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Postby ddregs » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:13 pm

finalfight wrote:I might well be in the minority but I preferred the sound of Perry's voice from Raised on Radio onward, particulary on the For The Love of Strange Medicine record. There is some outstanding vocal work, energy and emotion on that record. Literally a vocal masterclass.

Opinions can't be criticized. To each one his own.
I admit I was very proud of buying my original TBF cd, I was selling it out to my friends saying "Journey's back and they're on top of charts in US!", and when I recorded it on tape for one of my best friends, huge Sting fan and quite a Steve Perry fan, (He was used to "classic" Journey and Perry solo on Street Talk , he never heard FTLOSM) he went on saying "I like it, but Perry struggles too much, he lost it"
That was his comment. I realized he was partially right. The transport, the emotion, every other thing was still there. But not his voice. When a song had to take off and fly , what he did back then , he couldn't do it anymore. The song stayed there. Take the rockers, Can't Tame the lion and the bonus track for Japan. When you expect him to take it higher, he stays down.
I don't want to raise a fight over his singing ability, he has been the best and is still one of the best voices, but he didn't commit to the fans what the fans wanted. He left us here wanting for more and that's the reason we are all here writing , sadly, because of no records from Mr. Wonderful voice.
He'll be back? I hope. I'm only glad he won't be back with Journey anymore, because if he never felt part of the band he might as well be a solo artist (and by looking at his solo career I don't see an incredible one)
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Postby Matthew » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:27 pm

ddregs wrote: I'm only glad he won't be back with Journey anymore, because if he never felt part of the band he might as well be a solo artist (and by looking at his solo career I don't see an incredible one)



Come on, drgegs. Perry was an obsessively committed and inspirational member of the band for many years. Forget that interview...just look at the awesome contribution he made between 1978 and 1996. How anyone can feel "glad" that he isn't in Journey is beyond me.
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Postby ddregs » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:43 pm

Matthew wrote:
ddregs wrote: I'm only glad he won't be back with Journey anymore, because if he never felt part of the band he might as well be a solo artist (and by looking at his solo career I don't see an incredible one)



Come on, drgegs. Perry was an obsessively committed and inspirational member of the band for many years. Forget that interview...just look at the awesome contribution he made between 1978 and 1996. How anyone can feel "glad" that he isn't in Journey is beyond me.


Well, Matthe (btw great avatar), as I explained in another thread, I'm not a huge fan of ROR nor TBF. Anyway, his contributions were between 1978-1986 and then back for 1 year in 1996, that's about 9 years out of 30 in a band and still we're talking about Perry as the real and only founding member and the only reason for Journey success.
What has he done in the remaining 21 years ? He's released 2 solo records and a greatest hits (which, btw, was more a release of leftovers + tracks from his only succesful record, his first one). He toured for 7 months supporting his last solo record, then he sang backing vocals on some records (Crosby/Stills/Nash/Young, David Pack), he sang I stand alone for Quest for Camelot.
If this is his hard work-ethic, I'm really glad he's not with Journey anymore. Come on, how can you be happy to see your favorite band stuck without touring because a member don't want to undergo surgery? Or seeing your band disbanded in the middle of a tour because of real reasons and never getting back together? He was the main reason for taking up Journey, and let's not forget he was the real reason for taking them down and disbanding.
He did a lot of good thing and bad things to Journey in the late 30 years. This is why I think Perry back in the band would be a bad thing.
Major props to Augeri/Castronovo and Soto for singing my favorite songs today and taking Journey live again. Let's not forget one of the main reasons Journey succeeded is the constant touring in late 70s.
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Postby Matthew » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:08 pm

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ddregs wrote: I'm only glad he won't be back with Journey anymore, because if he never felt part of the band he might as well be a solo artist (and by looking at his solo career I don't see an incredible one)



Come on, drgegs. Perry was an obsessively committed and inspirational member of the band for many years. Forget that interview...just look at the awesome contribution he made between 1978 and 1996. How anyone can feel "glad" that he isn't in Journey is beyond me.


Well, Matthe (btw great avatar), as I explained in another thread, I'm not a huge fan of ROR nor TBF. Anyway, his contributions were between 1978-1986 and then back for 1 year in 1996, that's about 9 years out of 30 in a band and still we're talking about Perry as the real and only founding member and the only reason for Journey success.
What has he done in the remaining 21 years ? He's released 2 solo records and a greatest hits (which, btw, was more a release of leftovers + tracks from his only succesful record, his first one). He toured for 7 months supporting his last solo record, then he sang backing vocals on some records (Crosby/Stills/Nash/Young, David Pack), he sang I stand alone for Quest for Camelot.
If this is his hard work-ethic, I'm really glad he's not with Journey anymore. Come on, how can you be happy to see your favorite band stuck without touring because a member don't want to undergo surgery? Or seeing your band disbanded in the middle of a tour because of real reasons and never getting back together? He was the main reason for taking up Journey, and let's not forget he was the real reason for taking them down and disbanding.
He did a lot of good thing and bad things to Journey in the late 30 years. This is why I think Perry back in the band would be a bad thing.
Major props to Augeri/Castronovo and Soto for singing my favorite songs today and taking Journey live again. Let's not forget one of the main reasons Journey succeeded is the constant touring in late 70s.



I won't deny that Perry caused major problems in 1997. Although it could be argued that Journey quit at just the right time in 1987. Every one of their peers went on a huge downward curve or split up in the late 1980s/early 1990s - Styx, REO, Survivor, Foreigner, Kansas, Toto - and entire generation of AOR bands were overtaken by hair metal and grunge.

Anyway... Journey are still living off the nine years Steve Perry was recording and touring constantly. The fact that the band are STILL playing songs from ONLY that era shows just how important Perry was. To me it's no surprise that people still talk about Perry as being the key to Journey's success.

Don't get me wrong...I know Journey couldn't tour like they do now if Perry was with them. But I'd trade a thousand Perryless Journey concerts for one more album with Perry, Schon and Cain working together again.

Of course...this is easy for me to say...because Journey didn't tour in the UK since 1980 until this year...and even then they played three concerts...none of them in London. Still...I did go to see them..and to be honest I'd rather listen to a CD at home than watch Augeri perform those classic songs.

Now that JSS is in the band...I'll definitely see them again if I can....and who knows? Maybe I'll start to enjoy Journey without Perry in the band?
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Postby Just Mindy » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:59 pm

Matthew wrote:Now that JSS is in the band...I'll definitely see them again if I can....and who knows? Maybe I'll start to enjoy Journey without Perry in the band?


Trust me when I say that you WILL enjoy them 8)
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Postby NealIsGod » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:13 pm

MSR wrote:
Matthew wrote:Now that JSS is in the band...I'll definitely see them again if I can....and who knows? Maybe I'll start to enjoy Journey without Perry in the band?


Trust me when I say that you WILL enjoy them 8)


I'd better... :evil:
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Postby Just Mindy » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:16 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
MSR wrote:
Matthew wrote:Now that JSS is in the band...I'll definitely see them again if I can....and who knows? Maybe I'll start to enjoy Journey without Perry in the band?


Trust me when I say that you WILL enjoy them 8)


I'd better... :evil:


If you have any doubts, I'll take your ticket....wouldn't want you to take a chance like that.... :lol:
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Postby NealIsGod » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:32 pm

MSR wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
MSR wrote:
Matthew wrote:Now that JSS is in the band...I'll definitely see them again if I can....and who knows? Maybe I'll start to enjoy Journey without Perry in the band?


Trust me when I say that you WILL enjoy them 8)


I'd better... :evil:


If you have any doubts, I'll take your ticket....wouldn't want you to take a chance like that.... :lol:


Come get it, bee-yotch! :P
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Postby Just Mindy » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:38 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
MSR wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
MSR wrote:
Matthew wrote:Now that JSS is in the band...I'll definitely see them again if I can....and who knows? Maybe I'll start to enjoy Journey without Perry in the band?


Trust me when I say that you WILL enjoy them 8)


I'd better... :evil:


If you have any doubts, I'll take your ticket....wouldn't want you to take a chance like that.... :lol:


Come get it, bee-yotch! :P

Don't tempt me, ass :twisted:

Seriously, enjoy it! I am SURE you will :D
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Postby A Fire Inside » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:30 am

Matthew wrote:How anyone can feel "glad" that he isn't in Journey is beyond me.

I agree with ddregs... if Perry were still in Journey, there wouldn't have been a Journey since 1997. I'd bet my life on it!

And in response to your other post about character... of course Schon and Cain are sleazebags. Never said I loved more than their music, either. When I say I "like/love" Journey or Perry I am referring to their music. Their history leaves a lot to be desired... if I loved unconditionally and brushed off their gaping flaws, I would fall into the "loon" category.
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Postby Matthew » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:14 am

A Fire Inside wrote:
Matthew wrote:How anyone can feel "glad" that he isn't in Journey is beyond me.

I agree with ddregs... if Perry were still in Journey, there wouldn't have been a Journey since 1997. I'd bet my life on it!


I don't want to sound like a grouch...but for me that isn't the nightmare scenario you seem to suggest it might be. I really could have lived without the last eight years - and for me those lame albums weren't worth closing the door on Perry for. For Neal and Jonathan - and for many people here - it probably was though...
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