They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Andrew]

How many posts did liberals in this thread make about the Maryland school shooting being thwarted by an armed resource officer? I didn't see any.

That's because there are no liberals here. They've all fled this once fine board, running from the onslaught of RWNJs.

Not sure why I even have this board open anymore.

I used to think America was the be all and end all of modern society and such a great place. I've been there over a dozen times and still love coming, but these days I see two very different Americas and a lot of unhappy people and a lot of really fucked up idiots talking shit like Fox News and all of these hypocritical GOP assholes.

I hope you get things straightened out back onto the right path before the decisions made by people who shouldn't be in power fuck things up for good.

[perryfan61]

We now march to have our rights taken away.

YES!

It is every American's right to be shot dead at any moment in time, any place, any reason!

And they will defend that right to their dying day!

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's because there are no liberals here. They've all fled this once fine board, running from the onslaught of RWNJs.

Right wingers always made up the majority of political posts in this forum.
Many of the posters that have ceased posting - like Stu, ConversationPC, St John, Arrival Rules etc - were to the right.

Not sure why I even have this board open anymore.

As long as I've been here, this forum (and Journey fans in general) have skewed conservative.
Go look through the archives of the Obama thread.
On the left, you had Deano, OhSherrie, 7Wishes, Monker, and myself. That was pretty much it.
I'm still here, but I'm not defending the rancid carcass that is the Democratic Party.
And compared to the concentrated evil of Bush/Cheney, I think Trump is a breath of fresh air.

I used to think America was the be all and end all of modern society and such a great place. I've been there over a dozen times and still love coming, but these days I see two very different Americas and a lot of unhappy people and a lot of really fucked up idiots talking shit like Fox News and all of these hypocritical GOP assholes.

I can't begin to tell you how many Democrats I know (me included) that voted for Trump.
With all due respect, I don't think you have a clear perspective on what has taken place here.

[ohsherrie]

I'm sure CNN thought she had a perfectly reasonable point. To me she is a prime example of the problem with giving too much power to the clueless.

I would also ask how the IDs are going to help. I've heard the argument against metal detectors being that it would be too much trouble to scan every kid when they come in the door. Are all kids going to be required to show their ID? Or maybe the ID is just cheaper and sounds good.

When are people like you two going to stop extending the 2nd amendment to protect people to buy guns and murder children. By your actions and words you seem to believe that people have the right to buy an AR-15 and murder school children. Your rights have common sense limitations and those limitations should include not being able to buy assault rifles, ammo for assault rifles, and murdering people with assault rifles. I believe a student has the right to live through a school day without being shot, to go to school and return home safely. It's too bad that you seem to believe that the right of a person to own an assault rifle and end a child's life is more important.

I don't give a damn about back packs. If it's that much of an issue, ban ALL backpacks.

What makes you think you know how I feel about gun rights? Just because I think the steps this county has taken to protect these students from a mentally ill person bent on killing are absurd? Or is it because I think it's disgusting that CNN would use the statements of this obviously clueless kid to further their agenda.

I don't remember ever defining how I feel about gun rights completely on this board, but to clarify things for you I will:

I think every person considered old enough to carry a gun in defense of their country should be allowed to carry a gun in civilian life if they haven't been convicted of a felony and are not mentally challenged by any condition, disease or otherwise designated mental illness.

That's easy to say, but not easy define, therein lies the rub. I don't have an answer as to who and how a person becomes adjudged as mentally unfit to carry a firearm. (of course that may not keep said person from building bombs if they really want to commit mass murder, but that does take a good bit more mental capacity than walking into a gun store here in VA and walking out with a gun)

I don't think ANYBODY needs a bumpstock or a 100 round or even 30 round magazine, but I don't think banning them will stop mass killings.

I think the first thing we need to do is assure that the laws we currently have are being followed by all agencies who are responsible for inputting data for background checks and that all agencies responsible for doing the research for a background check are doing so diligently. I think it should take more than a 5 minute phone call like it does in this state for said background check to be run.

Gun dealers should be monitored as closely as a pharmacy.

But none of that is going to stop a deranged person bent on killing from doing so.

If Chicago and California don't prove that tighter gun laws don't get guns off the street I don't know what does.

I hate the NRA. They foment much of anti-gun sentiment that they say they are protecting their members from. My husband and I own probably around 50 guns and have never paid them a dime for the privilege. We don't own any automatic weapons or magazines holding more than 8 rounds.

I think we need to protect our children in schools by taking whatever measures necessary to keep weapons out of our schools, not by disarming an entire nation. Clear backpacks aren't a bad idea, just not effective if nobody is at the door checking what can be seen in them. Of course if there is a hollowed out book in there....

[Boomchild]

That's because there are no liberals here. They've all fled this once fine board, running from the onslaught of RWNJs.

That says a lot about "liberals" doesn't it? Maybe they should be questioning their convictions if a difference in opinion is all it takes to make them run away.

[Monker]

When our economy stayed stagnant

This is just BULLSHIT. There was slow growth through the entirety of the Obama Presidency. Those numbers were claimed to be lies by Trump...and miraculously became truths when he became President.

while more and more of our people slipped below the poverty level

Again, bullshit. From 2009 on, the number of people in pverty stayed stagnant. The FACT is from 2014 the number of people in poverty has had a downward trend.

because no living-wage jobs were being created,

This is a lie. All types of jobs were created. Yes, minimum wage jobs far out number others...But, saying no higher paying jobs were created is simply a lie.

A better truth is that certain regions of the country fared better then others. But, IMO, that is because those states did not diversify their economies and instead relied on old industry that prospered in an economy that doesn't exist any longer.

and only the poorest could get healthcare (yes, that is what Obama care became) because either they weren't working or they weren't working full time at a job with benefits.

How can anybody even believe this? Most people in this country have employer spnsored health insurance. To say only the poorest people could afford health insurance is such an exageration that only a Trump zombie repeating Trump's lying propaganda would say it.

It's not argued here but almost all jobs created under Obama were full-time. A summary of the Obama recovery:

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/50860023 ... n-8-charts

The premiums became so high for those making a decent middle class income that they actually had to forego health insurance and pay the tax penalty.

If you are self-employed, work part-time, or worked for a small business, that may be true but that is FAR from the majority of workers....and definitely does not define everybody who is not counted as, "only the poorest."

When illegal aliens and refugees were getting more government benefits and through the largess of our government, using the taxes of the working people of this country, and in any cases living better than those working Americans and our Veterans; when the children of those non-Americans can get a free ride through the best colleges while we can't afford to send ours without going over our heads in debt; when Americans are being beaten, raped and murdered by illegals and refugees and NOTHING is done about it.

This is just crazy crap. Saying "nothing done about it" regarding crimes of illegals is just a lie. Obama deported more illegals than any President prior. Sure, you can pick out some specific crime that an immigrant/refugee/illegal committed but they commit LESS crime than US citizens. Any fact checking site confirms that:
http://www.politifact.com/california/st ... likely-co/

When it got so that racist protesters could riot and destroy neighborhoods and towns and block entire roadways because criminalsof their race were being dealt with legally by police, and the police were being picked off like sitting ducks while trying to enforce the laws and not one word was said in criticism of the behavior of the rioters or cop killers, let alone any expression of regret for the loss of police lives, by our President I lost all of what little respect I could still muster for him.

Not one word? Lie. It's amazing that you believe this politicaly motivated bullshit you are posting:

"There is no possible justification for these kinds of attacks or any violence against law enforcement," Obama said, speaking from the NATO summit in Poland that he is attending. "Anyone involved in the senseless murders will be held fully accountable. Justice will be done."

(He was responding to the Texas police shootings)

Those are some of the reasons we voted for Trump and we really don't care about all off these gossip rag headlines. I don't care how many women or mobsters he had whatever dealing with in his past as long as they have nothing to do with his presidency.

"I don't care about..." What you don't care about is the truth and would rather believe alt-right politics than reality.

[verslibre]

Very well stated OhSherrie.

OhSherrie wrote:

I don't think ANYBODY needs a bumpstock or a 100 round or even 30 round magazine, but I don't think banning them will stop mass killing.

One of the largest mass killings was at Virginia Tech where 32 people lost their lives. All shooting was done by pistol.

Jim Jones killed over 900 people with a big jug of Kool-Aid.

Cults are another matter altogether. That wasn't a sudden slaughter where a guy jumped out with a mobile arsenal and wasted a bunch of people. Jones' "weapon" was his voice — only to him, it wasn't a weapon, it was an instrument of salvation. The guy was a sick bastard, but he knew exactly what he was doing. Read the book Raven. Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad) is turning it into a series for HBO.

The rationalization "any kind of gun can hurt or kill people, so why bother banning one kind of gun" is a stupid one.

[ohsherrie]

That's because there are no liberals here. They've all fled this once fine board, running from the onslaught of RWNJs.

Right wingers always made up the majority of political posts in this forum.
Many of the posters that have ceased posting - like Stu, ConversationPC, St John, Arrival Rules etc - were to the right.

Not sure why I even have this board open anymore.

As long as I've been here, this forum (and Journey fans in general) have skewed conservative.
Go look through the archives of the Obama thread.
On the left, you had Deano, OhSherrie, 7Wishes, Monker, and myself. That was pretty much it.
I'm still here, but I'm not defending the rancid carcass that is the Democratic Party.
And compared to the concentrated evil of Bush/Cheney, I think Trump is a breath of fresh air.

I used to think America was the be all and end all of modern society and such a great place. I've been there over a dozen times and still love coming, but these days I see two very different Americas and a lot of unhappy people and a lot of really fucked up idiots talking shit like Fox News and all of these hypocritical GOP assholes.

I can't begin to tell you how many Democrats I know (me included) that voted for Trump.
With all due respect, I don't think you have a clear perspective on what has taken place here.

As usual you are absolutely right TNC.

Drew, it was first Bush/Cheney and then, as a backlash from that debacle, Barrack Obama who changed the country you thought you knew, and it's Donald Trump who those of us who recognize the horrendous results of those 16 years are counting on to give us back our America. You really aren't getting the truth from the media you're seeing and reading.

[Monker]

I used to think America was the be all and end all of modern society and such a great place. I've been there over a dozen times and still love coming, but these days I see two very different Americas and a lot of unhappy people and a lot of really fucked up idiots talking shit like Fox News and all of these hypocritical GOP assholes.

I hope you get things straightened out back onto the right path before the decisions made by people who shouldn't be in power fuck things up for good.

What IS "modern" society? Define that please.

The bottom line is this country has been politicaly 'divided' for decades. You can go all the way back to the 60's and maybe earlier. IMO, what has happened in recent years is the alt-right has taken that division and instead of trying to heal it, has deepened it and thrown salt into it, and anything else it can do to make it worse. Then enter Russia, who has the same agenda and encourages the division on both sides.

So, the "modern" Republican party believes the morality of the President doesn't matter...when a few years ago they were the party that felt they were moraly superior to all others. You have 'modern' Republican party that used to be eteranaly skeptical about Russia. Now they sympthise with them in a "poor Russia, stop picking on them " kinda way. Republicans use to be a party that generaly believed in free trade and tearing down economic barries (like tarriffs) with other countries. Now, they seem to believe in protectionism and using tarriffs to try to control the economy and certain industries....as if they don't even believe in Capitalism and the free market.

Then you have Democrats who have to squirm through recent past scandals and at the same time find what their voice truly is. Is it the Democratic Socialist voice of people like Bernie Sanders? I personaly hope not...having two radical parties, one on the left/liberal, and one on the alt-right will not do the country any good. It will put us on a penduluum swinging between two crappy radical philosophies that don't really work well.

IMO, that is why you see what you see...The radical alt-right being in power...and the Democrats not really ready to respond in any affective way, except with their own radical faction.

[ohsherrie]

When our economy stayed stagnant

This is just BULLSHIT. There was slow growth through the entirety of the Obama Presidency. Those numbers were claimed to be lies by Trump...and miraculously became truths when he became President.

while more and more of our people slipped below the poverty level

Again, bullshit. From 2009 on, the number of people in pverty stayed stagnant. The FACT is from 2014 the number of people in poverty has had a downward trend.

because no living-wage jobs were being created,

This is a lie. All types of jobs were created. Yes, minimum wage jobs far out number others...But, saying no higher paying jobs were created is simply a lie.

A better truth is that certain regions of the country fared better then others. But, IMO, that is because those states did not diversify their economies and instead relied on old industry that prospered in an economy that doesn't exist any longer.

and only the poorest could get healthcare (yes, that is what Obama care became) because either they weren't working or they weren't working full time at a job with benefits.

How can anybody even believe this? Most people in this country have employer spnsored health insurance. To say only the poorest people could afford health insurance is such an exageration that only a Trump zombie repeating Trump's lying propaganda would say it.

It's not argued here but almost all jobs created under Obama were full-time. A summary of the Obama recovery:

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/50860023 ... n-8-charts

The premiums became so high for those making a decent middle class income that they actually had to forego health insurance and pay the tax penalty.

If you are self-employed, work part-time, or worked for a small business, that may be true but that is FAR from the majority of workers....and definitely does not define everybody who is not counted as, "only the poorest."

When illegal aliens and refugees were getting more government benefits and through the largess of our government, using the taxes of the working people of this country, and in any cases living better than those working Americans and our Veterans; when the children of those non-Americans can get a free ride through the best colleges while we can't afford to send ours without going over our heads in debt; when Americans are being beaten, raped and murdered by illegals and refugees and NOTHING is done about it.

This is just crazy crap. Saying "nothing done about it" regarding crimes of illegals is just a lie. Obama deported more illegals than any President prior. Sure, you can pick out some specific crime that an immigrant/refugee/illegal committed but they commit LESS crime than US citizens. Any fact checking site confirms that:
http://www.politifact.com/california/st ... likely-co/

When it got so that racist protesters could riot and destroy neighborhoods and towns and block entire roadways because criminalsof their race were being dealt with legally by police, and the police were being picked off like sitting ducks while trying to enforce the laws and not one word was said in criticism of the behavior of the rioters or cop killers, let alone any expression of regret for the loss of police lives, by our President I lost all of what little respect I could still muster for him.

Not one word? Lie. It's amazing that you believe this politicaly motivated bullshit you are posting:

"There is no possible justification for these kinds of attacks or any violence against law enforcement," Obama said, speaking from the NATO summit in Poland that he is attending. "Anyone involved in the senseless murders will be held fully accountable. Justice will be done."

(He was responding to the Texas police shootings)

Those are some of the reasons we voted for Trump and we really don't care about all off these gossip rag headlines. I don't care how many women or mobsters he had whatever dealing with in his past as long as they have nothing to do with his presidency.

"I don't care about..." What you don't care about is the truth and would rather believe alt-right politics than reality.

Again Monker, I'm not going to break this up line by line. I wouldn't even if I was on my laptop because it isn't worth the effort. You are quoting the DNC skewed bullshit. I understand how that may seem true to you because of where you live. There were many good jobs created by the insurance industry during Obama's first term. Des Moines became a midwestern hub for several industries. My daughter almost transferred there when her company closed their regional office here in Virginia and axed any employees who couldn't or wouldn't transfer either there or to the Corporate Headquarters in Ohio. She got a better offer from Ohio. My mother and most of my family on the maternal side live in the Omaha/Council Bluffs area. That area wasn't hit nearly as hard as many others either.

My point being that you see the economy from a different point of view than those of us who saw our economy devastated by Bush and ignored (unless you were on welfare/food stamps/Medicaid) by Obama.

After Ferguson, Missouri, where a black thug who had just robbed a convenience store and beaten the person working there was killed by a police officer who he had just attempted to disarm, this thug's friends and neighbors destroyed that town. Obama's response was that those people must be allowed to express their feelings. From that absurd remark sprung the completely over the top and out of control Black Lives Matter. Maybe you should have gone and spent some quality time in some of the neighborhoods of Omaha during that time.

[ohsherrie]

I used to think America was the be all and end all of modern society and such a great place. I've been there over a dozen times and still love coming, but these days I see two very different Americas and a lot of unhappy people and a lot of really fucked up idiots talking shit like Fox News and all of these hypocritical GOP assholes.

I hope you get things straightened out back onto the right path before the decisions made by people who shouldn't be in power fuck things up for good.

What IS "modern" society? Define that please.

The bottom line is this country has been politicaly 'divided' for decades. You can go all the way back to the 60's and maybe earlier. IMO, what has happened in recent years is the alt-right has taken that division and instead of trying to heal it, has deepened it and thrown salt into it, and anything else it can do to make it worse. Then enter Russia, who has the same agenda and encourages the division on both sides.

So, the "modern" Republican party believes the morality of the President doesn't matter...when a few years ago they were the party that felt they were moraly superior to all others. You have 'modern' Republican party that used to be eteranaly skeptical about Russia. Now they sympthise with them in a "poor Russia, stop picking on them " kinda way. Republicans use to be a party that generaly believed in free trade and tearing down economic barries (like tarriffs) with other countries. Now, they seem to believe in protectionism and using tarriffs to try to control the economy and certain industries....as if they don't even believe in Capitalism and the free market.

Then you have Democrats who have to squirm through recent past scandals and at the same time find what their voice truly is. Is it the Democratic Socialist voice of people like Bernie Sanders? I personaly hope not...having two radical parties, one on the left/liberal, and one on the alt-right will not do the country any good. It will put us on a penduluum swinging between two crappy radical philosophies that don't really work well.

IMO, that is why you see what you see...The radical alt-right being in power...and the Democrats not really ready to respond in any affective way, except with their own radical faction.

I liked most of what you just said Monker because most of it described why President Trump is President. He is neither alt-right or left. He's not Tea Party, RINO, Socialist, Liberal, whatever the hell kind of creature Pelosi is, or any other swamp dwelling species. He is an unapologetic, Pro-American Capitalist. He cares about what is best for the people of this country and a lot of us agree with his ideas on that subject.

Most of us don't want to be Globalists and don't want to need to be. We want to be The United States of America. As for me, any state who finds that a problem (California) or any portion of a state (Manhattan) that wants to drop out of the union can go and take their illegals with them. We will find a way to do without them. Trump Tower can move to Brooklyn.

[verslibre]

He is neither alt-right or left. He's not Tea Party, RINO, Socialist, Liberal, whatever the hell kind of creature Pelosi is, or any other swamp dwelling species. He is an unapologetic, Pro-American Capitalist. He cares about what is best for the rich people of this country and a lot of us agree with his ideas on that subject.

Why, yes, he does.

[verslibre]

That's because there are no liberals here. They've all fled this once fine board, running from the onslaught of RWNJs.

That says a lot about "liberals" doesn't it? Maybe they should be questioning their convictions if a difference in opinion is all it takes to make them run away.

Looks like the same people are posting in this thread.

[ohsherrie]

He is neither alt-right or left. He's not Tea Party, RINO, Socialist, Liberal, whatever the hell kind of creature Pelosi is, or any other swamp dwelling species. He is an unapologetic, Pro-American Capitalist. He cares about what is best for the rich people of this country and a lot of us agree with his ideas on that subject.

Why, yes, he does.

THIS POSTER ALTERED THEN QUOTED MY POST! What kind of shit does that?

[verslibre]

He is neither alt-right or left. He's not Tea Party, RINO, Socialist, Liberal, whatever the hell kind of creature Pelosi is, or any other swamp dwelling species. He is an unapologetic, Pro-American Capitalist. He cares about what is best for the rich people of this country and a lot of us agree with his ideas on that subject.

Why, yes, he does.

THIS POSTER ALTERED THEN QUOTED MY POST! What kind of shit does that?

Why are you shouting?

[verslibre]

A liberal.

I'm a moderate.

[verslibre]

You know what should be the official theme of this forum? The theme from Kolchak: The Night Stalker. That's pretty cool. It fits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfmK8YUdSpY

[steveo777]

You know what should be the official theme of this forum? The theme from Kolchak: The Night Stalker. That's pretty cool. It fits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfmK8YUdSpY

If you remember the theme for Kolchak, The Night Stalker, you're really fucking old.

[verslibre]

You know what should be the official theme of this forum? The theme from Kolchak: The Night Stalker. That's pretty cool. It fits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfmK8YUdSpY

If you remember the theme for Kolchak, The Night Stalker, you're really fucking old.

Damn, don't you know they show it on MeTV? I wasn't even old enough to know what rock music was when that show aired.

You freakin' OLD FART.

[Andrew]

You really aren't getting the truth from the media you're seeing and reading.

Yeah, I'm way to stupid to be able to research and read various sources and make up my own mind.

[Andrew]

That's because there are no liberals here. They've all fled this once fine board, running from the onslaught of RWNJs.

That says a lot about "liberals" doesn't it? Maybe they should be questioning their convictions if a difference in opinion is all it takes to make them run away.

Nah, they just got tired of losing arguments.

You can't lose arguments you don't engage in.

[slucero]

This isn't about parties.... never has been

It's about the Establishment (pick your poison: globalists, elites, wealthy, socialists) subjugating and controlling a population (the People)

vs.

The People protecting and asserting their natural and inalienable rights, which are enshrined in a document (the Constitution) that prevents the Establishment from simply taking them away.....


Bickering about parties and picking sides is fighting at the altitude the Establishment wants you fighting at. Playing checkers.

Increase your altitude. Play chess.



Why the US is making the moves it is making.

China,

• has successfully placed the yuan in the SDR... (future substitute to the $USD as reserve currency)
  
  
• is launching a yuan-denominated oil futures contract at the end of March on the Shanghai Futures Exchange (initial move to eventually supplant the Petrodollar)
  
  
• in concert with Russia, have built a system which bypasses the US SWIFT system for international banking transactions, which the US uses to punish nations politically. The US will be left in the cold when the Asian peninsula economy really heats up in the next decade. All bypassing the US.
  
  
• is well on the way to implementing its "One Belt, One Road" initiative, which will effectively tie Asia and Europe together economically. (leaving the US out)
  
  
  
  
  
• is taking over the South China Sea
  
  
  

History has repeatedly shown that the country that controls the world economically, controls the world politically. History also shows that as empires die, the remaining muscles they have left to flex are the more violent ones...

Meanwhile, China has been flexing her economic muscles, all the while economically conquering the world. This will give her political control without firing a shot.

The US has effectively lost its manufacturing base to China/ASIA, and with it its ability to economically bend the world to its will. This translates to a loss in the ability to influence the world politically. This is the very beginnings of a very predictable diminishing of tools to influence and/or control world events.

So Trump approving...

• an increase military recruitment numbers,
• john bolton as sec advisor, and
• congress about to approve a 1.3T dollar spending bill for the next 6 months

... should be taken for what they are - steps to flex the remaining muscles the empire has left. Which as history shows, and predictably, for the US, means continued agression (war). This is why D.C. is DESPARATE to make Russia the villian AGAIN. It's also why D.C. is targeting China trade-wise. But China is too powerful as a trading partner to directly threaten. Russia is not.

The US is running out of non-violent bullets... do the math. Chess not checkers.

[steveo777]

^
What Slucero posted, and that was some long stuff to quote, absolutely shows how we dodged a massive bullet by not electing Clinton. We had two choices, Trump or Clinton. Those of us who voted for Trump, chose the option that would not sell our country out to the globalists. If that makes us RWNJ's, so be it. We chose to put our country first.

[Monker]

You are quoting the DNC skewed bullshit.

You are just pulling this out of nowhere...I did not quote the DNC at all. I gave you the FACTS. YOU are in denial.

I understand how that may seem true to you because of where you live. There were many good jobs created by the insurance industry during Obama's first term. Des Moines became a midwestern hub for several industries.

Des Moines has been an "insurance" hub for decades. I put that in quotes because "insurance" (along with "banking and investment services) are all now under the label of "Financial services" since a company can sell insurance, offer banking services (including mortgages), and have investor services. The recovery did not create this industry...it has been a growing industry in DSM since the 80's. What the recovery did was open up old positions to be filled with full time employees (rather than temps or contractors, or simply cut) which were eliminated 2008-2010. I have not felt it being a growing industry until later in Obama's second term.

As far as me, I don't think I talked too much about it here, but I was laid off in 2009, unemployed for about six months, went into temporary contract work...starting at $28/hr (FAR below what I was worth), paid for my own benefits - including health insurance, and did not work full time until 2013.

The ONLY industry I can think of that was encouraged by the recovery was alternative energy...especially wind power. Count the windmills between Omaha and DSM on I-80 to see what I mean...that did not exist prior to 2009.

My daughter almost transferred there when her company closed their regional office here in Virginia and axed any employees who couldn't or wouldn't transfer either there or to the Corporate Headquarters in Ohio. She got a better offer from Ohio. My mother and most of my family on the maternal side live in the Omaha/Council Bluffs area. That area wasn't hit nearly as hard as many others either.

Nationwide/Allied had its own problems due to the merger of the two companies. There are stories such as this that happened prior to the recession. I worked for Nationwide for 18months and decided to not renew my contract because I hated it so much...too much inner company feuding between Des Moines and Columbus. And, you could tell that if Nationwide had their way, they would close the DSM offices. The problem is IT in a large company like Allied is a hard thing to move and after 10yrs, they still had not found a way to do it.

And, if I'm wrong about Nationwide...that's fine...Columbus and DSM are rivals when it comes to attracting financial institutions like Nationwide and Allied...that's the real point.

My point being that you see the economy from a different point of view than those of us who saw our economy devastated by Bush and ignored (unless you were on welfare/food stamps/Medicaid) by Obama.

Correct...this is YOUR OPINION. But, the FACTS do NOT back you up. If you read what I said, I already admitted that some areas of the country did not recover as well.

After Ferguson, Missouri, where a black thug who had just robbed a convenience store and beaten the person working there was killed by a police officer who he had just attempted to disarm, this thug's friends and neighbors destroyed that town. Obama's response was that those people must be allowed to express their feelings. From that absurd remark sprung the completely over the top and out of control Black Lives Matter. Maybe you should have gone and spent some quality time in some of the neighborhoods of Omaha during that time.

I have mostly stayed out of the Ferguson argument because there is wrong on ALL sides. IMO, to put all of the blame on Obama is no better or different than putting all of the blame on the police.

In your rant, you did not specify Ferguson...but an opinion that Obama had a general non-respect for law enforcement...never saying a word, etc. That generalization is wrong...and IMO, it is also wrong to use one event such as Ferguson to make such a generalized statement.

[Monker]

This is the same type of crap you would post when you advocated that there was going to be double dip recession, and huge turn in the Obama economy, etc.

The bottom line in all of the below is that the US needs to be a leader. A leader does not look back to old industries like coal and manufacturing. A leader looks to the future and sees alternative industry. The fact is that China is stealing those industries from us. They are the leader right now in things like solar cells because we are looking backwards to coal and oil. "Drill baby drill" is not the future. Our leaders should be supporting companies who innovate, like Tesla, and encouraging more.

You are also a bunch of hypocrites. You talk below about China creating their own trading alliances and effectively removing the US from the competition. But, you also are AGAINST the US creating their own trading alliances via NAFTA or PPP. And, you are FOR starting trade wars with tarries.

This isn't about parties.... never has been

It's about the Establishment (pick your poison: globalists, elites, wealthy, socialists) subjugating and controlling a population (the People)

vs.

The People protecting and asserting their natural and inalienable rights, which are enshrined in a document (the Constitution) that prevents the Establishment from simply taking them away.....


Bickering about parties and picking sides is fighting at the altitude the Establishment wants you fighting at. Playing checkers.

Increase your altitude. Play chess.



Why the US is making the moves it is making.

China,

• has successfully placed the yuan in the SDR... (future substitute to the $USD as reserve currency)
  
  
• is launching a yuan-denominated oil futures contract at the end of March on the Shanghai Futures Exchange (initial move to eventually supplant the Petrodollar)
  
  
• in concert with Russia, have built a system which bypasses the US SWIFT system for international banking transactions, which the US uses to punish nations politically. The US will be left in the cold when the Asian peninsula economy really heats up in the next decade. All bypassing the US.
  
  
• is well on the way to implementing its "One Belt, One Road" initiative, which will effectively tie Asia and Europe together economically. (leaving the US out)
  
  
  
  
  
• is taking over the South China Sea
  
  
  

History has repeatedly shown that the country that controls the world economically, controls the world politically. History also shows that as empires die, the remaining muscles they have left to flex are the more violent ones...

Meanwhile, China has been flexing her economic muscles, all the while economically conquering the world. This will give her political control without firing a shot.

The US has effectively lost its manufacturing base to China/ASIA, and with it its ability to economically bend the world to its will. This translates to a loss in the ability to influence the world politically. This is the very beginnings of a very predictable diminishing of tools to influence and/or control world events.

So Trump approving...

• an increase military recruitment numbers,
• john bolton as sec advisor, and
• congress about to approve a 1.3T dollar spending bill for the next 6 months

... should be taken for what they are - steps to flex the remaining muscles the empire has left. Which as history shows, and predictably, for the US, means continued agression (war). This is why D.C. is DESPARATE to make Russia the villian AGAIN. It's also why D.C. is targeting China trade-wise. But China is too powerful as a trading partner to directly threaten. Russia is not.

The US is running out of non-violent bullets... do the math. Chess not checkers.

[Monker]

"You can't lose arguments you don't engage in."

Right. So they left.

Which is exactly why some of you run people off of the forum, like Ana (or whatever her name was) by spewing a bunch of personal attacks and saying she doesn't have what it takes to be posting here. Engaging in policy arguments has nothing to do with it. Enduring constant personal attacks does.

[The_Noble_Cause]

THIS POSTER ALTERED THEN QUOTED MY POST! What kind of shit does that?

Agreed. This is bullshit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Then enter Russia, who has the same agenda and encourages the division on both sides.

LMAO. Any concrete examples of this? Unlike you, I actually posted Russian FB election memes on here. They are a total joke. Besides these memes, can you point 2 any other evidence of Russia sewing division? The ODNI report cited old programming on RT about fracking. This is the biggest whopping pile of bullshit ever perpetrated on the American public since Iraqi WMDs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Which is exactly why some of you run people off of the forum, like Ana (or whatever her name was) by spewing a bunch of personal attacks and saying she doesn't have what it takes to be posting here. Engaging in policy arguments has nothing to do with it. Enduring constant personal attacks does.

Forget about Ana. Let's talk about Archetype. You gullibly sided with him because he shared your political views. He later turned out to be some sort of creepy North Korean plant... professing his love for the eternal leader Kim Jong whatever.

Additionally, at one point the biggest liberal on this forum was Deano. On what planet was he a paragon of civility? He lit people up all the time that he disagreed with. So the idea of that personal attacks are limited to one political faction is total bullshit - just like everything you post.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You really aren't getting the truth from the media you're seeing and reading.

Yeah, I'm way to stupid to be able to research and read various sources and make up my own mind.

I don't know Drew. You previously mentioned following SIGINT sources. Some of the most notable SIGINT experts (see John Schindler) are complete frauds.

Overall, I wish you would consider the possibility that the posters in this thread are as intelligent as you and also capable of making their own informed conclusions.