President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[trekman]

"So much to comment on tonight. While live long and prosper is on my mind today, LN did exactly that and I for one am glad he lived and shared his gift.

I wish the same could be said for yet another dead Russian patriot trying to warn his people about Putin and his real plan in the Ukraine. Boris Nemtsov was shot near the kremlin today. Shot four times. One for each child he left behind. We need to wake on this massive threat.

Lois Lerner's emails should send many people including her to jail, but it won't. 8-10 years from now America will begin to understand just how corrupt this administration really was. If we last that long.

How does Hillary Clinton sleep at night. Her Bengazi emails are now out and show she knew it had nothing to do with a film with in two minutes. It wasn't until she and the president spoke on the phone that night that she brought up the film. Corruption, lies and dead Americans. Shameful.

Glad to see people walk out of cpac with Jeb. How does the GOP expect to win with a third of the base turning their back?

Loved Laura Ingrahm today at cpac.

Funny how I spoke about progressive republicans and was never invited back. smile emoticon. Good job Laura!

The GOP doesn't have a clue. Thank God the HR stopped the funding for parts of DHS tonight. Illegal is illegal. Congress must stand up for equal power. Louis Gohmert gave a great speech today.

Still no one is talking about the Chicago Police Black site where they are Ghosting people. Huge story. Please find it and pass it on. ALL Americans need to be aware of the militarization of our police force.

Finally, pay attention to Benjamin Netenyahu's speech next week. The Administration does not want you to see or hear this. They are afraid of him going direct to the American people because they know he will connect.

I am convinced this could be a pivot point in history. Our president is Neville Chamberlain or worse and BB N is the closest we have to Winston Churchill.

If BBN does what I think he is capable of doing and people actually watch and listen to his speech the country may begin to reject the nonsense of middle eastern job creation schemes.

The caliphate is real and they believe they are the army to bring on Armageddon. We don't have to believe it, but we do have to understand they do. You cannot negotiate with people who are that psychotic. Russia is the other hand. The rise of fascism is real and spreading fast in Europe.

Pray for all those who are in danger tonight because of their faith, opinion, sexual preference or color. We are in this together.

United we stand.

From a snowy Dallas. Goodnight America."

Glenn Beck

[slucero]

China just cock blocked the U.S. by siding with Putin on the Ukraine... so any action by NATO will be dead in the water due to China's "no" vote....


The U.S. is incrementally looking like the UK at the end of her imperial hegemony..

[Monker]

Goddammit.... shut this fucking thread down immediately. Don't any of you have lives?

Nope...most of the lives here have obviously been taken hostage by FOX, Glen Beck, and conservative talk radio.

Or MSNBC, Al Gore, Saul Alinsky and Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven...

That's bullshit.

How far back in this thread do you have to go to read huge quotes or links to articles any of the above who you mention?

How far back in this thread do you have to go to read huge quotes or links to articles from those who I posted? TWO posts? The Republican and conservative propaganda posted in this thread is sickly and pathetic.

As for me, I rarely watch MSNBC...in fact, I probably watch FOX as much as I do MSNBC. I have posted many times that Al Gore exxagerates FAR too much, and I do not know anything about the other weirdos you mentioned.

I am fiercely independent and rely on my own research and knowledge instead of words from people who are being paid to spread crap and propaganda for a specific ideology, party, or their own popularity.

"Fact Finder" is a misnomer. You don't care about facts...just what others tell you is 'truth' to advance a common cause that you share with them. "Myth Finder", "Lie Finder", "McCarthyish Finder", "Bullshit Finder", "I am conservative and this article is proof Finder". That is what you truly are.

[Boomchild]

Boomchild, would you agree that Russia has a missle that could reach the US? Last time I left Kiev, the gate next to me was going to Terran. It is no problem walking on a flight to Iran from any Russian or Ukrainian airport. They get along just fine. I'm sure Putin could sell a missle or two to an old buddie. I had a friend in Nikolaev that worked for a company that made turbines for dams and sold some to Iran. It didn't set well with me. It's one of those little eye openers you get when you live outside America for a while. The question would be is Putin and Iran that stupid? I'm afraid I'd have to say yes to Iran, and maybe about Putin.

The point is Putin COULD but no evidence shows he has or is intending to. So to act as if he has wouldn't be a good thing to do. I haven't read or seen evidence that the nuclear weapons threat is imminent at this point when it comes to Iran. I do not doubt that they are trying to develop them. That doesn't equal they have them now and are threatening to use them. If they did and were directly threatening the U.S. then we should act. But to think that imposing sanctions or non military invasion of Iran is going stop them from continuing to try and develop them is wrong. To me taking military action against them at this point is not warranted. Look how long North Korea has been trying to develop a functional nuclear missile program and there tests have been less then positive. They are also friends with China and doesn't seem to me that China is giving them nuclear missiles or aiding in developing N. Korea's program.

[Boomchild]

The point is, you turn your back to the rest of what's going on in the world and it's going to play out and then be knocking (or breaking down) your front door, whether you like it or not. You must be pretty proud wearing John "mule face" Kerry's jersey.

First, were not talking about "the rest of the world". To be specific we are talking about trying to settle a struggle between feuding religious sects in the Middle East that has gone on for centuries. Something that history has proven we (U.S.) as well as any other country or nation outside of the Middle East has been unsuccessful at doing. In other words, you seem to want to subscribe to the the theory of "keep doing the same thing and expecting different results". You can't force people of different views of the Islamic faith to get along. Our government is not about to wipe them all off the face of the earth or occupy and police the entire Middle East which is what it seems it would take to achieve what you think should happen.

[Boomchild]

Boomchild, I agree with you. I just wanted to show just how possible and easy it could be if Iran wanted too. A sane mind could have figured that out, like you. Putin, and the world for that matter has nothing to fear for two more years. Then someone in the White house,hopefully, will be smart enough to handle things instead of the world just laughing at us daring us to make another red line. Iran's "Talking" is nothing more then buying time.

Many things are possible. I feel that our continued involvement in that region is more of a threat to our country and a undo risk to the lives of our military personnel operating there. To me the deaths of our military personnel over there is all for nothing. Also, I have yet to see or hear anyone that would handle the situation properly. The problem stems far beyond those running our government and conducting our foreign policy.

[JBlake]

Goddammit.... shut this fucking thread down immediately. Don't any of you have lives?

Spoken like a true dictator. BTW, "you" as in you too since you took the time to post which meant you also took time to read. Never underestimate the powers of hypocrisy.

[JBlake]

Yeah, things are fix'in to get really interesting over there pretty soon. But you can't blame Israel because we all know how America got all involved in blocking the nukes from coming to Cuba. Just another fine example of fuckhead Obama being a totally self centered prick. Self centered pricks are just par for the course when dealing with Democrapers these days though. Just par for the course.

Report: Obama Threatened to Shoot Down IAF Iran Strike
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... PNg42K9KSO

[steveo777]

Benjamin N spoke with authority, conviction and honesty. He really helped remind me what a real president looks like, vs. the POS that currently occupies the White House. No wonder Nancy Pelosi acted like a child. Liberal Democrats just can't deal with the truth. Honesty does not exist within this corrupt organization. We have the most lying, ideologue president in history. If he really loved America, why would he promise to fundamentally change her? We, folks, have been infiltrated by Hitleresque assholes who wish to destroy this, once great country. I used to think I might be crazy for thinking these things, then I realized I was not alone. I hear a lot of echos of the same sentiments. So, What The Fuck is going one? Are we being imploded?

[JBlake]

Stage 2 of the Hillary email scandal has been achieved, as yesterday’s “confused old lady who didn’t understand how email works” defense utterly collapsed with the Associated Press’ discovery that Clinton’s mail server was located in her house (her estate in Chappaqua, to be exact — the one she had to settle for because she was “dead broke” after Bill left office) and was registered under the name of a man who does not appear to exist.

Yeah this newest email deal is incredible. And there are some who want this old hag as the next president. What a friggin joke! What's even a bigger joke is the fact that some think she did this email deal by honest mistake. Absolutely no mistake. It was an on purpose. Without the right people knowing about the existence of this off the record email account that she has been doing her dealing with, there is no way they could get those records for future review. The Clintons are nothing but a bunch of sleazebag criminals. But look at what their activities were during the 60's and all that is going on with them over the past 20 or so years puts everything well into perspective. Lessons should have been learned way back during the Whitewater scandal.

[Boomchild]

Benjamin N spoke with authority, conviction and honesty. He really helped remind me what a real president looks like, vs. the POS that currently occupies the White House. No wonder Nancy Pelosi acted like a child. Liberal Democrats just can't deal with the truth. Honesty does not exist within this corrupt organization. We have the most lying, ideologue president in history. If he really loved America, why would he promise to fundamentally change her? We, folks, have been infiltrated by Hitleresque assholes who wish to destroy this, once great country. I used to think I might be crazy for thinking these things, then I realized I was not alone. I hear a lot of echos of the same sentiments. So, What The Fuck is going one? Are we being imploded?

As some of our founding fathers have said, "Every Republic will Fall". It seems that we are witnessing this today. The corruption runs deep from our local, state and federal government. The country has changed and will continue to change and I'm afraid not in a good way for it's citizens.

[Boomchild]

A House investigative committee is preparing to send out subpoenas later Wednesday to gather a deeper look into former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton’s nearly exclusive use of personal e-mails to do her official business as the government’s top diplomat, according to people familiar with the probe.

The House Select Committee on Benghazi, which first discovered Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail based on a home server in its inquiry into a fatal 2012 terrorist attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, is asking for all e-mails related to the attack from all Clintonemail.com accounts and any other staff members’ personal accounts.

The subpoenas are expected to go out to the State Department later Wednesday. The move escalates the panel’s conflict with Clinton and could complicate her expected run for president.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

The fact that she even able to do this is alarming in it self.

[slucero]

Benjamin N spoke with authority, conviction and honesty. He really helped remind me what a real president looks like, vs. the POS that currently occupies the White House. No wonder Nancy Pelosi acted like a child. Liberal Democrats just can't deal with the truth. Honesty does not exist within this corrupt organization. We have the most lying, ideologue president in history. If he really loved America, why would he promise to fundamentally change her? We, folks, have been infiltrated by Hitleresque assholes who wish to destroy this, once great country. I used to think I might be crazy for thinking these things, then I realized I was not alone. I hear a lot of echos of the same sentiments. So, What The Fuck is going one? Are we being imploded?

As some of our founding fathers have said, "Every Republic will Fall". It seems that we are witnessing this today. The corruption runs deep from our local, state and federal government. The country has changed and will continue to change and I'm afraid not in a good way for it's citizens.

The Republic failed awhile back...

[JBlake]

So now are we to believe that there's not even a smidgen of evidence that the current administration knew anything about that old hag's hidden personal email deals? Yeah just like IRS, VA, etc. etc. etc. Funny thing is most, if not all.... Democrapers fall for these lies over and over again.

It's going to get really good when some, most, all, ? of these emails are published. I'm sure no real names were used. God I wonder what code names she used for individuals such as Obama, Biden, etc. etc.? Cause you all know she includes them in these emails. Hey Democrapers.......how's that for this administrations "transparency"? Ha Ha Ha,......you dumbshits!

[Boomchild]

So now are we to believe that there's not even a smidgen of evidence that the current administration knew anything about that old hag's hidden personal email deals? Yeah just like IRS, VA, etc. etc. etc. Funny thing is most, if not all.... Democrapers fall for these lies over and over again.

It's going to get really good when some, most, all, ? of these emails are published. I'm sure no real names were used. God I wonder what code names she used for individuals such as Obama, Biden, etc. etc.? Cause you all know she includes them in these emails. Hey Democrapers.......how's that for this administrations "transparency"? Ha Ha Ha,......you dumbshits!

One would think that since she is in possession of all those email communications, she can select what she turns over. Therefore, I highly doubt we will see anything earth shattering or something that would get her in trouble. It's highly probable that the B.O. administration knew she was doing this and it was done on purpose to hide things. If the administration as well as the department responsible for ensuring these communications are handled according to the law did not know she was doing this, then we are in big trouble.

[JBlake]

Although Hillary Clinton and her allies may be claiming that her private e-mail system is no big deal, Hillary’s State Department actually forced the 2012 resignation of the U.S. ambassador to Kenya in part for setting up an unsanctioned private e-mail system. According to a 2012 report from the State Department’s inspector general, former U.S. ambassador to Kenya Scott Gration set up a private e-mail system for his office in 2011.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/05/hil ... te-e-mail/

This may be where she got the idea to do the same thing. One crook teaching another crook the in's and out's of conducting criminal activities. Couldn't have happened to a better bunch of sleaze bags.

[trekman]

Benjamin N spoke with authority, conviction and honesty. He really helped remind me what a real president looks like, vs. the POS that currently occupies the White House. No wonder Nancy Pelosi acted like a child. Liberal Democrats just can't deal with the truth. Honesty does not exist within this corrupt organization. We have the most lying, ideologue president in history. If he really loved America, why would he promise to fundamentally change her? We, folks, have been infiltrated by Hitleresque assholes who wish to destroy this, once great country. I used to think I might be crazy for thinking these things, then I realized I was not alone. I hear a lot of echos of the same sentiments. So, What The Fuck is going one? Are we being imploded?

And both with Fear & sadness I think unless someone does something soon Islam will continue to play a role in the destruction of the America we know and love. Having problems believing this? Would you believe a man of God who feels the same way?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03 ... n-america/

[Monker]

Benjamin N spoke with authority, conviction and honesty. He really helped remind me what a real president looks like, vs. the POS that currently occupies the White House. No wonder Nancy Pelosi acted like a child. Liberal Democrats just can't deal with the truth. Honesty does not exist within this corrupt organization. We have the most lying, ideologue president in history. If he really loved America, why would he promise to fundamentally change her? We, folks, have been infiltrated by Hitleresque assholes who wish to destroy this, once great country. I used to think I might be crazy for thinking these things, then I realized I was not alone. I hear a lot of echos of the same sentiments. So, What The Fuck is going one? Are we being imploded?

And both with Fear & sadness I think unless someone does something soon Islam will continue to play a role in the destruction of the America we know and love. Having problems believing this? Would you believe a man of God who feels the same way?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03 ... n-america/

What a ridiculous comment...him saying that the President snubbed BiBi because he's from Israel. He was snubbed because both BiBi and the Republicans used this speech invite as political propaganda. And, o use that as some type of evidence that Muslim groups have influence over him...Whatever...if you believe that article you are incredibly naive.

[trekman]

Benjamin N spoke with authority, conviction and honesty. He really helped remind me what a real president looks like, vs. the POS that currently occupies the White House. No wonder Nancy Pelosi acted like a child. Liberal Democrats just can't deal with the truth. Honesty does not exist within this corrupt organization. We have the most lying, ideologue president in history. If he really loved America, why would he promise to fundamentally change her? We, folks, have been infiltrated by Hitleresque assholes who wish to destroy this, once great country. I used to think I might be crazy for thinking these things, then I realized I was not alone. I hear a lot of echos of the same sentiments. So, What The Fuck is going one? Are we being imploded?

And both with Fear & sadness I think unless someone does something soon Islam will continue to play a role in the destruction of the America we know and love. Having problems believing this? Would you believe a man of God who feels the same way?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03 ... n-america/

What a ridiculous comment...him saying that the President snubbed BiBi because he's from Israel. He was snubbed because both BiBi and the Republicans used this speech invite as political propaganda. And, o use that as some type of evidence that Muslim groups have influence over him...Whatever...if you believe that article you are incredibly naive.

The opinion of a non believer. Your choice. Your Future. I choose to believe a Christian man of God. Ive seen all the proof I need to, to believe.

[Monker]

The opinion of a non believer. Your choice. Your Future. I choose to believe a Christian man of God. Ive seen all the proof I need to, to believe.

Even someone who proclaims themselves to be a Christian can still partake in partisan politics and be prone to the imperfections that comes along with being human. To be believe any human is so overly pious is dangerous.

But, regardless of that, it's a fact that both BiBi and Bonehead were practicing politics with the entire charade. And, it's a fact that snubbing BiBi was politics responding to politics. To take that and twist it into some evidence that Obama is under the influence of Muslim groups is not based in reality.

[trekman]

The opinion of a non believer. Your choice. Your Future. I choose to believe a Christian man of God. Ive seen all the proof I need to, to believe.

Even someone who proclaims themselves to be a Christian can still partake in partisan politics and be prone to the imperfections that comes along with being human. To be believe any human is so overly pious is dangerous.

But, regardless of that, it's a fact that both BiBi and Bonehead were practicing politics with the entire charade. And, it's a fact that snubbing BiBi was politics responding to politics. To take that and twist it into some evidence that Obama is under the influence of Muslim groups is not based in reality.

I agree, to follow and believe someone can be dangerous. Pious or not. Political Or Religious reasons alone can be deceiving to someone that is weak minded and only looking for like minded people. Yes we are only human and make mistakes. And it was and is partially political games that Netanyahu and Obama play. But I think Netanyahu has more at stake and to lose. And personally I believe Obama doesnt like him Or the Jewish people and Israel. His position as Potus and the majority of public opinion keep him from completely allowing Israel to be destroyed.

But if you have been involved with or in politics Or religion or Any subject for most of or all your life dont you consider yourself well informed and knowledgeable on the subject? You read, you watch, you study, you get involved, you interact and after so many years you become a expert on that subject. Isnt that how it works? Thats how someone gets a career, right? So wouldnt a person like Franklin Graham or his father Billy Graham be experts on religion? Maybe more so on Christianity than other religions, but on religion.

If someone calls themselves Christian or Jewish or Islamic or any other religion isnt it reasonable to think they have allowed those religions to influence them in their lives, in some way?

So by what a person says or what they write or how they act can give you some answers to what kind a person they are. Franklin Graham listens to his father (Billy) and his heavenly father, God. He reads and writes and studies religion. All his life he has done this. President Obama all his life has been involved with, interacted with, studied, written about and talked about Islam. He talks about it all the time and how great it is and how he will always support the Islamic faith and the people of the Qur'an. So I think, I believe both these people are experts on the subjects on their religions.

And all those things that they read and study and watch and all those people they listen to and learn from and get information from arent influential? You dont really believe that do you? How are You influenced?

I know that you cant believe all you read, see and hear on the internet. You choose to believe what you want, as I do. I know that Valerie Jarrett and others here http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/shari ... ppointees/ have the presidents ear in some shape or form. What they say and what they do is ok'd by their superiors and the superiors of those superiors and so on. I think that with Obama's beliefs he listens very carefully to what all the Muslims that work for him have to say. He may not do all or anything they say or advise him of/on. Or he may. And just do it a clandestine way, where it isnt made public or at least not until after the fact.

I Do believe Obama's actions are influenced by who has been and are now around him. Muslim or not. And I also believe those influences are bad for America. Those are my beliefs and opinions.

[Boomchild]

I agree, to follow and believe someone can be dangerous. Pious or not. Political Or Religious reasons alone can be deceiving to someone that is weak minded and only looking for like minded people. Yes we are only human and make mistakes. And it was and is partially political games that Netanyahu and Obama play. But I think Netanyahu has more at stake and to lose. And personally I believe Obama doesnt like him Or the Jewish people and Israel. His position as Potus and the majority of public opinion keep him from completely allowing Israel to be destroyed.

But if you have been involved with or in politics Or religion or Any subject for most of or all your life dont you consider yourself well informed and knowledgeable on the subject? You read, you watch, you study, you get involved, you interact and after so many years you become a expert on that subject. Isnt that how it works? Thats how someone gets a career, right? So wouldnt a person like Franklin Graham or his father Billy Graham be experts on religion? Maybe more so on Christianity than other religions, but on religion.

If someone calls themselves Christian or Jewish or Islamic or any other religion isnt it reasonable to think they have allowed those religions to influence them in their lives, in some way?

So by what a person says or what they write or how they act can give you some answers to what kind a person they are. Franklin Graham listens to his father (Billy) and his heavenly father, God. He reads and writes and studies religion. All his life he has done this. President Obama all his life has been involved with, interacted with, studied, written about and talked about Islam. He talks about it all the time and how great it is and how he will always support the Islamic faith and the people of the Qur'an. So I think, I believe both these people are experts on the subjects on their religions.

And all those things that they read and study and watch and all those people they listen to and learn from and get information from arent influential? You dont really believe that do you? How are You influenced?

I know that you cant believe all you read, see and hear on the internet. You choose to believe what you want, as I do. I know that Valerie Jarrett and others here http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/shari ... ppointees/ have the presidents ear in some shape or form. What they say and what they do is ok'd by their superiors and the superiors of those superiors and so on. I think that with Obama's beliefs he listens very carefully to what all the Muslims that work for him have to say. He may not do all or anything they say or advise him of/on. Or he may. And just do it a clandestine way, where it isnt made public or at least not until after the fact.

I Do believe Obama's actions are influenced by who has been and are now around him. Muslim or not. And I also believe those influences are bad for America. Those are my beliefs and opinions.

Very well put.

[JBlake]

Are there any bigger liars around?

Aboard Air Force One, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest indicates that President Obama probably found out about the Hillary Clinton email scandal from the media.

Earnest told reporters traveling with the president that he wouldn’t be surprised if Obama first learned about Clinton’s homebrew server this week, according to the pool report.

So as I said yesterday, how believable is it to think Hill and people at the WH NEVER EVER emailed for 4 fucking years?

They take us for fools.

TNC and Monker, but not you or I. The republicans don't fall for the usual democraper bullshit. Got to wonder who else from like the VA, IRS, WH.....etc. has hidden personal email accounts that they conduct their political crime (PC) activities on.

One thing for sure, it's going to be a real howl trying to figure out who all the code names in the email correspondence are referencing. Cause you know she couldn't mention anyone by real name in those emails. "Mr. Ed", that would be John "mule face" Kerry. "Goober", that would be Biden. And "Winston" or "Salem"..... Barry.

[Boomchild]

So as I said yesterday, how believable is it to think Hill and people at the WH NEVER EVER emailed for 4 fucking years?

They take us for fools.

Next thing you know they will try to imply that while she was Secretary of State, B.O. and Hillary never exchanged or communicated via email. Of course B.O. learns about mishaps and issues with his administration and the federal government via the media only. It's too complicated for him to figure it out for himself. That sure makes you feel comfortable now doesn't it?

[Boomchild]

Cause you know she couldn't mention anyone by real name in those emails. "Mr. Ed", that would be John "mule face" Kerry. "Goober", that would be Biden. And "Winston" or "Salem"..... Barry.

That's pretty funny. However, I would argue that Goober had more intelligence then Biden does. I think Biden is closer to Sargent Schultz.

[Boomchild]

Boomchild, you know Obama finds out about everything on the news.

I wouldn't be surprised! Now that's real "leadership" quality.... isn't it??

[Boomchild]

Boomchild, you know Obama finds out about everything on the news.

I wouldn't be surprised! Now that's real "leadership" quality.... isn't it??

Everytime I hear it, it tells me he's far too stupid to fire his staff.

Makes you wonder who is really running the federal government. Maybe he's just some kind of puppet.

[trekman]

" 1. The unilateral release of five senior Taliban back to the enemy while the enemy is still fighting us.

2. Providing weapons of support to the Muslim Brotherhood-led Egyptian government — F-16s and M1A1 Abrams tanks — but not to the Egyptian government after the Islamist group has been removed.

3. Negotiations with Qatar and Turkey, two Islamist-supporting countries.

4. Negotiations with Hamas, a terrorist group.

5. Returning sanction money, to the tune of billions of dollars, back to the theocratic regime led by Iran’s ayatollahs and allowing them to march on towards nuclear capability.

6. Obama’s evident support of Islamists in Libya."

Given a choice Obama will choose Islam above all others. That Is NOT in the best interest's of America. I think that Allen West is a man of Integrity, honor, intelligence and resource. I have read a lot about him and a lot of what he has written. And I have not found anything that I dont like about him. I think he knows what he is talking about. And I believe him. http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/14/allen-we ... -islamist/

[Monker]

The opinion of a non believer. Your choice. Your Future. I choose to believe a Christian man of God. Ive seen all the proof I need to, to believe.

Even someone who proclaims themselves to be a Christian can still partake in partisan politics and be prone to the imperfections that comes along with being human. To be believe any human is so overly pious is dangerous.

But, regardless of that, it's a fact that both BiBi and Bonehead were practicing politics with the entire charade. And, it's a fact that snubbing BiBi was politics responding to politics. To take that and twist it into some evidence that Obama is under the influence of Muslim groups is not based in reality.

I agree, to follow and believe someone can be dangerous. Pious or not.

That is not what I said and I do not agree with that. To follow and believe in somebody is not a bad thing. To follow someone to the point where you drink their laced Kool-Aid or commit suicide to catch a ride on a comet IS bad.

When a Christian leader starts speaking such negativity about another nation, or person, then that person no longer is leading people in a Christian way. He is inspiring hatred when Christ tells you to love your enemies. He being nitpicky and critical when Christ tells you to pull the tree out of your own eye. Christ did not go about pointing fingers at others and saying how bad they were, but instead asked those who were doing exactly that to look at themselves and their own faults...and made them look like hypocrites for attacking others for their sins when they knew they were sinners themselves.

And it was and is partially political games that Netanyahu and Obama play.

No, that is all it was - poolitics. And, add in Boehner to that list of those playing the political games.

But I think Netanyahu has more at stake and to lose. And personally I believe Obama doesnt like him Or the Jewish people and Israel. His position as Potus and the majority of public opinion keep him from completely allowing Israel to be destroyed.

That is another ridiculous comment. Allow Israel to be "destroyed" Please...you are a fool who listen to too many other fools.

Yes, has BiBi has more to lose...he can lose the power over his nation. I really couldn't care less...someone else will take his place and the world will still turn.

No, I don't think Obama personally likes Bibi. Again....I couldn't care less. The politics Bibi practices are not very helpful for the region as a whole so there are reasons to be frustrated and at odds with him.

But if you have been involved with or in politics Or religion or Any subject for most of or all your life dont you consider yourself well informed and knowledgeable on the subject? You read, you watch, you study, you get involved, you interact and after so many years you become a expert on that subject. Isnt that how it works? Thats how someone gets a career, right? So wouldnt a person like Franklin Graham or his father Billy Graham be experts on religion? Maybe more so on Christianity than other religions, but on religion.

Absolutely NOT. They are well versed on Evangelical Christianity...and that is all. Calling them experts on "religion" is not true at all because to them, and almost all Evangelical Christians, anything outside of their small sphere of beliefs is essentially paganism and from Satan. They do not view other religions with an unbiased perspective. In fact, they do not even view other beliefs in Christianity, say Mormons or Jehova Witnesses, in an unbiased. They are right - everything else is wrong.

So by what a person says or what they write or how they act can give you some answers to what kind a person they are. Franklin Graham listens to his father (Billy) and his heavenly father, God. He reads and writes and studies religion. All his life he has done this.

And, yet acts like something completely different. He attacking others instead of praying for them and asking others to pray for them. He is speaking hateful words about his enemies, instead of doing as Christ said and loving them. He is critiquing Obama for what he sees as his faults instead of realizing that he himself is a sinner with a forest of trees in his own eye.

In short - he is not acting like Christ. He is acting like a Pharisee who wants to nail someone to a cross.

President Obama all his life has been involved with, interacted with, studied, written about and talked about Islam. He talks about it all the time and how great it is and how he will always support the Islamic faith and the people of the Qur'an. So I think, I believe both these people are experts on the subjects on their religions.

I would rather have someone in office who understand that Islam and calls themself a Christian than someone who is so blinded by their hate of Islam that they talk and act in a non-Christian way.

And all those things that they read and study and watch and all those people they listen to and learn from and get information from arent influential? You dont really believe that do you? How are You influenced?

The exact same way. I have talked to Muslims often and I see most of them as genuinely good people doing the best they can to get by in the world. The fact is I also know a practicing wiccan and the fact is she is one of the nicest most caring people I have ever known. The fact is I've known a lot of Jehova Witnesses and at one time I even went to Temple with one of them

That does not mean I am a Jehova Witness who casts spells on others as some weird form of terrorism. What it means is I have a wider breadth of understanding of people and my emotional biases are tempered by the fact that I have a wider field of view than most others.

Just because Obama has other experiences than pure Christianity does not make him a closet Muslim and Islamic sympathiser. The fact is, Christians who judge him as such are judging another persons faith and are not even acting as Christ commanded them to. I don't care if their last name is "Graham". They are sinning by judging somebodies salvation...and to be right with God, they are required to repent and ask forgiveness for judging others. That is what is in the Bible I read...and I don't need an evangelist to interpret it for me.

I know that you cant believe all you read, see and hear on the internet. You choose to believe what you want, as I do. I know that Valerie Jarrett and others here http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/shari ... ppointees/ have the presidents ear in some shape or form. What they say and what they do is ok'd by their superiors and the superiors of those superiors and so on. I think that with Obama's beliefs he listens very carefully to what all the Muslims that work for him have to say. He may not do all or anything they say or advise him of/on. Or he may. And just do it a clandestine way, where it isnt made public or at least not until after the fact.

If he has Muslims giving him advice...good. He hears their perspective and kills Osama anyway, and lets his drones fly. Seriously, if he has some pro-Islamic agenda, he has a weird way of showing it.

I Do believe Obama's actions are influenced by who has been and are now around him. Muslim or not. And I also believe those influences are bad for America. Those are my beliefs and opinions.

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And you have a very narrow minded way of interacting with the world. i used to say that I can't criticize something I don't understand. Nobody can. So, Obama having a diversified exxperience pool to draw is an INCREDIBLY positive asset.

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" 1. The unilateral release of five senior Taliban back to the enemy while the enemy is still fighting us.

Ronald Reagan withdrew from Lebanon without even a real fight.

2. Providing weapons of support to the Muslim Brotherhood-led Egyptian government — F-16s and M1A1 Abrams tanks — but not to the Egyptian government after the Islamist group has been removed.

Reagan and Bush armed Osama bin Laden and Sadam Hussien.

3. Negotiations with Qatar and Turkey, two Islamist-supporting countries.

Ronald Reagan traded arms for hostages.

4. Negotiations with Hamas, a terrorist group.

Ronald Reagan negotiated arms treaties with the USSR, our worst enemy at the time.

5. Returning sanction money, to the tune of billions of dollars, back to the theocratic regime led by Iran’s ayatollahs and allowing them to march on towards nuclear capability.

Ronald Reagan intentionally blamed Iran for Saddam using poison gas against his own people. Years later, the gas attack against the Kurds was used as a reason to bring down the Iraqi government.

6. Obama’s evident support of Islamists in Libya."

Reagan and Bush evendently supported terrorists around the world.

Given a choice Obama will choose Islam above all others.

Given a choice Ronald Reagan supports terrorists and terrorist acts above the liberty of the people...and time has proven that it was NOT in the best interest of the world

Taking a bunch of crap completely out of context really means absolutely nothing....but it's kinda fun to write and read. Thanks!

I think that Allen West is a man of Integrity, honor, intelligence and resource.

Looks to me like he is a military man who thinks in only military terms and solutions. As I said before in this thread...that mindset is not the best to exclusively give you advice.