Journey re-recording the classics?

[Andrew]

I saw the first 5 concerts of 2006 with Steve Augeri,he was in pain and didnt enjoy them concerts.Neil didnt give a shit,and never has cared about anything but Neal. First time Arnel has a crack in his voice,or a cold, or god forbid the flu,he will be yesterdays news,of they will wip out the tapes. 30 years of being a prick ,dont mean shit to me

Neal Schon has never quit, never taken a day off and never faked a chord, riff or show in 30+ years. Furthermore, he's not part of management. You're clearly aiming your anger at the wrong target. Herbert trashed Perry's voice and Azoff trashed Augeri's. How is that Neal's fault?

Playing guitar is different then singing,guitar is always on , vocals are not,Neal and Jon {more Jon} call the shots, they fired Herbet Right??

Perry initiated Herbert's firing and they reluctantly agreed. Jon made the call I believe. Perry admitted it was a mistake I believe.

Jon and Herbie never really were good pals!

[ttango1]

This is what Arnel said in press release NUMBER 1.

“It’s so exciting to sing with one of the best bands in the world. It’ll be a lot of hard work on my part and I’m actually looking forward to the scrutiny I’ll get from the hardcore JOURNEY fans. I know they’ll expect me to sound exactly like ‘the voice’ (Steve Perry), but that will never happen. I know there's only one Steve Perry in this world.”

Hmmm....I guess the album and Vegas will tell us all we need to know eh?

[Red13JoePa]

Neal brings his axe to work every day and creates, records and tours. I think all he's ever wanted to be is a guitar player. Perry basically quit in 1983, again in 1987 and again in 1997. That's a 14 year run indecisiveness, and is completely absent of Neal Schon' involvement (to the best of my knowledge..."Gag orders" by certain individuals suppress the truth from the general public). As for Augeri, he was plucked from a 5 digit salary and given the opportunity to make MILLIONS. I doubt he regrets that "8 year tour with no break" in the least.

Indeed.
Congratulations on bucking the long-running current trend to dump a dose of truth out.

[ohsherrie]

This guy right here became a fan through Neal's guitar.

Well, this woman right here has heard that they had a fanbase of some sort before Steve joined them, but not enough to get on the radio or keep a record contract. In fact, this woman has witnessed that they couldn't keep a record contract or get on the radio after they decided to "move on" without him. Go figure.

I give two shits about hits. The pre-Perry music is great, and Rolie's vocals are amazing too. People always talk about the chills and feelings and emotions they get when Perry emotes in "Mother, Father" and "Faithfully" and "Sweet and Simple" and such... and righteously so. I get them too. BUT... there are many Rolie vocal moments that are just as emotional and gripping as Perry's, even if "technically" inferior. Look no further than "Look Into the Future," "In My Lonely Feeling/Conversations," "In the Morning Day" and "Of a Lifetime" for some absolutely beautiful Rolie vocals. If it's the singer and not the song... then why don't people fawn over Rolie's work as much, when he's an amazing vocalist in his own right? Those songs can be downright majestic.

While Journey's greatest overall period is undoubtedly 78-86, fact of the matter is, just enough credit should go to Smitty and Cain as it should to Perry. While I dearly LOVE Gregg and Aynsley's work, the streamlined killer Journey hitmaking formula didn't come into fruitition until after Smitty and Cain came along. Infinity was still very progressive-sounding in a lot of parts, especially because of Aynsley's huge pounding swoopy patterns. Enter Smitty, and the drumming becomes more concise and alot of the music loses that prog/Brit-rock vibe and enters more pop-rock territory. Enter Cain, and out goes the then-dated sound of the organ, and enter the poppy piano and synth. Success!

I believe that if Journey would've continued on with their Infinity or Evolution/Departure lineups into the 80s, they would've been mired in the same vibe/sound, and wouldn't've had as many chart-topping hit singles. It's Friga, really, who is most responsible for their popular success. After all, it's many thanks to Friga that Perry had such wonderful songs to sing over. I'm not complaining, really, that there weren't more mystic-sounding prog Journey songs... I love the fact that they evolved so much and gave Journey a wealth of different sounds and vibes. But, before we give ALL credit to Perry for being responsible for their hit success... look no further than Cain and Smitty. After all, if I remember correctly, all the hit singles from Infinity didn't get their success until later on in Journey's career, and charted very low when they were first put out.

And that's all completely irrelevant. As irrelevant and Journey without Perry.

It was Steve Perry's voice that made Journey recognizable, his contributions to the songwriting helped create most of the songs that have become iconic, and to top it all off, it was his voice and stage presence that drew stadiums full of fans to the concerts.

The relative handful of people who became fans because of Neal's guitar playing probably would never have heard him without Perry and they wouldn't fill the local high school football bleachers.

[Saint John]

Last 10 years of touring: Journey-2.5+ million fans Steve Perry-0 fans

[caboshooter]

Oh you mean like this?
http://www.marinij.com/liberatore/ci_7826224

Great article! Here's an excerpt from it:

From Pineda's perspective, he's not trying to be Steve Perry, one of his idols, but he's trying to sound as much like him as he can. "We have to make sure the hard-core fans will be satisfied listening to the songs," he said. "They're so used to Steve Perry's voice, so we have to be really close to how Steve Perry has done it. That's the hardest part.

Isn't that exactly what Jeremey and other singers in Journey tribute bands do? So, what makes Arnel any different? I mean, I realize he sounds more like Steve Perry than anyone I've ever heard, but Arnel said it himself that he is trying to imitate Steve Perry as much as possible. Why do people deny that so adamantly?

Hmmm...I believe "only a fucking moron" was said in another thread about someone believing that Journey was trying to bring back the sound of Perry. Thanks for reposting the link.

[perryfaithful]

I need an emoticon that pukes

[ohsherrie]

Last 10 years of touring: Journey-2.5+ million fans Steve Perry-0 fans

Bullshit, irrelevant bullshit at that. The people attending the shows, if there really have been 2.5 million different people who've attended them, wouldn't have been there had it not been for Perry. Most of them don't even want to hear anything that didn't include Perry. Hell most of those people attending those shows ARE Perry fans, whether they'll admit it or not, or they wouldn't be Journey fans.

[Jeremey]

Thanks Dean and Behsad for ratcheting down the rhetoric around here....

As of right now, what I know about this release is that there is a plan to release a 3 disc package...One will include greatest hits rerecorded, another full CD of new material, and possibly a DVD of the Vegas show included. All of this could change, but that was rumored to be the plan last time I heard (as of last week). Should be a great release!

[conversationpc]

Bullshit, irrelevant bullshit at that. The people attending the shows, if there really have been 2.5 million different people who've attended them, wouldn't have been there had it not been for Perry. Most of them don't even want to hear anything that didn't include Perry. Hell most of those people attending those shows ARE Perry fans, whether they'll admit it or not, or they wouldn't be Journey fans.

Different? I agree with most of this post but there's no way those 2.5 million would be "different" people even if Perry were on board. Many of them, regardless, are going to attend multiple shows. That's just the way it is. They still count as paying customers.

[Saint John]

Last 10 years of touring: Journey-2.5+ million fans Steve Perry-0 fans

Bullshit, irrelevant bullshit at that. The people attending the shows, if there really have been 2.5 million different people who've attended them, wouldn't have been there had it not been for Perry. Most of them don't even want to hear anything that didn't include Perry. Hell most of those people attending those shows ARE Perry fans, whether they'll admit it or not, or they wouldn't be Journey fans.

I disagree. Those people are JOURNEY fans. Steve Perry's solo tour's best nights are what Journey does on their worst nights.

[perryfaithful]

Thanks Dean and Behsad for ratcheting down the rhetoric around here....

As of right now, what I know about this release is that there is a plan to release a 3 disc package...One will include greatest hits rerecorded, another full CD of new material, and possibly a DVD of the Vegas show included. All of this could change, but that was rumored to be the plan last time I heard (as of last week). Should be a great release!

Are you kidding?? Gross

[Jeremey]

Thanks Dean and Behsad for ratcheting down the rhetoric around here....

As of right now, what I know about this release is that there is a plan to release a 3 disc package...One will include greatest hits rerecorded, another full CD of new material, and possibly a DVD of the Vegas show included. All of this could change, but that was rumored to be the plan last time I heard (as of last week). Should be a great release!

Are you kidding?? Gross

If it was a standalone rerecording of greatest hits I would agree....Being that they are using it as a tool to promote new music, I think it will work well to introduce Arnel, and the DVD is a good bonus....I do know that Perry would have to have signed off on a video release though. He did for the doomed Dallas 30th anniversary DVD, so since that was never released, maybe they convinced him to allow this release instead.

[ohsherrie]

Bullshit, irrelevant bullshit at that. The people attending the shows, if there really have been 2.5 million different people who've attended them, wouldn't have been there had it not been for Perry. Most of them don't even want to hear anything that didn't include Perry. Hell most of those people attending those shows ARE Perry fans, whether they'll admit it or not, or they wouldn't be Journey fans.

Different? I agree with most of this post but there's no way those 2.5 million would be "different" people even if Perry were on board. Many of them, regardless, are going to attend multiple shows. That's just the way it is. They still count as paying customers.

That was my point.

[Saint John]

Thanks Dean and Behsad for ratcheting down the rhetoric around here....

As of right now, what I know about this release is that there is a plan to release a 3 disc package...One will include greatest hits rerecorded, another full CD of new material, and possibly a DVD of the Vegas show included. All of this could change, but that was rumored to be the plan last time I heard (as of last week). Should be a great release!

Thanks for that bit of info. The naysayers all said Journey would NEVER record new music with Arnel. They've been proven wrong. And to add to what you said, it is my understanding that the GH rerecord will be advertised as being a "free" part of the package. Kind of the "Buy 2 get 1 free" deal. Works for me. I think this 3-pack is an outstanding idea.

[ohsherrie]

Last 10 years of touring: Journey-2.5+ million fans Steve Perry-0 fans

Bullshit, irrelevant bullshit at that. The people attending the shows, if there really have been 2.5 million different people who've attended them, wouldn't have been there had it not been for Perry. Most of them don't even want to hear anything that didn't include Perry. Hell most of those people attending those shows ARE Perry fans, whether they'll admit it or not, or they wouldn't be Journey fans.

I disagree. Those people are JOURNEY fans. Steve Perry's solo tour's best nights are what Journey does on their worst nights.

The point was that the vast majority of these fans attending these concerts would never have BEEN Journey fans had it not been for Perry.

The band obviously knows that because they know they can't sell a CD of new music without luring people in with a re-recording of the hits with what they consider a soundalike. I'm sure Protools will make damn sure the copycat CD and the DVD sound as much as possible like Perry. I'm also sure there will be very little if any mention on the Walmart displays that Perry isn't singing the classics on that disk.

This is an even worse travesty than the "Perry with a perm" debacle. This is unabashed pimping and bastardization of Journey. But hey, enjoy it if regurgitated, rehashed, reprocessed, reconditioned, imitation Journey music is your thing. I'll bet you like Banner Sausage and Armour potted meat too.

[X factor]

Last 10 years of touring: Journey-2.5+ million fans Steve Perry-0 fans

Bullshit, irrelevant bullshit at that. The people attending the shows, if there really have been 2.5 million different people who've attended them, wouldn't have been there had it not been for Perry. Most of them don't even want to hear anything that didn't include Perry. Hell most of those people attending those shows ARE Perry fans, whether they'll admit it or not, or they wouldn't be Journey fans.

I disagree. Those people are JOURNEY fans. Steve Perry's solo tour's best nights are what Journey does on their worst nights.

The point was that the vast majority of these fans attending these concerts would never have BEEN Journey fans had it not been for Perry.

The band obviously knows that because they know they can't sell a CD of new music without luring people in with a re-recording of the hits with what they consider a soundalike. I'm sure Protools will make damn sure the copycat CD and the DVD sound as much as possible like Perry. I'm also sure there will be very little if any mention on the Walmart displays that Perry isn't singing the classics on that disk.

This is an even worse travesty than the "Perry with a perm" debacle. This is unabashed pimping and bastardization of Journey. But hey, enjoy it if regurgitated, rehashed, reprocessed, reconditioned, imitation Journey music is your thing. I'll bet you like Banner Sausage and Armour potted meat too.

Wow! Someone didn't just mention POTTED MEAT in a post!!!!!
Now I've seen it all!

[youkeepmewaiting]

Thanks Dean and Behsad for ratcheting down the rhetoric around here....

As of right now, what I know about this release is that there is a plan to release a 3 disc package...One will include greatest hits rerecorded, another full CD of new material, and possibly a DVD of the Vegas show included. All of this could change, but that was rumored to be the plan last time I heard (as of last week). Should be a great release!

Sounds good to me!

[ohsherrie]

Wow! Someone didn't just mention POTTED MEAT in a post!!!!!
Now I've seen it all!

Hey, it's all been said so many times before in so many ways that sometimes one must think outside the box to make a point.

[Saint John]

Last 10 years of touring: Journey-2.5+ million fans Steve Perry-0 fans

Bullshit, irrelevant bullshit at that. The people attending the shows, if there really have been 2.5 million different people who've attended them, wouldn't have been there had it not been for Perry. Most of them don't even want to hear anything that didn't include Perry. Hell most of those people attending those shows ARE Perry fans, whether they'll admit it or not, or they wouldn't be Journey fans.

I disagree. Those people are JOURNEY fans. Steve Perry's solo tour's best nights are what Journey does on their worst nights.

The point was that the vast majority of these fans attending these concerts would never have BEEN Journey fans had it not been for Perry.

The band obviously knows that because they know they can't sell a CD of new music without luring people in with a re-recording of the hits with what they consider a soundalike. I'm sure Protools will make damn sure the copycat CD and the DVD sound as much as possible like Perry. I'm also sure there will be very little if any mention on the Walmart displays that Perry isn't singing the classics on that disk.

This is an even worse travesty than the "Perry with a perm" debacle. This is unabashed pimping and bastardization of Journey. But hey, enjoy it if regurgitated, rehashed, reprocessed, reconditioned, imitation Journey music is your thing. I'll bet you like Banner Sausage and Armour potted meat too.

Those people are Journey fans because of Journey. If they were Perry fans exclusively they obviously wouldn't still come. Again, what Journey wants to do with their own music is their business. As for "pimping," Perry sure had no problem taking his cut when they were on the road performing songs he no longer wanted to/could. Like most corporations, once you leave you basically give up what you created in that corporation. This is no different. Are you trying to tell me that although 60% of the lineup that made those hits wants to tour and perform them that they're not supposed to because Perry won't/can't tour? And if their is any demand for those songs rerecorded they have every right to do so. Perry didn't have the foresight to know that his 10 year ban on them rerecording the hits wouldn't be long enough. Unlike Perry, Neal and Jon haven't retired, still love what they do and are able to perform. Maybe Perry does too, but I'll be damned if I know.

[ohsherrie]

Those people are Journey fans because of Journey. If they were Perry fans exclusively they obviously wouldn't still come. Again, what Journey wants to do with their own music is their business. As for "pimping," Perry sure had no problem taking his cut when they were on the road performing songs he no longer wanted to/could. Like most corporations, once you leave you basically give up what you created in that corporation. This is no different. Are you trying to tell me that although 60% of the lineup that made those hits wants to tour and perform them that they're not supposed to because Perry won't/can't tour? And if their is any demand for those songs rerecorded they have every right to do so. Perry didn't have the foresight to know that his 10 year ban on them rerecording the hits wouldn't be long enough. Unlike Perry, Neal and Jon haven't retired, still love what they do and are able to perform. Maybe Perry does too, but I'll be damned if I know.

OK Dan, let's go through this one more time. I entered this conversation with this post:

I wish there was Rick. If the band's name had had Steve Perry in it, maybe, but because he was technically just another member of the band I'd assume that he would stop it if he legally could.

Steve Perry's voice was arguably Journey's trademark, but he has only very limited power to protect the trademark that is his voice.

I know some will say Neal's guitar was as much a trademark as Steve's voice, but I know of very few people who became Journey fans because of Neal's guitar. It was because of the voice they heard on the radio.

The magic of Journey couldn't be replicated by Steve with another band and it can't be replicated by the band with another voice because that kind of chemistry can't be copied. That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

I'm ashamed of them.

That's what I'm still saying. Nothing you've said changes the truth of that post.

[Red13JoePa]

Last 10 years of touring: Journey-2.5+ million fans Steve Perry-0 fans

Bullshit, irrelevant bullshit at that. The people attending the shows, if there really have been 2.5 million different people who've attended them, wouldn't have been there had it not been for Perry. Most of them don't even want to hear anything that didn't include Perry. Hell most of those people attending those shows ARE Perry fans, whether they'll admit it or not, or they wouldn't be Journey fans.

I disagree. Those people are JOURNEY fans. Steve Perry's solo tour's best nights are what Journey does on their worst nights.

Yes.
FTLOSM was 3 K seat theaters, where by and large Journey's played the 10-20K seat sheds for 10 years.

[Saint John]

Those people are Journey fans because of Journey. If they were Perry fans exclusively they obviously wouldn't still come. Again, what Journey wants to do with their own music is their business. As for "pimping," Perry sure had no problem taking his cut when they were on the road performing songs he no longer wanted to/could. Like most corporations, once you leave you basically give up what you created in that corporation. This is no different. Are you trying to tell me that although 60% of the lineup that made those hits wants to tour and perform them that they're not supposed to because Perry won't/can't tour? And if their is any demand for those songs rerecorded they have every right to do so. Perry didn't have the foresight to know that his 10 year ban on them rerecording the hits wouldn't be long enough. Unlike Perry, Neal and Jon haven't retired, still love what they do and are able to perform. Maybe Perry does too, but I'll be damned if I know.

OK Dan, let's go through this one more time. I entered this conversation with this post:

I wish there was Rick. If the band's name had had Steve Perry in it, maybe, but because he was technically just another member of the band I'd assume that he would stop it if he legally could.

Steve Perry's voice was arguably Journey's trademark, but he has only very limited power to protect the trademark that is his voice.

I know some will say Neal's guitar was as much a trademark as Steve's voice, but I know of very few people who became Journey fans because of Neal's guitar. It was because of the voice they heard on the radio.

The magic of Journey couldn't be replicated by Steve with another band and it can't be replicated by the band with another voice because that kind of chemistry can't be copied. That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

I'm ashamed of them.

That's what I'm still saying. Nothing you've said changes the truth of that post.

Fair enough. I can agree with the majority of that with the exception of 2 things:

1) Journey's trademark was their music as a collective, collaborative entity. You hinted at this, but stopped short as you simply can't give any of the remaining members much credit.

2) They're not "trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it." That's simply not true. No one thinks Perry is on the new CD, or in the band for that matter, as much as you'd like to use that as an aid in your argument.

[X factor]

Those people are Journey fans because of Journey. If they were Perry fans exclusively they obviously wouldn't still come. Again, what Journey wants to do with their own music is their business. As for "pimping," Perry sure had no problem taking his cut when they were on the road performing songs he no longer wanted to/could. Like most corporations, once you leave you basically give up what you created in that corporation. This is no different. Are you trying to tell me that although 60% of the lineup that made those hits wants to tour and perform them that they're not supposed to because Perry won't/can't tour? And if their is any demand for those songs rerecorded they have every right to do so. Perry didn't have the foresight to know that his 10 year ban on them rerecording the hits wouldn't be long enough. Unlike Perry, Neal and Jon haven't retired, still love what they do and are able to perform. Maybe Perry does too, but I'll be damned if I know.

OK Dan, let's go through this one more time. I entered this conversation with this post:

I wish there was Rick. If the band's name had had Steve Perry in it, maybe, but because he was technically just another member of the band I'd assume that he would stop it if he legally could.

Steve Perry's voice was arguably Journey's trademark, but he has only very limited power to protect the trademark that is his voice.

I know some will say Neal's guitar was as much a trademark as Steve's voice, but I know of very few people who became Journey fans because of Neal's guitar. It was because of the voice they heard on the radio.

The magic of Journey couldn't be replicated by Steve with another band and it can't be replicated by the band with another voice because that kind of chemistry can't be copied. That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

I'm ashamed of them.

That's what I'm still saying. Nothing you've said changes the truth of that post.

Fair enough. I can agree with the majority of that with the exception of 2 things:

1) Journey's trademark was their music as a collective, collaborative entity. You hinted at this, but stopped short as you simply can't give any of the remaining members much credit.

2) They're not "trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it." That's simply not true. No one thinks Perry is on the new CD, or in the band for that matter, as much as you'd like to use that as an aid in your argument.

Dan, I agree with you in principle, and I share your venom for Steve P's "inactivity" over the years, BUT re: #2:

- The other day I mentioned the Summer tour lineup to a good friend of mine (Who is quite the music fan- like evryone from RATT to Rufus Wainwright) who got very excited UNTIL I told her "...but no Steve Perry", to which she retorted "Oh, then why go?"

I don't necessarily AGREE with that line of thinking (I was stoked to get a chance to see them w/ JSS, but so much for that right?) but I think there are PLENTY of folks out there who don't realize Steve P isn't in the band. MTV isn't a part of our lives anymore, and most people don't have the time or wherewithall to follow music news, so when they hear JOURNEY there assumption is STEVE PERRY.

For my 2 cents (which no one really asked for!) I think I would be just as put off by a Journey lineup WITH Steve but WITHOUT Neal. To me, you really need both of those guys. Kinda like the KINKS without one of the Davies boys...it might be cool to listen to, and I might buy a ticket, but it wouldn't quite be the same.

[Voyager]

Does anyone know if the re-recordings are:

1. Completely new recordings with new instrumentation, lead vocals, and backing vocal tracks.

2. The old studio recordings with Arnel's lead vocal track overdubbed over Steve Perry's vocal track.

The former would have taken a LOT of studio time to get anywhere near the quality of the original recordings. The latter would have only taken a few days to a week.

[Red13JoePa]

I think there are PLENTY of folks out there who don't realize Steve P isn't in the band.

Nobody who cares about Journey or perry in the slightest doesn't know he's not in the band anymore.
It's 10 years out, 20 since he took the stage with Journey. This argument holds no water, the band is not trying to make people think he's still in, and at this point, neither do they have to take a full-page ad out in the NY Times announcing he's not in.

[Jeremey]

Does anyone know if the re-recordings are:

1. Completely new recordings with new instrumentation, lead vocals, and backing vocal tracks.

2. The old studio recordings with Arnel's lead vocal track overdubbed over Steve Perry's vocal track.

The former would have taken a LOT of studio time to get anywhere near the quality of the original recordings. The latter would have only taken a few days to a week.

The first.. Shirley is producing all new recordings. Since there isn't any real new arrangements or anything, performing those songs for the new recordings would be a breeze....There are already existing click track and ghost track setups in the sequencer, so they may use actual ghost tracks (bg vocals (deen mostly), some rhythm guitar and keyboard pads etc), but I think they'd probably just start from scratch.

[ohsherrie]

Fair enough. I can agree with the majority of that with the exception of 2 things:

1) Journey's trademark was their music as a collective, collaborative entity. You hinted at this, but stopped short as you simply can't give any of the remaining members much credit.

What the others have done had nothing to do with the point I was making. Nothing any of them did was even known outside a small cult of followers until Steve Perry's voice was heard on the radio.

2) They're not "trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it." That's simply not true. No one thinks Perry is on the new CD, or in the band for that matter, as much as you'd like to use that as an aid in your argument.

Ok, scouring YouTube to find someone who could get them back to their "legacy sound" (codespeak for sound like Perry), replicate the Perry vocals as closely as humanly(and electronically) possible so Walmart rather than Sony could own the Journey GH is what then? Do you really think the cover of that CD is gonna say "Journey's greatest hits as sung by Arnel Pineda"?

[Voyager]

Does anyone know if the re-recordings are:

1. Completely new recordings with new instrumentation, lead vocals, and backing vocal tracks.

2. The old studio recordings with Arnel's lead vocal track overdubbed over Steve Perry's vocal track.

The former would have taken a LOT of studio time to get anywhere near the quality of the original recordings. The latter would have only taken a few days to a week.

The first.. Shirley is producing all new recordings. Since there isn't any real new arrangements or anything, performing those songs for the new recordings would be a breeze....There are already existing click track and ghost track setups in the sequencer, so they may use actual ghost tracks (bg vocals (deen mostly), some rhythm guitar and keyboard pads etc), but I think they'd probably just start from scratch.

Wow. Some of those complex backing vocal harmonies would take some time to nail I'm sure. Plus, Neal would have to try to nail the guitar leads just perfect again - which takes some time even for the best guitarist (I'm sure Eddie Van Halen couldn't do anywhere near 100% on his nowadays). I guess we'll wait and see when the CD comes out. I personally have no intention in buying it, as my original CD's still work just fine and I cannot see them being improved on. But I am curious as to what they are doing with the classics.

[Matthew]

1) Journey's trademark was their music as a collective, collaborative entity. You hinted at this, but stopped short as you simply can't give any of the remaining members much credit.

But take Perry out of this "collective, collaborative entity" and what do you have? Three dusty old LPs that only ProgRocker53 listens to...and three AOR revival records that flew into obscurity.

However much the other members contributed (and I think Schon was equally as important to the 'Journey sound' as Perry was) the fact is...all roads lead back to Perry when it comes to Journey's 'trademark'.


But you know this already St John. You're surely just being mischievious here by trying to sound like some Augeri-era BT freak?