They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Andrew]

Correct. And neither was filled with conspiracies, hard-right propaganda sites and both had some sembelence of balance.

Since the term "hard-right propaganda" or media sites has been thrown about here a lot, I would be interested to know which sites or media you think are "hard-left propaganda".

I avoid hard-anything propaganda. Left, right or Martian.

[Andrew]

This is deeply unpopular here amongst the majority and will hopefully be reversed once this RWNJ government are turfed out.

My understanding is that the Australian immigration policies have been in place for a very long time.

No, current policies were enacted by the current conservative government. They've been in power nearly 6 years and like I stated, they are hugely unpopular and about to be annihilated.

[Boomchild]

This is deeply unpopular here amongst the majority and will hopefully be reversed once this RWNJ government are turfed out.

My understanding is that the Australian immigration policies have been in place for a very long time.

No, current policies were enacted by the current conservative government. They've been in power nearly 6 years and like I stated, they are hugely unpopular and about to be annihilated.

So what you are saying is that until six years ago, Australia did not take those caught entering the country illegally and keep them in off shore detention centers until they could be returned to their point of origin?

[Boomchild]

Correct. And neither was filled with conspiracies, hard-right propaganda sites and both had some sembelence of balance.

Since the term "hard-right propaganda" or media sites has been thrown about here a lot, I would be interested to know which sites or media you think are "hard-left propaganda".

I avoid hard-anything propaganda. Left, right or Martian.

That doesn't answer my question.

[Andrew]

So what you are saying is that until six years ago, Australia did not take those caught entering the country illegally and keep them in off shore detention centers until they could be returned to their point of origin?

Correct. Partially. You’d have to live here to fully understand but the offshore detention policy is the Conservative party’s doing, going back a number of years before taking power. They relentlessly badgered the then govt to act on immigration and mike like Drumpf, made an entire policy out of making immigrants look bad.

[Andrew]

That doesn't answer my question.

You misunderstand my response. I’m not aware of any hard left propaganda. I’m aware of several well regarded media outlets that appeal to my sense of equality and good sense and report facts not nonsense.

[Boomchild]

Correct. Partially. You’d have to live here to fully understand but the offshore detention policy is the Conservative party’s doing, going back a number of years before taking power. They relentlessly badgered the then govt to act on immigration and mike like Drumpf, made an entire policy out of making immigrants look bad.

So were they pressuring the government to address illegal immigration or immigration in general? Also, what is your position? Should people be allowed to subvert your country's immigration process and policies and just let it be uncontrolled?

[JBlake]

Sorry, wasn't speaking alt-right enough. Do you prefer "ya'all" or "y'all" or "yawl"?

Fuck y’all.

Hope that helps.

LOL

[Boomchild]

That doesn't answer my question.

You misunderstand my response. I’m not aware of any hard left propaganda. I’m aware of several well regarded media outlets that appeal to my sense of equality and good sense and report facts not nonsense.

So are you basically sating that in your mind propaganda media etc. only exists on the right?

[JBlake]

First shots were fired the day after Inauguration when Madonna and the gals threw the hissy fit in DC where Madge pontificated on blowing up the White House and Ashley told everyone to be “Nasty.” It hasn’t let up since. CNN and gang have spewed the most amazing lies, half truths and propaganda since before the election and to this day. So called entertainers spewing the most vile and hatred I’ve seen in my 58 years, holding a Presidents severed head, the mocking and ridicule has been out of control. Monker, your side has a lot of nerve I’ll give ya that, but that’s all you got. Loudest screamers are the losers.

Absolutely.

[Boomchild]

First shots were fired the day after Inauguration when Madonna and the gals threw the hissy fit in DC where Madge pontificated on blowing up the White House and Ashley told everyone to be “Nasty.” It hasn’t let up since. CNN and gang have spewed the most amazing lies, half truths and propaganda since before the election and to this day. So called entertainers spewing the most vile and hatred I’ve seen in my 58 years, holding a Presidents severed head, the mocking and ridicule has been out of control. Monker, your side has a lot of nerve I’ll give ya that, but that’s all you got. Loudest screamers are the losers.

Absolutely.

Let's not forget the shooter that attempted to kill Republican Senators while they were practicing for a baseball game. Nor the demonstrations right after the election that turned into riots with destruction of public and private property. I assume this is what some consider civil discourse.

[S2M]

This just occurred to me. We all get along great on here until Monker comes along and stirs things up and then Andrew calls us right wing nut jobs and threatens to close the board. So who is the problem?

It's sort of like a microcosm of this country. All of the hostile, aggressive behavior has come from the left with the encouragement of Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, Tim Kaine, George Soros, etc. and the violent attacks of ANTIFA, but the media blames it on the right.

Of course...because there has to be ONE fly in the ointment, right? How boring would this country be if everyone agreed?

Funny thing about mob mentality...ANY contrary belief is shown the door. And that's regardless of what side the fucking mob is on.

You get along because you have your merry band of like-minded posters. I stay out of here for the most part, not only because I don't have my cut & paste degree from WhatsamattaU, but I just don't care that much.

I'm more interested in debating qualities, then the actual topic. It's amazing how quickly a discussion turns fallacious, and Ad Hominem.

[steveo777]

This just occurred to me. We all get along great on here until Monker comes along and stirs things up and then Andrew calls us right wing nut jobs and threatens to close the board. So who is the problem?

It's sort of like a microcosm of this country. All of the hostile, aggressive behavior has come from the left with the encouragement of Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, Tim Kaine, George Soros, etc. and the violent attacks of ANTIFA, but the media blames it on the right.

Of course...because there has to be ONE fly in the ointment, right? How boring would this country be if everyone agreed?

Funny thing about mob mentality...ANY contrary belief is shown the door. And that's regardless of what side the fucking mob is on.

You get along because you have your merry band of like-minded posters. I stay out of here for the most part, not only because I don't have my cut & paste degree from WhatsamattaU, but I just don't care that much.

I'm more interested in debating qualities, then the actual topic. It's amazing how quickly a discussion turns fallacious, and Ad Hominem.

Solid post, respectfully made. I feel a lot of posters here are like minded in many areas, outside of politics. I'm sure Andrew has mingled with people who would have been RWNJs, had he known their politics, but were never discussed. We've got about half the country that votes one way and the other half that votes the other way. I live in California, where there are predominantly liberals. That does not stop me from having friends on both sides of the aisle. I wish we could all focus on the things we have in common, instead of attacking people who have different political views. Diversity of opinion is healthy. Political discourse is healthy, as long as it doesn't devolve into ad hom attacks. The truth is, people behave differently on the internet than they do in real life. The right and left don't normally treat their neighbors with extreme vitriol over their beliefs. Some polls have the President's approval ratings at 50%. So, that indicates that he's making half the country happy and the other half not so much. A president only serves one or two terms, but the damage we do to each other will last much longer. It's pointless to argue as to who is right because nobody is going to change their positions. T r u m p, as a person is an ass hole, I'll admit it. I voted for who had the policies that I felt were most important to me, especially voted against globalism. We have too many problems to resolve in our own country. There are a lot of positive highlights that have happened during this administration. As in life, we can either look for and accentuate the positive, or we can look for the negatives. I'm sure we can find both. The media is 90% negative toward this POTUS and does not spend any time on the positives. I question whether their agenda might not be helping feed the divide in this country.

[JBlake]

This just occurred to me. We all get along great on here until Monker comes along and stirs things up and then Andrew calls us right wing nut jobs and threatens to close the board. So who is the problem?

It's sort of like a microcosm of this country. All of the hostile, aggressive behavior has come from the left with the encouragement of Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, Tim Kaine, George Soros, etc. and the violent attacks of ANTIFA, but the media blames it on the right.

Of course...because there has to be ONE fly in the ointment, right? How boring would this country be if everyone agreed?

Funny thing about mob mentality...ANY contrary belief is shown the door. And that's regardless of what side the fucking mob is on.

You get along because you have your merry band of like-minded posters. I stay out of here for the most part, not only because I don't have my cut & paste degree from WhatsamattaU, but I just don't care that much.

I'm more interested in debating qualities, then the actual topic. It's amazing how quickly a discussion turns fallacious, and Ad Hominem.

Solid post, respectfully made. I feel a lot of posters here are like minded in many areas, outside of politics. I'm sure Andrew has mingled with people who would have been RWNJs, had he known their politics, but were never discussed. We've got about half the country that votes one way and the other half that votes the other way. I live in California, where there are predominantly liberals. That does not stop me from having friends on both sides of the aisle. I wish we could all focus on the things we have in common, instead of attacking people who have different political views. Diversity of opinion is healthy. Political discourse is healthy, as long as it doesn't devolve into ad hom attacks. The truth is, people behave differently on the internet than they do in real life. The right and left don't normally treat their neighbors with extreme vitriol over their beliefs. Some polls have the President's approval ratings at 50%. So, that indicates that he's making half the country happy and the other half not so much. A president only serves one or two terms, but the damage we do to each other will last much longer. It's pointless to argue as to who is right because nobody is going to change their positions. T r u m p, as a person is an ass hole, I'll admit it. I voted for who had the policies that I felt were most important to me, especially voted against globalism. We have too many problems to resolve in our own country. There are a lot of positive highlights that have happened during this administration. As in life, we can either look for and accentuate the positive, or we can look for the negatives. I'm sure we can find both. The media is 90% negative toward this POTUS and does not spend any time on the positives. I question whether their agenda might not be helping feed the divide in this country.

It's not only the media doing this, it's the entertainment industry as well that is doing it. Also look at all the Democrat leadership who is also doing it.

[verslibre]

[Monker]

THIS is a good read:

By Rep. David Jolly, Former Congressman
You can’t be never-Trump and be a Republican. That’s the clearest and most unequivocal conclusion to which I’ve regrettably, but genuinely, arrived. And it took something more than politics to finally convince me that the fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party has been lost to darker angels — to a darker leader.

My wife and I are celebrating the imminent arrival of our first child, a daughter. Through no choosing of her own, our little girl will inevitably be born into a political household, a household in which her mom and I hope to live the political and moral principles we believe are right, and to prepare our daughter to someday make her own informed choices.

Three years ago, I was a sitting Republican member of Congress who took to the House floor and called on then-candidate Donald Trump to drop out of the presidential race over his proposal to ban immigrants and asylum-seekers based on their religious faith.

I had not previously supported Trump during the presidential primary, nor did I ever come around to supporting his candidacy or his presidency, despite the overwhelming majority of Republican leaders who have dutifully fallen in line behind the brash, irreverent and often offensive leader of the party.

Three years later I find myself fully immersed in a dwindling coalition of Republicans often referred to as never-Trumpers. That is, I was immersed in that coalition — last month I came to the conclusion that it was time to finally leave the Republican Party and registered with no party affiliation.

My reason is simple: Never-Trumpism must also be a rejection of today's GOP orthodoxy, not just the president himself.

Three years into the cultural and political phenomenon that is Donald Trump, we each can recall in vivid and anxious detail clear moments of his personal and presidential failings. This is a man who is well known for his misogyny, his equivocation and manipulation on matters of race and racial justice, a man largely unable to tell the truth or accept accountability, a man of little intellect, conviction or ideology who is often willing, and at times seemingly longing, to display his lack of temperament and fitness on the world stage.

The verdict is in, and it is clear. You either support Trump or you oppose him. You either find valor in his no-nonsense, boorish approach, or you find weakness and shamefulness both in the man and in the image he projects on the nation.

But Trump did not, as many have suggested, merely hijack a political party in order to rise to the most powerful position in the world. He walked right through the front door into the welcoming arms of a coalition that was eagerly awaiting his leadership and his ascendency, a coalition that had long since abandoned conservatism for the more satisfying ideology of angry populism.

It was a Faustian bargain. He used the GOP for his own purpose, and the GOP used him for its own agenda in return.

Trump did not, as many have suggested, merely hijack a political party in order to rise to the most powerful position in the world. He walked right through the front door.

In the decade that has produced Republican voices like Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity and others, Trump cemented within the party a culturally lethal combination of sheer ignorance and raw indifference to responsible policy. Together with legislative and industry insiders looking to unapologetically advance their own priorities and those of deep pocketed corporate interests, the Republican party willingly, knowingly and deliberately shaped itself in Trump's image.

Thus, what was once a party that embraced classic conservative political and economic theory — and believed this ideology was a way to empower Americans — has instead evolved into a callous political coalition willing to leave some of the most vulnerable behind.

The examples are many. To abandon any legitimate attempt to solve pressing healthcare problems for the American people simply because of entrenched opposition to Barack Obama displays not only heartless indifference, but intellectual bankruptcy. To condone the separating of children and parents and the detention of youths seeking freedom invalidates any rational positing that a party cherishes and values human life.

My leaving the party is a personal rejection of Donald Trump, but it is also a rejection of today’s GOP orthodoxy and the partisanship it craves.

To knowingly overlook racial animus and the stoking of racial division undermines not just a party’s moral authority but the personal integrity of those who support it. To ruthlessly pursue economic policies that exacerbate class disparity and needlessly limit opportunity for the least fortunate among us, while enriching the wealthiest and rewarding large donors, reflects not a spirit of humanity, but a spirit of both greed and spite. To speak of personal responsibility but laughingly cast our own generation’s debt obligations upon our children is not leadership. It’s selfishness.

These are ideological reflections not of Donald Trump's governance, but of the Republican party under today's GOP leadership. Trump has given free rein to these elements within the party that in the past had remained at least tempered by more sensible voices. But he did so in coordination with long-standing traditional Republican leaders, who despite notionally speaking to broad concerns of tone and tenor, eagerly accepted his leadership as a means to an end — a way to accomplish an economically and culturally divisive Republican agenda focused on self-enrichment and a disdain for the natural diversity of the nation.

My leaving the party is thus a personal rejection of Donald Trump, but it is also a rejection of today’s GOP orthodoxy and the partisanship it craves. Though parties have their important and proper roles, we know that George Washington warned against their contribution to factions, and two centuries later Barack Obama was still warning of the din of partisanship.

To my Republican friends who will doubtless respond to my criticism by pointing to shortcomings within the Democratic party, I would simply suggest you direct those complaints to Democratic party leaders. It is not a political affiliation I have ever had, and therefore not one with which I have sufficient authority to discuss.

To those on the left who ask why I did not leave sooner, I would say this: I’m glad that I fought for what I thought the Republican Party could be and should be. In the example set by the work of my wife and I within the GOP, I hope our daughter will see the importance of fighting for something you believe in. And from our decision to eventually leave the party, I hope she learns that there are fights from which wiser women and men walk away.

This is one of those fights.

The question for each of us is: What emerges from this most consequential political moment? It is as much a calling as it is a question. For me, I look forward to a renewed faith in both our country and our political system as a member of a coalition of those not affiliated with any major party and willing to work constructively with thought leaders on either side of the political spectrum.

In the end, we each will be remembered for the example we leave for others. It's a choice over which we have complete control. I'm confident in my decision — are you in yours?

Rep. David Jolly
Rep. David Jolly served in the United States Congress from 2014-2017. He represented Florida's 13th district.

[verslibre]

Now wait for everyone else to call DJ a "traitor, deep stater," etc.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Now wait for everyone else to call DJ a "traitor, deep stater," etc.

I never heard of DJ. But the language used in that speech is so dishonest. The President "hijacked" the party? No, actually, that's called winning an election. Saying that prior to this president, the GOP formerly embraced classic conservative political and economic theory is also just a total meaningless word salad. Under Nixon, the party embraced price controls. Under Ike, the party embraced public works. Under Taft, the party pursued trust-busting. Under Bush 2, the party pursued preemptive war and a belief that deficits didn't matter. So what rosy past, exactly, is this dude even talking about? This is a speech full of emotional appeals and a lot of bullshit.

[Boomchild]

Now wait for everyone else to call DJ a "traitor, deep stater," etc.

Like everyone else this person has a right to express and support what he wants to. The issue for him is that the voters don't agree with him. The Republican party has been messed up LONG before T r u m p entered the scene. I would be willing to bet that if not for T r u m p the Republicans would have lost yet another Presidential election. Those that voted for him didn't do so simply because he was on the Republican ticket. Voters were tired of voting for the career politicians and decided to give someone else a chance. People also voted for the positions and ideas he presented in his campaign. Everybody and his brother knew the establishment Republicans in office did not really want him as the nominee. Which for me only made me want to vote for him even more. When you draw fire from the status quo, you know your over the right target.

[RPM]

It’s about time, we are the only Country in the World that allows this..


President Drumpf said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Absolutely. It was ridiculous we let that go on so long.

[JBlake]

Correction: There are a 30 Countries that allow birthright citizenship, the major ones are US, Canada and Brazil.

How about the UK, New Zealand and Australia?

[JBlake]

Correction: There are a 30 Countries that allow birthright citizenship, the major ones are US, Canada and Brazil.

How about the UK, New Zealand and Australia?

They seem to restrict it to one parent must be a citizen already.

All three countries restrict it?

[JBlake]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Wonderful. Yes there is a reason I specifically asked about those three countries. I know so many individuals from those three countries and they all squawk about how America needs to let anyone and everyone in, no immigration, no boarders, etc. Yet they don't even do that in their own countries. Don't you just love how other countries love to get in our face about how we need to run our country and yet they do completely a different thing in their own countries?

[JBlake]

Good stuff I'm reading in the news today. First, some actor I've never even heard of before is claiming that there will be blood in the streets if the GOP come out on top after the midterms. Second, Barbara "The Miss Piggy" Streisand is threatening for a second time that if the GOP comes out on top after the midterms, she's going to leave the country. Just like the first time, it's a threat to remove their contribution to the "entertainment" industry from American's lives if they don't get their way. In Streisand's case, she's about 35 to 40 years too late. She should have pulled that shit when she was relevant. Third, the Rabbi in PA is getting hate mail after welcoming President T r u m p. Yep, the dim lib tards are at it again I see. Proving over and over how the Republicans are the political party of violence and divide.

[Boomchild]

Good stuff I'm reading in the news today. First, some actor I've never even heard of before is claiming that there will be blood in the streets if the GOP come out on top after the midterms. Second, Barbara "The Miss Piggy" Streisand is threatening for a second time that if the GOP comes out on top after the midterms, she's going to leave the country. Just like the first time, it's a threat to remove their contribution to the "entertainment" industry from American's lives if they don't get their way. In Streisand's case, she's about 35 to 40 years too late. She should have pulled that shit when she was relevant. Third, the Rabbi in PA is getting hate mail after welcoming President T r u m p. Yep, the dim lib tards are at it again I see. Proving over and over how the Republicans are the political party of violence and divide.

If the Democrats lose badly in the mid-terms, it certainly will be a test to show their civility. Also, have you heard that Streisand has a song on her new album criticizing President T r u m p?

[Boomchild]

[JBlake]

If our Country is so bad, and POTUS Donald is so mean and nasty and racists that Babs and Co. threaten to move to Canada, why would 15,000 people try and walk 2000miles to get here?

They want free stuff. Health care, food, shelter, and preferential hiring and treatment in the event they want some form of employment. All the stuff dim libtards give such individuals.

[JBlake]

Donald J. Drumpf
@realDonaldTrump

So-called Birthright Citizenship, which costs our Country billions of dollars and is very unfair to our citizens, will be ended one way or the other. It is not covered by the 14th Amendment because of the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Many legal scholars agree.....

9:25 AM · Oct 31, 2018



Donald J. Drumpf
@realDonaldTrump
·
3h
....Harry Reid was right in 1993, before he and the Democrats went insane and started with the Open Borders (which brings massive Crime) “stuff.” Don’t forget the nasty term Anchor Babies. I will keep our Country safe. This case will be settled by the United States Supreme Court!

I don't think it will end.

[steveo777]

On a yearly basis, wages and salaries jumped 3.1 percent, the biggest increase in 10 years.

Wage increases have been the missing link in the economy since the recovery began in mid-2008. Average hourly earnings have been rising steadily but have stayed below the 3 percent level as slack has remained in the labor market.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/31/wages-a ... ecade.html

#Fakenews
#ThanksObama

[Boomchild]

I don't think it will end.

That will be up to the Supremes. That’s why T R U M P is bringing it up. He wants the Courts to weigh in.

Without discussing the subject itself, I think T r u m p made a mistake by bringing this controversial subject up right before the mid-term elections. As if the situation isn't heated and divided enough already.