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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:07 am

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slucero wrote:Talk about ironic...

The US is now gonna target the very same extremists Obama was arming across the border in Syria....



Yeppers, our own weapons will be used against us.. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Maybe the Dems will FINALLY learn the difference between winning a war and ending a war.


First of all Al Qaeda and the Taliban were funded and supported by the US under both Reagan and the first Bush.

Second, Iraq was a war that should have never been started. Perhaps you forget that Saddam gassed his own people? Now you know why...and why Saddam was not loved by Islamic extremists, or Iran...he kept them in line and balanced the power in the region. Not that he was a righteous dude....but having him in power served a purpose.

Iraq was not a terrorist threat, or a possible Islamic state, until the Republicans felt we would be welcomed in as liberators and the 'war' would be over in a few weeks. What is happening now is inevitable. We either stay there for eternity and baby sit the country...or we let them fight it out.

IMO, we should stay out of it and let them kill each other until they figure it out...spend the money it would cost for the continued involvement on converting the country to alternative fuels.

And, as I have said since before the war even started, this is just one more reason for us to get over our oil addiction. THAT is the true national security issue here.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:44 am

Fact Finder wrote:Iran Deploys Quds Forces To Support Iraqi Troops, Helps Retake Most Of Tikrit

International Business Times
06/12/2014
By Howard Koplowitz


In a stunning development that threatens to further destabilize the Middle East, Iran has deployed an elite unit of its Revolutionary Guard to help the Iraqi government take on ISIS, the Sunni militant group that has seized several areas in the northern part of the country.


Just a thought, I wonder if this just has been a false flag operation to promote unity between Iran and Iraq?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:48 am

Monker wrote:IMO, we should stay out of it and let them kill each other until they figure it out...spend the money it would cost for the continued involvement on converting the country to alternative fuels.

And, as I have said since before the war even started, this is just one more reason for us to get over our oil addiction. THAT is the true national security issue here.


Wow, this has got be the first time I actually agree with something you've said.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby verslibre » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:11 pm

Monker wrote:IMO, we should stay out of it and let them kill each other until they figure it out...spend the money it would cost for the continued involvement on converting the country to alternative fuels.


^^^This! And for fuck's sake, let's legalize prostitution. I'm serious!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:00 am

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-alarmed ... 05368.html

You know what? Im so sick of reading this Fuc*ing SH*T!!! Blame whoever you want. The Left will continue to blame the former presidents until the left is no more. So we know that will never stop. They have thier heads to far up Obama's ass to see it doesnt really matter whos fault it is anymore. Isnt the person in charge usually "In Charge" ? Arent they the ones that have the final say. Arent they really supposed to be in control? Thats the way Ive always thought it was. If your in charge than no one is above you. Ultimately then you are responsible IF your in charge. That seems to be how it is now. He is doing as he pleases and damn what everyone else says or how it effects them. IM IN CONTROL.

So if thats the case why isnt the person in control responsible for what happens? Arent those under the person in control supposed to be told what to do and arent they supposed to tell the person in charge what they are doing? isnt that how a chain of command works. People dont go every which way and do whatever they want, do they? If they do then the person in control isnt really in control or in charge.

So IF your in charge than fuc* Ups ARE your fault. Your supposed to know whats going on. Unless your dishonest, incompetent and a coward. Or maybe you dont really care about anyone but yourself. Maybe your narcissistic? You know like a God complex or Im the king and only my way is the right way. Anyway.....

Like I said This B.S. has got to be stopped. Someone has to have the balls to make it stop. Why arent they? The Middle East is a lost cause!!

WHY do we believe ANYTHING these people say or tell us. We all know that their supreme goal, their destiny, their objective Is world domination. We know that is what they are killing/fighting for. In their eyes there is ONLY one way. Islam! You submit or you die. Some here dont want to or refuse to believe that. Just look at the middle east and tell me their goal isnt to take over it all. And then what? Look at Europe. Its happening there too. Slowly but surely it is happening. Look at South America. The levels of Islamic immigrants have increased tremendously in the past few years. Why? Maybe because they are able to enter America without any problem. C'mon in, the guy in charge says we cant stop you. Our borders are pretty much open now!! Governments are losing control and instead of standing up for their own people are giving in to it all. Population levels and Immigration levels of middle east persons continue to grow , many times that of other races. It IS a slow take over. And it WILL NOT stop unless governments take charge. But there are too many cowards in Government to do the right thing. So we continue to support, or governments do. And they, those in charge sadly think they wont get hurt. That they will be immune. ;) Their day will come. But we continue to support it all Or at least the governments do. Why? If someone like me can see that the ultimate goal is complete control, surely the people "In Charge" can see it too.

Sadly most of America knows nothing about all this. Their government and the media keep the bad stuff from them. So whether its an imminent invasion of some kind by some other nation, an act of terrorism, an EMP, solar flares or whatever the Fu*k you want it to be. Shit is coming. Deny it if you want. Hide your head in the sand.

And it DOESNT really matter who is saying it. This stuff IS happening, Shit is falling apart around the world. In many ways and there is no stopping it. When you can no longer live your life its not really going to matter is it? Go ahead ignore it, deny it. After all its only the future of America. The future of your family. Why would you Not do everything you possible can to make their lives better? Denial is refusal to admit the truth or reality.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:19 am

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In 2007, President George W. Bush warned that if America withdrew prematurely from Iraq, American troops would eventually have to return:

"To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready … would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous."



and here we are..


Heres the link: http://www.aei-ideas.org/2014/06/bush-w ... n-in-iraq/

My God. With so much intel and technology they have to be able to see what can possibly happen in the future. And you would think once anything anywhere near that possibility started to happen they would act. They knew, they know what kind of people these barbarians are. They have known it for decades/centuries. And its been allowed to grow, as it is now. :(
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:27 am

Fact Finder wrote:The Peace President is starting to leave a legacy of war...


Authorizing the assassination of American citizens, droning goat farmers taking a leak outside their Pashtun hut...yea, he's a regular Ghandi, isn't he? :roll: :roll:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:17 am

verslibre wrote:
Monker wrote:IMO, we should stay out of it and let them kill each other until they figure it out...spend the money it would cost for the continued involvement on converting the country to alternative fuels.


^^^This! And for fuck's sake, let's legalize prostitution. I'm serious!


Why not? If women want control of their own bodies, men should also have control of there's...or the freedom to an outlet for their lack of control. And, I don't give a damn if two people decide to exchange money to express their sexual freedom.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:04 am

Arent you tired of helping the middle east? I know I am. Their not our allies. Well maybe some were decades ago. Not now though. The only Real Allie in the middle east is Israel. Just look at ALL we have done, all that has been given and taken from the USA. The past 12 years or more we have done so much to help those people have a better life. Whether it be the one we want them to have or they want. We have tried to give them that. But look at where it is now.

All those years and it is still chaos. There is No stability. There is no Real government in control. Only the bad. Only the evil. Only those that want to kill and destroy each other and us. Why, WHY do we need to help them? What do we Really need from them? Really? All these years and they are no better off now than when we started trying to help them. It just keeps getting worse. And it is spreading.

Except for Israel, I have ZERO sympathy for the middle east. None! Here is a question for someone here. When the bad people have taken complete control, remember they WONT stop until they are in complete control or ALL dead. When the bad people have complete control, do you honestly believe they will be happy and stop? Again, REALLY? No, they will then concentrate more on Europe and the USA.

We all know they have been in South America for a while and no one is able to stop them from crossing into America. So what then? If We cant stop the evil and crazy people over there, how will we stop them when they are here? Our borders ARE NOT secure.

Does anyone else beside me believe they will never stop?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:53 am

What does the middle east have that we need? Seriously?

Oil.

Until the United States ends its addiction to oil we will always have an interest in the middle east. End our addiction and we'll have no need for a supplier.

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trekman wrote:Arent you tired of helping the middle east? I know I am. Their not our allies. Well maybe some were decades ago. Not now though. The only Real Allie in the middle east is Israel. Just look at ALL we have done, all that has been given and taken from the USA. The past 12 years or more we have done so much to help those people have a better life. Whether it be the one we want them to have or they want. We have tried to give them that. But look at where it is now.

All those years and it is still chaos. There is No stability. There is no Real government in control. Only the bad. Only the evil. Only those that want to kill and destroy each other and us. Why, WHY do we need to help them? What do we Really need from them? Really? All these years and they are no better off now than when we started trying to help them. It just keeps getting worse. And it is spreading.

Except for Israel, I have ZERO sympathy for the middle east. None! Here is a question for someone here. When the bad people have taken complete control, remember they WONT stop until they are in complete control or ALL dead. When the bad people have complete control, do you honestly believe they will be happy and stop? Again, REALLY? No, they will then concentrate more on Europe and the USA.

We all know they have been in South America for a while and no one is able to stop them from crossing into America. So what then? If We cant stop the evil and crazy people over there, how will we stop them when they are here? Our borders ARE NOT secure.

Does anyone else beside me believe they will never stop?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:13 pm

This country has ignored violence and atrocities all over the world since its creation. It is only when it serves a political purpose do we do anything about it.

It is arrogant and crazy to assume we can invade a country that is basically an enemy of fundamentalist Islam in the region, try to replace that dictatorship with a "democracy" and believe that anything good will come out of it. So, that "democracy" votes in one fundamentalist power, and another fundamentalist power starts to take it over, and yet another replaces it.

It was a stupid, crazy, idea to think that a people are ready for a self-serving democracy when they are unwilling to fight for it themselves from day one. The US is the one who wants it. MAYBE some of our allies want it...but do not want it bad enough to sacrifice soldiers in the numbers that we have, or spend the $'s that we have.

It crazy that people who spout off about "conservative" ideas want to spend trillions more $'s and hundreds or thousands of more casualties of American soldiers for so little gain, so little gratitude from the country they are "rescuing" from themselves.

Iraq was a pointless war without any real reason for starting...and now one of the excuses for starting it is now the greatest threat, Iraq as a terrorist state. It is ironic that the fear mongering Republicans created the very thing they were inventing to scare the country into war...and are now doing it again.

Fact Finder wrote:Andrew, forgive me, but this video came from the Daily Mail and is very important. It's an ISIL propaganda video from these past few days in Iraq. It's an hour long video of their takeover and massacre in Northern Iraq.

WARNING GRAPHIC

Anyone who says that we need to just ignore this and let the crazy Muslims just kill each other are crazy. They will kill you next. There is no playing nice with this bunch, AT ALL!

Monker, you are dead wrong about us being not welcome as liberators because most all normal Iraquis wanted and loved us protecting them from this kind of shit. The people you see being killed here are the very people who helped us run these rats out of town. Now that we're gone they are back with a vengeance, worse than cock roaches and deadlier than the plague.

AGIAN """"WARNING""" watch at your own capacity to do so because shit is real, this ain't no movie folks

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:11 pm

Isnt there enough oil in America and other places to keep us supplied, so we dont need it from the middle east?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:32 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Anyone who says that we need to just ignore this and let the crazy Muslims just kill each other are crazy. They will kill you next. There is no playing nice with this bunch, AT ALL!


Personally I think the problem is that even when we get involved militarily it's not effective in the long term. I feel it's because our military is bogged down with so much P.C. crap. The troops can't easily determine or much less know who the actual enemies are. The only way the problem will ultimately be solved is if they stand up for themselves and crush the Islamic extremists on their own accord. As far as them killing us, that's a separate issue. But due to the fact that our current government's concern about not wanting to offend anyone it hinders the ability to flush out the dangers here in America.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:58 pm

I’m sick of being labeled an Islamophobe for stating the truth - Allen West.

A week ago Barack Hussein Obama stated that the “world is less violent” during a Tumblr interview session – as his acolytes lapped it up. Is he really that clueless?

Islamic terrorist group al-Shabab proves it so. According to Yahoo News, Dozens of extremists (i.e. Islamic terrorists) attacked a Kenyan coastal town for hours, killing those who couldn’t answer questions about Islam and those who didn’t know the Somali language, officials and witnesses said Monday.

At least 48 people were killed and two hotels were set on fire. The assault in Mpeketoni began Sunday night as residents watched World Cup matches on TV and lasted until early Monday, with little resistance put up by Kenya’s security forces. Cars and buildings still smoldered at daybreak.

Just as a reminder, this violence is brought to you by the same jihadists who attacked Nairobi’s Westgate Mall last year — 67 people were killed last September when four al-Shabab gunmen attacked the upscale mall in the Kenyan capital.

And just like those barbaric savages then, the Mpeketoni attackers gave life-or-death religious tests, a witness said, killing those who were not Muslim.

“They came to our house at around 8 p.m. and asked us in Swahili whether we were Muslims. My husband told them we were Christians and they shot him in the head and chest,” said Anne Gathigi. Another resident, John Waweru, said his two brothers were killed because the attackers did not like that the brothers did not speak Somali.

At the Breeze View Hotel, the gunmen pulled the men aside and ordered the women to watch as they killed them, saying it was what Kenyan troops are doing to Somali men inside Somalia, a police commander said.

The Interior Ministry said that at about 8 p.m. Sunday, two minivans entered the town. Militants disembarked and began shooting. Kenya’s National Disaster Operations Center said military surveillance planes were launched shortly afterward.

It’s come to a certain point where I don’t blame these animals anymore. I blame us. They sense weakness and only respect strength, power, and might.

You know what I’m sick of? I am sick of the apologists, weaklings, and coexist bumper sticker crowd who sit back and allow this to happen.

I am sick of people telling us to not offend Muslims and that these are just the actions of those who are perverting Islam. I’m sick of Barack Hussein Obama supporting Islamists. I’m sick of us allowing this theocratic-political totalitarian ideology to infiltrate Western Civilization and turn our laws against us as they masquerade as a religion. I’m sick of tolerance becoming a one-way street leading to our cultural suicide.

I’m sick of being labeled as an “Islamophobe” for speaking the truth. I am sick of hearing we are not at war with Islam, yet their actions tell me that it has been and continues to be at war with us — Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb.

I am sick of an American pastor, Saeed Abedini being held in Iran for being a Christian. I am sick of a Sudanese Christian woman, Meriam Ibrahim, who is married to a naturalized American citizen and mother of two American children being held in a Sudanese prison because of her faith — sentenced to 100 lashes and death. I’m sick of hashtag diplomacy and empty rhetoric as a response to Islamic terrorists kidnapping Christian Nigerian girls and burning boys to death.

I’m sick of reading about Christians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Copts, being slaughtered by the so called “religion of peace” — what utter bovine excrement.

I’m sick of the Muslim Brotherhood and its affiliated groups operating freely in America and U.S. political officials allowing if not encouraging it. I’m sick of CAIR being able to wield political influence in our country and censor women like Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Brigitte Gabriel who have suffered under the intolerant hands of Islamism — and hearing nothing from liberal progressives who tout a “War on Women.”

I’m sick of people worrying about jihadists taken off the battlefield and held at a freakin’ five-star facility like GITMO with top notch medical treatment and cable TV while Americans captured by the enemy are brutally tortured, and ritually beheaded. I’m sick of cowards who release the enemy’s leadership and try to convince the American people they are not a threat.

I’m sick of these bastards believing they can taunt and threaten our nation while we sit back and fools like John Kerry talk about climate change being a global threat — and want to ask Iran for assistance in Iraq. Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism and has the blood of American troops on its hands.

Yep, I’ve had it and will be relentless in defeating Islamic totalitarianism. Sir Winston Churchill tried to warn England of the threat of Naziism — of course the country initially sided with Chamberlain. And so history is repeating itself. Warning to liberal progressive socialists: stand clear lest you find yourself declared an ally with these barbarians. I am looking for brave Americans to enjoin this battle. This is not about killing them all, just killing the ones who need killing — since that is all they understand.

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:54 am

Liberal Obama loving MSNBC called Beck Loony and said he was having “delusional ravings, when HE talked about this. Now 3 years later they are talking about it. It hasnt been the first and Wont be the last time lamestream media will do this. They are just like a large majority of America that refuse to believe even when proven wrong. :(

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:02 pm

trekman wrote:Liberal Obama loving MSNBC called Beck Loony and said he was having “delusional ravings, when HE talked about this. Now 3 years later they are talking about it. It hasnt been the first and Wont be the last time lamestream media will do this. They are just like a large majority of America that refuse to believe even when proven wrong. :(

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06 ... nt-page-2/


That's funny, because I distinctly remember Glenn Beck on the radio comparing Bush to Lincoln and being a staunch supporter of invading Iraq, back when it was an Al Qaeda free zone. Shame he didn't get the BIG details correct back when it actually mattered. :roll:

I also remember MSNBC when it was a RIGHT wing channel with The Scarborough Report, The (very briefly lived) Michael Savage show, Tucker Carlson, Monica Crowley, and many more Conservative blowdried blowhards. All of these shows, like Beck, cheer-leaded for the invasion. The lone MSNBC liberal show at the time, Phil Donahue, was cancelled for being anti-Iraq war.

You may want to try some calisthenics for the mind..your memory of Beck and recent history is selective at best and pretty fuzzy.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:57 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote: back when it was an Al Qaeda free zone.


And your source that proves that there wasn't Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq is?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:35 pm

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The_Noble_Cause wrote: back when it was an Al Qaeda free zone.


And your source that proves that there wasn't Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq is?


Well, in that case, fuck it. Nothing in Iraq has changed. Only in a free democracy could the Sunnis and Shias engage in a violent civil war. I think it is a beautiful thing. :roll:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:08 am

Fact Finder wrote:The StoOpid....it HURTS!!!

Michelle Obama: Immigrants Just Like Founding Fathers, Not 'Born American'

First Lady Michelle Obama reminded attendees of a naturalization ceremony Wednesday that the Founding Fathers weren’t born in America.

The ceremony for 50 new U.S. citizens was held at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

“It’s amazing that just a few feet from here where I’m standing are the signatures of the 56 Founders who put their names on a Declaration that changed the course of history,” she said during her speech, referring to the Declaration of Independence. “And like the 50 of you, none of them were born American – they became American.”

Obama pointed out that the Founding Fathers pledged their lives and risked everything to create the United States of America after signing the Declaration of Independence.

“Just like you’re about to pledge allegiance to our flag, they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to this extraordinary idea that we now know as America – the notion that we are all created equal, endowed with fundamental rights and freedoms that no one can ever take away from us,” she said.

The First Lady explained that the Founding Fathers were “Americans-by-choice” just like the newly declared citizens.

“As the newest 'Americans-by-choice,' you, too, will play an important part in shaping our history,” she continued.

Immigrants, she explained, were essential to the continued growth of the United States.

“I know this is an exciting, hopeful time for all of you, but it’s also an exciting, hopeful time for our country,” she said. “Because the fact is, America needs you.”

Obama also reminded the new citizens of their importance to the historic character that immigrants brought to the country.

“Immigration is at the heart of how we developed as a nation,” she said. “In every generation, immigrants have earned their place as part of 'We the People.'”





I believe 48 of the 56 signers to the Declaration were born here on American soil. (not going to look it up) America was here before the Declaration, it was subject to the British Crown. The Declaration established America as independent of Britian, all hell was breaking loose, we kicked Brit ass, and thus was born the United States of America. George Fucking Washington was born in Virginia Mooshelle, not to far from where you now live honey. Maybe you should head down to Mt. Vernon sometime and learn a bit of the history you seem to want to re-write.


Are you REALLY this fucking stupid? She said they were "not born American". She's right. When George Washington was born, he was not born American....regardless of WHERE he was born. The USA did NOT EXIST when he was born. He BECAME an American when the country was established.

Get your head out of your ass and maybe stop being so quick to insult those who your political cohorts have trained you to hate at any cost.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:11 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote: back when it was an Al Qaeda free zone.


And your source that proves that there wasn't Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq is?


Well, in that case, fuck it. Nothing in Iraq has changed. Only in a free democracy could the Sunnis and Shias engage in a violent civil war. I think it is a beautiful thing. :roll:


A Democratic system of government in the Middle East is a pipe dream. Not gonna happen. At least in how Americans think of democracy.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:20 am

Fact Finder wrote:I believe 48 of the 56 signers to the Declaration were born here on American soil. (not going to look it up) America was here before the Declaration, it was subject to the British Crown. The Declaration established America as independent of Britian, all hell was breaking loose, we kicked Brit ass, and thus was born the United States of America. George Fucking Washington was born in Virginia Mooshelle, not to far from where you now live honey. Maybe you should head down to Mt. Vernon sometime and learn a bit of the history you seem to want to re-write.


Maybe she is just suffering from having a public school education. Don't worry, their implementing the "Common Core System" to fix it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:22 am

Fact Finder wrote:OPINION

The Collapsing Obama Doctrine

Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.


Updated June 17, 2014 7:34 p.m. ET

By Dick and Lynn Cheney
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Written by Dick Cheney? That is all that needs to be read.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:26 am

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Fact Finder wrote:I believe 48 of the 56 signers to the Declaration were born here on American soil. (not going to look it up) America was here before the Declaration, it was subject to the British Crown. The Declaration established America as independent of Britian, all hell was breaking loose, we kicked Brit ass, and thus was born the United States of America. George Fucking Washington was born in Virginia Mooshelle, not to far from where you now live honey. Maybe you should head down to Mt. Vernon sometime and learn a bit of the history you seem to want to re-write.


Maybe she is just suffering from having a public school education. Don't worry, their implementing the "Common Core System" to fix it.


wow, you just proved yourself to be an idiot, too. Did you even READ and COMPREHEND what she was saying?

The founding fathers had beliefs and ideas that they were willing to fight and die for and created this country from them. As that happened they BECAME Americans.

There is NOTHING factually wrong with what she said...it is in fact very patriotic.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:08 am

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wow, you just proved yourself to be an idiot, too. Did you even READ and COMPREHEND what she was saying?

The founding fathers had beliefs and ideas that they were willing to fight and die for and created this country from them. As that happened they BECAME Americans.

There is NOTHING factually wrong with what she said...it is in fact very patriotic.



“And like the 50 of you, none of them were born American – they became American.”


This is factually incorrect. What she's doing is pure obfuscation...

Also, in the context said, it is intended to give the impression that the signers were ALL immigrants.. when in fact 48 of the 56 signers were native born Americans.. It's not a simple mistake.. she's a lawyer for Gods sake... and her hubby is a Constitutional scholar...

It's part of what's wrong with this country.. the pluralization of the language.. where people are told (and believe) the country, and by association its form of government is a "democracy"... when "in fact" its a republic, or where a person who is a "liberal" can only be a Democrat...

http://www.constitutionfacts.com/us-dec ... e-signers/

" Most of the signers were American born although eight were foreign born."



The irony is that she was telling this to attendees of a naturalization ceremony, where those receiving citizenship probably knew she was wrong..
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:40 pm

Fact Finder wrote:George Washington was born in Virginia you fool. America was America before the wars you know. It was called America and most all signers to the Declaration were born here. Good grief, there should not be any argument of this.


...and, he was ENGLISH born in ENGLISH colonies. Very few, if any, colonists considered themselves "Americans" and denounced the crown. That is false history that you are inventing to try to save yourself from looking like an idiot.

The point she was making is they had bigger dreams of liberty and freedom and fought, bled and died for the idea of a country that held up higher standards in that regard then England, or any country for that matter.

If any Republican had spoke those exact same words you would have been praising it as an example Democrats should follow.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:46 pm

slucero wrote:
Monker wrote:
wow, you just proved yourself to be an idiot, too. Did you even READ and COMPREHEND what she was saying?

The founding fathers had beliefs and ideas that they were willing to fight and die for and created this country from them. As that happened they BECAME Americans.

There is NOTHING factually wrong with what she said...it is in fact very patriotic.



“And like the 50 of you, none of them were born American – they became American.”


This is factually incorrect. What she's doing is pure obfuscation...


It is not incorrect. Her words have a very obvious meaning, which your mind is twisting to find a way to be insulting and incorrect. How lame.

Also, in the context said, it is intended to give the impression that the signers were ALL immigrants.. when in fact 48 of the 56 signers were native born Americans.. It's not a simple mistake.. she's a lawyer for Gods sake... and her hubby is a Constitutional scholar...
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NO IT'S NOT giving that impression. When I read that it was plain to me that what she was saying is they were not "American" because the USA did not exist. They were, in FACT, English citizens living in English colonies on the North America continent. Please, stop poluting reality with your own illusions.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:50 pm

Fact Finder wrote:CUnder the auspices of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain, he completed four voyages across the Atlantic Ocean that led to general European awareness of the American continents.


Correct...not country.

I'm glad I am not living in your world where Mexicans and Canadians are Americans just because they live on the same continent.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:59 pm

Fact Finder wrote:
Monker wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:OPINION

The Collapsing Obama Doctrine

Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.


Updated June 17, 2014 7:34 p.m. ET

By Dick and Lynn Cheney
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Written by Dick Cheney? That is all that needs to be read.


You would rather Maher/Stewart I presume. I get it.


No, they are comedians.

Cheney is a chicken hawk, neo-conserviatice, who repeatedly lied and misled the nation to march to war in Iraq, and START this entire mess. NOBODY should listen his (or Rumsfield, or W) commentary on foreign policy because he has historically proven himself an idiot, a liar, and someone who will intentionally mislead for political gain for himself, or his party.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:53 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:I'm really sick of the Cheeny lied, lie. The Congress was presented evedince from the CIA. If you want to say anyone lied, then pen it on them. The UN, the Clintons, all said Hussein had to go. Problem was, Bill was bombing Asprin Factories and firing missles willie nillie. He had his mind on his Monnica problems and was being stripped of his law license for the liar he was, and still is. Weapons of mass dedstruction were found, just not reported by the press. What is your definition of a weapon of mass destruction Monker? In Bagdad for example, briefcases full of nerve gas in trunks of cars, each one could take out over ten thousand people, found all over. Husseins Generals said he emptied out passenger jets and ferried his big weapons over to Syria long before the inspectors showed up. Nerve Gas factories were found that could be rebuilt with little effort. Should we have gone? That is the question. One thing Iraq gave us was a blockage to get to Africa, which Obama threw away and now you have Libya, Syria, parts of Africa, and now Iraq again infected. Radical Muslims don't have to live in caves anymore. They can stay in Mid East Hiltons. I'm with agreement with Bolton, let them kill each other and hope both sides lose.


Uh, you do realize that the "let them kill each other" is a quote which *I*SAID*, correct? And, you do realize that I was not commenting directly to Iraq and used plenty of others words besides "liar", right?

I said, since before the beginning, that Saddam posed no threat to the US and therefore going to war was a HUGE mistake. I said, back then, and will continue to say today, that Democrats were pussies for not standing up to W and not authorizing war over a country which posed NO THREAT to the United States.

So, let's say he had suitcase bombs...what is he going to do? Have the Hulk heave them over to the US? Saddam was surrounded by enemies within his own country, including Islamic fundamentalists, and constantly at war with Iran. He had his hands full already and had no reason to pick a fight with the US. But, we talk so he talks bigger so he doesn't look weak. That's the way it all started. W, Cheney and Rumsfeld, a bunch of Chicken-hawks, wanted a war...and they chose Iraq.

I think the Syria talk is complete bullshit. If he still had chemical weapons, he would have used them again Iran, or us in the first Iraq war. We were told he was on the edge of a nuclear weapon - bullshit. The guy was an idiot building giant guns to "shoot" Israel and Iran...he didn't have the brain power to create nuclear weapons. We talk about 'gassing his own people" but when it happened, while the first Bush was President, we ignored it...how convenient.

They looked for and used any excuse to justify war in Iraq, manipulating public opinion in a McCarthyism way. If you were against the war, you were an unpatriotic ass who should leave the country. The unpatriotic asses are the ones who sacrifice American soldiers without real justification...not made up bullshit after the fact. Next time, maybe their kids, or they themselves, should be the first to the front lines to fight and die.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:16 pm

Monker wrote:I'm glad I am not living in your world where Mexicans and Canadians are Americans just because they live on the same continent.


Seems to me there are a whole bunch of Mexicans that already think they are Americans because they live on the same continent.
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