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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:34 am

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Monker wrote:Oh, please. You and others have quoted polls stating that Clinton and Sanders were neck and neck in Iowa. National polls have been around 15% for a couple months now. We all know these things.

That is not the point. The poster said Hillary's polls were dropping. And then you go ahead and post isolated figures, which proves absolutely NOTHING.


THEY ARE NOT DROPPING. He's wrong. If you can't even use your own past posts and expressed thoughts as reference, then you are hopelessly stuck in your hatred.

Early on, Hillary would very selectively talk to the media and not even refer to her competitor by name. Now she is whoring it up to any media outlet, short of public access, begging for more last minute unsanctioned debates and attacking Bernie 24/7. Any Democrat who comes out against single-payer healthcare should leave the party. She's a real pig.


Nobody cares. These things you are harping on are not big issues that are causing people to either vote against Clinton or for Sanders. The morons who are caught up on reading her Emails have more of an influence then these insignificant crumbs you are talking about.

But, Bernie calls HIMSELF a socialist. There is a big difference there.

"Democratic socialist" [/quote]

Oh, please. To be politicaly correct, that is what he is trying to label himself today. Look at his past.

So Hillary calls herself a progressive instead of a lib or socialist and puts forward similar redistributionist welfare state policies. The only difference is Bernie is honest and your candidate is a cowardly liar.


Go back six months and read my commentary on Bernie's website.

To quote Otto Von Bismark discussing his radical plan of retirement pensions: "Call it socialism or whatever you like." Americans don't care about silly shit like that.


If Sanders is nominated, he'll have his socialist past shoved down every voters throat until election night. I'll be VERY surprised if he gets a win tonight because of that fact alone.

Ah, so "in my lifetime" does not mean people who lived in your lifetime, but instead means, "IMO". That's good to know.

Like nearly every post, I am speaking fom my own point of view. And in my opinion, Hillary is as bad as George W or Cheney. The fact that you need to bring up Trump in order to defend Hill's likeability, is pretty telling. Stop hiding behind Trump, you little bitch, and start defending your Goldman Sachs-beholden criminal candidate.[/quote][/quote]

I brought up Trump because he is a politician from your lifetime that has higher negatives than Hillary. That is a FACT.

But, of course "in my lifetime" really means "in my opinion" and facts just don't matter because your hatred obscures them.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby ohsherrie » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:05 am

Nobody who is currently running for president is going to change a damned thing about business as usual in Washington. In order to do that the American people are going to have to band together with a common purpose putting aside the current political labels (republican/democrat, conservative/liberal).

It can't start with the presidency because presidential power is severely limited by congress. It will need to start with state elections and work up from there.

I'm not talking about taking up arms and starting another revolutionary war. I'm talking about using social media the way our enemies do.

It won't happen in my lifetime, but hopefully there is a chance for something better for my grandchildren.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:34 am

Monker wrote:THEY ARE NOT DROPPING. He's wrong. If you can't even use your own past posts and expressed thoughts as reference, then you are hopelessly stuck in your hatred.

This is a lie. Not only is her lead dropping, it is dropping faster than it did against Obama. Look it up.

Nobody cares. These things you are harping on are not big issues that are causing people to either vote against Clinton or for Sanders.

Wanna bet? When OMalley supporters have to decide who to caucus for tonight, they will remember things like Hillary coming out against single-payer or sending her daughter Chelsea out like a junkyard attack dog.

The morons who are caught up on reading her Emails have more of an influence then these insignificant crumbs you are talking about.

So because Hillary broke the law, the entire FBI and other hard-working intelligence officials are now a bunch of "morons"? Maybe the morons are the people so wrapped up in cult of personality that they disregard a massive intelligence breach. Servergate makes Valerie Plame look absolutely insignificant.

Oh, please. To be politicaly correct, that is what he is trying to label himself today. Look at his past.

I have been a huge supporter of Bernie for years. You are the one that needs to go educate yourself on his record.


If Sanders is nominated, he'll have his socialist past shoved down every voters throat until election night.

OoOoh scary. Next you will be telling me that he also sat in Jeremiah Wright's church or is a secret Manchurian Muslim. Bernie has served in office for years, and has supporters in Vermont amongst conservatives and liberals. You even see that crossover appeal reflected here in this very polarized thread. Red baiting is the refuge of a fiend. And your attempt to conflate Bernie's FDR-style policies with Mao authoritarianism is little more than shallow fear mongering. Voters are smarter than that.

But, of course "in my lifetime" really means "in my opinion" and facts just don't matter because your hatred obscures them.

Likeability or unlikeability is subjective. I said she is one of the most unlikeable politicians in my lifetime. Parse away. I don't need to check stats to tell me whether or not George W Bush was an asshole, or Hillary is corrupt, or that you are raving dick junkie. However, if you want to poll this forum, be my guest. :wink:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:08 pm

Like George W. Bush in Florida, Hillary preemptively declared herself the winner. The numbers tell a different story. Go Bernie!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:06 pm

Monker wrote:And, there you go again, buying into more propaganda. Both the writer and the person interviewed have far right Republican biases....and this is essentially an opinion piece with no real facts.

You are incredibly naive.


I'm not buying into anything. Regardless of the article, she violated federal government communication security protocols. Let alone regulations pursuant to the Freedom Of Information Act. What is incredibly naive is someone who thinks that no one responsible for said security protocols and\or any one receiving communications from her private email system didn't notice that it wasn't coming from the proper secured system.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:19 pm

ohsherrie wrote:It can't start with the presidency because presidential power is severely limited by congress.


Funny, B.O. doesn't seem to think so.


ohsherrie wrote:It will need to start with state elections and work up from there.


Sadly, I think that even starting at the state level won't solve the issue. At least in terms of electing politicians.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:23 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Boomchild, he said transparent, not honest.


Oh, so that's two failures instead of one.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:21 pm

From theblaze.com :D

Ted Cruz Wins Iowa Caucuses, Stuns Donald Trump in First State of 2016 Race
Feb. 1, 2016 10:29pm Leigh Munsil

WEST DES MOINES — Texas Sen. Ted Cruz won the first state of the 2016 race — putting the candidate in real contention for the nomination despite businessman Donald Trump’s consistent support in national polls.

Cruz was at 27.7 percent with 91 percent of the Iowa precincts reporting, and Trump was at 24.4 percent.

“Let me first of all say, to God be the glory,” Cruz said at his watch party at the Iowa State Fairgrounds. “Tonight is a victory for the grassroots. … Tonight the state of Iowa has spoken. Iowa has sent notice.”

Flanked by his wife Heidi Cruz and Iowa Rep. Steve King, who has been stumping with Cruz since November, Cruz said that Americans have suffered through seven years of President Barack Obama, but “joy cometh in the morning.”

In a reference to Ronald Reagan’s iconic “morning in America” ad, Cruz added: “Morning is coming.”
Supporters cheer as returns are reported at Sen. Ted Cruz's caucus night rally. (AP/Chris Carlson)

Supporters cheer as returns are reported at Sen. Ted Cruz’s caucus night rally. (AP/Chris Carlson)

Boos broke out at Trump’s victory in West Des Moines when CNN called the race for Cruz.

But Trump took the high road when responding to the night’s outcome in a short speech at the Sheraton in West Des Moines, saying: “I want to congratulate Ted, and I want to congratulate all of the incredible candidates.”

Trump downplayed the expectations for his campaign in a state that he led nearly all the way.

“When we started this journey, there were 17 candidates,” Trump told supporters shortly after the announcement. “I was told by everybody, do not go to Iowa, you could never finish even in the top 10. And I said, ‘But I have friends in Iowa, I know a lot of people in Iowa, I think they’ll really like me, let’s give it a shot. And we finished second.”

The other surprise of the night was Florida Sen. Marco Rubio — who was at a very close 23.1 percent of the vote with 91 percent reporting.

Rubio, who surged in Iowa at exactly the right time, took the stage at his watch party in downtown Des Moines enthusiastically.

“I want to congratulate my friend, Sen. Ted Cruz, he fought very hard in Iowa and he earned his victory here tonight,” Rubio said in his speech following the announcement.

Rubio didn’t mention Trump, instead focusing on how he plans to unite conservatives as the Republican Party’s nominee and go on to beat former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who won Iowa in the 2008 Republican primary, announced plans to suspend his campaign after a poor showing in the state Monday.
Iowa Republican Presidential Caucus County Leaders | InsideGov

Cruz’s victory will likely be attributed to his superior ground game in the state, where caucus wins are dependent on making sure your supporters show up at the hours-long events.

Trump had been consistently leading in the Iowa polls, but the big question mark was whether his positive name ID and good showing in polls would actually translate to caucus-goers.

Monday’s results set the stage for next Tuesday’s New Hampshire primaries, where Trump has been blowing the rest of the field away. He’s up by 21 percent according to the Real Clear Politics average, with 33 percent of the vote, compared to Cruz’s 11 percent, Gov. John Kasich’s 11 percent, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s 10 percent and Rubio’s 9.5 percent.

The question now is how much Iowa’s results will play into the New Hampshire vote.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:46 am

So does Iowa really even matter? As I recall, everybody and their inbred mothers were jumping through their assholes to try and get a glimpse of Jimmy Carter floating down the Mississippi not too long before he terribly lost reelection. We're talking Iowa, where many would vote for a rock just as long as it's been deemed a democrat.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:24 am

JBlake wrote:We're talking Iowa, where many would vote for a rock just as long as it's been deemed a democrat.


That's just not true.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby ohsherrie » Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:50 am

Monker wrote:
JBlake wrote:We're talking Iowa, where many would vote for a rock just as long as it's been deemed a democrat.


That's just not true.


No, it's not. That is where I grew up and where most of my family still lives. Most of the people I know in western Iowa are republican.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:31 am

ohsherrie wrote:
Monker wrote:
JBlake wrote:We're talking Iowa, where many would vote for a rock just as long as it's been deemed a democrat.


That's just not true.


No, it's not. That is where I grew up and where most of my family still lives. Most of the people I know in western Iowa are republican.


What side of Iowa is the Mississippi on?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:53 am

Fact Finder wrote:So Monker, what's your thinking about Hills tie with the Bern, and only really "winning" after supposedly correctly calling 6 straight coin flips? :wink:

I'm with Rush and Hannity today that Hill was yesterday's biggest loser. I asked my wife and Father in Law last night while watching Hill speak " what the hell is she yelling about" , she seemed mad and unhinged and determined to out leftist the Bern. Anyway I heard Rush and Hannity both had the same thoughts today.

It was reported last week that Hillary was pouring much of her resources and organization into Iowa. Given her name, endorsements, and corporate money, she should have performed much much better. Her victory speech last night was creepy and robotic. And Bill looked like he had full blown AIDS.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:01 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department said Tuesday that John Kerry, when he was a senator, used a private email account to send information now deemed classified to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on her personal server.

Spokesman John Kirby said then-Senator Kerry used a "non-official account" to send a May 19, 2011, message to Clinton and then-national security adviser Tom Donilon. Portions of the message were classified as "secret" last week and censored when it was released along with about another 1,000 of Clinton's emails on Friday. The non-redacted portions of the message in question refer to developments in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

There was no indication that the information in Kerry's email was considered classified at any level at the time it was sent or if Kerry, then chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, would have considered it particularly sensitive. Several hours after Kerry sent the email, Clinton forwarded it to a staffer with the instructions "pls print."

Kirby said the account that Kerry used to send the email from his iPad is no longer active.

Another email that Kerry sent to Clinton on his iPad, from Aug. 28, 2012, was released in full on Friday with no redactions. Another email from Feb. 4, 2012, apparently not sent from Kerry's iPad, was classified in full at the "confidential" or lowest level. Officials said both of those two messages were sent using non-official emails.


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:28 am

ohsherrie wrote:Nobody who is currently running for president is going to change a damned thing about business as usual in Washington. In order to do that the American people are going to have to band together with a common purpose putting aside the current political labels (republican/democrat, conservative/liberal).

It can't start with the presidency because presidential power is severely limited by congress. It will need to start with state elections and work up from there.

I'm not talking about taking up arms and starting another revolutionary war. I'm talking about using social media the way our enemies do.

It won't happen in my lifetime, but hopefully there is a chance for something better for my grandchildren.


It will take a fundamental shift in how the general public views politics. As long as people turn to partisan sources, whether that be FOX or MSNBC, then all of politics will be polarized. As long as people are led by the leashes of propaganda then nothing will change because the people are having their strings pulled, instead of being in charge.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:45 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Monker wrote:THEY ARE NOT DROPPING. He's wrong. If you can't even use your own past posts and expressed thoughts as reference, then you are hopelessly stuck in your hatred.

This is a lie. Not only is her lead dropping, it is dropping faster than it did against Obama. Look it up.


If you want to go clear back to months ago, you're right. But, if you look at the last few weeks prior to the Iowa caucus, you are wrong. She was hold her own, or improving.

Nobody cares. These things you are harping on are not big issues that are causing people to either vote against Clinton or for Sanders.

Wanna bet? When OMalley supporters have to decide who to caucus for tonight, they will remember things like Hillary coming out against single-payer or sending her daughter Chelsea out like a junkyard attack dog.[/quote]

Obviously, not enough did care...and there were not enough O'Malley supporters to make that much of a difference.

So because Hillary broke the law, the entire FBI and other hard-working intelligence officials are now a bunch of "morons"? Maybe the morons are the people so wrapped up in cult of personality that they disregard a massive intelligence breach. Servergate makes Valerie Plame look absolutely insignificant.


There has been nothing to prove she broke the law. If she had, she would have been indicted already.
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If Sanders is nominated, he'll have his socialist past shoved down every voters throat until election night.

OoOoh scary.[/quote]

Yes, it is...when you are running against the party of "Swift Boat" and "Willy Horton" ads.

Next you will be telling me that he also sat in Jeremiah Wright's church or is a secret Manchurian Muslim.


No. I'm telling you there will be ad after ad of Bernie celebrating being the first socialist elected to congress, being a member of various socialist groups. May as well reanimate Joseph McCarthy and add Bernie to his list of names....except this time I'm sure there will be video of Bernie himself admitting to being a socialist. Hell, the Republicans can even use footage of one of the earlier debates to drive home that point. By the end,

Red baiting is the refuge of a fiend.


Yes, it is. And, the two top Republican candidates are definitely not above that label.

Voters are smarter than that.


No, they are not. If you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes the truth. Both parties have proved the truth to that Nazi'sm repeatedly.

I said she is one of the most unlikeable politicians in my lifetime.


That is NOT what you said. You said she is THE most unlikable politican in your lifetime. I simply said that Trump's negatives are higher....and that is a FACT you are trying your best to deny.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:46 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Like George W. Bush in Florida, Hillary preemptively declared herself the winner. The numbers tell a different story. Go Bernie!


Well, you're wrong. The numbers agreed with Hillary.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:56 am

JBlake wrote:So does Iowa really even matter? As I recall, everybody and their inbred mothers were jumping through their assholes to try and get a glimpse of Jimmy Carter floating down the Mississippi not too long before he terribly lost reelection. We're talking Iowa, where many would vote for a rock just as long as it's been deemed a democrat.


That's just simply NOT TRUE. We have had a Republican governor...with only a short break. Chuck Grassley has been a senator forever.

The fact is that it is a mixed bag here where candidates are really scrutinized. That is why it is hard to have a poll with any accuracy. Trump shouldn't be surprised that Ted Cruz won...Pat Robertson won. Santorum won. You can not come into this state and buy an election...even if you fly into the state fair with your own helicopter.

And, frankly, I think Trump's Twitter reaction and calling Cruz a cheater is going to cost him the nomination. So, in a way, the Iowa process could have finally brought an end to the insanity of the Trump nomination.

Iowa also showed a nod to Rubio...and I really think it will end up being a two way race between Cruz and Rubio now. Cruz may win the nomination...but it seems to be that Rubio has proven himself as a future contender.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:07 am

Fact Finder wrote:So Monker, what's your thinking about Hills tie with the Bern, and only really "winning" after supposedly correctly calling 6 straight coin flips? :wink:

I'm with Rush and Hannity today that Hill was yesterday's biggest loser. I asked my wife and Father in Law last night while watching Hill speak " what the hell is she yelling about" , she seemed mad and unhinged and determined to out leftist the Bern. Anyway I heard Rush and Hannity both had the same thoughts today.


The biggest loser was Trump.

The biggest winner was Cruz followed by Rubio

Hillary calling herself a "Progressive" and such was definitely aimed at Bernie's territory...and probably the wrong time to make that move. Other than that, I didn't see anything wrong with her speech. It wouldn't matter what she did, people like Hannity and Rush would say she did it all wrong.

Cruz's speech was boring as hell. Trump's was too short. The absolute best was Rubio.

I don't think either Hillary or Sanders gained or lost much with their showing in Iowa. Both can claim a victory of sorts, and both did. If those two fraction of a point were reversed, THEN Hillary would be the biggest loser. As it is, I still do not believe Sanders can win the nomination. After NH, he has very little room to grow...if he had a decisive victory in Iowa, Hillary would be in big trouble.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:10 am

ohsherrie wrote:
Monker wrote:
JBlake wrote:We're talking Iowa, where many would vote for a rock just as long as it's been deemed a democrat.


That's just not true.


No, it's not. That is where I grew up and where most of my family still lives. Most of the people I know in western Iowa are republican.


I'm sitting there watching the coverage and they were shocked about how things were going in Ankeny because Trump was losing BIG. I know Republicans in Ankeny....NONE of them like Trump - at all. In fact, I would say they are embarrassed by him. It was no surprise to me that Trump was "schlonged" there.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:11 pm

Monker wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Like George W. Bush in Florida, Hillary preemptively declared herself the winner. The numbers tell a different story. Go Bernie!


Well, you're wrong. The numbers agreed with Hillary.

At the time of this posting, they did not. Ultimately, coin tosses and superdelegates just barely saved her ass.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:18 pm

Monker wrote:That is NOT what you said. You said she is THE most unlikable politican in your lifetime. I simply said that Trump's negatives are higher....and that is a FACT you are trying your best to deny.

I said she is the most unlikable when you exclude Cheney. Obviously I am generalizing. Either way, Hillary won't attract independents or Reagan Democrats. I am probably the most liberal person in this thread and I would never vote for Hillary. If Bernie does not win, I sincerely hope Webb runs as an independent.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:22 pm

Monker wrote:After NH, he has very little room to grow...

The Hillary people keep saying this. Meanwhile Sanders keeps obliterating expectations. Nobody likes your candidate. When you vote for the Iraq war, you deserve to lose.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:32 am

Jimmy Carter: I'd pick Trump over Cruz

“The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable,” Carter explained. “I don’t think he has any fixed [positions] he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.”

But Carter also said he doesn’t think Trump will make that far.

Carter also wouldn’t share which of the two Democrats — who came within a fraction of a point of one another in Iowa — he would support.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/j ... z3zDJ4gZTk


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:15 am

Monker wrote:THEY ARE NOT DROPPING. He's wrong. If you can't even use your own past posts and expressed thoughts as reference, then you are hopelessly stuck in your hatred.


New poll. Hillary's national lead continues to slip away. No surprise here.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-even ... aseID=2321
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:06 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Here's another one, TNC.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sa ... 44325.html


You're a moron....it's the SAME POLL.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:13 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Monker wrote:THEY ARE NOT DROPPING. He's wrong. If you can't even use your own past posts and expressed thoughts as reference, then you are hopelessly stuck in your hatred.


New poll. Hillary's national lead continues to slip away. No surprise here.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-even ... aseID=2321


And, there was a poll yesterday that put Clinton ahead:
2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination PPP (D) Clinton 53, Sanders 32, O'Malley Clinton +21

And, as the article KC posted said RealClearPolitics has the average at 13pts. You are going to need more than one Quinnipliac poll to prove your point.

After I wrote that original post, there was an article on RealClearPolitics that repeated the exact argument I was making at the time - despite what people thought, Clinton's poll numbers were remaining steady. Not sure if they still are, but they were at that time.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:51 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
Monker wrote:
K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Here's another one, TNC.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sa ... 44325.html


You're a moron....it's the SAME POLL.


Another News Story about the pole, IDIOT!


Oh, I see. So, you were Googling for stories about TNC's pole and found this.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:22 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:If you're keeping score at home, the Iowa caucus process passed ridiculous on Tuesday and it has kept going into whatever is to be found far beyond it.

In Grinnell Ward 1, the precinct where elite liberal arts college Grinnell College is located, 19 delegates were awarded to Bernie Sanders and seven were awarded to Hillary Clinton on caucus night. However, the Iowa Democratic party decided to shift one delegate from Sanders to Clinton on the night and did not notify precinct chair J Pablo Silva that they had done so. Silva only discovered that this happened the next day, when checking the precinct results in other parts of the county.
In the old days, when Democrats knew how to do politics right, a change like this would have required a substantial bribe of whiskey and strippers, as well as a decent county job for the idiot nephew of the county chairman. To paraphrase George C. Scott in Patton, god, how I hate the 21st Century.


Nah, that only happened in Mingo, not Grinnell.

But, I doubt anybody in here knows that.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby steveo777 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:02 am

The leftist rag, Dailykos, has turned on Hillary. She's going down!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/4/ ... -OK-I-Will
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