Ross Valory Legally Strikes Back

[Monker]

Nightmare's filing did not happen until March of this year. So, JTT had plenty of time.

By March 2020, JTT had done what? 5 shows total? Get real. Most of Neal's time was spent on the road helping to enrich Ross and Smitty's ungrateful asses. As I already said, JTT was killed while still in the cradle. Hopefully some of the never released JTT music finds its way onto a new Journey record.

By March 2020, Journey Through Time had been a band for over two years. By March 2020, JTT was dead in the water, and everybody here knew that. The only person who killed JTT was Neal Schon and his inept ability to nurture the band, keep it together, and not try to use it to replace Journey and earning Nightmare's attention. He failed as the leader of the band. He has no business sense and is ignorant of corporate law. It's on him, and nobody else.

JTT was essentially a tribute band...I doubt very much there is any unreleased original music.

[Journey/Survivor]

Nightmare's filing did not happen until March of this year. So, JTT had plenty of time.

By March 2020, JTT had done what? 5 shows total? Get real. Most of Neal's time was spent on the road helping to enrich Ross and Smitty's ungrateful asses. As I already said, JTT was killed while still in the cradle. Hopefully some of the never released JTT music finds its way onto a new Journey record.

By March 2020, Journey Through Time had been a band for over two years. By March 2020, JTT was dead in the water, and everybody here knew that. The only person who killed JTT was Neal Schon and his inept ability to nurture the band, keep it together, and not try to use it to replace Journey and earning Nightmare's attention. He failed as the leader of the band. He has no business sense and is ignorant of corporate law. It's on him, and nobody else.

JTT was essentially a tribute band...I doubt very much there is any unreleased original music.

At one time someone from JTT (probably Schon, I would imagine) did say that they had written some new songs and were going to record them. I have no idea if they actually did record them or not?

Assuming that Cain and Schon can write enough new songs for a full album, I would rather see/hear the JTT songs see the light of day in some other way, in addition to a full length Journey album.

[The_Noble_Cause]

By March 2020, Journey Through Time had been a band for over two years.

They only had one mini tour. Most of Schon's time was dedicated to the other Journey.

By March 2020, JTT was dead in the water, and everybody here knew that.

Yes, when it suddenly came to a halt, I assumed there were behind-the-scenes legal machinations at work. The plan was to tour and even release an EP.

The only person who killed JTT was Neal Schon and his inept ability to nurture the band, keep it together, and not try to use it to replace Journey and earning Nightmare's attention. He failed as the leader of the band. He has no business sense and is ignorant of corporate law. It's on him, and nobody else.

From Arrival until today, Neal has been the only Journey member continually striving to create new music. I support new music and creativity. You support greedy Nightmare shareholders. Big difference.

...I doubt very much there is any unreleased original music.

There was behind the scenes footage of Neal and Deen recording JTT music with Marti Frederickson. They posted when they had wrapped up the sessions. You're entitled to your opinion, but at least try to know what you're talking about. It's pretty apparent you're not a fan - just a troll.

[marco17]

JTT may have been good, and die-hard fans loved it, but they weren't filling sheds or arenas, so unless Neal figures out how to really get it off the ground, it's not much more than a passion project.

How would you know? JTT was killed by Ross and the rest of Nightmare before it had a chance to even get off the ground.

I know just like you know they'd fill sheds and arenas all by themselves, you don't, it's an opinion. Maybe they would have, but at this point we'll never know. The point is the masses....that pay the bills for Neal... are the summer going Dirty Dozen crowd. That's not taking anything away from JTT, but that project is geared to the diehard fans who want to hear the older, more obscure tracks. I would believe that if there was long, sustainable interest in that project, Neal would have found a way to make it happen. Plus, I can't see the others being that pissed he's off playing old Journey tracks, that for the most part are not from the commercially successful period of the band, especially if he was doing it during off peak summer touring times of the year.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I know just like you know they'd fill sheds and arenas all by themselves, you don't, it's an opinion. Maybe they would have, but at this point we'll never know. The point is the masses....that pay the bills for Neal... are the summer going Dirty Dozen crowd. That's not taking anything away from JTT, but that project is geared to the diehard fans who want to hear the older, more obscure tracks. I would believe that if there was long, sustainable interest in that project, Neal would have found a way to make it happen. Plus, I can't see the others being that pissed he's off playing old Journey tracks, that for the most part are not from the commercially successful period of the band, especially if he was doing it during off peak summer touring times of the year.

A few things...

I never said that JTT would be filling sheds and arenas by themselves. You made an assertion, not me. If Hugo and Steve Augeri can tour succesfully utilizing a Journey connection, I have no doubt that JTT could also succeed on some level.

JTT WAS also playing the famous hits not just the obscure stuff.

Four show dates is not enough time to assess the viability of any band. As far as I am aware, the first show was a sell-out.

If the other members weren't pissed off, why did they vote against Neal and Jon?

[Journey/Survivor]

I'm sure that JTT could have headlined shows in at least one thousand to two thousand seat venues! Maybe even up to five thousand seat venues as long as they were properly promoting the shows. They wouldn't have made a ton of money off of the tour, but they would have turned a profit of course. And most importantly it would have made the diehard fans happy and Neal and the rest of the JTT guys would have had fun too.

I do hope that the songs that JTT wrote do get released eventually! Maybe they could release an EP of the songs they wrote?

[Monker]

By March 2020, Journey Through Time had been a band for over two years.

They only had one mini tour. Most of Schon's time was dedicated to the other Journey.

Two years of JTT existing. Two years of Neal making JTT out to be his next best thing. Two years of Neal's propaganda and bullshit. And, out of those two years of Neal talking up JTT, you're right, all they got was one mini tour.

JTT was going nowhere and was dead by March...before all of this legal bullshit.

By March 2020, JTT was dead in the water, and everybody here knew that.

Yes, when it suddenly came to a halt, I assumed there were behind-the-scenes legal machinations at work. The plan was to tour and even release an EP.

Neal filing to incorporate JTT is what started this. He couldn't get this band a real tour or an EP so he was going to invoke "Journey" to get them there, ie: the Journey name, logos, and imagery. That is why Nightmare filed to stop it.

JTT is NOTHING. Nobody gives a shit about a fake Journey band led by Neal Schon.

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The only person who killed JTT was Neal Schon and his inept ability to nurture the band, keep it together, and not try to use it to replace Journey and earning Nightmare's attention. He failed as the leader of the band. He has no business sense and is ignorant of corporate law. It's on him, and nobody else.

From Arrival until today, Neal has been the only Journey member continually striving to create new music. I support new music and creativity. You support greedy Nightmare shareholders. Big difference.

It has nothing to do with "supporting" Nightmare. It has to do with supporting the law and common sense. You try to make things so black and white and ignore what is right in front of you. Neal thinks he IS Journey and is acting like it. He's not, he never was, and never will be.

I would support new JOURNEY music. But, a Schon/Cain band with Arnel singing is NOT Journey. That is even less "Journey" than ROR and Eclipse.

...I doubt very much there is any unreleased original music.

There was behind the scenes footage of Neal and Deen recording JTT music with Marti Frederickson. They posted when they had wrapped up the sessions. You're entitled to your opinion, but at least try to know what you're talking about. It's pretty apparent you're not a fan - just a troll.

Correct, I'm not a fan of JTT. To me, it was a side project brought forth by a jealous, power hungry, and egotistical person who can't handle the fact that he didn't control the band.

JTT was never going to go anywhere...it's just common sense.+

[Monker]

I'm sure that JTT could have headlined shows in at least one thousand to two thousand seat venues! Maybe even up to five thousand seat venues as long as they were properly promoting the shows. They wouldn't have made a ton of money off of the tour, but they would have turned a profit of course. And most importantly it would have made the diehard fans happy and Neal and the rest of the JTT guys would have had fun too.

You are giving them too much credit. They would have to convince someone like Live Nation. Then they would have to convince venues to book a fake Journey band while the real Journey still exists. I do not believe a full US tour could have ever happened.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Two years of JTT existing. Two years of Neal making JTT out to be his next best thing. Two years of Neal's propaganda and bullshit. And, out of those two years of Neal talking up JTT, you're right, all they got was one mini tour. JTT was going nowhere and was dead by March...before all of this legal bullshit.

You weren’t even aware that JTT has recorded new music. You are not informed and should stop pretending.

Neal filing to incorporate JTT is what started this. He couldn't get this band a real tour or an EP so he was going to invoke "Journey" to get them there, ie: the Journey name, logos, and imagery. That is why Nightmare filed to stop it.

JTT is NOTHING. Nobody gives a shit about a fake Journey band led by Neal Schon.

Nightmare opposed Neal trademarking the name “NEAL SCHON JOURNEY THROUGH TIME” back in 2019. Why? Ross’s lawsuit says it’s partially because Neal is synonymous with Journey. It’s a ridiculous legal argument actually. Nobody claimed that Neal was going to use the logos and imagery. You are either a liar or, again, just uninformed.


"On or about January 15, 2019 Cross-Defendant Neal Schon unilaterally filed with the United
States Patent and Trademark Office a proposed mark (Application Serial No. 88/250,911) consisting
of the words: “Neal Schon Journey Through Time”. [Ex. 6] On or about November 5, 2019 counsel
for Nightmare Productions, Inc. (Mr. Daniel J. Schacht of Donahue Fitzgerald LLP) received Notice
from the United States Patent and Trademark Office of the application by Neal Schon of the
Trademark application filed by Neal Schon. Upon information and belief, Mr. Schacht (after
receiving the aforementioned Notice) contacted shareholders of Nightmare Productions, Inc. and
later informed Neal Schon’s counsel that Nightmare Productions, Inc. would have to oppose Neal
Schon’s Trademark application and that Mr. Schacht, as counsel for Nightmare Productions, Inc."

Neal thinks he IS Journey and is acting like it. He's not, he never was, and never will be.

You seem confused. Cain and Schon fired the rhythm section. Not just Neal.

I would support new JOURNEY music. But, a Schon/Cain band with Arnel singing is NOT Journey. That is even less "Journey" than ROR and Eclipse.

Cain/Schon wrote everything. Neal was laying down the bass on the demos anyway. In terms of songwriting, nothing has changed. In terms of live performance, Smitty was gone for most of the post-SP era anyway.

Correct, I'm not a fan of JTT. To me, it was a side project brought forth by a jealous, power hungry, and egotistical person who can't handle the fact that he didn't control the band.

If you don’t support JTT, then you support playing only the dirty dozen, no new music, and fleecing the fans. With Smitty and Ross, Journey was clearly on life support. Good riddance.