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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby RPM » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:32 am

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K.C.Journey Fan wrote:There is no end to your twisting of reality and just plain bullshit. You are what you are. A liar and traitor.


I have proven you are a liar multiple times. If you could prove I have lied about something, you would have already. You just can't help but lie in almost every post you make, or you quote or post a link to someone else lying.

Now you are so desperate that you are calling me a traitor.

The true traitors of this country are the Republicans during Obama's first term who obstructed everything he attempted to do in in an attempt to limit his presidency to one term. They put their own agenda of limiting Obama to one term ahead of the needs of this country....at a time when W had led us to an economic collapse and the country NEEDED bipartisanship to help get us out.

Funny thing is that you insane Republicans turned on those leaders like McConnell, and Boehner. Paul Ryan was there, too. I'll give him until the end of next year and you will turn on him, too.


Traitor is a strong word. I think you should both drop it, these are philosophical differences and thats part of the process. Gridlock however is useless. we see it in now in ILLINOIS, we elected a republican Governor who hopefully won't end up in prison like a few of his recent predecessors , only to have Micheal Madigan and his cohorts block everything. Bottom line is most of the politicians put there own career or legacy above what is good for the country in the long term. Obama is no different.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:32 pm

RPM wrote: Gridlock however is useless. we see it in now in ILLINOIS, we elected a republican Governor who hopefully won't end up in prison like a few of his recent predecessors , only to have Micheal Madigan and his cohorts block everything. Bottom line is most of the politicians put there own career or legacy above what is good for the country in the long term. Obama is no different.


It's just a part of the "dog and pony" show.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:22 pm

Does anybody here actually click on all these blind links K.C. keeps flooding this thread with? Just curious.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:41 am

Boomchild wrote:Does anybody here actually click on all these blind links K.C. keeps flooding this thread with? Just curious.


Usually not because they are usually so wildly biased that they are repetitive and irrelevant. The same with most of FF's posts.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:44 am

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Boomchild wrote:Does anybody here actually click on all these blind links K.C. keeps flooding this thread with? Just curious.


I usually do, but I mouse over first to see the headline because I've possibly read some already. If KC would cut and paste the articles Monker would find fault with that. No good deed goes unpunished around here, for sure. Killing the messenger is also popular.


Oh, please, my point to you is you do not know how to 'discuss' anything. You just copy/paste other people's crap. That is not discussion. It hardly ever starts discussion. It's just spamming the forum.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:50 am

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:15 am

Fact Finder wrote:It's only spamming to you because I post articles you disagree with, even when the NYTimes disses your lil berry you can't take it.


Not true, because %90 of the time I scroll past and don't take the time to read it. I have no idea what the NYT said about Obama and if all you can do to make your point is to spam some NYT article, then there really is no point in reading or replying to it.

You post entire articles as if they make some type of point but refuse to discuss the point itself. Therefore, it's a waste of time to read, it's a waste of time to respond to. It's spam.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:05 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
Exactly FF. I will apologize to people for stepping down to monkers level when posting to him, and I'll try to watch that. As far as Boomchilds remark. I'm not one to sit back and complain that everyone is paid off so why bother to even vote. There are very good, honest Republican people running like Carson, Cruz, Fiorina, Huckabee, ect who have proven themselves, even Webb on the Democratic side. Webb is considering a third party run I understand. Sitting back and allowing the most bought and paid for family ever reside in the White House will be way too much of a mistake to allow. I won't do it. Now that Ryan is speaker of the house, it is a new ball game. Boomchild, if your not interested in the ACA falling apart, or Hillary being cayght in lies, ect, do what I do with monkers tripe, just skip it.


Try and stick to the subject of what I posted. It just seems to me just posting links without any type discussion in that same post is pointless. I do not think I am alone here to say that I do not even bother clicking on them. If you think the information contained in a link is that important to post here then you should have something of substance to say about it. Otherwise for me it's a form of spamming.

As far as an honest politician, there's no such animal. It's the lesser of two evils at best. Just because someone doesn't put their hope and trust that the politicians are the key to solving our nation's problems doesn't equal doing nothing. They are not the only option. Read Mark Levin's "The Liberty Amendments" to understand alternatives we have based on The Constitution. Maybe if more people focused on some of the things he points out in that book we would have better results in changing things. If you think the answer is with the current people running for POTUS your sadly mistaken. How many times do you need to have a politician tell you the things you want to hear on the campaign trail only to do very little of it or a complete 180 once elected. In my opinion, the election system is rigged and while you think "the people" are actually controlling the outcome they are not.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:45 am

Boomchild wrote: I do not think I am alone here to say that I do not even bother clicking on them. If you think the information contained in a link is that important to post here then you should have something of substance to say about it. Otherwise for me it's a form of spamming.


Absolutely correct...and when you post a link along with the entire article it is even worse
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:11 pm

Fact Finder wrote:I don't always post articles because I have something to say about them. I post them because they are (to me) news worthy, and possibly should be brought to a wider audience.

Of course that is not here :lol:

You are slamming other reporters Monker, not me.


The point is this is a discussion forum. If all you want to do is post a collection of interesting news stories then why don't you two start your own site that has nothing but a bunch links to these articles?

You do understand that the point of a discussion forum is to discuss things, right? It seems like it should be self-explanatory but you two are so dim at times that I have to wonder.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:00 pm

Fact Finder wrote:http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/12/03/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-britain-bombers-idUKKBN0TM09C20151203

for those to lazy to click...


Obviously it seems you don't get the point of my comment about your link only posts. Did it ever occur to you that most of the people who participate in this thread read the news and are aware of just about 99.9% of what is in these link only posts you flood this thread with? Based on your comment above it seems not. Which if you understood that, it would be clear to you that you are just wasting your own time and energy. Make your posts worthwhile, not just regurgitating what is already out there.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:39 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/12/03/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-britain-bombers-idUKKBN0TM09C20151203

for those to lazy to click...


Obviously it seems you don't get the point of my comment about your link only posts. Did it ever occur to you that most of the people who participate in this thread read the news and are aware of just about 99.9% of what is in these link only posts you flood this thread with? Based on your comment above it seems not. Which if you understood that, it would be clear to you that you are just wasting your own time and energy. Make your posts worthwhile, not just regurgitating what is already out there.



Frankly, it has never occurred to me that everyone on this forum/thread is informed of 99% of what I or others post. Sometimes it's just the opposite. In fact, there are some on this forum who want to stick their head in the sand to real life matters, and it's not just here, my Facebook is chock full of totally stoOpid uninformed people. Of course they are pretty quiet this morning after yesterday's terrorist attack, but they'll rear their ignorant heads in due time, and I'll continue to show them the error of their utopian views. Keep in mind that just because only 6 or 8 of post to this thread regularly, many others are reading along in lurk mode. Hell, there are people here that want this thread killed because they can't/won't handle the truth and/or are to uninformed to join in. Kudos to you for being informed, skip the posts you don't need to read.


So, you and KC are basically saying you want this thread to be filled with nothing but political propaganda and bullshit.

How pathetic.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:55 am

If that's what this forum is for:

George Carlin is so awesome.

Two decades later, the anti-abortion movement hasn't really changed.

In his 1996 HBO special Back in Town, the late comic legend and social critic George Carlin nailed the hypocrisy of social conservatives who rail against abortion and birth control with "pro-life" rhetoric while simultaneously attacking social programs designed to support struggling families, supporting war and inciting violence against women.

"They're all in favor of the unborn," Carlin says in the clip. "They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months."

"After that, they don't want to know about you!"

Nearly 20 years after the comedy special aired, the humor holds up. So do the politics.

1. Pro-families — until those families need our money

Carlin paces the stage, hyping the audience with assertion that the same conservatives who use pro-family rhetoric object to programs like food aid, free school lunches and cash payments to the nation's many deeply impoverished families.

"No nothing! No neonatal care, no day care, no Head Start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing! If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're fucked!"

And fucked they remain: Budget proposals adopted earlier this year by the Republican-controlled House and Senate budget committees call for $3 trillion in federal spending cuts from 2016 through 2025. The progressive Center for Budgetary and Policy Priorities estimated that the each plan gets "more than two-thirds of its non-defense budget cuts from programs for people with low or modest incomes even though these programs constitute less than one-quarter of federal program costs."

"If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're fucked!"
Meanwhile, child poverty rates in the U.S. are already some of the highest in the developed world, and have been increasing since the mid-2000s, the Washington Post has reported.

2. Pro-life — and pro-bloody wars

"Conservatives don't get a shit about you until you reach military age," Carlin said. "Then they think you are just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."

A 2002 Gallup poll showed members of the religious right were far more likely to support strikes on Saddam Hussein's regime than those with relaxed religious views. As of 2008, polls of evangelical Christian leaders demonstrated many supported continuing the war in Iraq.

So at least as far as the U.S.' most recent major war is concerned, Carlin's contention that social conservatives are fairly aggressive on foreign policy stands up to scrutiny.

3. Pro-life — until it comes to abortion providers

Carlin also hit anti-abortion activists for extremist violence and intimidation against providers that was common then and is increasingly common now.

"These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors!" Carlin says in the special. "What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they might just have to kill it?"

People who harass or attack women's health care clinics or their staffers and patients aren't representative of the entire anti-abortion movement. But the wing of a movement that feels comfortable using force and threats to achieve their ends is inseparable from it.

As Mother Jones reports, the heated rhetoric among presidential candidates that grew out of July's Center of Medical Progress video controversy coincided with a surge in violence, threats and arson directed at Planned Parenthood clinics, culminating in a Nov. 27 massacre at a Colorado Springs, Colorado, location, resulting in three deaths.

4. Pro-life — but anti-women

Carlin makes one final assertion in his 1996 set: "They're not pro-life. You know what they are, they're anti-woman. Simple as it gets. Anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women."

He's painting with a broad brush. But even today, statistics back Carlin's claims.

A 2013 ABC News poll found just 23% of Republicans want more women elected to office, despite the U.S.' already scant female representation in elected positions. More recently, a 2015 survey concluded participants who agreed with sexist statements about women were much more likely to hold anti-abortion views — including both people with paternalistic views toward women and outright misogynists.

The comedian who confessed to having "absolutely no sympathy for human beings whatsoever" died in 2008, but given his quotability factor, his legacy will continue to thrive as long as a conservative party exists.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:45 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Exactly FF ! I guess Boomchild feels like everybody should post the way he see's fit. I never knew he was a liberal.


I see, so a liberal is anyone who asks if anyone else here doesn't find FF's link only posting beneficial to what this forum is about. Which I think to most is actual discussion. If that's the case you really are narrow minded.

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Myself, I'd rather read a thought out researched story then what someone thinks. God knows with american Media, it's almost impossible to find something that isn't liberal based and white washed. Look for any excuse to report what happened yesterday other then what it was.


So your justification for FF posting the links here is that FF is posting the unbiased version of the news here. That FF is the only one here that is able to find and read the unbiased versions. Everyone one else here can't or doesn't do that. Have you ever noticed that hardly ever does somene respond with a comment to prompt discussion here with FF's link only posts deposits here?


K.C.Journey Fan wrote:I don't paste and copy the story because it's a waste of Andrews space, in my opinion, but to each his own. Spamming is quite a strretch boarderlining on bullshit. again Boomchild, skip over my posts ike i do monkers most of the time.


Which is the point I was trying to make. Saying it's a waste of Andrew's space is probably a better way of putting it then using the word spamming. This is a forum for discussion. Not a news outlet or blog. Their are plenty of those already out there which support just about all political viewpoints.

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:You don't care about anything anyway because it's all bought and paid for, right? So your opinion when it gets down to it, is known, and does not matter.


Now that is such a liberal statement If I ever heard one. If my viewpoints doesn't match yours it doesn't matter.What matters is thinking that attacking the problem in the same way that has been tried and tried before without results is futile. That obsessing on who the right candidate for POTUS won't give us the change that is really needed to solve the problems in our system of government. That there are ways written into our Constitution to reign in an out of control government. That is where people's focus should be. If you don't change the overt power that the politicians have shoe horned into our government things will not change no matter which politician you elect into office. Politicians feed on power and privileges. Expecting them to willingly give up the power they have given themselves is futile.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:53 am

Fact Finder wrote:Frankly, it has never occurred to me that everyone on this forum/thread is informed of 99% of what I or others post. Sometimes it's just the opposite.


It's not the opposite, it just that they have a different view then you do. Frankly, if everyone was in lock step with there views and opinions this thread would be pointless. As far as lurkers go, anything said about who and what they are looking for here is pure speculation.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby tater1977 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:30 am

Fact Finder wrote:Psst...this whole damn forum is filled with either linked or C&P'ed articles, but apparently that is ok as long as it's an article about Journey, Styx etc..etc... Tater posted article after article about the Deen situation and I never saw you or Monk or anyone else call tater a propagandists or chastise him for providing the information. Your hipocrosy is showing.


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:46 am

Fact Finder wrote:What you want Monker, is called censorship.


There is no such thing as free speech on an internet forum. Believing in that is believing in a fallacy. Saying that there are limits on what you can say on any forum and calling it "censorship" when you know it is not true, that is called a lie.

The bottom line is this is a discussion forum, not a news forum.

There were people on this thread 6/7 years ago who wanted it shut down because they were worried what Steve Perry might think about seeing us right wing whackos on the Journey Forum. Puleeze!


So what. It really makes absolutely no difference to me what Perry fans think of this thread, or what Steve Perry thinks. Or, what any other member, past or present, thinks about it.

Until Andrew relieves me of duty I am going to continue to post what I think is relevant to the topic at hand. Skip along if you don't like the content but killing the messenger is a fools errand and only make you look like a loony leftist you are.


Andrew does not like to micro-manage and only does so when he has to. He wants us to moderate ourselves as much as possible. Are you saying he is wrong for moderating his forum in this way?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:52 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:Frankly, it has never occurred to me that everyone on this forum/thread is informed of 99% of what I or others post. Sometimes it's just the opposite.


It's not the opposite, it just that they have a different view then you do. Frankly, if everyone was in lock step with there views and opinions this thread would be pointless. As far as lurkers go, anything said about who and what they are looking for here is pure speculation.


No, what I meant by "opposite" was that some people who have been on here are dumber than a box of rocks, IMHO.


And, do you think it's a sign of brain power to copy/paste an entire article but be completely unable to discuss the subject in your own words?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:54 am

Fact Finder wrote:They say that only a small minority of Muslims are Terrorist so we need to let in 10's of thousands of Muslim Refugees. Yet just a small minority of gun owners commit gun crimes but they want to take away all of the guns.

:wink:


Out of all of the mass shootings in the US this year, how many were committed by refugees?

And, who is "they" that wants to take away "all" of the guns?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:17 am

Fact Finder wrote:Psst...this whole damn forum is filled with either linked or C&P'ed articles, but apparently that is ok as long as it's an article about Journey, Styx etc..etc... Tater posted article after article about the Deen situation and I never saw you or Monk or anyone else call tater a propagandists or chastise him for providing the information. Your hipocrosy is showing.


Did I say that the links were propaganda? Nope. Sorry that you feel a little constructive criticism equates to chastising someone. Wow, if I didn't know better this would lead me to think you are a liberal. You know, playing the victim of some fabricated abuse. Furthermore, it doesn't seem to me that the others you are mentioning are posting link only posts on a daily basis. Once again, my comment was to the point that it doesn't seem to me that the link only posts were creating any benefit here.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:19 am

Fact Finder wrote:If this is solely a discussion forum then why does everyone rush to post the latest NEWS about Journeys newest release, or Styxs next tour dates, Deens woman/meth problem


Because people actually DISCUSS those things rather then post endless links and articles for six years repeating the same nonsensical stuff over and over again. And, those articles are not full of bullshit propaganda supporting one political philosophy over another.

There is a huge difference between what goes on in those topics and threads compared to what goes on here.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:29 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:At the risk of offending Boomchild, by the way, I often hoped people would discuss under the posts, guess that was over your head, I'll post this.


It would take a lot more to offend me. But evidently it doesn't take much for others participating in this thread. If all it takes is someone asking others in this forum if they find benefit in a posters link only posts, that's pretty sad. Which is the final thing I have to say on this subject.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:32 am

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Out of all of the mass shootings in the US this year, how many were committed by refugees?

And, who is "they" that wants to take away "all" of the guns?


See, this is what I mean by twisting and turning meaning. You know damn well what that statement means Monker. I didn't say anyone was killed by a refugee, I said that a small percent of Muslims are terrorist, and by letting in thousands of refugees there is a damn good chance that some might go radical and attack here. Its called waking up and smelling the coffee, read between the lines, you know, common sense kind of stuff. Maybe Iowa doesn't have that, I don't know, never been there.


What you are doing is speculating based on your own inward fears and racism. Then you and others who share your political agenda and spread that fear for political gain. It is simply PURE politics...not based on facts and reality at all.

I presented an actual FACT. NONE of these people are refugees. NONE OF THEM.

Just like the Ebola thing a few years ago. There was absolutely no danger. The FACTS showed that. The only danger was made up in someone's head and then exploited for political reasons. Naive people like you buy into it and then try to spread the fear and therefore the political agenda.

THAT IS EXACTLY what is going on when you connect refugees with terrorism.

Now the "they" I speak of is all of these libtards I've watched the last number of years who leave no doubt in my mind that if given the chance/power would "try" to ban guns in this country.


EXACTLY. It's all in your mind. You get all fired up because some people are demanding gun control...and then that morphs in your mind that it is a liberal conspiracy to take away all guns - even if NOBODY IN POWER IS EVEN CONSIDERING THAT.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:44 am

Fact Finder wrote:They say that only a small minority of Muslims are Terrorist so we need to let in 10's of thousands of Muslim Refugees. Yet just a small minority of gun owners commit gun crimes but they want to take away all of the guns.

:wink:


Strip away the whole how many Muslim refugees are possible terrorists. The more important point is that we don't have the resources to keep bringing in people that cannot support themselves. We're not even able to help all the people that are born here that need public assistance. Add to that how our veterans are getting short changed because of a lack of resources and funds. A lot of the suggested solutions to gun violence is unsupported when you look at the statistics. Which includes the "gun free advocates" as well as the "more guns advocates".
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:05 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Are you saying you don't like link only, but whole articles are better/add benefit, or do you, like Monker, not want to see any news relevant to this topic? Color me confused.


All I was trying to point out is that it didn't seem to me that the link only posts were doing anything to stimulate discussion in this thread. I view this as forum for actual discussion on the topic and things related to it. Not just a depository for links to articles. It just seemed to me that is what this thread was mainly coming down to. Nine out ten times when I would come to read this thread all I was seeing were these posts with just links to some news article. Most of which I think most people reading this thread are already aware of. It has nothing to do with where the articles are from or my opinion about the articles. I just don't see the merit to posting like that. When ever I have posted a link, I try to include a quote from it and offer my viewpoint about it. The link is added in case someone would like to read the whole thing and offer their viewpoint in response to mine. It's as simple as that.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:42 pm

Fact Finder wrote::D We allowed to do this?


Looks like the projected housing for the Syrian refugees.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:22 am

It took the imbecile administration days after the fact to come to the realization that this was a terror attack. And that old hag (Diane Frankenstein) who's older than electricity, well it least she looks older then electricity, gets up and rants about disarming Americans after the attack. Happiness with be the day that old hag expires.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:11 am

Fact Finder wrote:Tashfeen was vetted with the new and improved super serious CIA vetting techniques for Muslim Immigrants and was cleared for entry to the U.S.A., unfortunately it didn't work out. Don't worry, berry and Kerry are going to let them try 10,000 or so more times in an effort to perfect they vetting process so this doesn't happen again. :roll:


The simple fact that terrorists slipped through the system in 2011 when processing refugees fro Iraq should tell you something. Now they want to allow more refugees and they do not have even close to the same data on them then they did for the ones coming from Iraq. All because the administration is afraid if they don't someone will call them racist and inhumane.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:15 am

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Well, he told us he wanted to fundamentally change the country. So are you surprised?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:07 pm

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It's about survival of our culture, our freedoms and preserving our way of life. Not conforming to some others views.


Speaking on the subject of our culture and way of life, that too is in danger of extinction. Especially when not enough focus is put on immigrants to learn the English language and assimilate into American culture. Now instead we have to make accommodations to the opposite of that philosophy. Perhaps we should take to the advice of former President Roosevelt just shortly before he died:

We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an

American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/roosevelt-immigration/


I'm also reminded of what Michael Savage has said many times. That the most important things for the survival of any country or nation is Borders, Language and Culture. Once those things are weakened or lost, it's over.
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