They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[verslibre]

So now Trunk is killing pensions old retired coal miners were getting? Say it ain't so.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The 'concocted' dosier that a right wing website originally funded.

Yes, the Free Beacon website funded the initial research but stopped in May of 2016. Tell the rest of the story.

The 'concocted' dosier that talked about meetings with the Trump administration and Russians, like the Kushner/Jr. Trump Tower meeting.

Not a crime. Nixon colluded with South Vietnam. Reagan colluded with Iran.

Now you are posting directives from Gorka, former Trump adviser and wanted criminal by foreign governments. Yeah, good person for you to follow there. Have to wonder if Mueller has interviewed him...seems like he should be in jail or deported to face his own crimes.

As far as I'm aware, there is a warrant for Gorka for an unspecified gun crime in Hungary. Please list the multiple foreign governments that are after him and the multiple crimes.

You are posting wild and crazy accusations and your only "evidence" is a memo and a few extremely biased people, and a few biased Republicans...THAT is your evidence that you guys are predicting the end of the Democratic party and jail for Clinton and Obama, etc. NO COMMON SENSE.

And you have been posting bullshit with no evidence at all. "Hillary had permission" ring a bell?

[verslibre]

So now Trunk is killing pensions old retired coal miners were getting? Say it ain't so.

Seems Mother Jones is the only one with this story. Dude, if your going to use Mother Jones, I'm going to start using Alex Jones Info Wars.

No, not Mother Jones. I heard this from somebody who TALKED TO THE WIFE OF AN OLD RETIRED MINER, you dumbass!!!

And fuck Alex Jones!!!

[verslibre]

Again, Mother Jones is the source for the story.

Learn to read. It's never too late.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, not Mother Jones. I heard this from somebody who TALKED TO THE WIFE OF AN OLD RETIRED MINER, you dumbass!!!

And fuck Alex Jones!!!

So it's thirdhand hearsay. Sounds very reliable.

[Boomchild]

No, not Mother Jones. I heard this from somebody who TALKED TO THE WIFE OF AN OLD RETIRED MINER, you dumbass!!!

And fuck Alex Jones!!!

By all means share the specifics here.

[Journey/Survivor]

So now Trunk is killing pensions old retired coal miners were getting? Say it ain't so.

Seems Mother Jones is the only one with this story. Dude, if your going to use Mother Jones, I'm going to start using Alex Jones Info Wars.

Both are controlled opposition.

[verslibre]

No, not Mother Jones. I heard this from somebody who TALKED TO THE WIFE OF AN OLD RETIRED MINER, you dumbass!!!

And fuck Alex Jones!!!

So it's thirdhand hearsay. Sounds very reliable.

Says the guy who says he knows a lot of "smart people who voted for Trump."

C'mon, dude.

[verslibre]

No, not Mother Jones. I heard this from somebody who TALKED TO THE WIFE OF AN OLD RETIRED MINER, you dumbass!!!

And fuck Alex Jones!!!

By all means share the specifics here.

My bad. I don't have their phone numbers and home address. I'll see if I can get them for you so you can ask those poor old liars directly. To quote an old one from TNC, it's something you can do from the comfort of your Barcalounger.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Says the guy who says he knows a lot of "smart people who voted for Trump."

C'mon, dude.

That's not hearsay. Those are close friends of mine. Several of them doctors. Would you like their names and their phone numbers?

[The_Noble_Cause]

My bad. I don't have their phone numbers and home address. I'll see if I can get them for you so you can ask those poor old liars directly. To quote an old one from TNC, it's something you can do from the comfort of your Barcalounger.

Like I said, sounds very reliable.

[verslibre]

Says the guy who says he knows a lot of "smart people who voted for Trump."

C'mon, dude.

That's not hearsay. Those are close friends of mine. Several of them doctors. Would you like their names and their phone numbers?

That wasn't my point. A statement like that means nothing, literally nothing. I know "smart people" AND dumbasses who voted for Trump, and I know "smart people" AND dumbasses who voted for Clinton.

Such minutiae means nada. Zip. No nickels. Negative balance. You get my drift.

[verslibre]

My bad. I don't have their phone numbers and home address. I'll see if I can get them for you so you can ask those poor old liars directly. To quote an old one from TNC, it's something you can do from the comfort of your Barcalounger.

Like I said, sounds very reliable.

Yet, you just said something similar right after my post.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yet, you just said something similar right after my post.

Not remotely similar. You are mentioning a presidential policy enacted by Trump. That's verifiable (or at least should be). My individual personal experience based on my friends is not documented anywhere. If coal miners are being screwed, prove it.

[Boomchild]

My bad. I don't have their phone numbers and home address. I'll see if I can get them for you so you can ask those poor old liars directly. To quote an old one from TNC, it's something you can do from the comfort of your Barcalounger.

Point to where I said these people or yourself were liars. I asked you to share the details of what you heard or know about the subject. You felt it was important enough to post about it. Are the details surrounding it not important? Some people complain that there is no "discussion" in this thread. If true, here is a classic example as to why.

[verslibre]

First of all, I said "say it ain't so." NOBODY countered.

I just typed "coal miners lose benefits" and "coal miners lose pensions" and the results I got were mostly articles reported by various papers last year (and the Mother Jones article K.C. Sunshine was referring to is actually from 2016, lol).

Now, if you guys want to continue imagining rainbows are forming in the wake of Le Don's step, that's your right. But based on what I heard today, things obviously aren't going the way they should be.

From last April: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/miners-pensions/523980/

There's your "discussion."

[The_Noble_Cause]

Now, if you guys want to continue imagining rainbows are forming in the wake of Le Don's step, that's your right. But based on what I heard today, things obviously aren't going the way they should be.

I don't have to imagine. We have business leaders like Apple's Tim Cook explicitly saying that in the wake of the Trump tax cut jobs are being created and wages are rising. My 401k has skyrocketed. But feel free to stick to third person anecdotes from people that don't exist.

[Boomchild]

First of all, I said "say it ain't so." NOBODY countered.

I just typed "coal miners lose benefits" and "coal miners lose pensions" and the results I got were mostly articles reported by various papers last year (and the Mother Jones article K.C. Sunshine was referring to is actually from 2016, lol).

Now, if you guys want to continue imagining rainbows are forming in the wake of Le Don's step, that's your right. But based on what I heard today, things obviously aren't going the way they should be.

From last April: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/miners-pensions/523980/

There's your "discussion."

If the pensions and healthcare were benefits that were offered by the coal companies then in my opinion it is not the responsibility of the federal government to back them up because the companies were or are going bankrupt.

The other question based on the article is what is Congress currently doing about it? Have they come up with something that Trump won't sign into law?

Also you still have not offered up what you personally heard about the matter from someone.

[verslibre]

Also you still have not offered up what you personally heard about the matter from someone.

Yes, I did. The woman said they're getting screwed, i.e. Trump's not signing the bill to rescue the miners' pensions. Maybe he's procrastinating? Too many weekends at Mar-a-Lago, maybe? Too much "executive time" on the can?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/19/business/economy/united-mine-workers-retiree-health-plan.html

[verslibre]

My 401k has skyrocketed.

Sweet. You can be a producer on Man of Steel 2.

[Boomchild]

Also you still have not offered up what you personally heard about the matter from someone.

Yes, I did. The woman said they're getting screwed, i.e. Trump's not signing the bill to rescue the miners' pensions. Maybe he's procrastinating? Too many weekends at Mar-a-Lago, maybe? Too much "executive time" on the can?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/19/business/economy/united-mine-workers-retiree-health-plan.html

Well if that is all you have, then I can't really comment further then what I have already said on the subject.

[Monker]

Horse shit. You're the one that brought it up, and keeps "hinting"about it. MORE MONKER LIES. A True Democrat.

No, it's elephant shit that will get these forums closed. Neither horses, nor me, will have anything to do with it.

[Monker]

Yeah, with a bunch of "you said this, which implies that, which means you believe this, and this is that and that is this and...blah, blah, blah." It's just an invented bunch of crap that complicates very simple things.

Oh it's simple all right. It's you wishing this thread didn't exist. It's you suggesting that Andrew should delete the thread. It's you saying if it was my business I wouldn't allow it. The simple point is YOU don't like what is being posted in this thread and are trying to get it removed. That's it in a nutshell. I'm not putting anymore time on this one.

Yep, a bunch of made up bullshit. Your conspiracy laden brain is connecting dots that don't connect.

And, like I said, I changed my mind....he should just close ALL of the forums.

On a side note, your sure are actively posting in thread YOU said YOU were DONE with. Do you ever follow through what on you say? Or is that just more of your bullshit? Oh wait, don't tell me it's another one of your Bazinga! moments.

[/quote]

Yep...thank you for bring up your posts to me from weeks ago and making an argument for why you alt-righters can't talk among yourselves. I had not posted for a week before you, and others, brought me into the mix again.

[Monker]

Monker it’s not a biased Fox contributor giving an opinion, it is multiple Congressmen, with more coming out with statements this morning. Storms a brewin’. You been had, and the American people been had. Lie after lie after lie from CNN and MSNBC and the Dems.

FBI Paid $100K+ For Concocted Trump Dossier During Election; John McCain Helped Broker Classified Deal With Comey

The 'concocted' dosier that a right wing website originally funded. The 'concocted' dosier that talked about meetings with the Trump administration and Russians, like the Kushner/Jr. Trump Tower meeting.

You have Trey Gowdy who is on the House Intel committee, which showed it's bias shortly after it started with Nunes meeting with the Whitehouse. Out of all of the investigations into Trump, this is the one exposed as being completely untrustworthy.

Now you are posting directives from Gorka, former Trump adviser and wanted criminal by foreign governments. Yeah, good person for you to follow there. Have to wonder if Mueller has interviewed him...seems like he should be in jail or deported to face his own crimes.

You are posting wild and crazy accusations and your only "evidence" is a memo and a few extremely biased people, and a few biased Republicans...THAT is your evidence that you guys are predicting the end of the Democratic party and jail for Clinton and Obama, etc. NO COMMON SENSE.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9544 ... 41120.html

LOL. I'm not asking you to "prove it" (as this article "advises)). I'm telling you that the "proof" you are posting is bullshit.

And, the memo itself was written by David Nunes! That's hillarious! The head of the House Intel committee who was briefed by the White House about incidental communication collection of Trump's. And, then goes public with it and then had to recuse himself from the committee. Nunes solely removed any credibility that the House intel committee was unbiased. THIS is the guy who wrote the memo that you are saying is going to cause the sky to fall? Come on, Chicken Little, this just doesn't hold up at all.

[Monker]

Now, if you guys want to continue imagining rainbows are forming in the wake of Le Don's step, that's your right. But based on what I heard today, things obviously aren't going the way they should be.

I don't have to imagine. We have business leaders like Apple's Tim Cook explicitly saying that in the wake of the Trump tax cut jobs are being created and wages are rising. My 401k has skyrocketed. But feel free to stick to third person anecdotes from people that don't exist.

Apple has been critiqued for years for having too much of their company investments in China. It should not surprise ANYBODY that they are moving it to the US.

But, how much money have the TRUMP organizations been investing in their employees? If this TRUMP economy is doing so well and the tax breaks are so good, I would think the various companies with the TRUMP name would be investing in their employees.

As far as 401k, I remember when the market crashed in 2008...and McCain insisting that "the fundamentals of the economy are strong." I remember my 401k going from $100,000 down to $20,000. The company I was working for had their stock go from $35/share down to $7. Despite various speculation, I was confident the company was not going broke...if anything, it would be bought. So, I took %75 of what was left and put it in company stock, and the rest in safe bonds. By the end of 2009, I had made up all of my losses and I re-diversified because the company stock was around $30/share again. By 2014, I had tripled my money - without any contributions (I had left in late 2009). Who was President between 2009 - 2014?

The economy is continuing what Obama had already done. Like it or not, that is the truth.

In fact, IMO, it's in another bubble:

“Believe me: We’re in a bubble right now. And the only thing that looks good is the stock market — but if you raise interest rates even a little bit, that’s going to come crashing down. We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble. And we better be awfully careful.” Donald Jack-off Trump 9/2015

[steveo777]

Yeah, with a bunch of "you said this, which implies that, which means you believe this, and this is that and that is this and...blah, blah, blah." It's just an invented bunch of crap that complicates very simple things.

Oh it's simple all right. It's you wishing this thread didn't exist. It's you suggesting that Andrew should delete the thread. It's you saying if it was my business I wouldn't allow it. The simple point is YOU don't like what is being posted in this thread and are trying to get it removed. That's it in a nutshell. I'm not putting anymore time on this one.

Yep, a bunch of made up bullshit. Your conspiracy laden brain is connecting dots that don't connect.

And, like I said, I changed my mind....he should just close ALL of the forums.

On a side note, your sure are actively posting in thread YOU said YOU were DONE with. Do you ever follow through what on you say? Or is that just more of your bullshit? Oh wait, don't tell me it's another one of your Bazinga! moments.

Yep...thank you for bring up your posts to me from weeks ago and making an argument for why you alt-righters can't talk among yourselves. I had not posted for a week before you, and others, brought me into the mix again.[/quote]

@Monker
You think like a fucking full on pinko commie. You don't like something, so you think it should be taken away from everyone else. You're a twat!

[Monker]

"Yep, a bunch of made up bullshit. Your conspiracy laden brain is connecting dots that don't connect.

And, like I said, I changed my mind....he should just close ALL of the forums."

says the lying ahole that was preaching Trump/Russia for a year with NO PROOF, even now!

Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, George Papadopoulos

Hmmm, I wonder if they think it's just a bunch of lies?

And, now Bannon has to testify under subpena - so he can't have his testimony directed by the White House and claim executive privilege. If he lies, add him to the list above. If he reveals all, maybe add Kushner and Jr. to the list above.

It's easy to fantasize that there is nothing there, but you are still ignoring reality.

And, now there are dozens of stories out there that #releasethememo is being retweeted by Russian Bots. How does it feel to be working with the support of Russia, comrade?

[Boomchild]

Yep...thank you for bring up your posts to me from weeks ago and making an argument for why you alt-righters can't talk among yourselves. I had not posted for a week before you, and others, brought me into the mix again.

So just as everyone thought. Your statement that you were done posting in this thread was just another one of your lies. All it took was for someone to mention you and you started posting here again.

[steveo777]

Yep...thank you for bring up your posts to me from weeks ago and making an argument for why you alt-righters can't talk among yourselves. I had not posted for a week before you, and others, brought me into the mix again.

So just as everyone thought. Your statement that you were done posting in this thread was just another one of your lies. All it took was for someone to mention you and you started posting here again.

How about we ignore him and stop calling him into this thread? He's not having respectful dialogue with anyone and all he does is come in here to insult. Why feed him?

[Monker]

You think like a fucking full on pinko commie. You don't like something, so you think it should be taken away from everyone else. You're a twat!

No. That has nothing to do with it.

I am saying that if I were Andrew, I would not want to spend time and money moderating this place. That time and money would be better spent elsewhere. I also would not want my forum (it's not YOURS) to be used to spread alt-right propaganda...which is what is attempting to be done here....or any other political beliefs. So, yes, I would delete this thread for those reasons - if I were Andrew.

Further, *I* am at a point where I would say "fuck all of it". And, delete the entire forum section here and just use FB to communicate to a MUCH larger audience.