Stupid tape gate discussion

[The_Noble_Cause]

Even then, ENTIRE shows were not lipped.

Ok let's not exaggerate. He DID sing Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' & a bit here & there of other songs. It wasn't an ENTIRE show.

True.
But the cumulative amount was so sparse that it's practically negligible.
And I'm not just saying that to piss on the man.
For example, the 2004 tour featured tape use, but also enough real singing for Augeri to earn his keep.

[conversationpc]

Allen, you came in here and immediately attacked Journey. We'll see where you go from here.

OHhhhh, I see. When you say "attack" you really mean "criticize".... that's right, The NeoCon Zero Tolerance Behavior Guide doesn't allow for any nuance.

I guess it's OK for you to jump on my shit first post, though ??? Sure thing , Mr. Kettle..... Fucking hypocrite.....

Well, well, well. I had been wondering recently what you were up to. I can't say we always got along very well on The Cooler but I definitely missed your interesting take on things. Doesn't look like that's changed very much.

[fred_journeyman]

Well, well, well. I had been wondering recently what you were up to. I can't say we always got along very well on The Cooler but I definitely missed your interesting take on things. Doesn't look like that's changed very much.

I for one, am glad to see Allen. The dynamics of the board will certainly change for as long as Allen cares to stick around, and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Here's a guy who spent years behind the scenes with Journey. I'll take his word over most here, or anywhere for that matter.

[AlienC]

Well, well, well. I had been wondering recently what you were up to. I can't say we always got along very well on The Cooler but I definitely missed your interesting take on things. Doesn't look like that's changed very much.

I for one, am glad to see Allen. The dynamics of the board will certainly change for as long as Allen cares to stick around, and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Here's a guy who spent years behind the scenes with Journey. I'll take his word over most here, or anywhere for that matter.

Well Thanks, Fred. I am only here because of my interest in how this "Tape-Gate" thing is playing out, now that some time has passed and Steve's replacement is looking more permanent.

I only added my input to the thread to say those frustrations y'all are discussining are the same ones that sent me hurtling over the edge in the first place. We (Cat CJ & I) really tried to get some "movement" going, but smaller minds prevailed and apparently still run the place.
Just think Fred, we could've done some serious business, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooo. sorry..
We were lucky to hang onto the BT discussion forums AT ALL. In hindsight, I would have cut them looose and concentrated on the store and the swag that is, after all, what it's all about. Benjamins , Baby......


But we're talking about "me" again and this conversation is about Tape Gate and the Spin........
Is There a PR plan to withdraw from TapeGate.....
or.....

TapeGate:it's causes and effects, and it's ramifications on the socio - political climate of JOURNEYWORLD inc.

There was an interesting discussion on YOUTUBE and copyright law today on NPR. The way they portrayed the music and video industry's approach to YOUTUBE and the Internet in general was approporiate to this discussion. To wit, they dip their toe in the water and then run away, complaining of too rough, no control, blah blah...
I can say that is exactly the conversation that occurred and most likely still does, given the nature of those involved.

[Jeremey]

There was an interesting discussion on YOUTUBE and copyright law today on NPR. The way they portrayed the music and video industry's approach to YOUTUBE and the Internet in general was approporiate to this discussion. To wit, they dip their toe in the water and then run away, complaining of too rough, no control, blah blah...
I can say that is exactly the conversation that occurred and most likely still does, given the nature of those involved.

Hey Allen!

My bet is that it's all about control...It's a different generation's mindset, an old-school rock thing, where total artistic control determined what the public was given. Take the Arrival leak on Napster, for example. To an old-school mindset, I imagine that fiasco sending Journey back to the copper age.

[fred_journeyman]

Well Thanks, Fred. I am only here because of my interest in how this "Tape-Gate" thing is playing out, now that some time has passed and Steve's replacement is looking more permanent.

Yeah, it's interesting and there's still "play" left in it before it comes to its "logical" end.

I only added my input to the thread to say those frustrations y'all are discussining are the same ones that sent me hurtling over the edge in the first place. We (Cat CJ & I) really tried to get some "movement" going, but smaller minds prevailed and apparently still run the place.

Fortunately, we're not on the payroll, eh?

Just think Fred, we could've done some serious business, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooo. sorry..

That's life, huh? I DO notice they eventually came out with one of your ideas that you mentioned to me on the phone though!

:roll: We were lucky to hang onto the BT discussion forums AT ALL. In hindsight, I would have cut them looose and concentrated on the store and the swag that is, after all, what it's all about. Benjamins , Baby......

I'm sure BT is still a pain in their rear end.

But we're talking about "me" again and this conversation is about Tape Gate and the Spin........

We're all waiting for the upcoming interview to be printed, so we're chatting while we twiddle our thumbs anyway...

TapeGate:it's causes and effects, and it's ramifications on the socio - political climate of JOURNEYWORLD inc.

Wow, I'm seeing spotlights...a movie marquee...the trades...Redford and Hoffman!

There was an interesting discussion on YOUTUBE and copyright law today on NPR. The way they portrayed the music and video industry's approach to YOUTUBE and the Internet in general was approporiate to this discussion. To wit, they dip their toe in the water and then run away, complaining of too rough, no control, blah blah...
I can say that is exactly the conversation that occurred and most likely still does, given the nature of those involved.

Can't have both worlds though. I like the "maverick" nature of Youtube.com and other places. I'm really tired of the corporate execs controlling what the masses see and hear and places like Youtube give up and comers a way to get their ideas out there with little cost.

[Crazie Scarab]

Allen, you came in here and immediately attacked Journey. We'll see where you go from here.

OHhhhh, I see. When you say "attack" you really mean "criticize".... that's right, The NeoCon Zero Tolerance Behavior Guide doesn't allow for any nuance.

I guess it's OK for you to jump on my shit first post, though ??? Sure thing , Mr. Kettle..... Fucking hypocrite.....

I'll tell you what, Allen. Since there was a time when I appreciated you greatly, I'm going to give some other things that happened in the past a complete pass starting right now.

I apologize for getting on your ass as soon as I realized you were here. I shouldn't have done that & I was wrong in doing so. And, since there was a time when I fully appreciated you, I'm willing to give it a second go-around. Maybe things will be different this time. I hope things will be different this time. I write this with all sincerity & I, too hope you stick around as you are a very knowledgeable person regarding Journey.

Are you willing to give it a second chance, Allen?

[AlienC]

There was an interesting discussion on YOUTUBE and copyright law today on NPR. The way they portrayed the music and video industry's approach to YOUTUBE and the Internet in general was approporiate to this discussion. To wit, they dip their toe in the water and then run away, complaining of too rough, no control, blah blah...
I can say that is exactly the conversation that occurred and most likely still does, given the nature of those involved.

Hey Allen!

My bet is that it's all about control...It's a different generation's mindset, an old-school rock thing, where total artistic control determined what the public was given. Take the Arrival leak on Napster, for example. To an old-school mindset, I imagine that fiasco sending Journey back to the copper age.

aaaak Arrival......Nap.... Napsteack..... napSTERRRRrrrrrrlllll........


Just the thought of that fiasco makes me drool and twitch involuntarily, inspite of the drugs and shock treatments....

Smart money sez SONY did it to cut the legs out from under the guy's and weaken their negotiating position.
They were handcuffed to the band for at least that record, and if it had succeeded, they would have had one more to pay off on. And be proved wrong about the need for Perry....

Corporate Master cannot lose face and you still live.

[fred_journeyman]

Smart money sez SONY did it to cut the legs out from under the guy's and weaken their negotiating position. They were handcuffed to the band for at least that record, and if it had succeeded, they would have had one more to pay off on. And be proved wrong about the need for Perry....Corporate Master cannot lose face and you still live.

That would explain why Sony pretty much dropped the ball on any type of PR at all regarding the record. The label can make OR break a band or an artist.

[AlienC]

...All they "want" is your money for swag, back catalog and re-issues. As long as Perry, et al gets paid, it's all good. No one in the band or manglement really wants to deal with the fans feelings for more than the time required for a meet and greet, or process your JourneySwag order. Face it, it's a job for these guys at a time in their lives when they should be cashing in retirement accounts, not funding them.

Wow, get ready to be pounced on.

Manglement???? Is that a freudian slip?

No it is not.

[fred_journeyman]

Hey Allen, regarding the Hunter S. Thompson quote in your sig...tell us how you really feel! Don't hold back, man.

Lincoln Brewster said pretty much the same thing about the music industry. He's mainly doing Christian music now, and it isn't that far removed...sadly. It's all about money.