Ever think about this....

[SusieP]

Not even close. Arnel is head and shoulders a better singer than Augeri and is not a clone on the new material. Augeri sounded like an injured Steve Perry.

Did you think Augeri was always a poor singer? Or just when he began to have vocal probs?

Just curious.

[SusieP]

The general music listening public has no idea who Soto is.

But they WOULD have done if he'd been kept on and sung on the new songs.

[stevew2]

I remember seeing clips of performances and Cain would have this scowl at times.

He ALWAYS looks like that....miserable.

he looks like he needs to take a good shit.I dont think he ever liked JSS, he was to manly for him,i think he felt threatened

[SusieP]

The fan base has remained the same, consisting of people who only like the classic sound. Nothing wrong with that either...

To be fair, they have probably gained a new Fillipino fanbase.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The clone approach had just failed before with Augeri.

Not even close. Arnel is head and shoulders a better singer than Augeri and is not a clone on the new material. Augeri sounded like an injured Steve Perry. Pineda actually sings some parts of the ballads a half step up from Perry. When could Augeri ever do that???

Do you mean to say every Walmart consumer checked Arnel live in concert or watched 'Ellen' before weighing their buying decision?
What little promotional materials existed for "Arrival," like the Direct TV concert, showed Augeri hitting those stratospheric high notes with ease, so what's the difference?

lol...Paul Rodgers is a legendary frontman with 2 largely successful bands on his resume...not to mention millions of albums moved. The general music listening public has no idea who Soto is.

And the general public has no idea who Arnel Pineda is, yet he currently sings on one of the best selling albums in the country.
Did "Revelation" really move all those units on the back of Arnel's god-given talents, despite nobody knowing who the fuck he is?

[stevew2]

The fan base has remained the same, consisting of people who only like the classic sound. Nothing wrong with that either...

To be fair, they have probably gained a new Fillipino fanbase.

I agree, you know Journeys banking on that along with the rags to riches story from Arnel

[SusieP]

And the general public has no idea who Arnel Pineda is, yet he currently sings on one of the best selling albums in the country.
Did "Revelation" really move all those units on the back of Arnel's god-given talents, despite nobody knowing who the fuck he is?

You have such a great way with words TNC.

I agree.

[Greg]

Aside from common sense, perhaps not.

What is that supposed to mean? What is your beef with Jeff?

Not even close. Arnel is head and shoulders a better singer than Augeri and is not a clone on the new material. Augeri sounded like an injured Steve Perry. Pineda actually sings some parts of the ballads a half step up from Perry. When could Augeri ever do that???

What's the big deal about placing so much emphasis on how high a singer can sing? So tenor 2's, Baritones, and basses can't sing? That's ridiculous.

lol...Paul Rodgers is a legendary frontman with 2 largely successful bands on his resume...not to mention millions of albums moved. The general music listening public has no idea who Soto is.

The general music listening public has no idea who Pineda is either. Why must you bag on JSS so much? The guy will forever have a thousand times more talent than you or I ever will musically. The biggest reason for Journey's success is the Wal*Mart deal. If they had such a deal with Augeri or JSS as singer, the same thing would be happening. It's all marketing.

[SusieP]

The fan base has remained the same, consisting of people who only like the classic sound. Nothing wrong with that either...

To be fair, they have probably gained a new Fillipino fanbase.

I agree, you know Journeys banking on that along with the rags to riches story from Arnel

BANKING being the operative word.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The biggest reason for Journey's success is the Wal*Mart deal. If they had such a deal with Augeri or JSS as singer, the same thing would be happening. It's all marketing.

Not to harp on the merits of the album, 'cuz I think it's great, but I agree with this.

[stevew2]

You have no way of knowing this.

Aside from common sense, perhaps not.

The clone approach had just failed before with Augeri.

Not even close. Arnel is head and shoulders a better singer than Augeri and is not a clone on the new material. Augeri sounded like an injured Steve Perry. Pineda actually sings some parts of the ballads a half step up from Perry. When could Augeri ever do that???

If anything, a fresh take ala Paul Rodgers was arguably a safer bet.

lol...Paul Rodgers is a legendary frontman with 2 largely successful bands on his resume...not to mention millions of albums moved. The general music listening public has no idea who Soto is.

You are headed for another bitch slaping

[Saint John]

Do you mean to say every Walmart consumer checked Arnel live in concert or watched 'Ellen' before weighing their buying decision?
What little promotional materials existed for "Arrival," like the Direct TV concert, showed Augeri hitting those stratospheric high notes with ease, so what's the difference??

Ellen, CBS Sunday morning, GQ magazine and a few other cameos have sure as shit allowed people to hear Arnel, and the response has been overwhelmingly positive. But keep up the excuses. They're entertaining. I find it ironic that someone who was watching Cartoon Network during the early Augeri years is giving me a history lesson.

And the general public has no idea who Arnel Pineda is, yet he currently sings on one of the best selling albums in the country.
Did "Revelation" really move all those units on the back of Arnel's god-given talents, despite nobody knowing who the fuck he is?

People know who he is. I've had friends that have tarred and feathered me for years for being a Journey fan tell me "Journey has a fucking Filipino singer?!?!?" And then when they hear him they generally shut the fuck up. Try it sometime.

[Saint John]

You are headed for another bitch slaping

You don't know anyone that could bitch slap me, pal.

[stevew2]

You are headed for another bitch slaping

You don't know anyone that could bitch slap me, pal.

You were a couple weels ago bud

[Greg]

You are headed for another bitch slaping

You don't know anyone that could bitch slap me, pal.

You were a couple weels ago bud

For the whole world to see!

[SusieP]

You are headed for another bitch slaping

You don't know anyone that could bitch slap me, pal.

I could stand on a box and try.

You didn't answer my question earlier, SJ. I think it got buried among all the replies........
Did you always think Augeri was a poor singer, or just when he started to have vox probs?

I wasn't keen on the albums he sang on but I liked him well enough. And I love Higher Place & Faith In The Heartland.

Just wondered did you never care for him?
I mean the poor material during his tenure wasn't his fault, was it?

[Saint John]

What is your beef with Jeff?

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

What's the big deal about placing so much emphasis on how high a singer can sing?

It's what the fans are used to. Unless it's Steve Perry up there singing (in which case range wouldn't matter) the fans want to hear the sound they're used to.

The biggest reason for Journey's success is the Wal*Mart deal. If they had such a deal with Augeri or JSS as singer, the same thing would be happening. It's all marketing.

Yeah, ok. Any 30+ year old band can put an album in Wal mart and keep it in the Top 10 for 3 weeks...riiight. I suppose the people from The New York Times, GQ, Ellen, and the CBS Sunday Morning Show are all Wal Mart employees and/or shareholders. And just where was this prophecy before all of the success? Get the fuck outta here.

[SusieP]

Yeah, ok. Any 30+ year old band can put an album in Wal mart and keep it in the Top 10 for 3 weeks...riiight. I suppose the people from The New York Times, GQ, Ellen, and the CBS Sunday Morning Show are all Wal Mart employees and/or shareholders. And just where was this prophecy before all of the success? Get the fuck outta here.

But wouldn't they have got all of that even if Arnel wasn't singing lead?
Don't forget the airing of DSB on The Sopranos raised Journey's profile big time. That alone could have generated a lot of sales of the new album.

[Saint John]

Did you always think Augeri was a poor singer, or just when he started to have vox probs?

I liked him quite a bit actually, but you know what...looking back I think it was more so because I got to see Journey continue to perform, he was so darn nice in person, and I have a lot of great memories of the shows. But going back and looking at even his first 2 years I have to admit that he's only somewhere between "above average" and "good."

[SusieP]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

[stevew2]

What is your beef with Jeff?

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

What's the big deal about placing so much emphasis on how high a singer can sing?

It's what the fans are used to. Unless it's Steve Perry up there singing (in which case range wouldn't matter) the fans want to hear the sound they're used to.


The biggest reason for Journey's success is the Wal*Mart deal. If they had such a deal with Augeri or JSS as singer, the same thing would be happening. It's all marketing.[/quote]

Yeah, ok. Any 30+ year old band can put an album in Wal mart and keep it in the Top 10 for 3 weeks...riiight. I suppose the people from The New York Times, GQ, Ellen, and the CBS Sunday Morning Show are all Wal Mart employees and/or shareholders. And just where was this prophecy before all of the success? Get the fuck outta here.[/quote] the reason why Journey has been getting this kind of press is the Rag to Riches angle about Arnle, and the You Tube story.

[stevew2]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

I still think you re up to something lol

[SusieP]

Did you always think Augeri was a poor singer, or just when he started to have vox probs?

I liked him quite a bit actually, but you know what...looking back I think it was more so because I got to see Journey continue to perform, he was so darn nice in person, and I have a lot of great memories of the shows. But going back and looking at even his first 2 years I have to admit that he's only somewhere between "above average" and "good."

Fair enough.
And a lot of the songs on the two albums he was involved in aren't exactly brilliant, are they - if we really examine them.

[NealIsGod]

Steve, I thought you had the quote function figured out. You drinkin' today?

[SusieP]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

I still think you re up to something lol

I laugh every time I see my own Avatar now you've said I look as if I am up to something.

[Saint John]

You are headed for another bitch slaping

You don't know anyone that could bitch slap me, pal.

You were a couple weels ago bud

For the whole world to see!

The only thing the world saw was a run of the mill singer blowing his top at a guy that stated facts and well formed opinions about him and his career. I have never called him one name...ever. But per his interview "It was time for me to just kind of lay low and just get back to work and not really care or think about what people thinking and talking about." Except for me of course!!!

[Saint John]

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Absolutely not! I haven't seen anyone running around using Arnel in the same company as Perry, Mercury, Jamison and even Cronin...no one.

[SusieP]

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Absolutely not! I haven't seen anyone running around using Arnel in the same company as Perry, Mercury, Jamison and even Cronin...no one.

Just checkin'.

[Deb]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

Exactly, and not to go round and round with you on this again, but you do have a tendency to prefer singers with the high tenor voices. Everybody has different criteria for what they like in vocals. While I'll agree nobody can touch Perry's voice, who are you to call the likes of me disillusioned because I dare breath the words Soto or Martin in the same sentence as Perry? 3 different vocal tones, and when it comes to delivering with "soul" they are ALL right up there in my books!

[stevew2]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

I still think you re up to something lol

I laugh every time I see my own Avatar now you've said I look as if I am up to something.

I swear you are, and them blue glasses dont help, they good with Frigas afro