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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:44 am

Fact Finder wrote:Man, berry looks suicidal in this presser.


Bus loads of grief counselors have been dispatched to assist the Democraps during their dark hours of transition.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:23 am

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Republican Joni Ernst, the first woman to represent Iowa in Congress and first female combat veteran to serve as US Senator, delivered her victory speech late Tuesday from Iowa.

“We didn’t agree on much but I admire anyone who is willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in. Well, Iowa. Well, Iowa, we did it! We did it!… It’s a long way from Red Oak to Washington, from the biscuit line at Hardees to the United States Senate. But, thanks to all of you, we are heading to Washington… And, we are going to make ‘em squeal! “



I love it, shove it right back up the Dems asses. Goose, Gander and all that. :D

Squeal you fucking pigs squeal. Soooooooey... :lol:

Reminds me of Palin's lipstick pitbull comment. And we all know how her political career flamed out. Repubs love to talk down to voters and sound as fake folksy as a novelty moonshine jug in the Cracker Barrel gift shop. If they could, the GOP would vote the Duck Dynasty guys president.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:51 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:This is the kind of Bullshit liberals are fed. This idiot posted this on her Facebook account this morning. Last I checked, nothing changes until January. And again, Republicans were the obstructers in the Congress? These idiots vote!
"Congratulations to the Republicans. They did what I truly never believed could be done. They wrecked this state and others; they obstructed our duly elected president; they voted against veterans and women and students and poor and immigrants and workers and climate change and the environment and progress. They stripped away civil liberties, women's rights to control their own bodies, and the right to be paid on an equal basis. They cut funding to education and social services and the CDC. They gave away billions to profitable corporations. They allowed corporate America to poison our water, contaminate our food, and to destroy our land through fracking. They voted more than 50 times to take away the healthcare that many of us waited forever to get. They refused to act on immigration and climate change and a jobs bill. They kept hundreds of thousands of legal voters off voter registrations, and reduced opportunities to vote. For all of this and more, they were rewarded with both chambers of Congress, and many state races. When things get worse, and they will, I hope those who voted for more of the same remember why they're getting it. And when they don't, please direct them to me. I'll be more than happy to remind them. I think I'll go vomit now."

Facebook is open to everyone. Instead of creeping on this young woman's prom pictures, why don't you set her straight? Just judging by her grammar, I can tell she would intellectually rape your ass.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:00 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Sad thing is, as Rush pointed out, the only reason Republicans get elected is to fix what liberals broke. As soon as they do, the voters go right back to voting Democrat and giving them the credit.

This is a generalization which can be applied to ANY party. Carter was elected to fix Nixon's mess. Reagan was elected to fix Carter's malaise etc. And so it goes, and always has. You have to be a moron to believe this is specific to any singular party.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:03 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Not only that FF, he twisted the point again. Limbaugh said "REPUBLICANS" are elected to fix the "DEMOCRATS" mess. The counter point made was just stupid.

And the point I'm making, which you're clearly too dense to understand, is that EVERY president is elected to fix the other guys mess. Party has nothing to do with anything. Stop waiting for politicians to magically solve your problems or for deaf drug addled radio disc jockeys to tell you what to think. Government programs, like Social Security and Medicare, have helped increase the standard of living for millions. That's a great metric by which all government actions should be judged. But a political party has as good a chance of solving the world's problems as you do of writing a post without spell check. Stop trying to find your Daddy behind the curtain of a voting booth. He ain't there.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:23 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Won't stop me from gloating. berry can now eat his own damn peas and take the blue pill. berry can now take his seat in the back of the bus for a long 2 year ride. berry said his policies were on the ballot and voters said "no mas". Every State that her thighness campaigned in lost, even Arkansas. Sweet! Hurry up 2016!


You can certainly gloat all you want to. But, that doesn't mean that any real change is going to come from this mid-term election. As I said before it does not stop his veto powers on things he does not like. It also does not stop his ability to use executive order to implement some things that he knows will never pass in the legislature.
It's not going to change his mind on what he thinks is good for the country and I doubt he will be that much more compromising.

On the subject of the next election cycle, in the next election the Republicans have a huge amount of seats to defend in Congress. So all this excitement over the Republican's current victory could be very short lived.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:34 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
Like Rush said today, "Republicans were not elected to reach across the isle, they were elected to reject the Obama Agenda". Donald Trump should now be on his way to the White House to deliver those two words to Barry. The liberal Media is already at work trying to make Republicans forget why they were elected and "work together". FO! Stand your ground. Now we're in for two years of Hillary. Obama's corpse will be tossed aside. He becomes the mistake, and they try to mold her into the answer. Sad thing is, as Rush pointed out, the only reason Republicans get elected is to fix what liberals broke. As soon as they do, the voters go right back to voting Democrat and giving them the credit. Today, I will enjoy myself, as all four out of four of my candidates won last night. :D


What will be interesting to see is if Hillary will start trashing the B.O. administration in her run for POTUS based on the results of this mid-term elections.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:44 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:This dick just tried to claim that he has lowered oil prices, WTF is he smoking? Now because of lower oil prices we don't need the Keystone Pipeline. He is off the rails and babbling for an hour and 20 minutes now. He really thinks that Climate Change and Immigration are the 2 major issues that people want tackled first and foremost. I'm telling you guys, Liberalism is a mental disorder and berry has it BAD!

I'm :shock:

I thought Bush and Cheeny had total control over oil prices.


It just falls in line with the Obama formula. Which is:

Something Good Happens = I did it.
Something Bad Happens = Blame Bush. If that fails, blame the Republicans. Last resort, find a "fall guy" in the administration.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:19 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote: Government programs, like Social Security and Medicare, have helped increase the standard of living for millions. That's a great metric by which all government actions should be judged.


A great metric as in that neither of these programs are sustainable. Even the federal government admits that they are not. So you improve the standard of living for people now at the expense of destroying the standard of living for people in the future. Sorry, but that doesn't look to me like a "great metric" or something that other programs should be modeled after.

Status of the Social Security and Medicare Programs
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

Spending Beyond Our Means: How We Are Bankrupting Future Generations
http://www.cato.org/publications/white- ... enerations
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:36 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:HERO, the man that put three into Bin Ladens head.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/navy-seal-who ... ml#nkRV21W


So is this guy currently an active Navy Seal? If he is, something tells me he won't be for long. Also what does the public really gain by knowing this information? If he has truly broken code of conduct then I don't have much respect for him.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:14 am

Boomchild wrote:
K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
Like Rush said today, "Republicans were not elected to reach across the isle, they were elected to reject the Obama Agenda". Donald Trump should now be on his way to the White House to deliver those two words to Barry. The liberal Media is already at work trying to make Republicans forget why they were elected and "work together". FO! Stand your ground. Now we're in for two years of Hillary. Obama's corpse will be tossed aside. He becomes the mistake, and they try to mold her into the answer. Sad thing is, as Rush pointed out, the only reason Republicans get elected is to fix what liberals broke. As soon as they do, the voters go right back to voting Democrat and giving them the credit. Today, I will enjoy myself, as all four out of four of my candidates won last night. :D


What will be interesting to see is if Hillary will start trashing the B.O. administration in her run for POTUS based on the results of this mid-term elections.


That's possibly a given because I recall clearly how she was trashing him leading up to the '09 election.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:58 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Understanding Liberals Feelings.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:05 am

Boomchild wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote: Government programs, like Social Security and Medicare, have helped increase the standard of living for millions. That's a great metric by which all government actions should be judged.


A great metric as in that neither of these programs are sustainable. Even the federal government admits that they are not. So you improve the standard of living for people now at the expense of destroying the standard of living for people in the future. Sorry, but that doesn't look to me like a "great metric" or something that other programs should be modeled after.

Status of the Social Security and Medicare Programs
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

Spending Beyond Our Means: How We Are Bankrupting Future Generations
http://www.cato.org/publications/white- ... enerations

Critics have been saying that since these programs came into existence. Solvency is a minor issue. For starters, the income cap on Social Security taxes needs to be raised. Why isn't annual income above 117k subject to payroll taxes? Of course, we have unlimited resources when it comes to warfare. It's only welfare that is the convenient whipping boy for the GOP to exploit racial tensions. It is an old argument. Welfare or warfare. Guns vs butter. Healthcare vs hellfire missiles. You choose. As Ron Paul recently tweeted: Republican control of the Senate = expanded neocon wars. Great job, guys!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:29 am

Dave:

Since Obama ran on "change", the Republican leadership made it their explicit agenda to ensure nothing Obama wanted to get done got through congress. There goal was that if nothing "changed" then Obama was a failure. This agenda was spoken in speeches by Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Paul Cantor, and probably others.

Since you believe this type of agenda is prolific in both parties, please point out quotes to me where Democratic leadership tried to derail every congreessional proposal by Reagan, Bush, or W. In fact, I doubt even Gingrich acted this way towards Clinton.

I am serious. It is my belief that what Republicans did in congress is unprecidented. If it's not, I'd like to see the proof.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:39 am

Boomchild wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote: Government programs, like Social Security and Medicare, have helped increase the standard of living for millions. That's a great metric by which all government actions should be judged.


A great metric as in that neither of these programs are sustainable. Even the federal government admits that they are not. So you improve the standard of living for people now at the expense of destroying the standard of living for people in the future. Sorry, but that doesn't look to me like a "great metric" or something that other programs should be modeled after.

Status of the Social Security and Medicare Programs
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

Spending Beyond Our Means: How We Are Bankrupting Future Generations
http://www.cato.org/publications/white- ... enerations


The great metric is that the generation that remembers seniors dying in the streets and wondering if they were going to join them once they were too old to work is dying out. So, we have ignorant people making grandiose assumptions that SS will go bankrupt and all of this crap...instead of making hard choices to ensure we do not return the 1930's.

People who earn hundreds of thousands of dollars in retirement should not be getting a SS check. SS is not a savings account and people need to stop thinking of it that way...and the governmnet needs to stop presenting it that way. The younger, working, generation pays for the senior, retired, generation. THAT is how SS works. You are paying for your parents, and grand parents retirement...not saving up for your own.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:45 am

As for the election...

You all reacted the same way 4yrs ago...a lot of good it did when it came time for the Presidential race. You don't even want to admit the party's failings. Instead, you go right into the old patterns that caused you to lose the last election.

Clinton is going to win in a landslide, if the Republicans keep their current direction...maybe after the election in 2yrs, some of the leadership will learn - but I doubt it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:08 am

Fact Finder wrote:We lost the Presidential Election because Romney WAS NOT a Conservative, he was an Obama lite.

Every 4 years you guys run a candidate who runs to the extreme right and loses. Yes, McCain and Romney had moderate pasts. Did they run as moderates? No.

Fact Finder wrote:Next you're going to tell us we need to go to DC and "work together", :D , no thanks, we tried that only to have The Won say, "I Won", and proceed to have the Dems (who were in complete control) shove unpopular legislation, most notably Ocare down our throats.

And this was after Obama capitulated to GOP demands for how long?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:00 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:McCain did run as a Moderate. He's the "Maverick", remember.

And obviously you don't remember a damn thing about the 2008 race. In fact, I have to wonder if you even paid attention to politics before FF created this thread. If McCain had run as a moderate, he never would have won the Republican primaries, where each candidate tries to outshine each other in the crazy department. It is this exact reason why past moderate GOP candidates, like Rudy Giuliani and Jon Hunstman, crashed and burned so spectacularly. McCain's conversion to certifiable right winger was a HUGE issue throughout the 2008 race, with many former supporters expressing disgust how he had completely betrayed his principles and that “the straight talk express” was in a ditch. The Washington Post, for example, wrote: “The John McCain of old is unrecognizable. He has become the sort of politician he once despised.” A revealing example to me was when McCain wanted to pick Democrat Joe Lieberman as his Vice Presidential nominee but ended up choosing Sarah Palin. This was just yet another calculated red meat pitch to an insatiable extremist base. Of course voters like you wouldn't be satisfied unless McCain wagged his middle finger to Obama's face and called him “macaca” during a televised debate. To anyone who has actually followed politics or McCain's career, it's pretty easy to pinpoint when the Maverick first started to sell his soul (see below).

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:13 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Critics have been saying that since these programs came into existence. Solvency is a minor issue. For starters, the income cap on Social Security taxes needs to be raised. Why isn't annual income above 117k subject to payroll taxes? Of course, we have unlimited resources when it comes to warfare. It's only welfare that is the convenient whipping boy for the GOP to exploit racial tensions. It is an old argument. Welfare or warfare. Guns vs butter. Healthcare vs hellfire missiles. You choose. As Ron Paul recently tweeted: Republican control of the Senate = expanded neocon wars. Great job, guys!


Solvency has everything to do with whether the program is good or bad. I wouldn't call the trusties of Social Security "critics". SS is funded by specific tax dollars deducted from working people's wages. So spending in other areas of government does not effect it. That funding would not be deposited into the SS program anyway. Of course the progressive Democrat answer to the problem is to tax the working population more. Although, the SS trusties have pointed out that is not "the cure" since due to lower birth rates there will not be enough taxes raised to support those receiving benefits.

Both programs will experience cost growth substantially in excess of GDP growth through the mid-2030s due to rapid population aging caused by the large baby-boom generation entering retirement and lower-birth-rate generations entering employment and, in the case of Medicare, to growth in expenditures per beneficiary exceeding growth in per capita GDP.

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:27 pm

Monker wrote:
People who earn hundreds of thousands of dollars in retirement should not be getting a SS check.


I would agree with this. If your income is as such that you do not need SS benefits to cover your living expenses, then you should not receive it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby steveo777 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:41 pm

Boomchild wrote:
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People who earn hundreds of thousands of dollars in retirement should not be getting a SS check.


I would agree with this. If your income is as such that you do not need SS benefits to cover your living expenses, then you should not receive it.


Sorry, but if they had it deducted from their paychecks, while they were working, they are entitled to it. Key is, they paid in. We have too many people who contributed nothing receiving benefits. Aim it to someone else. Should we also stop paying retirement to veterans who suddenly have too much income? Don't go there!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:38 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:I don't care what one reporter writes..

One article of MANY. It is a documented FACT that McCain shifted to the right in order to win. He went from being no fan of the religious right to speaking at Jerry Falwell's university. He went from opposing Bush's tax cuts to proposing similar tax cuts. YES, it happened. YES, it was a HUGE issue as it happened. YES, you are mentally ill. Deal with it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03456.html
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/ ... ter12.html
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13541.html
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/was ... cain_x.htm
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14986.html
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/joh ... ck-to-liar
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7958.html
http://www.wnd.com/2008/08/71720/

K.C.Journey Fan wrote: and i remember it well.

Clearly you don't. And your track record of shameless lying speaks for itself. It must be nice living completely detached from reality. Not sure if you have any close family, but they should really dump you in assisted living.

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:McCain is the most famous RINO in the Senate.

And Romney went from being a famous pro-choice, pro-universal healthcare governor to being none of that. That's politics!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:57 pm

Boomchild wrote:Solvency has everything to do with whether the program is good or bad. I wouldn't call the trusties of Social Security "critics". SS is funded by specific tax dollars deducted from working people's wages. So spending in other areas of government does not effect it. That funding would not be deposited into the SS program anyway. Of course the progressive Democrat answer to the problem is to tax the working population more. Although, the SS trusties have pointed out that is not "the cure" since due to lower birth rates there will not be enough taxes raised to support those receiving benefits.


Social Security is solvent through 2038. Even after that date it can pay around 80% of its benefits. If the 100k income cap was done away with, the program would be solvent for 70 years. The last President to cut a deal and extend the program was Ronald Reagan. Nowadays, modern Republicans like you ('cuz that's what you are, despite your phony Libertarian posturing) just bitch, whine, and propagate the lies of the Cato institute and anti-social security crusaders like Wall Street billionaire Peter Peterson. You have no solutions. You just hate the government, and apparently hold a grudge against your grandparents for pinching your cheeks too hard. Social Security isn't going anywhere. It will most likely outlive every member of this forum.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:29 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Social Security is solvent through 2038. Even after that date it can pay around 80% of its benefits. If the 100k income cap was done away with, the program would be solvent for 70 years. The last President to cut a deal and extend the program was Ronald Reagan. Nowadays, modern Republicans like you ('cuz that's what you are, despite your phony Libertarian posturing) just bitch, whine, and propagate the lies of the Cato institute and anti-social security crusaders like Wall Street billionaire Peter Peterson. You have no solutions. You just hate the government, and apparently hold a grudge against your grandparents for pinching your cheeks to hard. Social Security isn't going anywhere. It will most likely outlive every member of this forum.


Again, I will point you to the trusties of SS which are not "critics" or propagandists for an anti Social Security group. They deal in the reality of the situation. I am sure they know quite a bit more about it then you do. They very clearly point out that if things keep going in the same direction there will not be enough people in the working class to support the benefits of being paid out. Your simple answer is to tax people more. Which is the only solution progressive Democrats have in their toolbox. A better choice could be letting people keep the money they earn and have them invest it. They would more then likely get a better return then being taxed and not even being sure that they will receive a benefit back for doing so.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:47 am

steveo777 wrote:Sorry, but if they had it deducted from their paychecks, while they were working, they are entitled to it. Key is, they paid in. We have too many people who contributed nothing receiving benefits. Aim it to someone else. Should we also stop paying retirement to veterans who suddenly have too much income? Don't go there!


Veteran benefits is a different subject. One the problems with SS is that benefits are being paid to those that never paid into it. It shouldn't have been designed that way. There should have been separate programs to address the aspects of public assistance that is not retirement based. Obviously there are people in this country that able to support themselves in retirement without SS benefits. They should be willing to elect not to receive it so that it goes people in retirement that are in more a need of assistance from SS. Either that or have your SS payments based on what your income or net worth is upon retirement.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:06 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Know what? I gotta give TNC this one. McCain did lie and run as a hard core Conservative, even though he's a lying RINO. Sort of funny having a lying bigot slime call me a liar for a mistake.

I appreciate you owning up to your mistake. Good man.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:09 am

Boomchild wrote:Again, I will point you to the trusties of SS which are not "critics" or propagandists for an anti Social Security group.

No, they are six government workers. Big deal. Treasury secretary, Labor secretary, Health services Secretary, Soc. Security Commissioner and a few others. Most of them aren't economists. If they weren't trustees, you would be on here bashing them as communistic, bean-counting government bureaucrats, feeding at the trough of hardworking patriotic Americans. Hate to break it to you, but they are NOT infallible gods. I also think it is rich that somebody like you is relying on government data from a government website to prove an anti-government stance. You also cited the Cato institute, which has been pushing to privatize Social Security ever since the Koch Bros. father founded Cato in the 70s. My, how very objective of you. No agenda there. :roll:
Boomchild wrote:They deal in the reality of the situation. I am sure they know quite a bit more about it then you do.

Oh, I bet. And I'm sure George Tenet knew more about Iraq WMDs than the anti-war critics who said invading was a mistake, right? RIGHT? It's good to see you take everything the government says at face value. When you’re informed by the Gov’t that you've won an all expense paid trip to Baja, can we count on you to be the first guy to climb aboard the cattle train headed to the FEMA health & wellness center? Remember to pack a swim suit to check out their world class sauna (i.e. crematorium).
Boomchild wrote:They very clearly point out that if things keep going in the same direction there will not be enough people in the working class to support the benefits of being paid out.

The ratio of beneficiaries to workers had also dropped in the 80's. Fear mongering about imminent collapse was everywhere. Didn't happen. Taxes were raised, changes to cost of living were adopted. The same scare tactics happened under Clinton, who was actually prepared to privatize, before Blowjobgate happened. Again, total hype.
Boomchild wrote:Your simple answer is to tax people more. Which is the only solution progressive Democrats have in their toolbox. A better choice could be letting people keep the money they earn and have them invest it. They would more then likely get a better return then being taxed and not even being sure that they will receive a benefit back for doing so.

And the only tool in the Republican toolbox is to re-distribute money upwards in the guise of free market solutions. Retirement funds should not be entrusted to the same wheeling and dealing investment banks which tanked the economy, letting account managers skim off the top. By the time you factor in transition costs that idea costs more, not less. If Bush had successfully made soc. security one big 401K in 2004, millions would have lost their retirement savings in the subprime crash. And if the past is any indication, those same people would have immediately run to the government expecting a handout. Here’s an easy two-pronged solution for solving the imaginary soc. security “crisis” - remove the 100k income cap and implement a FTT tax. Boom. Easy. Done. You may now hit the Staples button. :wink:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:10 am

We lost the Presidential Election because Romney WAS NOT a Conservative, he was an Obama lite.


Perhaps you should go back and reread your enthusiastic posts stating how he was going to win. Everytime a new Pew poll came out you were all over it as if the election was already decided. Perhaps you should go back and read your reaction to the Republican loss.

You were behind Romney all the way, promoting him, and certain of his win...all the way through election day.

I believe that the majority don't want these issues fixed, they want them stopped.


You are incredibly wrong. People are sick and tired of a stangnant congress. Continuously retreading issues that are six years old is not what the majority wants. The want a functioning congress that actually does "something", not go on break during immigrant baby crisis, Ebola, and ISIS...without doing ANYTHING.

But, go ahead, believe and quote Rush. That's part of the Republican problem...so you may as well keep digging your hole until you have no choice but to admit what you've done.

Executive action on immigration all hell is going to break loose.


Good. At least he is doing something. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Congress (all of them) are part of the problem.

You do realize that the Pubbies now hold 70 of the 98 State Legislatures and 31 Governors Mansions along with the largest ever in History US House Majority don't you? The Clintons have completely lost Arkansas, the WHOLE DAM STATE was voted Pubbie on Tuesday, completely Republican. I think you are seriously over estimating Hillarys popularity, especially among women.


No, you are using local politics to prove a national political point. Politics does not work that way.

You do realize that the Republican party has a national approval rating of just %37, correct? The lowest approval rating of either party since Pew began polling. You are in for a rude awakening in two years.

BTW, the "Republican, current direction" just resulted in what quite a few pundits called an "ass whoopin', wave, landslide, shellacking and Nuclear Explosion."


Yep...and so what? I said long ago that these midterms were irrelevant in the big picture. Again, you said the same type of things four years ago. I have said - for a VERY long time - that Republicans know how to win congress but they are far away from winning the Presidency. All you do is flip flop. When it is time to prop up your party, you are all in regardless of the candidate...when you lose, it's the candidates fault. Last round, I said none of the Republican candidates were electable...and I argued with Deano that Clinton was not electable at that time. Prior to that, McCain looked like a complete fool...a senile old man.

Now you're telling us we need to change in order to win. Hilarious


YES. For an incredibly long time, Democrats controlled congress and could not win the Presidency. They needed someone to come in and redefine the party in a national way. That is what Clinton did. Like it or not, you need a Republican version of Bill Clinton.

next you're going to tell us we need to go to DC and "work together", :D , no thanks, we tried that only to have The Won say, "I Won", and proceed to have the Dems (who were in complete control) shove unpopular legislation, most notably Ocare down our throats. I'm hoping the new crew returns the favor. :wink:


That is simply a lie and a rewriting of history.

There was no attempt by the Republicans to compromise during the Health Care debate. There was also no attempt by the Democrats to ram it down your throats. That debate went on for how long? Over a year? You all must be some GMO with DNA combined with girraffs to have throats that long. In the end the Democrats compromised too much for no gain at all. What the President propsed is NOT the bill that passed.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:18 am

Boomchild wrote:

Monker wrote:
People who earn hundreds of thousands of dollars in retirement should not be getting a SS check.



I would agree with this. If your income is as such that you do not need SS benefits to cover your living expenses, then you should not receive it.



Sorry, but if they had it deducted from their paychecks, while they were working, they are entitled to it. Key is, they paid in.


So what? They paid for their parents and grandparents. That should be good enough. Saying they are entitled to getting it back is not how the system works. SS is really a sort of welfare tax. Should somebody getting $200,000/yr in their own investments be entitled to receive welfare? I don't think so.

Should we also stop paying retirement to veterans who suddenly have too much income? Don't go there!


That is a different situation. A veteran should be held in highest esteem by all Americans and receive all benefits promised to them for their service.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:26 am

Veteran benefits is a different subject. One the problems with SS is that benefits are being paid to those that never paid into it. It shouldn't have been designed that way.


You need a history lesson. It was designed that way to get senior out of poverty. The entire first generation of SSN recepients did not pay into it. There was no other way to "design it" for it to have an immediate affect.

The purpose of SS was to keep seniors out of poverty...not as an investment tool.

Either that or have your SS payments based on what your income or net worth is upon retirement.


Exactly...but good luck getting congress to pass that one.
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