They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[verslibre]

Gropfenfuhrer

Adolf Twittler

[Boomchild]

Last time I checked, Flynn pleaded guilty. Quite literally NOTHING has come out exonerating him in any way whatsoever.

An Flynn explained that he plead guilty because he could not afford a legal the defense to fight the charges. He already had to sell his home. Also in a recent hearing, the judge ordered Mueller to turn over all exculpatory evidence to the defense because it may contain information that could aid Flynn in his defense.

[Boomchild]

If there is any real basis for these suits more specifics will come out. Right now they're just like a bunch of coyotes scrambling in to try to grab a piece of it.

The only differences between what our President has been doing and what Obama was doing are that is that Trump was enforcing the laws as they were written and Obama was releasing them on their own recognizance to never show up again. I guess it doesn't pay to follow the law too rigidly.

Based on the issues illegal immigration has caused we should be enforcing our immigration laws as they are. There are legislators on both sides that will only agree to immigration reform that provides amnesty to every illegal alien in the U.S.. They would then want to move onto enacting laws that would create open borders. A country that does not have secure borders, proper immigration laws and enforce them will cease to be a country.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Jesus, really? Who the fuck hacked your account?

Nobody. Fake liberal pussies like you just lost your minds.

I just POSTED IRREFUTABLE FACTS. Good Lord. What's insulting is how people on this board peddle in easily debunked conspiracy theories while letting Trump shred the Constitution and destroy our democracy.

I never said zero tolerance was written by Dems. I actually haven't mentioned it all. I asked for solutions to a humanitarian crisis. You presented none.

Last time I checked, Flynn pleaded guilty. Quite literally NOTHING has come out exonerating him in any way whatsoever.

He pleaded guilty to a process crime. Big whoop.

At what point does country prevail over party for all of you? What does it take? This tribalism is terrifying. One need only scroll back a few weeks to see where most people who post on this board completely flipped their positions as soon as the Gropfenfuhrer did one of his patented about-faces.

If you actually cared, you would have mentioned the detained children prior to Trump. You haven't. That's all I need to know about your motives.

BTW, what is more likely? That a cabal of Republicans and traditional conservatives have conspired by the thousands to frame a lifelong liberal-turned-GOP fascist for electioneering, racketeering, gerrymandering, obstruction of justice, money laundering, and treason? Or that Adolf Twittler is guilty? Occam's Razor, anyone?

Umm, he was opposed tooth and nail by the establishment from the very first day he announced his candidacy. So the idea that there was some political bias involved in the forming of special counsel is not that far-fetched.

As for "traditional conservatives".....who cares? Labels change all the time and great leaders fundamentally transform their parties. Dems should be taking the lead on things like nafta reform, experimental drug treatments, and space exploration. Instead they are babbling about Russia and exploiting kids.

[Boomchild]

Check this out Boomer.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... hts-groups

Good for Hungary. Hopefully more countries will ban Soros from meddling. I believe Russia issued a warrant for his arrest should he enter the country. Wasn't there another country in Europe that was looking to ban him?

[ohsherrie]

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/cas ... tion_et_al

Summons issued in DC for Soros and a bunch of Clinton connections.

[ohsherrie]

Children held separate from their parents in 2014!

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant ... r-in-2014/

[ohsherrie]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... r-orphans/

The sad legacy of the Obama Border Orphans

By Charles Hurt - The Washington Times - Wednesday, June 20, 2018

"Finally, these dishonest goons have found their Russian gulags to pin on President Trump.

Just when it looked like Mr. Trump had utterly defeated the blithering simps, they called a surprise audible.

(Quick! Run for the border! Take pictures of illegal adults dragging innocent children across the border and getting arrested! Blame it all on Trump!)

This did not happen by accident. I will tell you why they did it.

About three weeks ago, the mavens of fake news found a photograph of a couple of children sleeping inside a chain-link fence cage on a concrete floor.

Having failed to bring down Mr. Trump with Russiagate or Stormygate or by using the most powerful tools of the federal government, dishonest left wing loons decided to hang those caged children on Mr. Trump.

They said it was a result of Mr. Trump’s heartless “new” policy of ripping children out of the arms of their parents at the border. (All of this is a lie. Any criminal arrested in any civilized country does not take their child to jail with them.)

For Mr. Trump’s haters, the picture was the best news of their hyperpolitical lives. Deliriously, they shared the picture far and wide.

Even Team Obama — feckless since they were run out of town on a rail after eight years of hopeless misery — swung into action.

“Look at these pictures,” rejoiced Mr. Obama’s failed fake news speechwriter Jon Favreau. “This is happening right now, and the only debate that matters is how we force our government to get these kids back to their families as fast as humanly possible.”

There was only one hugely embarrassing problem. It was all fake news, peddled by nefarious fraudsters like Mr. Favreau.

Turned out, the photo they were blaming on Mr. Trump actually was taken at the border during the previous administration, under the policies of one Barack Hussein Obama.

These sad, innocent little children in cages were, in fact, Obama Border Orphans.

Now, for anyone with a conscience, committing such dishonest treachery would be embarrassing. But, these people have no shame whatsoever. And their rapid reaction was simple: Double down on the lie.

In one case, they even staged a photo of a child in a wire dog crate and blamed it on President Trump. The faked photo, of course, went “viral.”

So, for folks keeping score at home: That would be one crying child stuffed into a cage by the open borders wackos; none by generous American patriots.

The bottom line is that any time any criminal is detained, of course their children are not sent to prison with them! Can you imagine the pictures if children actually got sent to adult prison? Imagine what would happen them in general population."

[verslibre]

Oh shit, Melania is in Texas at a detention center. Here comes the howling mob.....


I love this man!

Somehow...I knew it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Slam dunk, 50 State landslide...this covers a lot of voters.

Treasury Says New Postcard-Sized Tax Return To Be Released Next Week

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphill ... de7ba6408b

About fucking time.

[Monker]

First of all, all of you above who argued against an executive order by saying he couldn't do it because of court rulings - you were wrong. Period.

As for the various links to web pages after I asked you to quote a law that said parents had to be separated from children. You didn't do it. There is no law that says parents and children must be separated...you were wrong again.

Where we are right now, after the executive order, is exactly where Obama was....but in addition to the children, Trump wants to process families. The court decision you all like to point to says these families can not be kept more than 20 days. That means that Trump either: defies the courts and keeps them more than 20 days, again separates children from parents, or lets the families go.

Obama decided to let the families go from the start, instead of going down the wormhole of presecuting them...and instead of devoting resources into it, to focus prosecuting the real criminals - gang members, drug dealers, etc. This is not something new that I am stating...I said the same thing to Sherrie months ago.

Trump is trying to do this by policy changes and executive order. It can't be done because of the amount resources needed to arrest them, hold them, prosecute them, and judge them. You are talking more border patrol agents, more holding places, more attorneys to prosecute them, more court space to hold trials, and more judges...I have no idea what a cost estimate would be - probably tens of millions of dollars and a LOT of time to put the infrastructure in place.

To do this right, Trump should have written up a bill to put in place the infrastructure BEFORE changing the policy. But, Trump has a HORRIBLE record of negotiating deals with congress. So, he does it by policy changes and now executive order....and tries to force congress to clean up the mess HE CREATED.

That is wrong, and nobody is to blame for this catastrophy but Donald Trump.

The court cases about this are valid. IMO, it would not be out of line for the US government to pay repairations to these families in the same way repairations were paid to Japanese Americans in interment camps during wWII. I don't care if they are not citizens...the USA is better than this and Trump has made a shameful mark on our history.

And, finally, I don't remember the exact quote but during the signing of the executive order, he said something like, "You have to be heartless to not feel for these children." There are obviously a lot of heartless bastards in this forum. Again, it is shameful that you put your personal politics at such a high priority that you justify taking children away from their parents.

You try to mix this with the child refugees being sent from central America. It is not the same situation, it is a completely different topic. Obama had a choice of either sending them back, to an almost certain death, or keeping them and processing them as refugees. Neither was a good choice. He also did a futile attempt at educating those in central america that their children would not be seen as DACA kids.

One final point. Almost ALL of these are not "illegal aliens" but here to seek refugee status in the US, fleeing economic crisis, political coruption, and crime in their home nation. Seeking asylumh is their legal right. Yes, they are being prosecuted for crossing the border illigaly. But, that is a misdemeanor. So, unless there is something else in their record (which is EXTREMELY doubtful), they are given time served and let go anyway....it's all just a huge waste of time and resources for very little gain.

I agree with what Obama ultimately did - instead of focusing so much on refugees and illegal border crossing, to focus the effort on finding and prosecuting the true criminals - and deporting them.

[Monker]

The bottom line is that any time any criminal is detained, of course their children are not sent to prison with them! Can you imagine the pictures if children actually got sent to adult prison? Imagine what would happen them in general population."

This ignores the FACT that these are NOT "criminals". They have not even been to trial. Or, are you an anarchist who no longer believes in a fair trial and being innocent until proven guilty?

Crossing the border illegaly is also not a felony. It's a misdemeanor. So, you are in favor of taking children away from people doing things like "J walking' and other misdemeanor crimes. This also not supposed to be "jail". How often are people charged with misdemeanors sent to jail prior to trial? I bet hardly any of them.

If they were in the general population and accused of a misdemeanor, they would be sent home to await trial.

[Monker]

The bottom line is that any time any criminal is detained, of course their children are not sent to prison with them! Can you imagine the pictures if children actually got sent to adult prison? Imagine what would happen them in general population."

This ignores the FACT that these are NOT "criminals". They have not even been to trial. Or, are you an anarchist who no longer believes in a fair trial and being innocent until proven guilty?

Crossing the border illegaly is also not a felony. It's a misdemeanor. So, you are in favor of taking children away from people doing things like "J walking' and other misdemeanor crimes. This also not supposed to be "jail". How often are people charged with misdemeanors sent to jail prior to trial? I bet hardly any of them.

If they were in the general population and accused of a misdemeanor, they would be sent home to await trial.

Illegally crossing the border and not using official entry points is a misdemeanor for first offense and a felony on second.

Why do you lie to yourself so?

Reno v Flores, its the new thing, check it out, even Cuomo quoted it today among many others.

Dude, you just wrote it was a misdemeanor! Are you this stupid? These people coming from central america have not been here before. These are not a bunch of Mexicans who have been here before.

[verslibre]

These people coming from central america have not been here before. These are not a bunch of Mexicans who have been here before.

You have to remember that to guys like FF there's no difference between "Mexican, Guatemalan, Colombian, Brazilian," etc. To them/him, they're all the same.

[verslibre]

These people coming from central america have not been here before. These are not a bunch of Mexicans who have been here before.

You have to remember that to guys like FF there's no difference between "Mexican, Guatemalan, Colombian, Brazilian," etc. To them/him, they're all the same.

Yeah, if they cross our border illegally, they are criminals. Period, stop, end of story. All the same, treated all the same.

STFU. If they were Bavarians, you'd be greeting them with a bouquet cascade with Richard Simmons in tow.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If they were in the general population and accused of a misdemeanor, they would be sent home to await trial.

Sounds good to me. Let's send all the illegals back to their "home". Glad we agree that deportation is the way to go.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obama decided to let the families go from the start, instead of going down the wormhole of presecuting them...and instead of devoting resources into it, to focus prosecuting the real criminals - gang members, drug dealers, etc. This is not something new that I am stating...I said the same thing to Sherrie months ago.

Proof? He may have scaled back enforcement by the 2nd term, but otherwise this sounds like a total rewriting of history.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The court cases about this are valid. IMO, it would not be out of line for the US government to pay repairations to these families in the same way repairations were paid to Japanese Americans in interment camps during wWII. I don't care if they are not citizens...the USA is better than this and Trump has made a shameful mark on our history.

Oh yes, soo shameful.
Meanwhile the US military drops a bomb every ten minutes. FDR turned jews away fleeing Hitler. Your concern for the well-being of these kids is bunk. And your knowledge of America is about as deep as a schoolhouse rock episode.

And, finally, I don't remember the exact quote but during the signing of the executive order, he said something like, "You have to be heartless to not feel for these children." There are obviously a lot of heartless bastards in this forum. Again, it is shameful that you put your personal politics at such a high priority that you justify taking children away from their parents.

I'm not responsible for these kids. The parents' are. If the parents chose to expose their own kids to criminal acts, that is on them.

You try to mix this with the child refugees being sent from central America. It is not the same situation, it is a completely different topic.

Not really. The majority of the kids being detained came without parents. It's the exact same topic.

[ohsherrie]

A lot of lawyers thought the Executive Order couldn't override the Flores case, but I guess if nobody challenges it there won't be a problem, right now. After all, the Dems would look pretty bad right now if they stopped the kids who actually have parents from being with them.

The families can be sent back across the border rather than let loose here. That would be my preference. As for the kids whose parents chose not to make the trip, find them and send the kids back. If you can't find the parents tell their countries of origin to come get them or all Aid from this country will stop. Frankly I don't care how they do it as long as the point is made to Honduras, San Salvatore and all the rest of the shithole countries that this country is closed to them until we can get control or our border.

Trump has tried since he took office to get an immigration law passed but hasn't been able to because the Dems won't pass a law with enough teeth to do any good. The only solution is a WALL. If they couldn't get in here without doing so legally they would stop.

Everybody who crosses that border can say they're seeking refuge. They aren't here legally until refuge is granted. We've got to stop granting asylum to unaccompanied kids over 13 because too many of them are already gang affiliated or will soon be.

I disagree with ignoring the border and going after the criminals. That's how you get into a mess like Obama had in 2014 and we have again now. We've got to strengthen border security with a wall and stricter laws at the ports of entry while we go after the criminals.

We don't owe any of those people anything. They came here illegally. The only ones that even deserve consideration are the ones who came through the ports of entry.

DUI is a misdemeanor if most cases on first offense, unless you have a kid in the car because you're endangering the life of the child. Maybe the same thing should be true for illlegal border crossing.

Until the wall is built I would like to see tanks and other large military vehicle with armed personnel parked all along the borders turning every person back. That would probably cost more than the wall.

Everybody in this country illegally is a criminal.

Heartless? Every parent who is a citizen of this country who is in jail or in the military has be taken away from their children.

As long as we keep letting them use numbers to storm their way in they will continue to coming until they do to all of this country what they have parts of Los Angelos and San Francisco. If you don't know what that means you should look it up and decide if you want that in a neighborhood near you.

[verslibre]

Until the wall is built I would like to see tanks and other large military vehicle with armed personnel parked all along the borders turning every person back. That would probably cost more than the wall.

LMFAO!! Did you tell your grandkids to enlist and/or apply to CBP? Seems like all trigger-happy hotheads are the ones who never want their kin involved in conflicts domestic or global. Watching Duck Dynasty won't cut it.

[ohsherrie]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06 ... order.html

They changed the Flores decision to conform to the executive order.

[verslibre]

Trump to meet with Putin.

To swap spit?

[ohsherrie]

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-medi ... ion-liquid

U.S. Customs and Border Protection Statement on Separation of Minor with Down Syndrome
Release Date: June 20, 2018
U.S. Customs and Border Protection separated a child with Down Syndrome from her mother as a result of a smuggling attempt on June 3, 2018. This however was not a result of zero tolerance as the mother is not being prosecuted, rather being held as a witness in the smuggling incident.

The mother and her five children were in a vehicle driven by a U.S. citizen. Upon questioning, the mother admitted to being illegally in the United States. Three of the children are U.S. citizens and were released to an aunt. The mother was not prosecuted, but is instead being held as a material witness to support the prosecution of the smuggler, which precipitated the separation of the two other children, both Mexican citizens.

This smuggler has a criminal history including a flight, escape, aiding and abetting making it important that we prosecute.

The children are in the custody of Health and Human Services, Office of Refugee Resettlement. U.S. Customs and Border Protection with the Department of Justice are working to reunite the mother with her children as soon as possible.

San Luis CBP Officers Seize $370K in Meth
Release Date: June 20, 2018
TUCSON, Ariz. – U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers arrested a U.S. citizen as well as a Mexican national, in connection to a pair of failed smuggling attempts earlier this week resulting in the seizure of more than 123 pounds of methamphetamine at Arizona’s Port of San Luis.

Nearly 71 pounds of meth was seized from a smuggling vehicle
Officers referred a 19-year-old San Luis, Arizona man for additional questioning as he attempted to enter the U.S. from Mexico early yesterday morning in his Ford truck. After an alert to the presence of what it is trained to detect by a CBP canine, officers discovered multiple packages of meth within the vehicle’s fuel tank of nearly 53 pounds, worth $158,000.

Monday, a 41-year-old Mexican man was referred for further inspection of his Honda truck. A positive alert by a CBP canine led to the discovery of nearly 71 pounds of meth, worth almost $212,000 within the rear quarter panels.

CBP officers seized the drugs and vehicles, and the subjects were both arrested and turned over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations.

Agents Rescue 6-year-old Abandoned by Smuggler
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Release Date: June 20, 2018
TUCSON, Ariz. – Ajo Station Border Patrol agents rescued a 6-year-old Costa Rican boy after he was abandoned on the border road Tuesday evening.

Agents discovered the child west of Lukeville, Arizona and just north of the border, in temperatures over 100 degrees. The child told agents he was dropped off by his uncle and that Border Patrol would pick him up. He added that he was on his way to see his mother in the U.S.

The child, who was found in good condition, was transported to Tucson for further processing.

This incident highlights the dangers faced by migrants at the hands of smugglers. Children in particular are extremely vulnerable, not only to exploitation, but also to the elements in the environment.

Arizona’s desert is a merciless environment for those unprepared for its remote, harsh terrain and unpredictable weather. The Border Patrol advises anyone in distress to call 9-1-1 or activate a rescue beacon as soon as possible.

Border Patrol Agents Find Abandoned Methamphetamine Near Rio Grande River
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Release Date: June 20, 2018
EAGLE PASS, Texas – Border Patrol agents assigned to Eagle Pass Station found a backpack containing 4.6 pounds of methamphetamine near a residential area. This the second time in less than a week agents have discovered abandoned narcotics.

This the second time in less than a week agents in the area have discovered abandoned narcotics.
“The drug cartels, in their attempt to bring contraband to the United States, use any method to achieve their purpose,” said Del Rio Sector Chief Patrol Agent Felix Chavez. “In this case, the smugglers abandoned the contraband near homes where children and families live, but our agents’ rapid response prevented a potential tragedy. This dangerous substance will not reach the streets and will not harm the general public.”

On June 19, agents assigned to the Eagle Pass Station, were responding to illegal activity north of downtown when they spotted foot prints going toward the Rio Grande River. After an extensive search, agents discovered the backpack containing two packages of suspected narcotics, wrapped in black tape and cellophane. At Eagle Pass Station, agents identified the substance as methamphetamine with an estimated street value of $147,200. The drugs were turned over to the custody of the Drug Enforcement Administration. The most recent discovery of abandoned narcotics happened June 16 when agents discovered an abandoned backpack along the banks of the Rio Grande River, which contained approximately 6.9 pounds of methamphetamine.

CBP Officers at Laredo Port of Entry Remain Vigilant As They Seize Over $636K in Hard Narcotics
Release Date: June 19, 2018
LAREDO, Texas—U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Office of Field Operations (OFO) CBP officers at Laredo Port of Entry recently seized a significant amount of hard narcotics worth more than $636,000 in two enforcement actions over the weekend.

“Our CBP officers’ knowledge of concealment methods and the technology they utilize on a daily basis played a key role in the discovery,” said Port Director Alberto Flores, Laredo Port of Entry. “I commend our CBP officers for a job well done in keeping these dangerous narcotics off our streets.”

Bundles containing 36 pounds of cocaine seized by CBP officers at Colombia Solidarity Bridge.
The first seizure occurred on Friday, June 15, when a CBP officer at the Colombia-Solidarity Bridge referred a 2014 Nissan Pathfinder, driven by a 66-year-old male Mexican citizen who resides in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico for a secondary inspection. Upon a non-intrusive and physical inspection by a CBP officer, a total of 15 packages containing 36 pounds of alleged cocaine were discovered within the vehicle.

The last seizure occurred on Saturday, June 16, when a CBP officers assigned to the Juarez-Lincoln International Bridge referred a 2016 Nissan Versa, driven by a 31-year-old male Mexican citizen who also resides on Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico for a secondary inspection. Upon a non-intrusive inspection of the vehicle by CBP officers, a total of seven packages containing 18 pounds of alleged crystal methamphetamine were discovered.

The narcotics have a combined estimated street value of $636,476.

CBP seized the narcotics and the vehicles. The drivers were arrested and the cases were turned over to Homeland Security Investigations special agents.

CBP Field Operations Seizes Over Half a Million of Heroin Concealed Within a Commercial Trailer
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Release Date: June 19, 2018
PHARR, Texas—U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Office of Field Operations (OFO) at the Pharr International Bridge cargo facility discovered alleged heroin valued at $504,412 concealed within a commercial trailer.

Bundles containing 12.61 pounds of heroin seized by CBP officers at Pharr International Bridge
“As smugglers continue with their efforts to introduce illegal narcotics into the United States, our officers’ vigilance, perseverance and dedication in keeping our borders secure resulted in this substantial narcotic seizure,” said Port Director Carlos Rodriguez, Hidalgo/Pharr/Anzalduas Port of Entry.

The seizure occurred on June 15, when CBP officers assigned to the Pharr International Bridge cargo facility encountered a 1995 Kenworth tractor-trailer. CBP officers utilized a non-intrusive imaging (NII) system along with the help of a canine team to locate the narcotics. CBP officers extracted six packages containing a total of 12.61 pounds of alleged heroin concealed within the commercial trailer.

CBP OFO seized the drugs, the case remains under investigation by Homeland Security Investigations special agents.
Border Patrol Agents Find 18 Illegal Aliens Inside Utility Truck
Release Date: June 19, 2018
TUCSON, Ariz. – Border Patrol agents from the Brian A. Terry Station discovered 18 illegal aliens, including two children, hidden inside a box truck in Hereford Saturday afternoon and arrested the 56-year-old male driver.

Agents in the Coronado National Memorial area observed a group of suspected illegal aliens walking through the desert towards Montezuma Canyon Road as well as a box truck stopping multiple times along that same road.

Agents stopped a box truck & found illegal aliens inside the back
Additional agents observed the truck leave the memorial area and followed behind. A short time later, the driver of the box truck self-yielded. An agent stopped behind the truck, approached the driver, and requested to search the back of the truck, to which the driver agreed and opened the rear door.

The agent subsequently discovered 18 people in the rear of the truck: 3 Guatemala nationals, 13 Mexican nationals, and 2 unaccompanied Mexican national children, inside the rear of the box truck. The truck had no source of light, fresh air ventilation or air conditioning, water, nor any means of escape from the inside.

The driver was arrested for human smuggling and all the illegal aliens were transported to the Brian A. Terry Border Patrol Station to be processed for immigration violations.

As Arizona’s temperatures rise, people hiding in vehicle trunks or trailers are at a greater risk of suffering from heat injury, physical injury, or death.

[ohsherrie]

Lots of insults and no solutions. Anybody else noticing a trend?

Last time you were here 7, you were babbling about Flynn and the Russians right before ABC News had to retract their reporting. I don't think you should be lecturing anyone about facts.

Jesus, really? Who the fuck hacked your account? I just POSTED IRREFUTABLE FACTS. Good Lord. What's insulting is how people on this board peddle in easily debunked conspiracy theories while letting Trump shred the Constitution and destroy our democracy.

Last time I checked, Flynn pleaded guilty. Quite literally NOTHING has come out exonerating him in any way whatsoever.

At what point does country prevail over party for all of you? What does it take? This tribalism is terrifying. One need only scroll back a few weeks to see where most people who post on this board completely flipped their positions as soon as the Gropfenfuhrer did one of his patented about-faces.

BTW, what is more likely? That a cabal of Republicans and traditional conservatives have conspired by the thousands to frame a lifelong liberal-turned-GOP fascist for electioneering, racketeering, gerrymandering, obstruction of justice, money laundering, and treason? Or that Adolf Twittler is guilty? Occam's Razor, anyone?

Good God. You people are gullible.

https://saraacarter.com/meadows-fbi-may ... stigation/

I read that on Twitter K.C. I hope it goes somewhere.

[Monker]

Until the wall is built I would like to see tanks and other large military vehicle with armed personnel parked all along the borders turning every person back. That would probably cost more than the wall.

LMFAO!! Did you tell your grandkids to enlist and/or apply to CBP? Seems like all trigger-happy hotheads are the ones who never want their kin involved in conflicts domestic or global. Watching Duck Dynasty won't cut it.

Ah, so he's going to pull the military from the now "safe" South Korea and put them on the border to protect the US from Central American children and parents seeking asylum. Makes perfect sense. Not.

[Monker]

http://www.fauxnews.com/politics/2018/06/21/department-justice-files-flores-agreement-modification-to-fall-in-line-with-trump-executive-order.html

They changed the Flores decision to conform to the executive order.

No, they petitioned to change it, which will most likely fail.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ah, so he's going to pull the military from the now "safe" South Korea and put them on the border to protect the US from Central American children and parents seeking asylum. Makes perfect sense. Not.

And if the ports of entry are at capacity (as many are), can these asylum-seekers be dumped in your backyard?
America is not a Starbucks bathroom. Not everybody gets to come in and shit all over.

[Monker]

A lot of lawyers thought the Executive Order couldn't override the Flores case, but I guess if nobody challenges it there won't be a problem, right now. After all, the Dems would look pretty bad right now if they stopped the kids who actually have parents from being with them.

Why do you people believe this bullshit. It was POLICY DECISION. He didn't even need an executive order...all Sessions had to do is change the policy, and Trump could have ordered him to do it.

The families can be sent back across the border rather than let loose here. That would be my preference. As for the kids whose parents chose not to make the trip, find them and send the kids back.

Yep...and then the administration would be violating federal law. People from other nations have the right to seek asylum. So, yeah, he could send them back...and he (or Obama), or any other President) would be have an issue with that.

If you can't find the parents tell their countries of origin to come get them or all Aid from this country will stop.

And, tey would laugh, take them back and execute them. Yeah, good idea. These are the most violent countries in the world.

Frankly I don't care how they do it as long as the point is made to Honduras, San Salvatore and all the rest of the shithole countries that this country is closed to them until we can get control or our border.

Except that is an impossibility. As I said, they have the RIGHT to seek asylum:

The asylum provision of the Refugee Act, 8 U.S.C. §1158(a)(1) provides:
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or
not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having
been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply
for asylum in accordance with this section, or where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Trump has tried since he took office to get an immigration law passed but hasn't been able to because the Dems won't pass a law with enough teeth to do any good. The only solution is a WALL. If they couldn't get in here without doing so legally they would stop.

That is just not true. There were several compromises that Trump originally agreed to but then balk and changed his mind on. The truth is that Trump, and/or those who surround him and advise him, refuse to compromise to get ANYTHING done. Even McConnell said there was no use in passing anything until Trump decided what he would sign. Also, the House has REPUBLICANS split and fighting over details.

So, the truth is that Trump is a terrible negotiator and deal maker, and REPUBLICANS have their own internal political issues. Both of these things are blocking immigration, and health care reform. It has very little to do with Democrats.

[quote[]Everybody who crosses that border can say they're seeking refuge. They aren't here legally until refuge is granted. We've got to stop granting asylum to unaccompanied kids over 13 because too many of them are already gang affiliated or will soon be. [/quote]

Fortunately, the decision on whether to grant asylum or not is not up to Trump, you, or any other Trump zombie. You and they would deny them their rights under the law to even apply for asylum

I disagree with ignoring the border and going after the criminals. That's how you get into a mess like Obama had in 2014 and we have again now. We've got to strengthen border security with a wall and stricter laws at the ports of entry while we go after the criminals.

No, that is just true. Trump created his own mess by changing the policy without having the infrastructure in place to deal with it. Obama dealt with it the best he could under the circumstances. In the end, Trump will be FORCED to do the same thing. Short cuts like policy changes and executive orders do not hire people to arrest, prosecute, and judge the cases, nor do they create facilities to humanely hold these people. Get a law through congress...and THEN change the policy.

We don't owe any of those people anything. They came here illegally. The only ones that even deserve consideration are the ones who came through the ports of entry.

You are simply wrong. First of all, reports are that even those who came through the ports of entry had their children taken away and others were turned away. And, now it is out that the government has not even tracked which child belongs to which parent. This is flat out incompetence and negligence. As far I am concerned, they should all be granted citizenship, and a $200,000 tax write off in allowance to purchase their first home. They were wronged and treated badly by this country and the nation should be embarrassed by it and want to make it right.

DUI is a misdemeanor if most cases on first offense, unless you have a kid in the car because you're endangering the life of the child. Maybe the same thing should be true for illlegal border crossing.

Just stop. You are justifying separating a child from a parent. If the government came and took your grand kids away, and didn't know where they took them or how you could contact them, you would be outraged and furious. These people are human beings and deserve to be treated as such. They are not an infestation as Trump has said. You have lost your humanity by being a Trump zombie and I pity you.

Until the wall is built I would like to see tanks and other large military vehicle with armed personnel parked all along the borders turning every person back. That would probably cost more than the wall.

Not gonna happen.

Everybody in this country illegally is a criminal.

No, they are an accused criminal...until a judge says otherwise.

Heartless? Every parent who is a citizen of this country who is in jail or in the military has be taken away from their children.

Except these people are not in "jail" and have not been convicted of any crime...and are accused of a misdemeanor and will not be serving time in jail anyway. "Oh, you have spent two months in a concentration camp separated from your children? Time served. You are free to go, next case."

As long as we keep letting them use numbers to storm their way in they will continue to coming until they do to all of this country what they have parts of Los Angelos and San Francisco.['/quote]

Again, these are NOT MEXICANS. How hard is that for you to understand?

If you don't know what that means you should look it up and decide if you want that in a neighborhood near you.

You don't think there are Mexicans here? There are plenty due to the meat processing plants around the state and farming, where nobody wants to work. There are a LOT of Middle Eaterners due to the fact that there are so many IT jobs in the area that can't be filled.

This seems like 1980's South Africa where I'm arguing with a few white people who can't stand the FACT that they are only 10% of the population and creating laws to suppress the growing majority is not sustainable. It's not going to be long and Caucasians are going to be outnumbered by the totality of minorities.

The US is changing due to immigration. That is the way the US has worked since it's founding. As I have said, this is an old conversation but with different immigrants. Get over it already.

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Ah, so he's going to pull the military from the now "safe" South Korea and put them on the border to protect the US from Central American children and parents seeking asylum. Makes perfect sense. Not.

And if the ports of entry are at capacity (as many are), can these asylum-seekers be dumped in your backyard?
America is not a Starbucks bathroom. Not everybody gets to come in and shit all over.

Classic!

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Monker, I told you I'm not responding to those parsed posts anymore so I'm not bothering to read that one. I still mean what I said in my post anyway so why go to all that work?