President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

See JBlake, he's all mouth then runs and hides behind that computer.

As opposed to you, who makes forum posts via a magically pimped-out Remington typewriter?

I'm not going to waste any more of Andrews bandwidth on him.

Very generous of you. Now do the world a favor and stop wasting oxygen and molecules. Complete your mom's deathbed regret of not swallowing you when she was turning tricks at the hourly motorlodge.

I've gotten him to show himself for everyone on here to see.

Slow clap. Bravo. Who is this "everyone", you speak of? And why are you always hiding under the skirt of St.JohnBlake or some other imaginary invisible audience? You are one insecure frail whisp of a cock.

At least Monker offers responses...

Speaking of which, when are you going to address how dozens of Southern delegates walked out of the 1948 Dem convention when the party adopted civil rights as part of its platform? The truth is, this thread descends into juvenile name-calling (which is fine) because you CAN'T intelligently reply to posts. It is the very same reason you rely on so much copied and pasted bullshit, like a drunk leaning on a lamppost, because you CAN'T think independently.

[JBlake]

Hey, don't anyone worry about this virus from Africa....he's only got 2 more years in office!

LOL. Maybe those shovel ready jobs he was talking about was for when the ebola virus kills large numbers on American soil, so he had hoped for.

[Boomchild]

The truth comes out. I made the mistake last week of saying I would side with monker a little bit over Iraq not being totally Obamas fault. I know how this White House works, and I should have known better. They lie almost as much as TNC. I should have known better.


http://news.yahoo.com/obama-team-wanted ... 24152.html

From the article:

"Privately, the various leadership factions in Iraq all confided that they wanted some US forces to remain as a bulwark against sectarian violence," he wrote.

The response should have been "why"? They need to get their act together to control the violence on their own and stabilize their government. That's the permanent solution. Instead they want to hide behind the U.S. military, use them for their dirty work and put our troop's lives on the line instead of their own. Also, that way they can blame the U.S. when things go wrong.

[Boomchild]

See JBlake, he's all mouth then runs and hides behind that computer. He's offered nothing. I think he's nothing more then a miserable troll. I'm not going to waste any more of Andrews bandwidth on him. I've gotten him to show himself for everyone on here to see. He's a liar, Racist, woman hating miserable little no life troll. Not worthy of any responses. At least Monker offers responses. I thought the liberals were the "Champions" of the "Republican war on women". I guess the truth came out here. That's one thing you didn't lie about,TNC. Your a racist, woman hater.

Honestly, I don't see the reason for replying to his responses that are mostly insult diatribes. Your just giving him exactly the attention he wants. I would suggest just ignoring his responses.

[Boomchild]

Hey, don't anyone worry about this virus from Africa....he's only got 2 more years in office!

LOL. Maybe those shovel ready jobs he was talking about was for when the ebola virus kills large numbers on American soil, so he had hoped for.

On the subject of Ebola, you would think that we should be taking a proactive approach. Maybe we should be restricting travel to and from areas where there is an outbreak. That or have some kind of quarantine with testing for Ebola if you are entering the U.S. from one of the areas where an outbreak has occurred.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Honestly, I don't see the reason for replying to his responses that are mostly insult diatribes. Your just giving him exactly the attention he wants.

I’m glad to see you applying your psychological expertise culled from years of Frasier reruns and a handful of community college classes. However, you should really speak for yourself. Better yet, try clinically diagnosing your narcissistic, attention-disorder suffering friends, who somehow think pasting right wing blogs every five minutes is the modern equivalent of Paul Revere warning the colonists.

PS If you think I give a baker’s fuck whether or not you reply to this, you know me even less well than the real father of your kids.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well well....

Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

Retaining a small US force would have helped contain sectarian violence and prevented the conditions that helped open the door to the onslaught of the Islamic State group, which has seized a large area of Iraq in recent months, Panetta argues in a soon-to-be released book, "Worthy Fights."

In other words, Panetta wanted to send more US troops to risk their lives for an unwinnable quagmire, as his agent brokered a six figure publishing contract behind the scenes. Care to explain to me how Obama comes off looking like the bad guy here?

[The_Noble_Cause]

It got lost with all the TNC Bullshit. Here it is again. Iposted it on the last page.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-team-wanted ... 24152.html

So let's see here...
You posted the link already once. FF went ahead and posted it twice. And now you're posting the same article for a THIRD time?? If this is your idea of preserving Andrew's bandwidth, you suck at it worse than life.

[Boomchild]

Interesting read.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/blood-feu ... 00012.html

To sum up this article, "it's the pot calling the kettle black". To me it's just more evidence that real change will not be coming from elected politicians.

[Monker]

That is NOT what Gallup said. What a bunch of bombastic bullshit. If you want to know what Gallup says, why do you not go to Gallup and read it? Or, perhaps you do but it's not "loud" enough and dramatic enough to copy/paste here:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/178043/obama ... -2010.aspx

It's about what I expect it to be...but not 16 year low, worse then Bush and Clinton, blar, blar, blar.

What GALLUP said is Obama is abut where W was in 2006. Big deal.

"Obama's current numbers by party mirror Bush's numbers in his second midterm in 2006. A majority of Democrats at that time said they were voting to oppose Bush, and Republicans were more likely to say they were not sending a message with their vote than to say they were casting it to show support for Bush. The 2006 Bush numbers represented a shift from 2002 when most Republicans said they were voting to support Bush."

Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton


Angry and frustrated voters are planning to use the midterm elections in one month to tell President Obama they oppose his agenda, the highest “no vote” percentage in the last 16 years measured by Gallup.

The polling outfit found that 32 percent of voters want to send a message of opposition with their vote, compared to just 20 percent who are sending a signal of support.

[Monker]

I've been wanting to write a proper reply to this for a long while...

The left does not consider Fox a credible news source. Let's drill down on that for a moment.

Yes, let's do that.

It is in the top two rated cable news channels.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with quality, or even the news at all. It has to do with FOX knowing that presenting the news in an opinionated and dramatic way gets people hooked on watching. FOX only dedicates a few hours of the 24 hr clock to 'news'...the rest is for commentary and opinion. This is not MY disctinction...it is FOX's

It tackles issues that the liberals don't want to know about.

It tackles made up issues that they invent. They come up with an issue on the morning show. Then they comment on that made up issue on their opinion shows. Then they report on the made up issue on the news show because "people are talking about it." Then when it is proven that they are WRONG, they do not correct it because it was shown during the non-news hours and the news hours only reported what people were talking about.

They constantly invent their own bullshit...and Republicans and conservatives feast on it like pigs in shit. Or, elephants in shit, whatever...but THAT is the truth.

Most of the other media is left and will not go where Fox goes

Good for them. FOX has become so cocky that they basically endorse the Republican party...and they get away with it. The Democrats and liberals really don't even try to go so far. MSNBC is the closest. However, Republicans in general endorse FOX, and FOX in return endorses them. It's such a game. But, the fact is Democrats in general do not have such a relationship with a network. I know you will come back with the "lame stream media" bullshit...but again, the facts disagree. No media critiqued Bush about the Iraq war while the build up was happening - when it would have meant something. In fact, shows were canceled on the major networks because of the critique. When is FOX going to start canceling shows for critiquing Obama about how he is handling ISIS? Hypcorites.

So, we may have a "left leaning" media...but nothing like FOX exists for the Democrats to call "home".

as far as calling out Obama and others in this administration. As far as I'm concerned Fox is one of the only channels that challenges the Obama agenda and calls it as it is.

See above about making shit up.

Some people are so fucking partisan that they are polar magnetically attracted to wrong information, just to stand with their guy

And, conservatives are magnitically attracted to a network just to attack the opposition. Karl Rove is obviously proud...because he perfected that strategy.

They are going to be sadly awakened very soon. The GOP is going to retain the house and take down the Senate.

First of all - I don't care one way or the other. Until the people in congress...on both sides...grow up and start working TOGETHER, NOTHING will get done. Having Republicans in control just means the Democrats get to have some payback and not let THEIR agenda pass.

However, I think you are all mistaken. I think the Republicans will have a win. But, I doubt it's going to be this huge turnaround like you all predict. All you have to do is look back two years ago where it seemed we were going to get a close election...and Obama won decisively.

IMO, the polls do not seem to be as accurate as they used to be...and all of this enthusiasm is relying on polls and the hype you get from each other and probably things shown on FOX.

Reality does base itself on a poll, or an opinionator on FOX.

The ridiculous smear campaigns that I have observed by the left, indicate to me, that they are really scared of what is around the corner.

Or, they have learned how to use Karl Rove's gameplan.

Finally a bunch of toddlers who have been getting away with all kinds of crap are going to get their dirty diapers changed and be gobsmacked into reality.

I doubt that KC will ever change his whiny ways.

[Boomchild]

Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton


Angry and frustrated voters are planning to use the midterm elections in one month to tell President Obama they oppose his agenda, the highest “no vote” percentage in the last 16 years measured by Gallup.

The polling outfit found that 32 percent of voters want to send a message of opposition with their vote, compared to just 20 percent who are sending a signal of support.

I wouldn't be holding my breath or planning any parties. I think we will not see any big upset.

[Boomchild]

I It has to do with FOX knowing that presenting the news in an opinionated and dramatic way gets people hooked on watching.

In other words, their doing the exact same thing that the other major news outlets do.

[Boomchild]

Up for chit chat. Do you understand that Monker, or are you gonna cry foul and look for ways to discredit the source, writer, date is was written, or any other sort of crying you do. Simply to discuss, the Ebola part anyway.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-s ... luding-cdc

Americans have been led to believe by the White House and the CDC that Ebola has a hard time living outside the environment of a living host. The virus is spread only by host to host, and even then you have to have direct contact with body fluids such as blood, urine, diarrhea, vomit, and the like.

What puzzled me is this is what they have been saying yet they wanted to check those that came in casual contact with the person that contracted Ebola in Texas. If the chances are so remote then I don't think they would be doing so. They seem to be sending mixed messages. We should be restricting travel to and from areas were the outbreaks have occurred. In my opinion it's too risky to allow it. Also the news has reported the that the person in Texas who contracted Ebola is now in critical condition.

[Monker]

Up for chit chat. Do you understand that Monker, or are you gonna cry foul and look for ways to discredit the source, writer, date is was written, or any other sort of crying you do. Simply to discuss, the Ebola part anyway.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-s ... luding-cdc

Americans have been led to believe by the White House and the CDC that Ebola has a hard time living outside the environment of a living host. The virus is spread only by host to host, and even then you have to have direct contact with body fluids such as blood, urine, diarrhea, vomit, and the like.

What puzzled me is this is what they have been saying yet they wanted to check those that came in casual contact with the person that contracted Ebola in Texas. If the chances are so remote then I don't think they would be doing so. They seem to be sending mixed messages. We should be restricting travel to and from areas were the outbreaks have occurred. In my opinion it's too risky to allow it. Also the news has reported the that the person in Texas who contracted Ebola is now in critical condition.

Why do you people take some opinionator blabbing off so seriously? He is not speaking the facts. Ebola is not some new virus...it has been around for 40yrs. There have been other outbreaks that have been studied...and you guys do not know what you are talking about. The sad thing is if you really care so much you would spend 30 seconds on Google to find the facts:

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/1 ... _1/ix.long

What this article is saying is history shows that outbreaks suddenly become under control when patients are put in 'nursing care' and not allowed to be roaming free in crowded cities. It IS NOT EASY to transmit. It is transmitted just as has been said, with bodily fluids...and according to this article, the critically ill or dead are the ones who are most likely to be transmitting the disease.

IMO, after reading this article, Ebola is a third world disease in Africa. It pops up in humans once in a while in an outbreak in Africa. Advanced countries like the US help to put in good practices in place in the hospitals, and then the disease naturally dies out. However, it survives in another animal population in the rain forest and reinfects humans at a later date. Ebola is no real threat as other diseases (like HIV/AIDS) because isolating patients in hospitals KILLS OFF THE DISEASE VERY QUICKLY.

And, there is no grand conspiracy via the CDC...they are telling the truth and trying avoid FOX and conspiracy theorists to not needlessly panic the public.

A few relevant quotes from the linked article, since it is so huge:

"The presence of the international teams allied with several organizations from the DRC during the end of the epidemic provided an opportunity for several studies to better define the transmission of Ebola virus among humans. Details of transmission in households [54] showed the important role of close contact and exposure to body fluids, particularly to care givers, who suffered the major burden of secondary infections. Touching cadavers at funerals was also an independent risk factor for disease and may well be related to the extensive skin involvement of Ebola virus, as discovered by Zaki et al. [53]. "

(IE: YO! Close contact and bodily fluids, and contact with dead bodies, is how this virus is spread...and THIS IS WHY THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO WAS IN CASUAL CONTACT WITH THE PATIENT IN DALLAS...TO CONTINUE THE STUDY OF THE VIRUS.)

"There is considerable misunderstanding concerning the potential for aerosol transmission of filoviruses. The data on formal aerosol experiments leave no doubt that Ebola and Marburg viruses are stable and infectious in small-particle aerosols, and experience of transmission between experimental animals in the laboratory supports this [49, 56–63]. Indeed, during the 1989–1990 epizootic of the Reston subtype of Ebola, there was circumstantial evidence of airborne spread of the virus, and supporting observations included suggestive epidemiology in patterns of spread within rooms and between rooms in the quarantine facility, high concentrations of virus in nasal and oropharyngeal secretions, and ultrastructural visualization of abundant virus particles in alveoli [17, 50]. However, this is far from saying that Ebola viruses are transmitted in the clinical setting by small-particle aerosols generated from an index patient [64]. Indeed patients without any direct exposure to a known EHF case were carefully sought but uncommonly found [65]. The conclusion is that if this mode of spread occurred, it was very minor."

(IE: Yes, it can transmit via the air...however they actually tried to find examples of this, it was extremely difficult. This means the way the virus transmits is not primarily through the air.)

"What then were the major routes of transmission? Nonhuman primate studies [66] found conjunctival and oral routes of infection to be possible. It seems likely that the increased risk from late-stage patients [54] reflects increased virus excretion as the disease progresses, similar to that seen in monkey models [50]. Thus, mucous-membrane exposure, pharyngeal contamination during swallowing, inoculation via small skin breaks, or even infection from swallowed infectious material may all contribute to virus transmission. "

(IE: You have to be french kissing the patient, touch the infected skin break, or eat some of the puss or raw organs of the patient.)

[Boomchild]

(IE: YO! Close contact and bodily fluids, and contact with dead bodies, is how this virus is spread...and THIS IS WHY THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO WAS IN CASUAL CONTACT WITH THE PATIENT IN DALLAS...TO CONTINUE THE STUDY OF THE VIRUS.)

Which means they do not know everything about it. So it is possible to become out of control and spread to other areas such as the U.S.. It's not impossible for the recent outbreak to be worse then previous history.

[Monker]

Obviously, the two of you only know how to read or listen to bias bullshit that exists only to play the politics of fear.

This is not a threat to the US for one simple reason: We have a hospital system that can isolate patients. The history PROVES that stops this virus in its track.

Ebola is no more a threat to this country than Saddam Husein was. But fear mongering politicians and naive citizens want to believe bizarre conspiracy theories and crazy made up bullshit than understand very basic FACTS. You guys repeat this pattern over and over and over again. Who is it that has the Einstein quote about insanity being repeating the same thing and hoping for a different result? You all are the very definition of what he is talking about.

[Monker]

Hmmmm...Monker or the guy who discovered Ebola...who to believe?




'In 1976 I discovered Ebola - now I fear an unimaginable tragedy'


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... t-outbreak

Come on, you can't be this stupid. Did you even read this article?

It is saying EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. It's an African virus spread by dead bodies and the infected blood of patients. It became such an issue because of bad practices at hospitals, reusing needles and such, and the movement of corpses to be buried. And, he clearly said it does not spread via the air and is extremely unlikely some mutation will cause it to do so.

The most basic sanitary practices prevent the disease from spreading. But, in Africa they do not have the supplies to constantly use clean needles, or gloves, or to dispose of the corpses properly....so it spreads...and THAT is what this doctor is so worried about - NOT THAT IT WILL SPREAD TO THE US. So, developed nations have to come to the rescue - WHICH IS WHAT I SAID.

He even said that humans are not the target for this virus...some other animal in the rain forest carries it and humans catch it from that...and if people are not using common sense sanitation, it causes another outbreak.

There is NOTHING this guy said that I didn't.

Get over your political bias already and start actually reading and comprehending the facts that you do find.

[slucero]

Who is it that has the Einstein quote about insanity being repeating the same thing and hoping for a different result?

..that would be me... ( I know the irony here is killin' ya)

[Boomchild]

This is not a threat to the US for one simple reason: We have a hospital system that can isolate patients. The history PROVES that stops this virus in its track.

In your last post you pointed out they are continuing to study the virus. Which means they don't know everything about it. The one thing you are leaving out is the possibility that this virus can mutate. Since that is the case your point is not an absolute. The only thing that I am suggesting is that it would be prudent to restrict to travel to areas of the world the virus is not under control.

[slucero]

the real problem... as the good Doctor in the article alluded to.. isn't the modern, western North American hospital systems... it's a rapid increase in the rate of infection in Europe and North America.... which he surmised... could eventually overwhelm the hospital systems...

[slucero]

If one really wants to understand the danger from Ebola to North America... this is a good read.

Assessing the International Spreading Risk Associated with the 2014 West African Ebola Outbreak
http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/arti ... -outbreak/


Here's an article that summarizes it: http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/ ... toll-ebola

[Monker]

This is not a threat to the US for one simple reason: We have a hospital system that can isolate patients. The history PROVES that stops this virus in its track.

In your last post you pointed out they are continuing to study the virus. Which means they don't know everything about it.

Because that's what scientists do. You are letting your imagination drive your reality,.

The one thing you are leaving out is the possibility that this virus can mutate. Since that is the case your point is not an absolute.

...and FF interview/article specifically stated that it is extremely unlikely that a mutation could make it an airborn virus.

[Monker]

Hmmmm...Monker or the guy who discovered Ebola...who to believe?




'In 1976 I discovered Ebola - now I fear an unimaginable tragedy'


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... t-outbreak

Come on, you can't be this stupid. Did you even read this article?

It is saying EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. It's an African virus spread by dead bodies and the infected blood of patients. It became such an issue because of bad practices at hospitals, reusing needles and such, and the movement of corpses to be buried. And, he clearly said it does not spread via the air and is extremely unlikely some mutation will cause it to do so.

The most basic sanitary practices prevent the disease from spreading. But, in Africa they do not have the supplies to constantly use clean needles, or gloves, or to dispose of the corpses properly....so it spreads...and THAT is what this doctor is so worried about - NOT THAT IT WILL SPREAD TO THE US. So, developed nations have to come to the rescue - WHICH IS WHAT I SAID.

He even said that humans are not the target for this virus...some other animal in the rain forest carries it and humans catch it from that...and if people are not using common sense sanitation, it causes another outbreak.

There is NOTHING this guy said that I didn't.

Get over your political bias already and start actually reading and comprehending the facts that you do find.

The difference nimrod is that he fears an unimaginable tragedy could be in the making, you do not, apparently. So my question stands, who to believe...the man who discovered it or a keyboard commando.

For the US, correct, I don't....and that is what I was posting about. He didn't even mention the US. His concern was all about Africa...and I said it's an African/third world disease. I don't know how much of a tragedy it will be in those countries.

Again, get over your bias and maybe you'll stop posting articles and such that prove me right.

[Monker]

This is not a threat to the US for one simple reason: We have a hospital system that can isolate patients. The history PROVES that stops this virus in its track.

In your last post you pointed out they are continuing to study the virus. Which means they don't know everything about it. The one thing you are leaving out is the possibility that this virus can mutate. Since that is the case your point is not an absolute. The only thing that I am suggesting is that it would be prudent to restrict to travel to areas of the world the virus is not under control.

Also, the Dallas dude flew thru Belgium and then to Dallas with a few hundred people on the planes. They say the virus isn't airborne, yet also say contact with bodily fluids is necessary to transmit. Seems to me that a nice violent sneeze in the right direction might spew shit 3 rows up over 6 or 9 people.

It seems to me that you are an idiot and don't read the facts. Those 6 or 9 people not only would have to have the mucus land on them, but they would then have to eat it or have it land on an open cut. And, that is assuming he was even in a stage where the virus could be transmitted in this way.

Plus, the dude knew he might have Ebola and that's why he flew here for treatment. Then he hugged his cousin or whoever it was in the pic upon arrival at Dallas. Then he had contact with 100 other people before hitting up the Hospital, WHO TURNED HIM AWAY with antibiotics at first. Then he came back to the hospital... with Ebola.

Whatever...you are just in fear mode. None of this is how Ebola spreads. Even the hug would have had to end in a French kiss.

By now, those people would have been showing symptoms. So, how many did it spread to? My bet is - zero.

[Monker]

the real problem... as the good Doctor in the article alluded to.. isn't the modern, western North American hospital systems... it's a rapid increase in the rate of infection in Europe and North America.... which he surmised... could eventually overwhelm the hospital systems...

He did not allude to that. There is not going to be a rapid increase in the infections in the US because we do not practice third world medicine. His concern was NOT the US...but the number of deaths in the under developed countries where the proper care to contain the virus has fallen apart.

[slucero]

the real problem... as the good Doctor in the article alluded to.. isn't the modern, western North American hospital systems... it's a rapid increase in the rate of infection in Europe and North America.... which he surmised... could eventually overwhelm the hospital systems...

He did not allude to that. There is not going to be a rapid increase in the infections in the US because we do not practice third world medicine. His concern was NOT the US...but the number of deaths in the under developed countries where the proper care to contain the virus has fallen apart.

The definition of "Allusion" is: an expression designed to call something to mind without mentioning it explicitly; an indirect or passing reference.


As I said the modern North American hospital system is not the problem. The rate of infection is. More specifically those traveling to the U.S. from countries where the rate of infection is increasing.

The doctor referred to India specifically here:

Do you think we might be facing the beginnings of a pandemic?

There will certainly be Ebola patients from Africa who come to us in the hopes of receiving treatment. And they might even infect a few people here who may then die. But an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control. I am more worried about the many people from India who work in trade or industry in west Africa. It would only take one of them to become infected, travel to India to visit relatives during the virus's incubation period, and then, once he becomes sick, go to a public hospital there. Doctors and nurses in India, too, often don't wear protective gloves. They would immediately become infected and spread the virus.

Just to refresh... the definition of "Allusion" is: an expression designed to call something to mind without mentioning it explicitly; an indirect or passing reference.


The good doctor specifically says "travel"... and that is the allusion I refer to.

According to this pdf. from the ITA Office of Travel and Tourism Industries( http://travel.trade.gov/view/f-2000-99- ... NTRIES.pdf ) In 2014:

• 70 Million will travel to the U.S. from foreign countries
• 1 Million from India will travel to the U.S.

...to presume that the North American medical system is what would prevent an epidemic in Africa becoming a pandemic that could spread to the North America is is only re-validating my signature line...

...which you referred to..

[Monker]

You didn't even read your own quote. He is not making any allusions in that quote. The FACT is he EXPLICITLY said that an outbreak in Europe or the US would be quickly contained...which is what I have been saying. He then mentioned India because they do not wear gloves when treating patients. What he is saying, and alluding to, is countries not using standard sanitation practices are at risk...which is exactly what I have been saying.

What you guys who are all in some sorta fearful apocalypse mode refuse to understand is simple sanitation and isolation stops this virus in its tracks. Even if the patient is cared for at home. Clean needles, washing hands, wearing gloves and a mask, disposing of corpses properly...that is how the virus stops spreading.

He also said traveling while the virus is in its incubation period...which mean when the patient is NOT CONTAGIOUS...which further throws FF's crazy theories out the window.

the real problem... as the good Doctor in the article alluded to.. isn't the modern, western North American hospital systems... it's a rapid increase in the rate of infection in Europe and North America.... which he surmised... could eventually overwhelm the hospital systems...

He did not allude to that. There is not going to be a rapid increase in the infections in the US because we do not practice third world medicine. His concern was NOT the US...but the number of deaths in the under developed countries where the proper care to contain the virus has fallen apart.

The definition of "Allusion" is: an expression designed to call something to mind without mentioning it explicitly; an indirect or passing reference.


As I said the modern North American hospital system is not the problem. The rate of infection is. More specifically those traveling to the U.S. from countries where the rate of infection is increasing.

The doctor referred to India specifically here:

Do you think we might be facing the beginnings of a pandemic?

There will certainly be Ebola patients from Africa who come to us in the hopes of receiving treatment. And they might even infect a few people here who may then die. But an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control. I am more worried about the many people from India who work in trade or industry in west Africa. It would only take one of them to become infected, travel to India to visit relatives during the virus's incubation period, and then, once he becomes sick, go to a public hospital there. Doctors and nurses in India, too, often don't wear protective gloves. They would immediately become infected and spread the virus.

Just to refresh... the definition of "Allusion" is: an expression designed to call something to mind without mentioning it explicitly; an indirect or passing reference.


The good doctor specifically says "travel"... and that is the allusion I refer to.

According to this pdf. from the ITA Office of Travel and Tourism Industries( http://travel.trade.gov/view/f-2000-99- ... NTRIES.pdf ) In 2014:

• 70 Million will travel to the U.S. from foreign countries
• 1 Million from India will travel to the U.S.

...to presume that the North American medical system is what would prevent an epidemic in Africa becoming a pandemic that could spread to the North America is is only re-validating my signature line...

...which you referred to..

[tater1977]

Former IRS Goon Lois Lerner Tries to Bust Into Neighbor’s Home to Escape Reporter

October 7, 2014

by Jason DeWitt

http://toprightnews.com/?p=6364

Former IRS official Lois Lerner, who repeatedly targeted Barack Obama’s political opponents by denying them tax-exempt status, investigating and auditing them, got a taste of her own medicine last week.

Lerner was herself “targeted” — in her own neighborhood — at the hands of fearless reporter Jason Mattera.

“I wouldn’t want her in my house either!” Awesome. Even her own neighbors want nothing to do with her.

[JBlake]

Yeah, I've even seen the video that was shot of it and you got to ask yourself, if she was an honest person, she'd have no problem even just looking at the camera. This is how Demlibbies act when face to face with real people, not just some name and number on paper, or on a forum, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u88vMSbX_xA