. “Maybe it’s one of those borderline cases. I have to think that if I were really in danger, they wouldn’t give me the choice. But what if I think I’m covered and I’m really not? The emergency room bill is going to bad enough.”


Read more: http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/ ... z2pN5CEHF7

Glad to see Obamacare is "fixed".

[slucero]

Wait till the lawsuits come against the government from the families of people who die because they couldn't pay their premium...

[Boomchild]

Thought I would post this link here in case someone from B.O.'s administration monitors this forum. They can use this information to support their case about global warming.

"Next storm will bring 'mother lode' of freezing temps"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01 ... &gt1=43001

[steveo777]

Thought I would post this link here in case someone from B.O.'s administration monitors this forum. They can use this information to support their case about global warming.

"Next storm will bring 'mother lode' of freezing temps"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01 ... &gt1=43001

Shhhhh, the liberal Al Gore ass kissers are going to get mad.

[Boomchild]

Thought I would post this link here in case someone from B.O.'s administration monitors this forum. They can use this information to support their case about global warming.

"Next storm will bring 'mother lode' of freezing temps"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01 ... &gt1=43001

Shhhhh, the liberal Al Gore ass kissers are going to get mad.

Yesterday the temp here was -12 with windchill factored in. Saw a global warming supporter out wearing only shorts and a t-shirt.

[Boomchild]

Watched this interesting video from economist Ross Ashcroft. Anybody here familiar with this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHS ... mi2kzAjqRA

[Monker]

he's probably over in london where temps have been WAY above average.

Funny how some people are so self centered they think that GLOBAL climate change and GLOBAL warming only applies to their local weather.

Let me give you a clue. Polar ice shrinks dramatically due to global warming. Absence of polar ice means the jet stream can move to places it normally can't. The placement of the jet stream determines how far south cold arctic air can go....and how far north warm air can go.

So, now we end up with HUGE fluctuations....a winter not too long ago seemed almost nonexistent in the US...and Europe froze. Now we freeze and the winter Olympics in Europe may not have enough snow.

But, you'll keep your heads buried and ignore the global facts and big picture...because it's not what you WANT to believe.

Thought I would post this link here in case someone from B.O.'s administration monitors this forum. They can use this information to support their case about global warming.

"Next storm will bring 'mother lode' of freezing temps"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01 ... &gt1=43001

Shhhhh, the liberal Al Gore ass kissers are going to get mad.

Yesterday the temp here was -12 with windchill factored in. Saw a global warming supporter out wearing only shorts and a t-shirt.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Funny how some people are so self centered they think that GLOBAL climate change and GLOBAL warming only applies to their local weather.

Lmao. You go Monker.

[Memorex]

It's weird how no one can actually tie "global" anything to actual extreme weather, or increased extreme weather. They say things like Katrina and Sandy are more extreme and these things are increasing, but they are simply not. That is just a fact. There is no worse extreme weather now than there has been in the past, pattern-wise. We are not breaking records globally. The ice cap is back and fine a lot of the time, less at other times, more at others.

So is the earth warming? Maybe. Do I worry? Nope. I know weather has cycles. Period. Does man have an impact on the climate? Maybe, but since there has been zero increased extreme weather, maybe not.

I think people should worry far more about local health risks of smog an such than "the planet". The planet is just fine. Or as fine as it's going to be. The planet wasn't put here to support humans, you know? We just happen to come along.

Here is what is idiotic in my opinion. That global warming enthusiasts are so blind to the financial and political rape that happens over this stuff. That you think this is all out of concern for the planet and not just a way to control people and move money where they want it is far more absurd. That's who is blind. I can recognize that the planet changes and I can say well hell, don't build cities on the edge of this big frickin ocean that can change. Why can't you see the absolute scam that is taking place? That's the crime.

How long can you guys keep this up before you realize that life is not really any different now than all those years ago, including the snake-oil salesmen?

[slucero]

he's probably over in london where temps have been WAY above average.

Funny how some people are so self centered they think that GLOBAL climate change and GLOBAL warming only applies to their local weather.

Let me give you a clue. Polar ice shrinks dramatically due to global warming. Absence of polar ice means the jet stream can move to places it normally can't. The placement of the jet stream determines how far south cold arctic air can go....and how far north warm air can go.

So, now we end up with HUGE fluctuations....a winter not too long ago seemed almost nonexistent in the US...and Europe froze. Now we freeze and the winter Olympics in Europe may not have enough snow.

But, you'll keep your heads buried and ignore the global facts and big picture...because it's not what you WANT to believe.

Ah yes Monker.. we're supposed to believe you because you know so much more about global warming than the scientists at the British Antarctic Survey?

Press Release - Pine Island Glacier sensitive to climatic variability
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/press/press ... hp?id=2452

Issue date: 02 Jan 2014
Number: 01/2014

A new study published in Science this month suggests the thinning of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica is much more susceptible to climatic and ocean variability than at first thought. Observations by a team of scientists at British Antarctic Survey, and other institutions, show large fluctuations in the ocean heat in Pine Island Bay. The team discovered that oceanic melting of the ice shelf into which the glacier flows decreased by 50 per cent between 2010 and 2012, and this may have been due to a La Ninã weather event.

Pine Island Glacier has thinned continuously during past decades driven by an acceleration in its flow. The acceleration is thought to be caused by thinning of the floating ice shelf created as the glacier slides into the sea. Understanding the processes driving ice shelf thinning and the glacier’s response is key to assessing how much it will contribute to rising sea levels.

It’s now known that much of the thinning is due to a deep oceanic inflow of Circumpolar Deep Water (CDW) on the continental shelf neighbouring the glacier. This warmer water then makes its way into a cavity beneath the ice shelf melting it from below.

The passage of this warmer water was made easier by the unpinning of the ice shelf from an underwater ridge. The ridge had, in effect, acted as a wall preventing warmer water from getting to the thickest part of the shelf. This ungrounding event was one of the major driving forces behind the glacier’s rapid change.

In 2009, a higher CDW volume and temperature in Pine Island Bay contributed to an increase in ice shelf melting compared to the last time measurements were taken in 1994. But observations made in January 2012, and reported now in Science, show that ocean melting of the glacier was the lowest ever recorded. The top of the thermocline (the layer separating cold surface water and warm deep waters) was found to be about 250 metres deeper compared with any other year for which measurements exist.

This lowered thermocline reduces the amount of heat flowing over the ridge. High resolution simulations of the ocean circulation in the ice shelf cavity demonstrate that the ridge blocks the deepest ocean waters from reaching the thickest ice. So its presence enhances the ice shelf’s sensitivity to climate variability since any changes in the thermocline can alter the amount of heat filtering through.

The fluctuations in temperature recorded by the team may be explained by particular climatic conditions. In January 2012 the dramatic cooling of the ocean around the glacier is believed to be due to an increase in easterly winds caused by a strong La Ninã event in the tropical Pacific Ocean. Normally the winds flow from the west.

The observations suggest there is a complex interplay between geological, oceanographic and climatic processes. The study stresses the importance of both local geology and climate variability in ocean melting in this region.

Lead author, Dr Pierre Dutrieux, from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) said:

“We found ocean melting of the glacier was the lowest ever recorded, and less than half of that observed in 2010. This enormous, and unexpected, variability contradicts the widespread view that a simple and steady ocean warming in the region is eroding the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. These results demonstrate that the sea-level contribution of the ice sheet is influenced by climatic variability over a wide range of time scales.”

[b]Co-author, Professor Adrian Jenkins, also from BAS, added:

“It is not so much the ocean variability, which is modest by comparison with many parts of the ocean, but the extreme sensitivity of the ice shelf to such modest changes in ocean properties that took us by surprise. That sensitivity is a result of a submarine ridge beneath the ice shelf that was only discovered in 2009 when an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle mapped the seabed beneath the ice. These new insights suggest that the recent history of ice shelf melting and thinning has been much more variable than hitherto suspected and susceptible to climate variability driven from the tropics.”

Issued by the British Antarctic Survey Press Office.

[Boomchild]

"Antarctic sea ice hit 35-year record high Saturday"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cap ... -saturday/

[Monker]

Do you even understand what you are posting? First of all, this is not from the Science journal...it's filtered via another source...I'd love to read what was actually written in Science. But, you don't have that, do you?

Here's another perspective on what was written, which basically agrees with what I am saying...that changes in the wind direction (ie: the jetstream) via El Nino affect the melting of the ice.

http://www.washington.edu/news/2014/01/ ... d-glacier/

And, BTW, ocean currents themselves are highly dependent on how much the ice melts...because ice is freshwater, entering salt water. This changes the salinity and density of the ocean water, causing it to rise and sink accordingly, forcing the ocean currents...in fact, it is one of the driving factors. Therefore, again, global warming melts the ice, which changes the ocean currents, which changes how the ice melts from underneath (according to YOUR article), which then changes the climate....blah, blah, blah.

It's one complex system affecting another complex system affecting another, and another..etc...until things balance out. But, things CAN'T balance out because man keeps adding green house gases...which initiates all of the systems to change to compensate.

he's probably over in london where temps have been WAY above average.

Funny how some people are so self centered they think that GLOBAL climate change and GLOBAL warming only applies to their local weather.

Let me give you a clue. Polar ice shrinks dramatically due to global warming. Absence of polar ice means the jet stream can move to places it normally can't. The placement of the jet stream determines how far south cold arctic air can go....and how far north warm air can go.

So, now we end up with HUGE fluctuations....a winter not too long ago seemed almost nonexistent in the US...and Europe froze. Now we freeze and the winter Olympics in Europe may not have enough snow.

But, you'll keep your heads buried and ignore the global facts and big picture...because it's not what you WANT to believe.

Ah yes Monker.. we're supposed to believe you because you know so much more about global warming than the scientists at the British Antarctic Survey?

Press Release - Pine Island Glacier sensitive to climatic variability
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/press/press ... hp?id=2452

Issue date: 02 Jan 2014
Number: 01/2014

A new study published in Science this month suggests the thinning of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica is much more susceptible to climatic and ocean variability than at first thought. Observations by a team of scientists at British Antarctic Survey, and other institutions, show large fluctuations in the ocean heat in Pine Island Bay. The team discovered that oceanic melting of the ice shelf into which the glacier flows decreased by 50 per cent between 2010 and 2012, and this may have been due to a La Ninã weather event.

Pine Island Glacier has thinned continuously during past decades driven by an acceleration in its flow. The acceleration is thought to be caused by thinning of the floating ice shelf created as the glacier slides into the sea. Understanding the processes driving ice shelf thinning and the glacier’s response is key to assessing how much it will contribute to rising sea levels.

It’s now known that much of the thinning is due to a deep oceanic inflow of Circumpolar Deep Water (CDW) on the continental shelf neighbouring the glacier. This warmer water then makes its way into a cavity beneath the ice shelf melting it from below.

The passage of this warmer water was made easier by the unpinning of the ice shelf from an underwater ridge. The ridge had, in effect, acted as a wall preventing warmer water from getting to the thickest part of the shelf. This ungrounding event was one of the major driving forces behind the glacier’s rapid change.

In 2009, a higher CDW volume and temperature in Pine Island Bay contributed to an increase in ice shelf melting compared to the last time measurements were taken in 1994. But observations made in January 2012, and reported now in Science, show that ocean melting of the glacier was the lowest ever recorded. The top of the thermocline (the layer separating cold surface water and warm deep waters) was found to be about 250 metres deeper compared with any other year for which measurements exist.

This lowered thermocline reduces the amount of heat flowing over the ridge. High resolution simulations of the ocean circulation in the ice shelf cavity demonstrate that the ridge blocks the deepest ocean waters from reaching the thickest ice. So its presence enhances the ice shelf’s sensitivity to climate variability since any changes in the thermocline can alter the amount of heat filtering through.

The fluctuations in temperature recorded by the team may be explained by particular climatic conditions. In January 2012 the dramatic cooling of the ocean around the glacier is believed to be due to an increase in easterly winds caused by a strong La Ninã event in the tropical Pacific Ocean. Normally the winds flow from the west.

The observations suggest there is a complex interplay between geological, oceanographic and climatic processes. The study stresses the importance of both local geology and climate variability in ocean melting in this region.

Lead author, Dr Pierre Dutrieux, from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) said:

“We found ocean melting of the glacier was the lowest ever recorded, and less than half of that observed in 2010. This enormous, and unexpected, variability contradicts the widespread view that a simple and steady ocean warming in the region is eroding the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. These results demonstrate that the sea-level contribution of the ice sheet is influenced by climatic variability over a wide range of time scales.”

[b]Co-author, Professor Adrian Jenkins, also from BAS, added:

“It is not so much the ocean variability, which is modest by comparison with many parts of the ocean, but the extreme sensitivity of the ice shelf to such modest changes in ocean properties that took us by surprise. That sensitivity is a result of a submarine ridge beneath the ice shelf that was only discovered in 2009 when an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle mapped the seabed beneath the ice. These new insights suggest that the recent history of ice shelf melting and thinning has been much more variable than hitherto suspected and susceptible to climate variability driven from the tropics.”

Issued by the British Antarctic Survey Press Office.

[Monker]

"Antarctic sea ice hit 35-year record high Saturday"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cap ... -saturday/

I see...so explain to me how you can tell how thick this ice is from a satellite picture. Are you guys really this naive and ignorant of how things work?

Cold weather makes water freeze.

The thickness of the ice depends on how long the weather remains cold.

Since we have had year after year of warming weather, one year of 'record ice expansion' does not make up for 30 years or more of ice melt.

Yes, we are in a cooling trend. But, the cooling trends steadily do not cool as much as the previous one. And, the warming trends warm just a bit more. Therefore, things are warming up. It's not very hard to understand, if you actually try to think about it.

[Memorex]

Who ever said things have to balance out? We were lucky enough to thrive (thanks to warming by the way) on a planet that is just the right distance from its sun. How cold is too cold for the planet, how warm is too warm? I assure you the planet could care less about making all of us comfy.

This planet has gone through stage after stage of warming and cooling with no help from us. Why should we expect that it won't go back and forth forever (hint: it will).

Here's my issue. There is far too many politics and money wrapped in this issue. We have not yet seen any issues that should cause the poor people of this country to pay higher utility prices. Nothing is so extreme that we have to close entire plants and put people out of work. Nothing more dire is happening now than has happened since the beginning of time. So why ruin people's lives over it? And why cry wolf so much? Sandy was not unprecedented in the least. Neither was Katrina. But suddenly every single storm we have gets blamed on climate change.

Every single time an event happens, ask yourself if storms like these occurred before man? Before the industrial revolution. The answer, I assure you, is always yes and always with the same frequency, give or take. Always.

Like I've said before - I live in MN. Over 10,000 lakes. Lakes created by melting glaciers long, long, long before man. Much of our precious water? Brought here by comets. Not an earthly resource originally. We act like the earth put it here for us and it is supposed to be exactly a certain depth. Nope - we have just learned to live with what it has been is all. Doesn't mean it's meant to stay that way.

[slucero]

Do you even understand what you are posting? First of all, this is not from the Science journal...it's filtered via another source...I'd love to read what was actually written in Science. But, you don't have that, do you?

Here's another perspective on what was written, which basically agrees with what I am saying...that changes in the wind direction (ie: the jetstream) via El Nino affect the melting of the ice.

http://www.washington.edu/news/2014/01/ ... d-glacier/

And, BTW, ocean currents themselves are highly dependent on how much the ice melts...because ice is freshwater, entering salt water. This changes the salinity and density of the ocean water, causing it to rise and sink accordingly, forcing the ocean currents...in fact, it is one of the driving factors. Therefore, again, global warming melts the ice, which changes the ocean currents, which changes how the ice melts from underneath (according to YOUR article), which then changes the climate....blah, blah, blah.

It's one complex system affecting another complex system affecting another, and another..etc...until things balance out. But, things CAN'T balance out because man keeps adding green house gases...which initiates all of the systems to change to compensate.

hey it's not my article.. I didn't write it.. lol...


The abstract would appear to contradict you.... stating that the ice shelf melted less as a result of the "strong La Niña event"... blah blah blah..

Pine Island Glacier has thinned and accelerated over recent decades, significantly contributing to global sea-level rise. Increased oceanic melting of its ice shelf is thought to have triggered those changes. Observations and numerical modeling reveal large fluctuations in the ocean heat available in the adjacent bay and enhanced sensitivity of ice-shelf melting to water temperatures at intermediate depth, as a seabed ridge blocks the deepest and warmest waters from reaching the thickest ice. Oceanic melting decreased by 50% between January 2010 and 2012, with ocean conditions in 2012 partly attributable to atmospheric forcing associated with a strong La Niña event. Both atmospheric variability and local ice shelf and seabed geometry play fundamental roles in determining the response of the Antarctic Ice Sheet to climate.

[Memorex]

The biggest political gain in all of this is that they have voters on both sides arguing like they are scientists. Team spirit everyone! Meanwhile, bend over.

[Monker]

Well, I didn't say that....about 'extreme weather'. I said huge fluctuations. One year we have hardly any cold weather. The next we have record cold. One year we have hardly any hurricanes. The next we have a bunch of category 5's. THAT is what I said.

The ice cap is NOT back...that is a lie. Yes, there is a layer of ice but all of the years of heat have thinned it to the point where it doesn't STAY and get thicker.

If this is all a cycle...what is causing this cycle and at what predicted interval? Why is the 25yr heating/cooling cycle heating more and cooling less each cycle? If that trend is supposed to reverse, WHY will it reverse? Make a prediction....and gather the data to show you are right, or wrong.

One thing that people don't understand is this was all predicted back in the late 70's...and computer models confirmed and predicted the same thing. And, yeah, you are right...they were wrong. It's actually gotten worse QUICKER then those early models predicted.

Do I think I know everything about climate change? No....in fact I think that is impossible because of all the complicated systems that govern climate on the planet. But, it seems I know a lot more then most here who know nothing more then the political bullshit they have been fed from whichever political spectrum they believe.

It's weird how no one can actually tie "global" anything to actual extreme weather, or increased extreme weather. They say things like Katrina and Sandy are more extreme and these things are increasing, but they are simply not. That is just a fact. There is no worse extreme weather now than there has been in the past, pattern-wise. We are not breaking records globally. The ice cap is back and fine a lot of the time, less at other times, more at others.

So is the earth warming? Maybe. Do I worry? Nope. I know weather has cycles. Period. Does man have an impact on the climate? Maybe, but since there has been zero increased extreme weather, maybe not.

I think people should worry far more about local health risks of smog an such than "the planet". The planet is just fine. Or as fine as it's going to be. The planet wasn't put here to support humans, you know? We just happen to come along.

Here is what is idiotic in my opinion. That global warming enthusiasts are so blind to the financial and political rape that happens over this stuff. That you think this is all out of concern for the planet and not just a way to control people and move money where they want it is far more absurd. That's who is blind. I can recognize that the planet changes and I can say well hell, don't build cities on the edge of this big frickin ocean that can change. Why can't you see the absolute scam that is taking place? That's the crime.

How long can you guys keep this up before you realize that life is not really any different now than all those years ago, including the snake-oil salesmen?

[Monker]

The biggest political gain in all of this is that they have voters on both sides arguing like they are scientists. Team spirit everyone! Meanwhile, bend over.

I'm not a scientist...but I do know scientists who won't even talk about this publicly because of the politics involved.

[steveo777]

The biggest political gain in all of this is that they have voters on both sides arguing like they are scientists. Team spirit everyone! Meanwhile, bend over.

I'm not a scientist...but I do know scientists who won't even talk about this publicly because of the politics involved.

Because of the politics involved. That's all it is. All this green engergy and GW bullshit is all designed to fund special interest groups, provide loans and grants. All these programs are failures, but it is work around illegal money, that is legitimized through these scare tactics. Al Gore has made millions on this global money grab, thanks to lots of sheeple who fall for the ploy. I'm not buying any of it. The only thing I believe in is that each of us have a responsibility toward being nice to the planet, ie., don't litter, don't pollute and clean up your mess.

[Monker]

The biggest political gain in all of this is that they have voters on both sides arguing like they are scientists. Team spirit everyone! Meanwhile, bend over.

I'm not a scientist...but I do know scientists who won't even talk about this publicly because of the politics involved.

Because of the politics involved. That's all it is. All this green engergy and GW bullshit is all designed to fund special interest groups, provide loans and grants. All these programs are failures, but it is work around illegal money, that is legitimized through these scare tactics.

You are just flat out wrong and are buying into the political bullshit that one side wants to sell you.

Al Gore has made millions on this global money grab, thanks to lots of sheeple who fall for the ploy. I'm not buying any of it. The only thing I believe in is that each of us have a responsibility toward being nice to the planet, ie., don't litter, don't pollute and clean up your mess.

And, you are one of the 'sheeple' for the other side.

BTW, i have never been one to side with Al Gore. he and others have made some very outrageous and irresponsible statements. However, you are just as irresponsible as Al Gore to say that Global Warming is bullshit, when it is CLEARLY not.

[Monker]

Who ever said things have to balance out? We were lucky enough to thrive (thanks to warming by the way) on a planet that is just the right distance from its sun. How cold is too cold for the planet, how warm is too warm? I assure you the planet could care less about making all of us comfy.

It's just hard for me to believe people are this ignorant.

YES, everything DOES have to balance out. That is the way every complex system works, especially when one affects another, and another and another.

You are wrong about "just the right distance from the sun". Both Venus and Mars are also within the Goldilocks zone in our solar system. The difference is the atmosphere, as I said. Take some of Venus' atmosphere and add it to Mars and you would have three habital planets in our solar system.

This planet has gone through stage after stage of warming and cooling with no help from us. Why should we expect that it won't go back and forth forever (hint: it will).

Sure it has...but the climate has not changed at such an accelerated rate in its entire history...unless some world wide disaster happened. So, it will change again, when a giant meteor hits, or Yellowstone erupts, or whatever. But, it will not 'naturally' change back...HUMANITY is changing it by adding green house gases to the atmosphere. What natural cycle will change this? Explain it, predict it, gather data to prove it. That is how science works, not by some kinda guesswork like you are doing.

Here's my issue. There is far too many politics and money wrapped in this issue. We have not yet seen any issues that should cause the poor people of this country to pay higher utility prices.

9/11 was a big enough issue for me. Not just for our climate but for our national security, we should not be using ANY oil as a fuel.

But, i guess that's another topic.

You are right though. People are in general ignorant and the only way we will get off our oil addiction is when it becomes too expensive to burn and other fuel becomes cheaper. Only then will we make the change. Sad, really.

So why ruin people's lives over it?

People lives are already being ruined over it...just not in the US. I guess it will only matter when it affects this country in undeniable horrible ways. The problem is, by then it will be too late.

And why cry wolf so much? Sandy was not unprecedented in the least. Neither was Katrina. But suddenly every single storm we have gets blamed on climate change.

I agree. But, it's no more silly than saying, "Gee, it's so cold in the middle of winter where I live." and thinking that is evidence against it.

Like I've said before - I live in MN. Over 10,000 lakes. Lakes created by melting glaciers long, long, long before man.

So, you believe man is less then 10,000 years old?

Much of our precious water? Brought here by comets.

not necessarily. There are other theories, including meteors. And, why is our water not locked below the surface, like Mars? There are a lot of uncertainties here.

Not an earthly resource originally.

that depends on what you mean. Earth was obviously formed by the same stuff that has always contained water; comets and meteors and dust, etc that exist today...all of which exist today. So, it is likely that water has always been a part of Earth's composition. The early Earth was probably too hot to keep liquid water so any surface water evaporated into space...but it is likely that some remained under the surface, like Mars. And, as you admit, it was also being replaced by more comets and meteors, etc.

[quote We act like the earth put it here for us and it is supposed to be exactly a certain depth. Nope - we have just learned to live with what it has been is all. Doesn't mean it's meant to stay that way.[/quote]

of course it's not going to 'stay that way'. But, why should we accelerate it and change our planet to be more like Venus. That is just silly. It's like thinking a platypus looks cool, so you are going to go and have plastic surgery to make yourself look like a platypus. not the smartest thing to do.

[steveo777]

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/60255

8 Things liberals do to avoid having an honest debate:

1.) Ad Hominem (Name-Calling aka “You’re a Racist!” etc.)
2.) Distracting (aka “Pivoting” aka “Changing the Subject”)
3.) Somebody Else Did It Before (aka Two Wrongs Make a Right)
4.) Obama Doesn’t Know What’s Going On (Or Did I Do That?)
5.) It’s a Far-Right Conspiracy (Or The Koch Brothers Did It)
6.) You Heard That on Faux News
7.) Argumentum Ad Misericordium (Or “Do it for the Children”)
8.) It’s Bush’s Fault

[Boomchild]

Here's my issue. There is far too many politics and money wrapped in this issue. We have not yet seen any issues that should cause the poor people of this country to pay higher utility prices. Nothing is so extreme that we have to close entire plants and put people out of work. Nothing more dire is happening now than has happened since the beginning of time. So why ruin people's lives over it? And why cry wolf so much? Sandy was not unprecedented in the least. Neither was Katrina. But suddenly every single storm we have gets blamed on climate change.

Because there is big, BIG money to be made in the alternative\green energy sector. Not to mention a way for the Federal Government to create a "carbon tax" to collect more taxes. I am sure they won't stop there either. And yet it seems that the B.O. administration can't even pick the right companies that are promising these alternatives. So many of them have failed and cost the government huge amount of dollars without positive results.

[Monker]

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/60255

8 Things liberals do to avoid having an honest debate:

1.) Ad Hominem (Name-Calling aka “You’re a Racist!” etc.)
2.) Distracting (aka “Pivoting” aka “Changing the Subject”)
3.) Somebody Else Did It Before (aka Two Wrongs Make a Right)
4.) Obama Doesn’t Know What’s Going On (Or Did I Do That?)
5.) It’s a Far-Right Conspiracy (Or The Koch Brothers Did It)
6.) You Heard That on Faux News
7.) Argumentum Ad Misericordium (Or “Do it for the Children”)
8.) It’s Bush’s Fault

Oh, please, a person can say the exact same things about the other side by changing words just slightly.

There is only ONE game being played in politics. The Blame, Shame, and Victim game. "Whah, he's saying/doing/ all these mean, cruel, and wrong things...he is such a closet Muslim/communist/marxist/racist, etc. We are such victims of it...vote for me and I will save us from him! Now, I'll whine and cry some more at my next speach/commercial, etc :,("

And, it applies to both sides...that's the only game.

Whatever...if all you can do is pay attention to the problem, then you are part of the problem and a whiney, immature, victim. What SHOULD matter is what is being said about the SOLUTION...but no politician talks about that - because it's not dramatic and emotion stirring, and therefore attention getting...and those who pay too much attention to solutions, lose elections...unless they are very skillful at doing it.

[Boomchild]

So the ACA website was supposed to be "fixed". Well.....not so much.

Dad ‘Furious’ After He Switches to Obamacare Only to Find It Didn’t Cover His Children

“Ohioans who applied for health care benefits on the federal website (http://www.Healthcare.gov) but were denied because that system determined they might be eligible for Ohio Medicaid instead were notified by the federal government that an application was forwarded on their behalf to Ohio to determine Medicaid eligibility,” a fact sheet from the state about the issue explained. “However, because of glitches in Healthcare.gov, the federal government did not transfer those applications to the State.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/10/dad-furious-after-he-switches-to-obamacare-only-to-find-it-wont-cover-his-children/