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The_Noble_Cause wrote:Good piece on Avenatti. At one point, he was the darling of the media and anti-Trump haters. Like Mueller and Comey before him, he’s ended up damaging himself more than the president.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... l-avenatti
Memorex wrote:It seems like he has to dance around the obstruction piece a bit based on long standing DOJ policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted. So he is essentially saying here are some things that may or may not spell something out, but either way, it's not for us to decide to charge or even if there should be a charge. Fair enough.
The problem comes when Dems in the house want to shape anything they possibly can into an impeachable offense. So they scream look, look.
The country should be happy that there was no crime committed by Trump or his admin or his campaign in relation to any of this.
And Americans should be sick to their stomach at how far one political party would go to bring down, in quite an unfair manner, a President who was legally elected.
They should just wait their turn and try and have better policies if they want the job so bad.
Monker wrote: He could not charge the President...which he TOLD THE LAWYERS FOR THE PRESIDENT MONTHS AGO. What he COULD do is say if he were innocent of obstruction, the report would say so...and it didn't say that.
Monker wrote: Obstruction is a crime. Lying to congress, the FBI, and the special counsel jury are crimes. The American people should not believe the bullshit that you and Trumpheads spread.
Monker wrote:And, the American people should not believe this bullshit either. It has nothing to do with the election. It has to do with his conduct, his lies, his total disregard for the rule of law and making his own rules up as he goes. On foreign policy alone he should impeached for incompetence. His endless tariffs and the trade war with China may throw this country into a recession...a recession that did not need to happen but Trump lead us into it.
Monker wrote:Oh, please. He doesn't have any policies. Is the policy toward North Korea "fire and fury" or is Little Rocket Man launching his test rockets "no big deal"? Are they in love with each other or not? Is he for getting out of wars, or does he want to start then in Venezuela and Iran? The guy has no clue what he is doing or why, and it is only zombies like you who can't see it.
Andrew wrote:Dickhead tweets that Russia helped him get elected then states on the WH lawn that he got himself elected.
Andrew wrote:He can’t keep a cohesive thought together for even an hour.
Andrew wrote:Oh, and his best mate Kim Jong executed the officials involved in the last summit. That’s what real leaders do, right?
Monker wrote:Here is the full transcript of what he said...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/p ... cript.html
I think he emphasized three things. First, that the investigation was absolutely justified, that Russia did attempt to interfere with the election, that Trump encouraged and took advantage of it....and that we should all be aware of that. Second, it was not up to him or the Justice Dept. to charge Trump. And, that he has said all he wants to say about the topic. It will take a subpoena for him to testify before congress...and then he may not have much to say anyway.
Memorex wrote:So on one side of the political aisle, you have a bunch of people in an absolute frenzy to bring down a president.
verslibre wrote:Memorex wrote:So on one side of the political aisle, you have a bunch of people in an absolute frenzy to bring down a president.
Just like in '08-'16! What a coincidence!
Memorex wrote:verslibre wrote:Memorex wrote:So on one side of the political aisle, you have a bunch of people in an absolute frenzy to bring down a president.
Just like in '08-'16! What a coincidence!
Yes, and just like all the years before it. Like I said, you will always have that group. But it never defined the party until now. No there is no middle ground on the left. No leaders are saying ok, calm down people. And that is what has changed more than anything. The lunatics are now running the asylum on the left.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote: He could not charge the President...which he TOLD THE LAWYERS FOR THE PRESIDENT MONTHS AGO. What he COULD do is say if he were innocent of obstruction, the report would say so...and it didn't say that.
This is false. Of course, Mueller could charge. Ken Starr famously did not indict but clearly charged Clinton. Also, not sure where you went to law school, but prosecutors don't prove innocence.
Monker wrote: Obstruction is a crime. Lying to congress, the FBI, and the special counsel jury are crimes. The American people should not believe the bullshit that you and Trumpheads spread.
The chief law enforcers of the country, Barr and Rosenstein, disagreed.
Monker wrote:And, the American people should not believe this bullshit either. It has nothing to do with the election. It has to do with his conduct, his lies, his total disregard for the rule of law and making his own rules up as he goes. On foreign policy alone he should impeached for incompetence. His endless tariffs and the trade war with China may throw this country into a recession...a recession that did not need to happen but Trump lead us into it.
Monker wrote:Oh, please. He doesn't have any policies. Is the policy toward North Korea "fire and fury" or is Little Rocket Man launching his test rockets "no big deal"? Are they in love with each other or not? Is he for getting out of wars, or does he want to start then in Venezuela and Iran? The guy has no clue what he is doing or why, and it is only zombies like you who can't see it.
From Obama to FDR to even earlier
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:Here is the full transcript of what he said...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/p ... cript.html
I think he emphasized three things. First, that the investigation was absolutely justified, that Russia did attempt to interfere with the election, that Trump encouraged and took advantage of it....and that we should all be aware of that. Second, it was not up to him or the Justice Dept. to charge Trump. And, that he has said all he wants to say about the topic. It will take a subpoena for him to testify before congress...and then he may not have much to say anyway.
All he did is summarize his own report. If you actually read it, you would know there was nothing new and nothing w[as "emphasized" either. He did reiterate his rather strange view that a special counsel cannot charge crimes.
"No, real people who can think critically know that Mueller will look at all of this, he can get a subpena to look at ANY servers, including the ones used by DJT and Junior."
Of course, like everything else you claimed, we now know this NEVER happened.
Memorex wrote:I can create a very large list of everything the Dems have accused Trump of. Some maybe considered rational by historical standards and how they play the game, but most are highly irrational by anyone standards, except the new left. Charge after charge after charge. It's an endless stream of noise.
And that's how the left has decided to move forward during this time of Trump.
Not to mention the "investigate until we find something" attitude, as anti-American as that is.
And because sound policy is too aligned with what we already have or what Trump wants,
they abandon it all and just say fuck it, we need to give everything away for free just to get people to agree with us. No policies beyond that.
but at the very least we can all agree that Trump is moving forward with whatever he can as quickly as he can. Like them or not
So on one side of the political aisle, you have a bunch of people in an absolute frenzy to bring down a president.
Monker wrote:I am repeating what MUELLER said. He was NOT GOING TO BRING CHARGES AGAINST TRUMP. *HE* said it. He explained it. You bring up bullshit like Ken Starr but REFUSE to believe what MUELLER says about his own actions. You are so far up the ass of Donald Judas Trump that you probably get these ideas from Sean Haniity himself. It's truly ridiculous.
Monker wrote:What I was replying to was Memorex saying that the President, his administration, and the campaign committed no crimes. That is completely untrue. Your reply is completely irrelevant.
Monker wrote:Impeachment has NOTHING TO DO with what is "criminal".
Monker wrote:As I have posted here, many times, federal judges have been impeached for nothing more than being incompetent. This country is being LED INTO ECONOMIC CHAOS by an incompetent President who doesn't even understand that all tariffs do is make things more expensive in THIS country. It's not 1950...almost everything people buy has imported parts or manufactured and imported into the US, There is a reason the stock market tanks every time the trade war with China is mentioned, and now the new trade war with Mexico. It is STUPID, and yes, it angers me because this idiot President actually believes that China and Mexico pay the tarrif. He's a nut who knows nothing of what he is doing. Yeah, I thought W was dim, but Trump doesn't even have a fucking light bulb in his head...more like some hamster on a treadmill.
Monker wrote:Blah, blah, blah. He doesn't have any policies. He just makes shit up as he goes. That's the truth. YOU are the one who goes on about Venezuela and Iran and starting wars. You should know that he says one thing and does another ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
Monker wrote:He was elected as a deal maker...but he can't even get his own party to agree. He is a lame duck president in HIS FIRST TERM because he is so incompetent and unable to deal with congress.
Monker wrote:This is just simply NOT TRUE.
He went on and on about the investigation being justified, and about Russia's activities to influence the election:
As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who are part of the Russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cybertechniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks.
The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate. And at the same time, as the grand jury alleged in a separate indictment, a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation, where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to influence an election. These indictments contain allegations, and we are not commenting on the guilt or the innocence of any specific defendant. Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.
The indictments allege, and the other activities in our report describe, efforts to interfere in our political system. They needed to be investigated and understood. And that is among the reasons why the Department of Justice established our office. That is also a reason we investigated efforts to obstruct the investigation. The matters we investigated were of paramount importance. It was critical for us to obtain full and accurate information from every person we questioned. When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government’s effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable.
And, he restated it at the end:
And I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments, that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election. And that allegation deserves the attention of every American.
Monker wrote:And, like most cases like this, you pull it out of context and essentially misrepresent and lie about .
I said that in reply to the ridiculous remark, "Critical thinking Americans are asking questions about why the DNC servers were not forensically examined, why Crowdstrike changed their report findings, why the ODNI report was full of shit etc."
Hardly anybody cares about that shit. Nobody knows what Crowdstrike is or what the ODNI report is, etc. NOBODY CARES.
Monker wrote:HOWEVER, YOU are the one who went on about wanting Mueller to speak. He did...and you still disregard what he said...you prefer your made up fantasy of what you want to be instead of the reality that Mueller presented.
Andrew wrote:Oh, and his best mate Kim Jong executed the officials involved in the last summit. That’s what real leaders do, right?
AR wrote:If Monker is re.
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