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Rate the Journey performance

a) Awesome, The best performance ever
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1%
b) Better than Bruce
11
8%
c) Overall good , but they couldve done MUCH better.
60
41%
d) They shouldve prepared better
40
28%
e) Aweful. Time to retire.
29
20%
f) Journey? Theyre still around?
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3%
 
Total votes : 145

Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:38 am

The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.
'Nothing was bigger for Journey than 1981’s “Escape” album. “I have to attribute that to Jonathan coming in and joining the writing team,” Steve Perry (Feb 2012).'
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Postby Behshad » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:38 am

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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:39 am

Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

This picture confirms the answer, YES HE IS !

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Andrew needs to devise a means to link votes to posters so we can see who the fuck voted for that.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:41 am

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But to find out he did 2 gigs in 3 days before this event, I felt was pretty reckless, even if they were scheduled before the show. Super Bowl takes precedence over anything, anytime. Even if he did the show on Friday and not Saturday, a cross country flight shuffling through airports the day before the show may well have been just as bad as singing. To spend 8 hours dehydrating in a plane before performing for nearly 100 million people just doesn't make sense....


Thank you for validating my point. Pineda is selfish and irresponsible in this. When they booked the SB, he should have resceduled his charity shows. If that wasn't possible, which anything is possible except changing the date of the biggest show on television, Pineda should have written a check out or better yet, Journey Mgt should have written a check out. The money spent could have been repaid back by Pineda in increments from their upcoming tour and also, the exposure, when it is favourable, is worth millions and millions when doing a show with the Super Bowl. Anyone know if Journey was paid for their gig? I say this seriously, as Bruce was paid zilch, nata, zero. He will make so much fucking cash just by being on the show and performing well. Can you imagine if he came in late and sounded as bad as Pineda? His career would take a serious hit.

RE Journey's management, I believe they are 100% handled by John Baruck now. I don't believe Tom Consolo even works for Azoff Management right now. But yes, the interest is not in promoting the career, which is partly the culture at Azoff Management - they don't have to break new acts, they just essentially broker mega-deals for acts already in their prime. The relationship between Azoff Management and Journey is basically - You do whatever you want, we'll field and develop any interest RE your catalog (and deal with Mr P in the process) and we'll collect our several million dollars a year commissions. I don't know if anyone really thought out the consequences of not making sure AP was in Florida several days before the show.


Yeah I know Baruck handles them, but I was talking in general for the common fan. Cosolo is I believe with REO(I could be wrong). You are correct though, as Mgt is hands off and is nothing more than a scheduler and booking agent.
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Postby Behshad » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:42 am

Gideon wrote:
Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

This picture confirms the answer, YES HE IS !

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Andrew needs to devise a means to link votes to posters so we can see who the fuck voted for that.


Cant you read, boy?


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Postby Rocker Chic » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:42 am

Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

This picture confirms the answer, YES HE IS !


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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:43 am

Behshad wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

This picture confirms the answer, YES HE IS !

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Andrew needs to devise a means to link votes to posters so we can see who the fuck voted for that.


Cant you read, boy?


N E A L


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Postby Rhiannon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:44 am

Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:44 am

Gideon wrote:
Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

This picture confirms the answer, YES HE IS !

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Andrew needs to devise a means to link votes to posters so we can see who the fuck voted for that.


My guess is either Rip Rokken, or some Pinoy soldier, and more importantly to me, who were the 4 dumbfucks who voted Journey better than Springsteen. My guess would be Fact Finder, St John :wink: , ewhmatt and Brywool. All haters.
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Postby mdaemon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:47 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

This picture confirms the answer, YES HE IS !

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Andrew needs to devise a means to link votes to posters so we can see who the fuck voted for that.


My guess is either Rip Rokken, or some Pinoy soldier, and more importantly to me, who were the 4 dumbfucks who voted Journey better than Springsteen. My guess would be Fact Finder, St John :wink: , ewhmatt and Brywool. All haters.


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Postby Don » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:56 am

Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.
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Postby Blueskies » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:57 am

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Blueskies wrote:I'm not about to say Perry never had any off performances because I havent heard every performance he ever made and I'm sure he did have some on occasion with their heavy tour schedule..that would be expected....


Correct. Perry was among the best ever, but he was hardly infallible. The current state of his voice is resounding proof that the 'vocal god' is, actually, a mere mortal.

but come on dude..the use of that clip as an example does nothing at all to prove your case because that occasion was not a performance and I can't believe your trying to make it out as one.


Perry was singing on national television in front of a considerable crowd. It was a performance by strict definition.

That was a very impromto sing along at best and I'm positive it wasn't planned out in advance....someone just decided to call him up to the mic.


He could have said "no."

He was having fun with the team and had been screaming that day as a baseball fan and had not sang at all in a very long time...so you are not going to prove a point with that clip...you'll have to find another example. :wink: :)


I'm not saying he couldn't have done better, but I'm traditionally not one for lame excuses. Arnel reportedly had a cold and just got back from a solo performance the night before. Does that mitigate his lackluster attempt at the Superbowl? No.

The claim was that Perry wouldn't have fucked up as badly. He did.


1.) You do not know the current state of his voice since NO ONE here has heard him sing lately except Lora & Cindi so you have no "proof".
2.) As I said, there is no way that can be defined as a "professional performance". It was not a planned gig where he was to perform onstagde like Journey yesterday. It can only be defined as an impromto sing a long of a baseball fan accompanied by baseball team members for fun and celebration. Yes, he had been a professional singer in the past but he was not at the time of this event....he was a RETIRED singer...one who had not sung in a long time and was having fun as a baseball fan. To call it a performance would then by your definition of one be calling the baseball players singing along as performers as well. If a bunch of guys get together in a bar in celebration and were having a good time and started singing would that be truly defined as a performance? and lets say the bar was packed with people who you can then define as an audience...this was similar to that. Awww, heck...lets get even more defining...your right...every time I sing in the shower I am performing even if it's only my dog outside the bathroom door for an audience. :lol: BUT it is not a a similar performance by any stretch of the imagination.

Come on dude...to make a comparison between a Perry performance of the song and Arnel performance of it yesterday you have to bring a similar performance as evidence of your argument...one where he too was scheduled as a professional singer to perform on a stage with a band before a live audience. This video in no way does that...thats all I'm saying...find one that has all the same characteristics for a true comparison. 8)
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:58 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

This picture confirms the answer, YES HE IS !

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Andrew needs to devise a means to link votes to posters so we can see who the fuck voted for that.


My guess is either Rip Rokken, or some Pinoy soldier, and more importantly to me, who were the 4 dumbfucks who voted Journey better than Springsteen. My guess would be Fact Finder, St John :wink: , ewhmatt and Brywool. All haters.


Sorry dipshit, I don't vote in these polls.

Are you honestly stupid enough to believe I hate Bruce? If you want, I'll take a screen cap of the Bruce shit I have on my external HD right now. Believe it or not, someone's politics don't determine the worthiness of their music, athletic abilities, writing abilities, or whatever else for me. Tough for someone like you to believe, I know.
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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:03 am

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Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:05 am

Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:
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Postby Behshad » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:07 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Behshad wrote:And to answer the question asked by many of you " Is Neal a member here at MR?"

This picture confirms the answer, YES HE IS !

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Andrew needs to devise a means to link votes to posters so we can see who the fuck voted for that.


My guess is either Rip Rokken, or some Pinoy soldier, and more importantly to me, who were the 4 dumbfucks who voted Journey better than Springsteen. My guess would be Fact Finder, St John :wink: , ewhmatt and Brywool. All haters.


Sorry dipshit, I don't vote in these polls.

Are you honestly stupid enough to believe I hate Bruce? If you want, I'll take a screen cap of the Bruce shit I have on my external HD right now. Believe it or not, someone's politics don't determine the worthiness of their music, athletic abilities, writing abilities, or whatever else for me. Tough for someone like you to believe, I know.


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Postby Rocker Chic » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:09 am

Rockindeano wrote:My guess is either Rip Rokken, or some Pinoy soldier, and more importantly to me, who were the 4 dumbfucks who voted Journey better than Springsteen. My guess would be Fact Finder, St John :wink: , ewhmatt and Brywool. All haters.


I'm not a fan of Springsteen's (don't hurt me, Dean! :shock: ), but even *I* can realize that his performance was exponentially better than Journey's. They should have performed at the same caliber, given their decades in the business, but Journey missed the ball (pun intended). :roll:

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Postby Don » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:10 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:


Who did the best impersonation of Damian from "The Omen" ?
No contest, Arnel smokes Perry when it comes to rolling the old eyeballs to the back of the skull trick.
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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:11 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:


You, ma'am, should consider a career in stand up comedy. :lol:

But I do have a suspicion that Blueskies will say the same thing.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:13 am

Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:


You, ma'am, should consider a career in stand up comedy. :lol:

But I do have a suspicion that Blueskies will say the same thing.


Thank you.....for you!!! :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gft5-6klkMA
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:13 am

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do it !do it! do it !do it ! :lol: and while youre at it , do a screen cap of all your porn :twisted:


Haha. I deleted all my porn once I realized dump.com was a click away. Not worth taking 30 gigs of music space :lol:

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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:14 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:


You, ma'am, should consider a career in stand up comedy. :lol:

But I do have a suspicion that Blueskies will say the same thing.


Thank you.....for you!!! :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gft5-6klkMA


Well, golly gee, that sure was disrespectful.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:15 am

Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:


You, ma'am, should consider a career in stand up comedy. :lol:

But I do have a suspicion that Blueskies will say the same thing.


Thank you.....for you!!! :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gft5-6klkMA


Well, golly gee, that sure was disrespectful.

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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:17 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:


You, ma'am, should consider a career in stand up comedy. :lol:

But I do have a suspicion that Blueskies will say the same thing.


Thank you.....for you!!! :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gft5-6klkMA


Well, golly gee, that sure was disrespectful.

:cry:


I'm a good sport, though. I have no problem being villified or loathed around here. But we're going to have to work on those double standards; don't whine about me being disrespectful again, okay? Because sending a video to a song called "fuck you" seems to be a lot more rude than calling someone's remark "thoughtless."

:wink: :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:19 am

Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:


You, ma'am, should consider a career in stand up comedy. :lol:

But I do have a suspicion that Blueskies will say the same thing.


Thank you.....for you!!! :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gft5-6klkMA


Well, golly gee, that sure was disrespectful.

:cry:


I'm a good sport, though. I have no problem being villified or loathed around here. But we're going to have to work on those double standards; don't whine about me being disrespectful again, okay? Because sending a video to a song called "fuck you" seems to be a lot more rude than calling someone's remark "thoughtless."

:wink: :lol:


Review that again and get back with me, I may be able to meet you half way!!! :wink:
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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:22 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Gideon wrote:The White Sox media cloud was what started the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believin'" -- please don't make it seem as though it was something recent or that it was anywhere near its atmosphere-piercing levels of superstardom. He was promoting that song just as much (if not more) than Journey using the SuperBowl to promote Revelation.

There's no way to defend Perry's lackluster performance. He was hoarse? Arnel had a cold. It was impromptu? He could have said no. He wasn't promoting anything? He was, de facto.

Excuses don't mitigate how poorly Arnel and Perry performed relative to their better moments.


The movie's Monster and the Wedding Singer restarted the DSB resurgence, but you can believe what you want, your memories of what was going on in 2003 may be different than mine.


DSB was hardly topping the charts in the fucking Wedding Singer. I'll retract my statement that it "started" the resurgence of DSB, you've got me there, but it certainly brought it to a greater cultural awareness than the Wedding Singer and, arguably, Monster. You're making it out to be that Perry's appearance at the games and the White Sox making DSB their theme song offered nothing to the awareness of the song.

That simply isn't the case. At all.

Edit: BS, just for kicks, compare the quality of performances. Who did better: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?

Without a band backing him up....Perry :wink:


You, ma'am, should consider a career in stand up comedy. :lol:

But I do have a suspicion that Blueskies will say the same thing.


Thank you.....for you!!! :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gft5-6klkMA


Well, golly gee, that sure was disrespectful.

:cry:


I'm a good sport, though. I have no problem being villified or loathed around here. But we're going to have to work on those double standards; don't whine about me being disrespectful again, okay? Because sending a video to a song called "fuck you" seems to be a lot more rude than calling someone's remark "thoughtless."

:wink: :lol:


Review that again and get back with me, I may be able to meet you half way!!! :wink:


I did. She dismissed four members' contributions, I refuted it, made no personal attacks. Not the case for you. Like I said, I'll put up with the whole gamut: friendly mocking to full blown hatred. Doesn't really matter. What really irks me, though, are double standards. You complained about me being "disrespectful" and then pull this stunt?

That doesn't fly. I'm not even asking for an apology; you just don't need to complain again.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:23 am

Gideon wrote:

That doesn't fly. I'm not even asking for an apology; you just don't need to complain again.


You won't get one and sounds reasonable..... :wink:
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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:25 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:

That doesn't fly. I'm not even asking for an apology; you just don't need to complain again.


You won't get one and Sounds reasonable..... :wink:


Yes, I'm the very definition of reasonable. Thanks for understanding. :lol:
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Postby Blueskies » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:28 am

Ummm..I hate to interrupt but I think you missed my response to you above where I believe I settled the debate Gideon. :lol: So bring on a new piece of evidence of Perry singing DSB as comparison..one that is more correctly similar on a stage as a professional with a band before an audience..thanks. :wink: 8)
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Postby Gideon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:30 am

Blueskies wrote:Ummm..I hate to interrupt but I think you missed my response to you above where I believe I settled the debate Gideon. :lol: So bring on a new piece of evidence of Perry singing DSB as comparison..one that is more correctly similar on a stage as a professional with a band before an audience..thanks. :wink: 8)


I responded with a question. It's basically to see whether or not you're a Perry apologist or if you truly believe that the two performances aren't comparable. Who do you think gave the better vocal: Perry at the White Sox or Pineda at the Superbowl?
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