would steve perry make a difference

[Ratgirl]

Seriously, the guy is overrated.

[S2M]

Sorry, time for a Ric Roll emoticon

[Escape Artist]

WHO CARES.

[musicfan17]

Probably not.... FWIW...I'm glad Arnel is the vocalist now instead of SP. Hopefully SP will someday release some NEW solo material...but as far as the new album goes...I think a lot fo Phillipinos bought it, and a lot of people took a try to see what the new vocalist that was getting the publicity sounded like. Revelation is a great album. Don's know if it would have sounded as good with old SP involved.

[Rick]

Probably not.... FWIW...I'm glad Arnel is the vocalist now instead of SP. Hopefully SP will someday release some NEW solo material...but as far as the new album goes...I think a lot of Filipinos bought it, and a lot of people took a try to see what the new vocalist that was getting the publicity sounded like. Revelation is a great album. Don't know if it would have sounded as good with old SP involved.

I think they did the absolute right thing by hiring Arnel, and I think the world of him, but even as good as he is, I'd take SP in any vocal condition on a Journey record over any other singer. But I've been listening to them since Rolie was with the band.

[Since 78]

Probably not.... FWIW...I'm glad Arnel is the vocalist now instead of SP. Hopefully SP will someday release some NEW solo material...but as far as the new album goes...I think a lot of Filipinos bought it, and a lot of people took a try to see what the new vocalist that was getting the publicity sounded like. Revelation is a great album. Don't know if it would have sounded as good with old SP involved.

I think they did the absolute right thing by hiring Arnel, and I think the world of him, but even as good as he is, I'd take SP in any vocal condition on a Journey record over any other singer. But I've been listening to them since Rolie was with the band.

I agree with you Rick, but I don't know if it would have made a difference as far as sales. This album has done incredibly well for a band as old as Journey.

[Saint John]

I'd take SP in any vocal condition on a Journey record over any other singer.

Not me. Not if it meant no more touring. No way. This band is in its best shape since 1983.

[Voyager]

If Perry returned it would be bigger than The Police reunion. Instead of selling out a few arenas, it would be selling out two or three nights at every arena. However, it would require that Perry have a voice that can sing the stuff. If he could, the tour would be huge. If he couldn't, it would still be bigger than using a stand-in singer.

To me it's no different than someone asking if a Rolling Stones tour would be bigger with Mick Jagger or an impersonator, of if someone if an Elvis tour would do better with Elvis or with an Elvis impersonator.

Same question, different twist, different day, same answer. I guess people will always still ask, hoping for a different answer. People want Perry to return. The poll results say it all with a 6 to 1 ratio.

[One & Only]

You all know that if you heard next year SP was coming back to tour, you all would be going crazy! As would I. If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then as Im sure he does today! You just dont "lose your great voice" over years, unless your 80! I love Arnel dont get me wrong, but come on your talking about STEVE PERRY here! Any concert, whichever lead singer would be great! Hands down.

[Voyager]

Probably not.... FWIW...I'm glad Arnel is the vocalist now instead of SP. Hopefully SP will someday release some NEW solo material...but as far as the new album goes...I think a lot of Filipinos bought it, and a lot of people took a try to see what the new vocalist that was getting the publicity sounded like. Revelation is a great album. Don't know if it would have sounded as good with old SP involved.

I think they did the absolute right thing by hiring Arnel, and I think the world of him, but even as good as he is, I'd take SP in any vocal condition on a Journey record over any other singer. But I've been listening to them since Rolie was with the band.

I agree with you Rick, but I don't know if it would have made a difference as far as sales. This album has done incredibly well for a band as old as Journey.

True, but the tour would sellout multiple nights in most cities with Perry singing. The Police didn't put out a new album, and they soldout multiple nights in most cities. However, with a Sting impersonator they wouldn't have done as well.

[Since 78]

Probably not.... FWIW...I'm glad Arnel is the vocalist now instead of SP. Hopefully SP will someday release some NEW solo material...but as far as the new album goes...I think a lot of Filipinos bought it, and a lot of people took a try to see what the new vocalist that was getting the publicity sounded like. Revelation is a great album. Don't know if it would have sounded as good with old SP involved.

I think they did the absolute right thing by hiring Arnel, and I think the world of him, but even as good as he is, I'd take SP in any vocal condition on a Journey record over any other singer. But I've been listening to them since Rolie was with the band.

I agree with you Rick, but I don't know if it would have made a difference as far as sales. This album has done incredibly well for a band as old as Journey.

True, but the tour would sellout multiple nights in most cities with Perry singing. The Police didn't put out a new album, and they soldout multiple nights in most cities. However, with a Sting impersonator they wouldn't have done as well.

Well, then we should change the topic to if Steve Perry toured with Journey. If that was the case, then absolutely it would make a difference. But we are talking about album sales.

[brywool]

I'd take SP in any vocal condition on a Journey record over any other singer.

Not me. Not if it meant no more touring. No way. This band is in its best shape since 1983.

No kidding! I'd rather hear Arnel with Journey at this point than Perry's voice as it was on Trial By Fire.
I love Perry, but the damage to his voice just doesn't do anything for me and I would bet if he was involved, the album would've been much slower than it was. I personally welcome a more rocking Journey and have been waiting for it since Frontiers. Everything with Perry after Frontiers was so much more UNrock.

If Perry's voice was in great shape and the songs on Revelation were recorded with a Perry in great shape, well, then it would be interesting and it probably would've been great. But the Perry from Trial By Fire couldn't do these songs as recorded.

I'm incredibly happy with Arnel in Journey.

When Perry releases his album (and I'm not holding my breath), I'll certainly buy it.

[Rhiannon]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

[brywool]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

[One & Only]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Each to thier own! I did hear it on YouTube awhile back, maybe I should take another listen?? LOL

[Since 78]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Each to thier own! I did hear it on YouTube awhile back, maybe I should take another listen?? LOL

It wasn't very good, but neither were the conditions. I'm sure SP can still sing, but until he actually puts something out this debate will continue.

[Rhiannon]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

[Arianddu]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

[stevew2]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

Definatly 'trial by fire "voice ,i heard it, he was on key,not bad at all

[Rhiannon]

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

I have honestly never ever evar heard that existed. Someone link it if you got it.

[Since 78]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

Definatly 'trial by fire "voice ,i heard it, he was on key,not bad at all

Here ya go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxX0VwHu-I

[bluejeangirl76]

I have honestly never ever evar heard that existed. Someone link it if you got it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxX0VwHu-I&NR=1

And no I did not happen to have that handy.
Took 2 seconds to find... search "steve perry white sox". All kinds of crap comes up.

[stevew2]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

Definatly 'trial by fire "voice ,i heard it, he was on key,not bad at all

Here ya go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxX0VwHu-I

Not bad lifegaurd, it it was about 4 steps down,but who cares."she said still got it" maybe he got some knooky later,beats the cat[if ya know what i mean]

[Since 78]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

Definatly 'trial by fire "voice ,i heard it, he was on key,not bad at all

Here ya go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxX0VwHu-I

Not bad lifegaurd, it it was about 4 steps down,but who cares."she said still got it" maybe he got some knooky later,beats the cat[if ya know what i mean]

Cat?

[stevew2]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

Definatly 'trial by fire "voice ,i heard it, he was on key,not bad at all

Here ya go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxX0VwHu-I

Not bad lifegaurd, it it was about 4 steps down,but who cares."she said still got it" maybe he got some knooky later,beats the cat[if ya know what i mean]

Cat?

Unlike friga i heard Steve P likes a little puss

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

You can go on and on about this kind stuff, what if this or that happened? As a matter of fact theres a list of what ifs I consider regularily. They include the following

1-What if that hot girl had been my high school prom date and I didnt have to get stuck going with her ugly sister who liked pizza instead?
2-what if nixon had won a few more vote in Illionois and actually beat Kennedy in 1960 ?
3-What if Todd's malfunctioned at Ford theater and Lincoln lived ?
4-What if Santana and Neal had gotten along like a house on fire and never fell out ?
5-What if they never brought back blue M&M's
6-What if the Coyote caught the Roadrunner in Episode 5 of Looney Tunes
7-What if Rollie said "No Cain, No Way I want back on the Piano" in 1980?
8-WHat if, on Oct 3 1951 with 2 outs in the 9th Gill Hodges had been guarding the first base line for the Dodgers, had been able to get Don Mueller of the Giants out and Bobby Thomson never got to bat
9-What if Charlie Brown kicked Lucy in the head one of them times she was holding the football
10-What if Americans stood up and said "no shit beer and no shit cheese will cross our lips ever and Old MIlwualkee and Velveeta were banned.
11-What if Toilet paper was never inventened and we had to uses EUcalyptus leaves instead. Would Austrailia be a world economic power?

Fact is - just like Perry never came back and didnt sing on Revelation - none of these alternative endings ever happened- and theres no use going on and on about what ifs

[Matthew]

No kidding! I'd rather hear Arnel with Journey at this point than Perry's voice as it was on Trial By Fire.
I love Perry, but the damage to his voice just doesn't do anything for me and I would bet if he was involved, the album would've been much slower than it was. I personally welcome a more rocking Journey and have been waiting for it since Frontiers. Everything with Perry after Frontiers was so much more UNrock.

TBF sounds like a much heavier record than Revelation to my ears. Schon's guitar is much more up in the mix and it has this great crunchy quality to it as well.

I'm just not getting what's so 'rock' about Revelation. There's Change For the Better...plus one BGTY knock-off and a trio of Survivoresque numbers in the middle...but other than that it's the same old schmaltzy/mid-tempo pop/rock we usually get.

Possibly a little faster overall than TBF - you're right about that, I think - but equally the production is much more commercial and lightweight.

[Michigan Girl]

You can go on and on about this kind stuff, what if this or that happened? As a matter of fact theres a list of what ifs I consider regularily. They include the following

1-What if that hot girl had been my high school prom date and I didnt have to get stuck going with her ugly sister who liked pizza instead?
2-what if nixon had won a few more vote in Illionois and actually beat Kennedy in 1960 ?
3-What if Todd's malfunctioned at Ford theater and Lincoln lived ?
4-What if Santana and Neal had gotten along like a house on fire and never fell out ?
5-What if they never brought back blue M&M's
6-What if the Coyote caught the Roadrunner in Episode 5 of Looney Tunes
7-What if Rollie said "No Cain, No Way I want back on the Piano" in 1980?
8-WHat if, on Oct 3 1951 with 2 outs in the 9th Gill Hodges had been guarding the first base line for the Dodgers, had been able to get Don Mueller of the Giants out and Bobby Thomson never got to bat
9-What if Charlie Brown kicked Lucy in the head one of them times she was holding the football
10-What if Americans stood up and said "no shit beer and no shit cheese will cross our lips ever and Old MIlwualkee and Velveeta were banned.
11-What if Toilet paper was never inventened and we had to uses EUcalyptus leaves instead. Would Austrailia be a world economic power?

Fact is - just like Perry never came back and didnt sing on Revelation - none of these alternative endings ever happened- and theres no use going on and on about what ifs

Looks like you spent some time on them............

[One & Only]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

Definatly 'trial by fire "voice ,i heard it, he was on key,not bad at all

Here ya go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxX0VwHu-I

Not bad lifegaurd, it it was about 4 steps down,but who cares."she said still got it" maybe he got some knooky later,beats the cat[if ya know what i mean]

Cat?

Unlike friga i heard Steve P likes a little puss

and THATS how he sounded AFTER screaming the whole game! Not bad, not bad at all.

[brywool]

If im not mistaken, didnt SP belt out a great song with great vocals at a Chicago White Sox game a few years ago? He sounded amazing then

Not so much... but ya know. It was kind of adrenalinated. And such.

Um, he did NOT belt out a great vocal at a Sox game. It was horrendous.

Yah... 'twas what I was hinting at... without coming right out and saying it...

Depends which version you caught. The one where he's trying to sing with the players - no! He'd been screaming, they're all off pitch... definately NO. But there was another occassion where he got a blonde female reporter to sing with him, and he nailed it pretty fair! Different tone than before, but pulling it off cold, after all the cheering... well, do what you got to do for the note, but it sounded good.

Definatly 'trial by fire "voice ,i heard it, he was on key,not bad at all

I caught all those versions. On this clip (the one with the reporter), he definitely wasn't singing in the key the song was written in. It was WAY below it. Something for Johnny Cash to be proud of maybe, but to use that clip to say "Oh his voice is fine"... um, hardly.

If Arnel, Augeri, or JSS sang it like this, even in a casual setting, they'd be crucified, yet Perry's given a free pass? Love the guy's pipes but I also know when I hear a damaged voice and his is definitely damaged in this clip and everything I've heard from Frontiers on. I'd love to hear the guy return to form. I REALLY would, but the voice on Trial by Fire needed rest and vocal therapy. The guy still emotes more than anyone I've ever heard and there's definite passion there, but as far as range, it appears to be gone.

I guess it's just nice to hear the guy at all and know he's a happy dude. If I were him and I had the voice that he had on Infinity and then I ended up with the voice on TBF, I would be amazingly UNhappy and I definitely would be cautious about singing publicly again. I totally get the Perry-recluse thing.