has the window of opportunity closed on journey?

by **7 Wishes** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:25 am

"Relentless" is the greatest Dave song, with or without VH, this side of "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love".

by **Matthew** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:29 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
mikemarrs wrote:has the window of opportunity closed on journey?

is it too late at this point in time to make a huge splash and millions in revenue if they reform with steve perry?

If you look at Van Halen now, rumored to be doing amphitheaters and possibly some arenas with DLR back then yes it seems too late to make that kind of splash.

7 years ago VH rumors had them headlining stadiums.

But Genesis are still headlining stadiums....

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:40 am

Not here...genesis is an arena level tour in the US.

Agree, though the perception is that the Genesis thing is more monsterous than VH.

by **Socratic Methodist** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:44 am

The only way Genesis would be more monsterous than VH is if Gabriel was singing, plus.....you'd have to invite all the stalker Brits to the show.....lol

by **conversationpc** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:46 am

Socratic Methodist wrote:The only way Genesis would be more monsterous than VH is if Gabriel was singing, plus.....you'd have to invite all the stalker Brits to the show.....lol

I'm not much interested in seeing them without Gabriel.

by **Matthew** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:08 am

conversationpc wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:The only way Genesis would be more monsterous than VH is if Gabriel was singing, plus.....you'd have to invite all the stalker Brits to the show.....lol

I'm not much interested in seeing them without Gabriel.

It's worth it for the double-drum solo alone....

by **Matthew** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:10 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Not here...genesis is an arena level tour in the US.

Agree, though the perception is that the Genesis thing is more monsterous than VH.

Really? It took them only an hour or two to sell out the biggest stadiums over here... packing in 70-100,000 people a night...

What's the average crowd on a US arena tour?

by **Socratic Methodist** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:12 am

Matthew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:The only way Genesis would be more monsterous than VH is if Gabriel was singing, plus.....you'd have to invite all the stalker Brits to the show.....lol

I'm not much interested in seeing them without Gabriel.

It's worth it for the double-drum solo alone....

They do Los Endos now, even without Gabriel....Chester and Phil are masters. Peter never thrilled me. He was too interested in dressing up like flowers, huge bulbous things, and foxes....Genesis started, for me, in '76. Phil was much like SP - taking a band going NOWHERE, and taking them somewhere....But, I guess the Brits would've liked Genesis to stay the underground, cult band that they were. Go figure. They blast Phil, but at least they are still around.

by **Matthew** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:15 am

Socratic Methodist wrote:
Matthew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:The only way Genesis would be more monsterous than VH is if Gabriel was singing, plus.....you'd have to invite all the stalker Brits to the show.....lol

I'm not much interested in seeing them without Gabriel.

It's worth it for the double-drum solo alone....

They do Los Endos now, even without Gabriel....Chester and Phil are masters. Peter never thrilled me. He was too interested in dressing up like flowers, huge bulbous things, and foxes....Genesis started, for me, in '76. Phil was much like SP - taking a band going NOWHERE, and taking them somewhere....But, I guess the Brits would've liked Genesis to stay the underground, cult band that they were. Go figure. They blast Phil, but at least they are still around.

Some Brits would, SM. But I much prefer the Collins era myself and so do most fans....

I did love the 1999 Collins/Gabriel version of Carpet Crawlers though...that got me briefly excited about the possibilities of a full reunion....

by **NoMoreTails** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:21 am

Matthew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:The only way Genesis would be more monsterous than VH is if Gabriel was singing, plus.....you'd have to invite all the stalker Brits to the show.....lol

I'm not much interested in seeing them without Gabriel.

It's worth it for the double-drum solo alone....

A dual drum solo on the Godsmack live dvd is incredible, not much of a fan but a friend showed me part of the dvd. Drum solo was the best thing I saw/heard.

by **ArnelRox** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:26 am

Socratic Methodist wrote:Phil was much like SP - taking a band going NOWHERE, and taking them somewhere....

Little different. Peter Gabriel made some MAJOR contributions to the band. That's one band where I like the different eras of both of those singers. I was kind of hoping for that w/Jeff in Journey. But oh well ...

by **chf34jmac** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:30 am

Lots of parallels between Gabriel Genesis and Journey and with Perry. Gabriel was more like the Journey pre Perry. Progressive sound different styles. Collins came into the picture just like Perry and took their respective bands into the mainstream eye.

by **conversationpc** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:32 am

chf34jmac wrote:Lots of parallels between Gabriel Genesis and Journey and with Perry. Gabriel was more like the Journey pre Perry. Progressive sound different styles. Collins came into the picture just like Perry and took their respective bands into the mainstream eye.

Genesis stayed in the progressive genre for several albums, though, after Gabriel left the band.

by **chf34jmac** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:34 am

I realize that Dave. You got my point though.

by **conversationpc** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:35 am

chf34jmac wrote:I realize that Dave. You got my point though.

OK

by **Concert Queen** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:14 am

Yep they just fucked them selves and haven't even figured it out yet!

by **Matthew** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:19 am

Concert Queen wrote:Yep they just fucked them selves and haven't even figured it out yet!

Wow...Tommy Shaw really is a little chap, isn't he?

by **ArnelRox** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:58 am

Matthew wrote:
Concert Queen wrote:Yep they just fucked them selves and haven't even figured it out yet!

Wow...Tommy Shaw really is a little chap, isn't he?

In his case, good goods come in small packages. He still looks fucking awesome for his age. I'd do him in a heartbeat. That hair, oh that hair. He doesn't look girlish like Friga either.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:07 am

No doubt Shaw can rip the axe and sing his ass off.

But Cain is jacked and would put TommyPint through the floor.

by **mikemarrs** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:55 am

i saw styx when they toured for edge of the century in either 1990 or 1991.damn it i missed tommy shaw because he was with damn yankees then and not styx.tommy shaw gave styx a lot of the hardness.deyoung would have the band singing all ballads if he could.i like dennis but maybe its better that he isn't in styx.i think tommy shaw brings a lot more to styx than dennis deyoung.

by **RedWingFan** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:56 am

mikemarrs wrote:i saw styx when they toured for edge of the century in either 1990 or 1991.damn it i missed tommy shaw because he was with damn yankees then and not styx.tommy shaw gave styx a lot of the hardness.deyoung would have the band singing all ballads if he could.i like dennis but maybe its better that he isn't in styx.i think tommy shaw brings a lot more to styx than dennis deyoung.

Dude, Where were you in '96 and '97 when they got back together and toured? Great show.

by **mikemarrs** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:08 pm

unfortunately the only shows i got to see in that time period was the kiss reunion tour.i had a real bad cocaine problem back then that really had me wiped out for a few years.i regret not being able to see styx then.i know they released a real good live album of the tour i think it was return to paradise.

by **squirt1** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:29 pm

I thought this over again. Journey is like a bouncing ball . It had no bounce till '78 to '83. Then again in ' 86. Puff,and not again until '96, and then puff till 2006 and that was very abrupt . Now ,God will have to intervine to stop the destruction.

by **ArnelRox** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:01 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:No doubt Shaw can rip the axe and sing his ass off.

But Cain is jacked and would put TommyPint through the floor.

Not sure about that. Tommy's got some muscles on him.

by **ArnelRox** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:02 pm

mikemarrs wrote:i had a real bad cocaine problem back then that really had me wiped out for a few years.

Ah, is that what happened to ur brains? (JUST KIDDDING) :-)

by **mikemarrs** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:23 pm

yeah that and i had a lobotomy. :shock:

lol.yeah i regret it.partying got out of hand......

by **Aaron** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:31 pm

I don't think it's too late yet but it's getting very close. A Perry fronted Journey could get out and do something. I also believe that a Chalfant/Hugo/Jeremey fronted Journey could get out and also do well with good new material. I think they all three have good writing skills albeit KC and Hugo have longer track records in writing.

It's pretty sad that Journey doesn't get off their asses and capitalize on The Soprano's last episode hype. The exposure with The Soprano's could have given them real exposure if a new CD was ready to go that was good material. Those type of opportunities don't come around often. If Journey were smart, they'd be cutting a CD now to get out in the market to ride the exposure from The Surpanos. If the shit was good, they could have a chance. The door of opportunity is closing pretty fast.

mikemarrs wrote:has the window of opportunity closed on journey?

is it too late at this point in time to make a huge splash and millions in revenue if they reform with steve perry?

or is it one of those instances where time has passed them by and attendance would be spotty in certain places?

if they did would steve perry be up to the task of doing the songs justice?

by **Little Lenny** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:26 pm

Ms_M wrote:
Little Lenny wrote:I think the term 'Faux Pas' rounds it up quite nicely

So much more polite than what I was thinking...

why thank you very kindly..although they weren't the exact words in my head!! :wink:

MR

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