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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Memorex » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 am

Fact Finder wrote:Leon Panetta, President Obama’s former Secretary of Defense, told NBC’s Chuck Todd on Friday that it was a “stretch” to say the Trump transition team broke the law with their contacts with the Russians.

“We have one administration at a time,” Panetta said, warning that the Trump transition team undermined long-standing political norms in the United States by engaging in diplomacy while the Obama administration was still in office.

However, the former defense secretary doubted that dealings with the Russians rose to the level of criminal violations.

“[Their contact with Russia] was very unusual. Whether it breaks the law or not, I think that’s probably a stretch,” Panetta predicted.


What an odd and naive statement to make, don't you think?

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:15 am

Monker wrote:Why is it easy to accuse the Democrats of one thing and refuse to acknowledge that Republicans did THE EXACT SAME THING?

As was said, this is deflection. But, it is also hypocrisy on your part. If it is wrong for Democrats to pass huge bills with an attitude of "we'll know what's in it after it is passed", then it is wrong when Republicans do it, too.


Who said anything about refusing to acknowledge anything? MY response was that someone IS trying to blame the legislature for doing the same kind of things they have done in the past. The original post was not "look they are doing it again". It was a clear dig about just one side without acknowledging that the other side does the same kind of thing. That is the hypocrisy.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:23 am

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My God, this guy is a mumbling, fumbling, idiot.

First of all, he is presenting this idea that Mueller "has to present SOMETHING". No, he doesn't. That's just a flat out lie. He has to do the job he was assigned, and that is all.

Flynn was in the shit. They had him from multiple direction, and his son. They didn't have to come to an agreement with Flynn. They had enough "dirt" on him to put him in jail for most of the rest of his life, and his son for years. So, for a plea agreement to make any kind of sense, Flynn had to have something of AT LEAST equal value to give. We have barely heard what Flynn has given...and to assume all Flynn is is some fall guy so Mueller can show progress is laughable wishful thinking.



Present the FACTUAL EVIDENCE that supports this claim. Also what you are leaving out is that the justice department had the ability to charge Flynn for lying under oath BEFORE the special counsel was assigned. What Lionel is pointing out is Mueller is "picking the low hanging fruit".


Monker wrote:The FACT that Trump is a pathological liar, it would not surprise me AT ALL if both Jr. and Kushner were encouraged to lie to hide how much cooperation there was between Russia and the Trump campaign...which means they will be in this same situation...either make a deal and turn on Trump Sr., or go to jail for a LONG TIME. Their choice...


Again present the FACTUAL EVIDENCE to support this claim.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:28 am

Monker wrote:This is simply NOT TRUE. Undermining the current President's foreign policy is a violation of the Logan Act. Yeah, it's obscure and never used. But, IT IS THE LAW. And, the evidence seems to show that Trump worked to undermine the Obama policies with Russia by making deals to remove sanctions and such.

Flynn would lie about communicating with the ambassador if the conversations were about trading Russian support for removing sanctions. Or, ANYTHING similar to this.


What FACTUAL EVIDENCE? Surely your not referring to Flynn's plea about lying about the communication. After all, you just pointed out in another reply that little is KNOWN about what Flynn has said.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby verslibre » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:25 am

Is that KC & FF? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby verslibre » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:28 am

Monker wrote:As was said, this is deflection. But, it is also hypocrisy on your part. If it is wrong for Democrats to pass huge bills with an attitude of "we'll know what's in it after it is passed", then it is wrong when Republicans do it, too.


These guys don't care what the current administration does. They appear to question nothing. It's Body Snatchers city.

If Melania turns out to be a trans, they'll start jonesing for Cait.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby verslibre » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:52 am

:lol:

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Seven Wishes » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:28 am

Are you people serious? There has been absolutely no retraction from CNN or any other news source pursuant to the Obama Administration arranging or signing off on Flynn meetings with the Russians while he was on the Trump criminal transition team or at any other time. You have simply invented a factoid completely devoid of a kernel of truth and now you're spewing it out, ignorantly, on a "political forum" where pledging ignoramuses like you have a circle jerk of lies and obfuscations.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:01 am

verslibre wrote:If Melania turns out to be a trans, they'll start jonesing for Cait.


I would far more suspect Michelle Obama of being a trans then Melania. IF Melania is, then he\she has done a much more convincing job of it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby verslibre » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:04 am

Boomchild wrote:
verslibre wrote:If Melania turns out to be a trans, they'll start jonesing for Cait.


I would far more suspect Michelle Obama of being a trans then Melania. IF Melania is, then he\she has done a much more convincing job of it.


I've never thought MOO was attractive, but she doesn't make me think of a man. Melania just has those weird-looking eyes that suggest somebody's worked on her face...numerous times.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Seven Wishes » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:04 am

Seven Wishes wrote:Are you people serious? There has been absolutely no retraction from CNN or any other news source pursuant to the Obama Administration arranging or signing off on Flynn meetings with the Russians while he was on the Trump criminal transition team or at any other time. You have simply invented a factoid completely devoid of a kernel of truth and now you're spewing it out, ignorantly, on a "political forum" where veteran ignoramuses like you have a circle jerk of lies and obfuscations.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:05 am

verslibre wrote:Is that KC & FF? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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There you have it, when all else fails, resort to character assassination.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:08 am

verslibre wrote::lol:

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Great now present the CRIMES and the EVIDENCE that supports the narrative this image is trying to depict.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:13 am

Seven Wishes wrote:Are you people serious? There has been absolutely no retraction from CNN or any other news source pursuant to the Obama Administration arranging or signing off on Flynn meetings with the Russians while he was on the Trump criminal transition team or at any other time. You have simply invented a factoid completely devoid of a kernel of truth and now you're spewing it out, ignorantly, on a "political forum" where pledging ignoramuses like you have a circle jerk of lies and obfuscations.


Great, NOW state the CRIME(S) and FACTUAL EVIDENCE to support your statement.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:16 am

verslibre wrote:
I've never thought MOO was attractive, but she doesn't make me think of a man. Melania just has those weird-looking eyes that suggest somebody's worked on her face...numerous times.


Is that the sound that comes from Michelle when she opens her mouth? If so, I would say that about sums it up about her\him.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby verslibre » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:28 am

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verslibre wrote:
I've never thought MOO was attractive, but she doesn't make me think of a man. Melania just has those weird-looking eyes that suggest somebody's worked on her face...numerous times.


Is that the sound that comes from Michelle when she opens her mouth? If so, I would say that about sums it up about her\him.


I knew you'd run with that. :lol:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Memorex » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:33 am

Seven Wishes wrote:
Seven Wishes wrote:Are you people serious? There has been absolutely no retraction from CNN or any other news source pursuant to the Obama Administration arranging or signing off on Flynn meetings with the Russians while he was on the Trump criminal transition team or at any other time. You have simply invented a factoid completely devoid of a kernel of truth and now you're spewing it out, ignorantly, on a "political forum" where veteran ignoramuses like you have a circle jerk of lies and obfuscations.


What is it that you are talking about? I'm not following.

Number one, the transition team did not need permission from Obama to do Shit. Just like Obama didn't need it from Bush. In this country, it is long tradition for an administration to defer to the next on important matters during the transition. Go back to the second part of the stimulus and Bush - He, as President, said he would only do what it was Obama signed off on. Obama met with world leaders before the election and during the transition. I recall news stories that during an election, one candidate would be called out if they didn't meet with world leaders as the other candidate did. Like if one met the Israeli Prime Minister, the news folk would question why the other didn't.

I posted a video a bit ago that shows an Obama admin official saying it was completely fine what the Trump team was doing. So far, I have yet to see a crime other than Flynn lying and even that who gives a shit? I mean yea, he has to take the lumps and it was stupid since there was no reason to lie.

What you have to realize is that anyone in the Trump admin has to be far more careful and on alert than any admin in our history. I've never seen people going after anyone like this and so of course they are going to be tight lipped. Anyway, no crimes committed yet that I see. Justice/IRS should have handled Manafort and the rest is just a waste of mine and your time and money.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Memorex » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:20 pm

Where in the hell do people find the time to create this stuff?

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby slucero » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:15 pm

LMAO.....

VIDEO PROOF: Obama Admin Confirms ‘No Problem’ With General Flynn Contacting Foreign Officials

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:34 am

Monker wrote:This is simply NOT TRUE. Undermining the current President's foreign policy is a violation of the Logan Act. Yeah, it's obscure and never used. But, IT IS THE LAW. And, the evidence seems to show that Trump worked to undermine the Obama policies with Russia by making deals to remove sanctions and such.

Flynn would lie about communicating with the ambassador if the conversations were about trading Russian support for removing sanctions. Or, ANYTHING similar to this.


Obama openly talked about meeting Iranian leaders without any pre-conditions during the 2008 debates. Presidential candidates routinely travel abroad and discuss policy to puff up their resumes. The Logan Act is a dead letter law and used as a political football. Is that the best you got?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:37 am

Fact Finder wrote:ABC News suspends Brian Ross over 'serious error' in Trump/Flynn report


What was 7 saying?


LOL. Too funny.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:45 am

Monker wrote:Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians."

Buzzinga


Buzzinga? You sound almost like Joy Behar falling for Fake News. You are such a gullible little DNC sap sucker.

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Anyway, contacting Russia is not illegal. American astronauts are routinely flown to the Int. Space Station by Russia. Are they traitors too?
As I have mentioned repeatedly, both candidates Nixon and Reagan held back-channel dealings with South Vietnam/Iran during their candidacies. They colluded to win. Nobody cares.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:52 am

Monker wrote:If you put together a timeline of all of the events that we know about, along with Trump's tweets and campaign speeches, it's already obvious what was going on....Trump asking for help from the Russians and Wikileaks, in return for easing sanctions and being a pussy towards Russia.


Have any proof that Wikileaks is a Russian operation? Funny how they were beloved by liberals when they reported on Bush crimes. It's almost as if they became villified when they exposed Hillary as a corrupt POS.

Monker wrote:....in return for easing sanctions and being a pussy towards Russia.


Politically motivated sanctions are bullshit. Sanctions are a war crime that only hurt the poor. Secondly, working with Russia to defeat ISIS is the very opposite of being a pussy. Putin is not chopping off heads and blowing up buildings. But the DNC has you trained to come here and squawk about Russia. Their arms industry donors are counting on gullible fools like you.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:16 am

Monker wrote:Perhaps you should pay closer attention to what is being said in the forum in general....which was more my point. I've been quoting posts since before Al Gore invented the Internet...and there is a time when you don't need to - like when you are speaking to the forum in general and not directly to one person.


Dude, half of your below post is an unintelligible block text of shit (see below). NO, you DON'T know how to quote. Look at this mangled tortured garbage. I'm not responding to this. Everything you say is a lie anyway. You criticize people labeling you and then when it's pointed out that you label people ALL THE TIME ("zombies!"), you hide behind the excuse that you are "emulating" Trump. Well, maybe I am "emulating" Andy Kauffman's alter-ego Tony Clifton when I label you a dumbfuck Democrat. Maybe FF is emulating Triumph the Insult Comic Dog when he labels you a cuck globalist turd. Maybe KC is emulating the Diceman when he says you ride Soros's dick harder than the Sybian in your basement. Hey, maybe we are all starving artists engaging in some sort of off-off-Broadway performance art. I mean, really??? Fuck off.
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Zombie this, zombie that


Pocahantus this FrankenStein that.

Russian this, Russian that.


Don't know what you are talking about, comrade...I never called anybody here a Russian...

You are just a total hypocrite engaging in 'do as I say not as I do'.{/quote]

I already conceded that point and addressed it. Maybe you don't accept it, me emulating Trump. That's not my problem.

99.9999% of your posts are about KC, FF, and other so-called “zombies.” When they return fire, you act shocked that the conversation has turned to you.


Oh, I'm not "shocked" at all. I just proved that I can talk DIRECTLY about Trump. That receives posts of distraction. I point that out. Then the posts turn to attacks against me. Then the conversation is COMPLETELY about me.

Maybe you should have thought of this before gearing the conversation towards others.


Maybe you should open your eyes and realize that I knew exactly what I was doing. I knew EXACTLY how my posts would be received and the content of the replies. I knew this BEFORE I EVEN MADE THE FIRST POST. I knew this because it has happened at least a half dozen times already.

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When facts are presented, all you do is scream “Fox News!”, “conspiracy theory!”, or “Alt right!” and then run away.


Wrong. Let's take Uranium One. KC and I had a back and forth and I answered EVERY post with facts that proved that he was wrong. EVERY ONE OF HIS POINTS. Do you think I am going to go back through this entire conversation every time he INSISTS on believing and posting about this conspiracy? It's a proven conspiracy theory...just because HE doesn't accept the proof doesn't mean it's something else. Just because Hannity doesn't accept it doesn't mean it's something else. Just because Trump doesn't accept it doesn't mean it is something else. Hillary Clinton being responsible for the Uranium One deal is simple fiction.

North Korea has been discussed previously here.


And, Donald Trump's incompetence, Tweeting, and failure at being a deal maker and negotiator has allowed things to escelate to the point where North Korea has the capability of firing a missle at ANY TARGET AROUND THE GLOBE. They are inches away from being able to not just attack the west coast, but New York. And, they won't even talk to us now until they test a hydrogen bomb and are able to load it on their ICBM. THAT is where we stand now and Donald Trump's "crazy old man" antics failed to help the situation - at all. In fact, if it changed at all, it changed for the worse.

Maybe we just don’t want to discuss them with you.


The evidence on the forum shows that nobody wants to discuss the tough issues AT ALL...not with me, not with others who disagree with you, and not with each other. There is NOTHING but the zombie attitude of doing as Trump begs and talkig about Clinton's, Obama, Uranium One, etc.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:10 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Monker wrote:Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians."

Buzzinga


Buzzinga? You sound almost like Joy Behar falling for Fake News. You are such a gullible little DNC sap sucker.


And, you are a trigger-happy dumb-ass...so easy to manipulate and control:

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:13 pm

Fact Finder wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:ABC News suspends Brian Ross over 'serious error' in Trump/Flynn report


What was 7 saying?


LOL. Too funny.



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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:26 pm

Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:Trump asking for help from the Russians and Wikileaks, in return for easing sanctions and being a pussy towards Russia.


Please present FACTUAL EVIDENCE that supports this claim.

Monker wrote: think it's just a matter of time before Trump has a choice of either resigning or being impeached...for conspiring against the United States, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power,..


Please present FACTUAL EVIDENCE that supports this claim.


Monker wrote:And, that isn't even looking at what Jr. and Kushner were involved with.


Be specific and present FACTUAL EVIDENCE that supports it.


Still waiting.........
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:28 pm

Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:
My God, this guy is a mumbling, fumbling, idiot.

First of all, he is presenting this idea that Mueller "has to present SOMETHING". No, he doesn't. That's just a flat out lie. He has to do the job he was assigned, and that is all.

Flynn was in the shit. They had him from multiple direction, and his son. They didn't have to come to an agreement with Flynn. They had enough "dirt" on him to put him in jail for most of the rest of his life, and his son for years. So, for a plea agreement to make any kind of sense, Flynn had to have something of AT LEAST equal value to give. We have barely heard what Flynn has given...and to assume all Flynn is is some fall guy so Mueller can show progress is laughable wishful thinking.



Present the FACTUAL EVIDENCE that supports this claim. Also what you are leaving out is that the justice department had the ability to charge Flynn for lying under oath BEFORE the special counsel was assigned. What Lionel is pointing out is Mueller is "picking the low hanging fruit".


Monker wrote:The FACT that Trump is a pathological liar, it would not surprise me AT ALL if both Jr. and Kushner were encouraged to lie to hide how much cooperation there was between Russia and the Trump campaign...which means they will be in this same situation...either make a deal and turn on Trump Sr., or go to jail for a LONG TIME. Their choice...


Again present the FACTUAL EVIDENCE to support this claim.


Still waiting......
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:29 pm

Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:This is simply NOT TRUE. Undermining the current President's foreign policy is a violation of the Logan Act. Yeah, it's obscure and never used. But, IT IS THE LAW. And, the evidence seems to show that Trump worked to undermine the Obama policies with Russia by making deals to remove sanctions and such.

Flynn would lie about communicating with the ambassador if the conversations were about trading Russian support for removing sanctions. Or, ANYTHING similar to this.


What FACTUAL EVIDENCE? Surely your not referring to Flynn's plea about lying about the communication. After all, you just pointed out in another reply that little is KNOWN about what Flynn has said.


Still waiting.....
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