Does Neal have a macho complex?

[nolippin]

Granted the youtube clips I've seen are poor quality, but it sounds to me like the guy is speaking English and speaking it quite well. It also sounds like he is speaking the language of his audience part of the time.

Actually contrary to erroneous opinions here, he's more fluent in English than some native English speakers I know.

Actually just because an opinion is different than yours, it doesn't make it 'erroneous'. Just different.

His fluency in English is not my opinion. It's a fact.

[ArnelRox]

Granted the youtube clips I've seen are poor quality, but it sounds to me like the guy is speaking English and speaking it quite well. It also sounds like he is speaking the language of his audience part of the time.

Correct. In Hong Kong, his shows were frequented by Americans & English & he spoke in English all the time. In the Philippines where all the YouTube videos were shot, it depended on his audience on any given nite. If he had English speakers in the audience, he spoke primarily in English. If Filipino, he spoke primarily in Tagalog. If a mixture, he mixed it up depending on who a request came from. If he was responding to a request in Tagalog, it would not be natural to speak in English. His written and spoken English is just about as fluent as urs or mine.

[donnaplease]

Actually contrary to erroneous opinions here, he's more fluent in English than some native English speakers I know.

Actually just because an opinion is different than yours, it doesn't make it 'erroneous'. Just different.

His fluency in English is not my opinion. It's a fact.

Really? Is there a 'fluency in English' meter that I don't know about?

Huh? Are u & I writing to each other fluently in English? I'm not comprehending.

Susie,

Someone's 'fluency in English' is not a matter of fact. You can think he's fluent, whereas I can think he is not. I don't think there is a "standard" set for determining how fluent someone is. It's not a black & white situation. There are all different levels of fluency. So to tell someone that their opinion on how well Arnel uses the English language is 'erroneous' is, well... erroneous.

[ArnelRox]

Actually contrary to erroneous opinions here, he's more fluent in English than some native English speakers I know.

Actually just because an opinion is different than yours, it doesn't make it 'erroneous'. Just different.

His fluency in English is not my opinion. It's a fact.

Really? Is there a 'fluency in English' meter that I don't know about?

Huh? Are u & I writing to each other fluently in English? I'm not comprehending.

Susie,

Someone's 'fluency in English' is not a matter of fact. You can think he's fluent, whereas I can think he is not. I don't think there is a "standard" set for determining how fluent someone is. It's not a black & white situation. There are all different levels of fluency. So to tell someone that their opinion on how well Arnel uses the English language is 'erroneous' is, well... erroneous.

Let me ask u this, do u consider me fluent in English? Do u conside urself fluent?

[mistiejourney]

Granted the youtube clips I've seen are poor quality, but it sounds to me like the guy is speaking English and speaking it quite well. It also sounds like he is speaking the language of his audience part of the time.

Correct. In Hong Kong, his shows were frequented by Americans & English & he spoke in English all the time. In the Philippines where all the YouTube videos were shot, it depended on his audience on any given nite. If he had English speakers in the audience, he spoke primarily in English. If Filipino, he spoke primarily in Tagalog. If a mixture, he mixed it up depending on who a request came from. If he was responding to a request in Tagalog, it would not be natural to speak in English. His written and spoken English is just about as fluent as urs or mine.

I am surrounded by people who were born and raised in the Philippines (sp?) and who go back and forth between English and Tagalog like flipping a switch!

[nolippin]

Fluency is a matter of fact...not opinion. He is either fluent in English or he's not. He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

flu·ent /ˈfluənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[floo-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. spoken or written with ease: fluent French.
2. able to speak or write smoothly, easily, or readily: a fluent speaker; fluent in six languages.
3. easy; graceful: fluent motion; fluent curves.
4. flowing, as a stream.
5. capable of flowing; fluid, as liquids or gases.
6. easily changed or adapted; pliant.


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[Origin: 1580–90; < L fluent- (s. of fluéns) flowing, prp. of fluere; see -ent]

—Related forms
flu·en·cy, flu·ent·ness, noun
flu·ent·ly, adverb


—Synonyms 1, 2. Fluent, glib, voluble may refer to a flow of words. Fluent suggests the easy and ready flow of an accomplished speaker and is usually a term of commendation: a fluent and interesting speech. Glib implies an excessive fluency divorced from sincerity or profundity; it often suggests talking smoothly and hurriedly to cover up or deceive, not giving the hearer a chance to stop and think; it may also imply a plausible, prepared, and well-rehearsed lie: He had a glib answer for everything. Voluble implies the overcopious and often rapid flow of words characteristic of a person who loves to talk: She overwhelmed him with her voluble answer. See also eloquent.
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Actually contrary to erroneous opinions here, he's more fluent in English than some native English speakers I know.

Actually just because an opinion is different than yours, it doesn't make it 'erroneous'. Just different.

His fluency in English is not my opinion. It's a fact.

Really? Is there a 'fluency in English' meter that I don't know about?

Huh? Are u & I writing to each other fluently in English? I'm not comprehending.

Susie,

Someone's 'fluency in English' is not a matter of fact. You can think he's fluent, whereas I can think he is not. I don't think there is a "standard" set for determining how fluent someone is. It's not a black & white situation. There are all different levels of fluency. So to tell someone that their opinion on how well Arnel uses the English language is 'erroneous' is, well... erroneous.

[ArnelRox]

Fluency is a matter of fact...not opinion. He is either fluent in English or he's not. He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

flu·ent /ˈfluənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[floo-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. spoken or written with ease: fluent French.

Thank u. He is fluent in English & fits #1.

[ieie]

He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

You've met him?

[nolippin]

No. I haven't met him. Check out my first post on this page. I'm going by what I hear on the clips that have been circulating.

He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

You've met him?

[donnaplease]

Let me ask u this, do u consider me fluent in English? Do u conside urself fluent?

Yes, I do consider myself fluent in my native language. Other people (with perhaps more education/intelligence or from another geographical area) may not agree so much. And that's my point. There is no set standard for one's ability to speak or understand the spoken word. It is a broad spectrum.

Just don't state opinion as fact. There, is that fluent enough?

[ArnelRox]

Let me ask u this, do u consider me fluent in English? Do u conside urself fluent?

Yes, I do consider myself fluent in my native language. Other people (with perhaps more education/intelligence or from another geographical area) may not agree so much. And that's my point. There is no set standard for one's ability to speak or understand the spoken word. It is a broad spectrum.

Just don't state opinion as fact. There, is that fluent enough?

Did u read the dictionary definition above?

U can take this to the bank: Arnel is just about as fluent in English as u or I. Therefore, he is fluent by ur standards & by mine. There have been a lot of erroneous statements posted here about Arnel. That is just one of them. Sorry.

[Playitloudforme]

Let me ask u this, do u consider me fluent in English? Do u conside urself fluent?

Yes, I do consider myself fluent in my native language. Other people (with perhaps more education/intelligence or from another geographical area) may not agree so much. And that's my point. There is no set standard for one's ability to speak or understand the spoken word. It is a broad spectrum.

Just don't state opinion as fact. There, is that fluent enough?

Fluency is subjective. What I feel is fluent isn't necessarily what someone else deems fluent. Some take pronunciation into account, other's do not. There's a very distinct division in whether or not you can be understood or not, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are fluent.

Personally, he's fluent enough, but he does speak occasionally with an accent. That matters not. It matters only if it comes through when he sings, and then, that's just for me.... it may not matter to others.

[Perrydise]

If I'd accomplished half what he has I'd be pretty confident I could do just about anything.

As for the "locknload" name reference, he's into riding motorcycles (big motorcycles) so its fair to say he's macho.

Funny, the guy down the street from me has 2 big Harley's and he is openly gay.

[Red13JoePa]

Fluent but can't sing w/out sounding weird.

[donnaplease]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluency

Language fluency is proficiency in a language, most typically foreign language or another learned language. In this sense, "fluency" actually encompasses a number of related but separable skills:

Reading: the ability to easily read and understand texts written in the language;
Writing: the ability to formulate written texts in the language;
Comprehension: the ability to follow and understand speech in the language;
Speaking: the ability to speak in the language and be understood by its speakers.

[ieie]

http://www.rosd.k12.mi.us/lang/foreign/ ... luency.htm

[donnaplease]

Fluency is a matter of fact...not opinion. He is either fluent in English or he's not. He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

Exactly. To You. Opinion... not fact.

[Playitloudforme]

Fluency is a matter of fact...not opinion. He is either fluent in English or he's not. He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

Exactly. To You. Opinion... not fact.

Bingo

[ArnelRox]

Personally, he's fluent enough, but he does speak occasionally with an accent.

There are many accents in the US. IMHO Augeri spoke (& sang) w/a NY accent. I have a distinct Chicago accent. I imagine u probably have a CA accent. Jeff has one of those too but it's different from Perry's CA accent. Arnel's accent is very slight but when he flips into his native tongue onstage in the Philippines, it could come across as lack of fluency to some ears who dont hear the quick flip.

[nolippin]

OK...Miss Priss spin it however you need to. Splitting hairs on a Saturday night is not something I intend to become "fluent" in.

Fluency is a matter of fact...not opinion. He is either fluent in English or he's not. He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

Exactly. To You. Opinion... not fact.

[donnaplease]

Fluency is subjective. What I feel is fluent isn't necessarily what someone else deems fluent. Some take pronunciation into account, other's do not. There's a very distinct division in whether or not you can be understood or not, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are fluent.

Thank you. This is my point exactly.

[ArnelRox]

Fluent but can't sing w/out sounding weird.

That's ur opinion. It doesnt sound weird to me when he sings at all.

[Playitloudforme]

Personally, he's fluent enough, but he does speak occasionally with an accent.

There are many accents in the US. IMHO Augeri spoke (& sang) w/a NY accent. I have a distinct Chicago accent. I imagine u probably have a CA accent. Jeff has one of those too but it's different from Perry's CA accent. Arnel's accent is very slight but when he flips into his native tongue onstage in the Philippines, it could come across as lack of fluency to some ears who dont hear the quick flip.

Do Californians have an accent? Other than calling everyone dude, I mean..... LOL.

[ieie]

OK...Miss Priss spin it however you need to. Splitting hairs on a Saturday night is not something I intend to become "fluent" in.

no need to be like that ! sheesh!

[Rick]

Personally, he's fluent enough, but he does speak occasionally with an accent.

There are many accents in the US. IMHO Augeri spoke (& sang) w/a NY accent. I have a distinct Chicago accent. I imagine u probably have a CA accent. Jeff has one of those too but it's different from Perry's CA accent. Arnel's accent is very slight but when he flips into his native tongue onstage in the Philippines, it could come across as lack of fluency to some ears who dont hear the quick flip.

I don't have an accent. All of y'all do.

[ArnelRox]

Fluency is subjective. What I feel is fluent isn't necessarily what someone else deems fluent. Some take pronunciation into account, other's do not. There's a very distinct division in whether or not you can be understood or not, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are fluent.

Thank you. This is my point exactly.

Why dont u wait until u get to hear Arnel speak English at length & then form an opinion. Until u do that, u dont really know for sure. I realize neither of u intend to go to a Journey concert, but I'm sure boots/videos will surface & perhaps u could take a moment of ur day to listen to them. Then we could take this discussion up again. Deal?

[Playitloudforme]

Fluency is subjective. What I feel is fluent isn't necessarily what someone else deems fluent. Some take pronunciation into account, other's do not. There's a very distinct division in whether or not you can be understood or not, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are fluent.

Thank you. This is my point exactly.

Why dont u wait until u get to hear Arnel speak English at length & then form an opinion. Until u do that, u dont really know for sure. I realize neither of u intend to go to a Journey concert, but I'm sure boots/videos will surface & perhaps u could take a moment of ur day to listen to them. Then we could take this discussion up again. Deal?

Susie... already have. Passing. Nuthin there for me hon...

[ArnelRox]

Do Californians have an accent? Other than calling everyone dude, I mean..... LOL.

To me u do. To u, I guess not. One thing I've always noticed it on is the way u guys say "dollar".

I bet u would laugh ur ass off at my flat Chicago nasally accent tho

[donnaplease]

OK...Miss Priss spin it however you need to. Splitting hairs on a Saturday night is not something I intend to become "fluent" in.

Fluency is a matter of fact...not opinion. He is either fluent in English or he's not. He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

Exactly. To You. Opinion... not fact.

No one asked your 'opinion' in the first place, now did they??? And that's a fact!!!!

[ArnelRox]

Susie... already have. Passing. Nuthin there for me hon...

U have heard Arnel speak English at length? Wow. May I ask where?