President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Monker]

Sorry, but you are in the wrong thread. Somebody else started a thread for paranoid conspiracy theorists.

Why are there only a few Obama ball lickers? I'm not going to name names, but they and some of us know who they are.

This president (not capitalized for a reason)

Not respectable
Lies on a daily basis
Is a partisan hack who uses every tool available, including the IRS, NSA and EPA
Law breaker
Congress Bypasser
Race divider
Illegal alien
un-vetted
closet muslim
sealed college records
secret service registration is a fraud
birth certificate is a fraud
mother was a slut
father is not verified, has potentially 2 or 3
health care fraud - If you like your health insurance, you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep him.
releases 5 high level taliban terrorists for one military deserter
orders all irs emails and hard drives destroyed, because this information would prove he was illegally elected again
lied about benghazi, again to skew public opinion, so he could be re-elected
world policy / foreign policy shambles
Threatens media into submission to serve his agenda
Iraq is failing and he goes out fundraising (for democrats, no doubt), without any regard for out military's sacrifice
Al Quaeda is on the run. (bullshit)
The world is a safer place. (bullshit)

[Boomchild]

So that's why FDR rounded up the japs? Cuz they were innocent people? How much you wanna bet the US Govt apologizes for Gitmo forty years down the road?? You need a history lesson, son.

Yes, I would say that the government rounding up Japanese Americans and putting them into camps during WWII was a paranoid, knee jerk reaction that wasn't warranted. To which the government later issued an apology for doing so and paid those interned reparations. Those being held at GITMO are a different story. They are radical terrorists that were captured during combat. If you feel that those detained there do not deserve to be there and pose no threat then offer up to house them in your home as guests. It's already been shown that some of the people that have been released from GITMO have gone right back to what they were doing when they were captured. As far as the government giving an apology down the road, I wouldn't be surprised. Especially with the no backbone, P.C. correct pussies we have operating our government.

[Monker]

TNC, because your little mind thinks it, doesn't make it so. By your thinking, Obama should be in the Tea party. Idiot! Bush was a Moderate. He had Progressive views on a one world government. You yourself even admitted his Dad did.

Find a quote where W supported a "one world" government.

In today's world, almost everybody is a moderate or liberal. Ronald Reagan would be a liberal in today's politics.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, because your little mind thinks it, doesn't make it so. By your thinking, Obama should be in the Tea party. Idiot! Bush was a Moderate. He had Progressive views on a one world government. You yourself even admitted his Dad did.

George W Bush says in his autobiography and on CNN that they didn't locate WMDs. Have you or FF tried contacting him to let him know that you guys found them? As for Obama being a member of The Tea Party...uh, no. He would be a corporatist Wall St. minted Democrat in the vein of Clinton.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yes, I would say that the government rounding up Japanese Americans and putting them into camps during WWII was a paranoid, knee jerk reaction that wasn't warranted.

Oh, I bet. And given your even-handed demeanor toward all Muslims, it would be impossible to imagine you getting uncritically swept up in the Japanophobia that was rampant during the War Years, wouldn't it? Ever hear the phrase, “The only good Jap is a dead Jap”? Sounds ALOT like your spit-flecked genocidal ramblings about Gitmo.

Those being held at GITMO are a different story. They are radical terrorists that were captured during combat.

Maybe. Maybe not. I’m sure some of the Japanese Americans were loyal to Horihito as well. Which Gitmo prisoners were picked up by US soldiers? Which were rounded up by tribal warlords for a bounty? That’s what happens when you move away from rule of the law and the Constitution and create an extra-legal Star Chamber form of justice. Non-thinking Republican swine like you would probably deride John Adams for defending the British soldiers after the Boston Massacre.

[Boomchild]

Oh, I bet. And given your even-handed demeanor toward all Muslims, it would be impossible to imagine you getting uncritically swept up in the Japanophobia that was rampant during the War Years, wouldn't it? Ever hear the phrase, “The only good Jap is a dead Jap”? Sounds ALOT like your spit-flecked genocidal ramblings about Gitmo.

Show me where I said or inferred that those interned in GITMO represent the mindset of ALL Muslims. I never did. There are peaceful Muslims and radical Muslims (i.e. "convert or die") in the world. Those interned at GITMO have been accused of being the latter. Sorry, but I do not subscribe to a "the only good Muslim is dead Muslim" theory. Since those that lump people into one category tend to accuse others of doing the same, it most likely explains your response.

Maybe. Maybe not. I’m sure some of the Japanese Americans were loyal to Horihito as well. Which Gitmo prisoners were picked up by US soldiers? Which were rounded up by tribal warlords for a bounty? That’s what happens when you move away from rule of the law and the Constitution and create an extra-legal Star Chamber form of justice. Non-thinking Republican swine like you would probably deride John Adams for defending the British soldiers after the Boston Massacre.

And there you go again. Where have I ever stated that I was a member of the Republican party? I'm not. I am a registered independent. Lately. I don't trust either of the major parties nor any politician these days. What should be happening with those held at GITMO is putting them on trial. When I say on trial, I mean through the military court system and not a federal court system. I am not in favor of interning them forever without putting them on trial. Those found guilty need to be given the required sentence and those found not guilty be released.

[Boomchild]

Nice side step TNC. How long ago since Bush wrote that from now? They just found more last week. Again, what's your deffinition of a WMD? To me, briefcases full of enough Siren to kill 10,000 would be. To you, I guess not. Your Alinsky tatics don't work with me. You side step, twist, or go after the sorce, never attack the fact. Hey Boomchild, Glad to see he's not just an asshole to me, but to everybody.

Well it seems he does this to anyone that does not subscribe to his point of view. It does seem he is well versed in the Alinsky playbook. I find his personal insults and attacks childish. I ignore it and will not stoop to the same level.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It does seem he is well versed in the Alinsky playbook.

Uh-oh. Seems like you got me pegged! I have Alinksy's Rules for Radicals on my nightstand, right beneath the 400 page Cloward and Piven doctoral thesis on crashing the welfare system (as engaging a page turner as Michael Crichton's The Andromeda Strain!). And you dare pretend you are not a garden-variety, stereotypical, mouth-breathing Republican? How many PMs have you flooded Andrew's inbox with demanding to know if my internet server is based out of Kenya? Fuck off.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Those interned at GITMO have been accused of being the latter.

And how exactly can they be accused, or have their day in court, when due process has been declared a dead letter?

What should be happening with those held at GITMO is putting them on trial....I am not in favor of interning them forever without putting them on trial. Those found guilty need to be given the required sentence and those found not guilty be released.

In many cases, indefinite detention, is exactly what is occurring. The whole concept of Guatanamo, a relic of the Spanish-American war, is insulting, it's all about circumventing US laws, which is not what this country is about. Like I said, the modern fascist GOP (which you are a part of), would label John Adams a traitorous cocksucking commie for defending the British in the Boston Massacre.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Nice side step TNC. How long ago since Bush wrote that from now?

His autobiography came out in 2010. Seven years after the Iraq War began, and as a point of comparison, three years longer than US involvement in World War 2.

They just found more last week.

Well, bite my tongue! I guess the George W. Bush Presidential library will be releasing a victorious press release any day now, huh? So many foolish liberals like me doubted the existence of WMD, that the PR header should just read “Na Na Na Na Nanny Booboo! I was right! You were wrong!”

Again, what's your definition of a WMD?

My definition is the same as George W. Bush's (y'know, the dry drunk bum who started the war??). He says we haven't found any. Are you attempting to pull some sort of Clintonian double-speak on me? Depends what the definition of "is" is?

Your Alinsky tatics don't work with me. You side step, twist, or go after the sorce, never attack the fact.

Yep. You got me. HUUUGE Alinsky fan here. Def in my top 5...somewhere after Stephen King but a little before James Patterson. Now if you'll excuse me, I think I hear the doorbell chime ringing, it is probably my good friend, acclaimed academic and ex domestic terrorist, Dr. Bill Ayers, stopping by for tea...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bill Clinton signs Motor Voter Law with notable attendees....

My, how scandalous!



Remember how outraged you were, FF, when Bush wanted to outsource US port security to the United Arab Emirates? Oh yea, me neither. You're a little old woman running from the echo of her own dusty queefs. Must get really tiring to feign indignation at everything Obama does, even when you really don't give a fuck.

[Boomchild]

It does seem he is well versed in the Alinsky playbook.

Uh-oh. Seems like you got me pegged! I have Alinksy's Rules for Radicals on my nightstand, right beneath the 400 page Cloward and Piven doctoral thesis on crashing the welfare system (as engaging a page turner as Michael Crichton's The Andromeda Strain!). And you dare pretend you are not a garden-variety, stereotypical, mouth-breathing Republican? How many PMs have you flooded Andrew's inbox with demanding to know if my internet server is based out of Kenya? Fuck off.

Which page from Alinksy's playbook did you reference for this reply?

[Boomchild]

And how exactly can they be accused, or have their day in court, when due process has been declared a dead letter?

The government is accusing them of something or they would not be detained. That doesn't mean that all of them are guilty. As I said in my last reply it is my opinion that they should have their day in court. Perhaps you should forward this question to the current leader of this country and also ask him why he has back peddled on his promise to close GITMO. After all, isn't he the poster boy for everyone in the world being given fair treatment and equal rights?

In many cases, indefinite detention, is exactly what is occurring. The whole concept of Guatanamo, a relic of the Spanish-American war, is insulting, it's all about circumventing US laws, which is not what this country is about. Like I said, the modern fascist GOP (which you are a part of), would label John Adams a traitorous cocksucking commie for defending the British in the Boston Massacre.

If I was a member of the "fascist GOP" as you call it, then I would say keep them there indefinitely. That is clearly is not what I said. I said they should be put on trial, sentenced if found guilty or released if not found guilty. Speaking of a "fascist GOP" then B.O. and his party must be of the same ilk since B.O. has done little to nothing to change the situation. But, I expect you to reply along the lines that he is powerless to change it and is the fault of someone else.

[Monker]

Nice side step TNC. How long ago since Bush wrote that from now? They just found more last week.

You are just WRONG, if you are talking about the articles about Saddam's abandoned chemical weapons plant.

That site was bombed and destroyed during the first Iraq war. It was inspected prior to W's war and was found to be a decaying wasteland. It was so bad that inspectors said the degrading chemicals were too unsafe to move. Now it has had 10yrs longer to decay and become even worse. The fact is that what is there was deemed to not be a threat...and nothing has changed.

You talk as if chemicals do not degrade. Sarin (what the hell is Siren?) Has a VERY short shelf life. Saddam did not have ANY viable chemical weapons when the Iraq war started.

You talk about briefcases but offer NOTHING as evidence. You have mentioned one guy saying this and that about Syria...but where is the proof? I have never seen any. I think it's just lies to build a conspiracy theory to justify the war. A war that we had no real reason to start.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The government is accusing them of something or they would not be detained.

Um according to what set of legal checks and balances? You poor naive goat. That is the same logic used to defend the internment camps of Japanese American citizens!

If I was a member of the "fascist GOP" as you call it, then I would say keep them there indefinitely.

Defending Soviet style show trials does not make you an independent. Sorry.

[Boomchild]

Um according to what set of legal checks and balances? You poor naive goat. That is the same logic used to defend the internment camps of Japanese American citizens!

It's seems whatever process they used to detain them is good enough for B.O. since they are still in GITMO. But of course you side stepped that glaring issue. It seems to me that since some of those already released have been found to be going right back into the fight show that the government is not completely off base.

Defending Soviet style show trials does not make you an independent. Sorry.

And how would you know that if they were to be put on trial it would be a "show trial"? I guess in your world all the detainees in GITMO are innocent bystanders that were just "in the wrong place at the wrong time". That we should just let them all go without putting them through any process to determine if they committed or aided in terrorist actions or war crimes. So just what would be your solution? And what about good old B.O., what happen to him doing what he said he was going to do?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Um according to what set of legal checks and balances? You poor naive goat. That is the same logic used to defend the internment camps of Japanese American citizens!

It's seems whatever process they used to detain them is good enough for B.O. since they are still in GITMO. But of course you side stepped that glaring issue. It seems to me that since some of those already released have been found to be going right back into the fight show that the government is not completely off base.

Defending Soviet style show trials does not make you an independent. Sorry.

And how would you know that if they were to be put on trial it would be a "show trial"? I guess in your world all the detainees in GITMO are innocent bystanders that were just "in the wrong place at the wrong time". That we should just let them all go without putting them through any process to determine if they committed or aided in terrorist actions or war crimes. So just what would be your solution? And what about good old B.O., what happen to him doing what he said he was going to do?

Boy, are you dense. We would use the US legal system. Ever hear of it? Stop hiding behind Obama, like a little bitch. And your statistics about Gitmo detainees returning to the battlefield are meaningless. That's like waving around audit results of the fed or the pentagon. Gitmo is a legal black box. Its designed so that nothing goes in, nothing goes out.

[Boomchild]

Boy, are you dense. We would use the US legal system. Ever hear of it? Stop hiding behind Obama, like a little bitch. And your statistics about Gitmo detainees returning to the battlefield are meaningless. That's like waving around audit results of the fed or the pentagon. Gitmo is a legal black box. Its designed so that nothing goes in, nothing goes out.

I say try them through the military court system. They were captured during combat or aiding in the advancement of terrorism. Not holding up the 7 eleven down the block from you. Sorry, but the issue that some returned to fighting after release goes to the point that their detention was valid. I'm not hiding behind B.O.. The fact is while running for POTUS he was going to make the closing of GITMO a priority. After he was elected he back peddled and here we are more then FOUR YEARS later and the detainees are still there. So what has changed B.O.'s mind or if his mind hasn't changed what's the hold up? Whens the last time he even talked about this issue? Seems like it would be O.K. to close it since the war is over, the terrorists are beaten back and the world is a much safer place now. At least the way B.O. sees things. Stop circling around the question.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They were captured during combat or aiding in the advancement of terrorism.

And you know this HOW? What of reports of detainees being rounded up and sold by Pakistan militias and then turned to US forces?

Sorry, but the issue that some returned to fighting after release goes to the point that their detention was valid.

In those cases, sure. You could make the same argument about US prison inmates who get released and commit crimes. Their recidivism in no way make the wrongfully imprisoned suddenly guilty or makes the case for doing away with habeas corpus. What are you trying to say?

At least the way B.O. sees things. Stop circling around the question.

What question? Why does Obama do half the things he does? Why did he eliminate a public option from the healthcare plan? Why did he want us to invade Syria? Why does he support the NAFTA-like Trans Pacific partnership? How the hell do I know?

[Monker]

http://www.wnd.com/2006/06/36714/

Obviously, Rick Santorum doesn't know what the word "degraded" means. Do you?

Instead of relying on radical right wing sites getting biased information from Rick Santorum and Sean Hannity, why don't you read the report itself: http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

Just in case you are too afraid to click on the link:

"The ISG assessed that Iraq and coalition forces will continue to discover small numbers of degraded chemical weapons, which the former regime mislaid or improperly destroyed prior to 1991. The ISG believes the bulk of these weapons were likely abandoned, forgotten and lost during the Iran-Iraq war because tens of thousands of CW munitions were forward deployed along the frequently and rapidly shifting battlefront.

In 2006 the National Ground Intelligence Center (NGIC) published a report which noted coalition forces recovered another 500 filled and unfilled degraded pre-1991 Gulf War chemical munitions since the ISG completed its work. The discoveries are consistent with the ISG's addendum assessment."

In short the report says the ISG believes Iraq stopped its chemical weapons programs prior to the Guld War and abandoned the factories, and allowed the existing chemicals to degrade. After the Gulf War, the chemical weapons program was never restarted on any significant scale. The munitions that have been found in Iraq are pre-1991, and are degraded and useless.

20yr old chemical weapons are useless. 30yr old chemical weapons left in the dessert sun to degrade are dangerous to anybody who tries to move them, let alone salvage and use them.

No viable WMD has ever been found in Iraq.

[Boomchild]

What question? Why does Obama do half the things he does? Why did he eliminate a public option from the healthcare plan? Why did he want us to invade Syria? Why does he support the NAFTA-like Trans Pacific partnership? How the hell do I know?

Exactly. You don't know all the details. You don't know all the circumstances behind who and why they are detained at GITMO. Neither do I. But, I doubt it's just to detain people that have nothing to do with the terrorism that has been happening. They need to be processed and handled accordingly. But even under B.O.'s watch it seems that is not going to happen. I see no point in continuing to string along this thread. Obviously we have different opinions and are not going to agree.

[Rick]

Though Columbus was not the first European explorer to reach the Americas (having been preceded by the Norse expedition led by Leif Ericson in the 11th century[3]), his voyages led to the first lasting European contact with the Americas, inaugurating a period of European exploration, conquest, and colonization that lasted for several centuries.

Well, when did that Amerigo Vespucci dude get here? The one they named this bitch after?

[trekman]

“These brave Americans were made to sign—literally forced to sign—unusually restrictive non-disclosure agreements. It was obvious to them and obvious to us at the Pentagon, that this administration was silencing our soldiers who knew the truth about Bergdahl. They were constructing their own false narrative at that time to sell to the American people. It just wasn’t true and twisted the facts 180 degrees.” –Pentagon official

http://www.westernjournalism.com/knowin ... campaigns/

[Rick]

And a big thank you to St.John for this find.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1309825/isis-i ... was-right/

If this is true, I owe him an apology.

[Monker]

And a big thank you to St.John for this find.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1309825/isis-i ... was-right/

Please...what find? It's just the same old crap that has been repeatedly been proven false. Just because some hack of a news site repeats it does not make it any more true then the last half dozen times you have repeated the same false stories.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You know Monker, If he will, I sent St.John a text betting him you and TNC would do just that. I wish he would post it here. I told him you guys would pull a Clower and Pevin move. Go after the source and ignore the information. With your own words, these things Biodegrade. Some of this stash is still good. Gee, that would make it recent.

Wow. Still playing the same lonely sad song, are we? What "new" information? Did you or St John even bother to read the article or just the headline? It's main source of info is the UK paper, The Telegraph. Did you actually click the Telegraph link which Inquistr is paraphrasing? The Inquistr article also mentions a CIA report from 2005 as proof. Did you actually read it? The link to the CIA report plainly says:

"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, [the Iraq Survey Group] judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered."


I ask again, did you actually click the links in the Inquisitr article? Obviously not. Because you are more interested in confirming pre-existing biases than THE TRUTH. NOWHERE in that Telegraph article or the CIA report is the claim made of new WMDs. At this point, you are either functionally illiterate or just the biggest right wing whore this side of Karl Rove in a Texas bathouse. Either way, I'd suggest you take your intellectual ass beating like a man and move on. Maybe take up painting oil portraits of barney the dog, like your ex-war criminal hero, George W.

[Monker]

You know Monker, If he will, I sent St.John a text betting him you and TNC would do just that. I wish he would post it here. I told him you guys would pull a Clower and Pevin move. Go after the source and ignore the information. With your own words, these things Biodegrade. Some of this stash is still good. Gee, that would make it recent.

So what? It's a hack of a news site. All they did is take OTHER articles and rehash them for their own purposes. Sorry, that's just the truth. All that article did was REPEAT INFORMATION YOU ALREADY POSTED.

TNC just posted ANOTHER quote from the report which I also quoted from and gave a link to when you did your last "proof of WMD" post, because it also referenced THE EXACT SAME REPORT. That report, which all of this crap you are posting is using as their source, is saying THERE WERE NO VIABLE WMD IN IRAQ WHEN W. STARTED HIS WAR. The facility ISIS took over was bombed during the FIRST gulf war and abandoned. They concluded that Saddam ABANDONED his WMD program. Any weapons found were degraded and useless, and were abandoned during the Iran/Iraq was.

THAT is what the SOURCE is saying for these bullshit articles you are posting.

Isn't there somebody here who had in their signature the Einstein quote of the definition of insanity being repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? By that definition, you, and St. John it seems, are definitely insane.

There were no WMD found in Iraq. Deal with that reality, please.

[trekman]

[The_Noble_Cause]

Insightful post. Loser.
Even your hero, Glenn Beck, recently came out AGAINST the Iraq War and declared it a mistake from the very beginning. Don't you just hate it when you let radio conmen do all the critical thinking for you, and then suddenly, they decide to listen to one of the other voices in their head? Limbaugh and Hannity are still in favor of it, maybe you can switch your radio dial and lick the razorburn bumps on their balls instead...

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://conservabuzz.com/sometimes-you-have-to-admit-when-youre-wrong-a-stunning-admission-from-one-newspaper/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=cbupdate

Yup, quickly change the topic. A tactic ripped straight from the pages of the Aylinsky/Cloward/Ayers/Marx textbook or..errm...umm..something...evil obscure liberal...something..um