OT: Dustin Pedroia named A.L. MVP!

[Saint John]

Tito, you are proving our point. RBIs just prove that you got a hit with MEN ON BASE. You can't get RBIs if you don't have teammates getting on in front of you....Pedroia bats second meaning the 8,9, and 1 hitter must get on base for him to drive them in. Bottom of our lineup was putrid this year. If Quentin knocked in that many with 170 less at bats, that only proves that CWS had a better team than the Sox, and consequently would have done fairly well without him....

Let me start by saying that I completely concur with Pedroia winning the MVP award. That said, I did some research and it seems to throw a monkey wrench in the above post. It also thwarts, to some degree, John's argument that Pedroia "was an offensive machine." Let's examine the facts, shall we.

At bats with:

men on 2nd: Pedroia-55 Quentin-39

men on 3rd: Pedroia-19 Quentin-13

1st and 2nd: Pedroia-48 Quentin 34

1st and 3rd: Pedroia-8 Quentin-14

2nd and 3rd: Pedroia-17 Quentin-11

Bases Loaded: Pedroia-16 Quentin-8

Man in scoring position and 2 out and average: Pedroia-78 (.231) Quentin-41 (.268)

Men on and 2 out and average: Pedroia-116 (.224) Quentin-67 (.284)


It seems to me (actually, it's a fact) like Dustin Pedroia had far more chances to drive in runs, but seemed to get the majority of his hits with no one on base. His averages with a man, or men, in scoring position and 2 outs were putrid (.231 and .224). Again, given his glove, his speed, his attitude, the fact that he was a great teammate and the fact that he played all year, he more than deserves the MVP award. And let me say that I despise the White Sox and was glad when Quentin broke his wrist. But S2M's highlighted comment and John's "offensive machine" comments tells me that, to some degree, you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Because the stats don't lie.

[conversationpc]

It seems me (actually, it's a fact) like Dustin Pedroia had far more chances to drive in runs, but seemed to get the majority of his hits with no one on base. His averages with a man, or men, in scoring position and 2 outs were putrid (.231 and .224). Again, given his glove, his speed, his attitude, the fact that he was a great teammate and the fact that he played all year, he more than deserves the MVP award. And let me say that I despise the White Sox and was glad when Quentin broke his wrist. But S2M's highlighted comment and John's "offensive machine" comments tells me that, to some degree, you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Because the stats don't lie.

Good numbers and a MUCH better argument than that weak shit that Tito tried to drive to the hole with.

[Don]

Tito, you are proving our point. RBIs just prove that you got a hit with MEN ON BASE. You can't get RBIs if you don't have teammates getting on in front of you....Pedroia bats second meaning the 8,9, and 1 hitter must get on base for him to drive them in. Bottom of our lineup was putrid this year. If Quentin knocked in that many with 170 less at bats, that only proves that CWS had a better team than the Sox, and consequently would have done fairly well without him....

Let me start by saying that I completely concur with Pedroia winning the MVP award. That said, I did some research and it seems to throw a monkey wrench in the above post. It also thwarts, to some degree, John's argument that Pedroia "was an offensive machine." Let's examine the facts, shall we.

At bats with:

men on 2nd: Pedroia-55 Quentin-39

men on 3rd: Pedroia-19 Quentin-13

1st and 2nd: Pedroia-48 Quentin 34

1st and 3rd: Pedroia-8 Quentin-14

2nd and 3rd: Pedroia-17 Quentin-11

Bases Loaded: Pedroia-16 Quentin-8

Man in scoring position and 2 out and average: Pedroia-78 (.231) Quentin-41 (.268)

Men on and 2 out and average: Pedroia-116 (.224) Quentin-67 (.284)


It seems to me (actually, it's a fact) like Dustin Pedroia had far more chances to drive in runs, but seemed to get the majority of his hits with no one on base. His averages with a man, or men, in scoring position and 2 outs were putrid (.231 and .224). Again, given his glove, his speed, his attitude, the fact that he was a great teammate and the fact that he played all year, he more than deserves the MVP award. And let me say that I despise the White Sox and was glad when Quentin broke his wrist. But S2M's highlighted comment and John's "offensive machine" comments tells me that, to some degree, you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Because the stats don't lie.

There's lies, damn lies and then there's statistics.

[Saint John]

Pedroia hit over .600 (yes, I said .600) for an entire month

I'm calling complete bullshit on this. I looked at his stats for every game and there is no month or 30 day stretch where this occured. Do you realize that he'd have to go 3 for 5 every day for 30 days?!?! What a ridiculous assertion.

[Enigma869]

John's "offensive machine" comments tells me that, to some degree, you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Because the stats don't lie.

I stand by my comment. I can assure you that in spite of your comment that I "don't know what the fuck 'I'm' talking about", I understand the game of baseball quite well. I saw all 157 games Pedroia played in, which is probably at least 150 more than you saw. The guy led the league in hits, batting average, doubles, runs scored, and was ranked in the top 4 of most major statistical categories. He also had the second fewest strikeouts in the majors for guys who had at least 500 AB's. I never said the guy was perfect or couldn't improve upon his game. I simply said that he won the award and should have won the award. I can find stats on the top 5 guys in the MVP race and point out major flaws in ALL of their games. That said, Pedroia has played two seasons of major league baseball, and has won the Rookie Of The Year, World Series, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, and MVP. I'd say the guy is off to a pretty good start, in spite of his "putrid" performance with RISP!

[Saint John]

John's "offensive machine" comments tells me that, to some degree, you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Because the stats don't lie.

I stand by my comment. I can assure you that in spite of your comment that I "don't know what the fuck 'I'm' talking about", I understand the game of baseball quite well. I saw all 157 games Pedroia played in, which is probably at least 150 more than you saw. The guy led the league in hits, batting average, doubles, runs scored, and was ranked in the top 4 of most major statistical categories. He also had the second fewest strikeouts in the majors for guys who had at least 500 AB's. I never said the guy was perfect or couldn't improve upon his game. I simply said that he won the award and should have won the award. I can find stats on the top 5 guys in the MVP race and point out major flaws in ALL of their games. That said, Pedroia has played two seasons of major league baseball, and has won the Rookie Of The Year, World Series, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, and MVP. I'd say the guy is off to a pretty good start, in spite of his "putrid" performance with RISP!

I specifically put "to some degree" in there for a reason. I know you know the game. And I agree with much of what you said, but I just think "an offensive machine" should be able to crack .250 with RISP. And he hasn't .300 in either post season. I'd call the guy a fantastic, consistent, durable hitter, but I'd stop short of "offensive machine" until he hits better with runners on and in the post season.

PS When are you going to address your .600 for a month fable? Aesop From Boston does have a nice ring to it.

[Enigma869]

PS When are you going to address your .600 for a month fable?

Sorry dude...Research takes time. The comment was made on the radio today so I took it and ran with it. After looking into the numbers, he clearly didn't hit .600 for a month (It was only a two week stretch). The highest average he hit in any one month was actually only .374. My mistake for believing what the talking heads on the radio were putting out there.

[Saint John]

PS When are you going to address your .600 for a month fable?

Sorry dude...Research takes time. The comment was made on the radio today so I took it and ran with it. After looking into the numbers, he clearly didn't hit .600 for a month (It was only a two week stretch). The highest average he hit in any one month was actually only .374. My mistake for believing what the talking heads on the radio were putting out there.

I just had to research that because had he done it I would have considered it one of the greatest accomplishments in baseball history. That would be an amazing feat. Again, the fucker deserved the award and had an incredible year when you factor in games played, consistency, hitting down the stretch and leadership. He excelled in just about all facets of the game.

[S2M]

I can't find any stats to back that up either....but I KNOW it was that stretch when he was batting clean-up.....

[Tito]

PS When are you going to address your .600 for a month fable?

Sorry dude...Research takes time. The comment was made on the radio today so I took it and ran with it. After looking into the numbers, he clearly didn't hit .600 for a month (It was only a two week stretch). The highest average he hit in any one month was actually only .374. My mistake for believing what the talking heads on the radio were putting out there.

Just to believe that tells me you don't know much about baseball. Common sense dude. It isn't the first time you believed what the talking head said.

[Enigma869]

Just to believe that tells me you don't know much about baseball. Common sense dude. It isn't the first time you believed what the talking head said.

Go fuck yourself! You're the biggest fucking moron on this board, so don't tell me what I don't know about baseball, scumbag! I'd tell you what I really think about you, but out of respect for Drew, I'll refrain!

[Tito]

Just to believe that tells me you don't know much about baseball. Common sense dude. It isn't the first time you believed what the talking head said.

Go fuck yourself! You're the biggest fucking moron on this board, so don't tell me what I don't know about baseball, scumbag! I'd tell you what I really think about you, but out of respect for Drew, I'll refrain!

Say it. If not, PM me.

[conversationpc]

Just to believe that tells me you don't know much about baseball. Common sense dude. It isn't the first time you believed what the talking head said.

Go fuck yourself! You're the biggest fucking moron on this board, so don't tell me what I don't know about baseball, scumbag! I'd tell you what I really think about you, but out of respect for Drew, I'll refrain!

Dude, I like you but you overreact way too often.

[Enigma869]

Dude, I like you but you overreact way too often.

Your opinion, Dave. I'm not overreacting at all. Tito is a racist, homophobic, hateful, pig and I despise the fucker. He takes shots at me in many threads, and I'm simply returning the favor!

[Tito]

Dude, I like you but you overreact way too often.

Your opinion, Dave. I'm not overreacting at all. Tito is a racist, homophobic, hateful, pig and I despise the fucker. He takes shots at me in many threads, and I'm simply returning the favor!

Yeah, I started it.

[Uno_up]

The choice of the AL mvp shows that the voters are looking past HR & RBI numbers, which is a good thing.

Krod would have been a joke, he had a good year, but it was all about opportunity...Soria, Lidge and Papelbon were all better than Krod this year.

Justin Morneau had a good year, but the voters seem to love him for some reason, still trying to understand his previous mvp. His numbers are near identical to Pedroia, but at 1B versus 2B. Speaking of the Twins, Joe Mauer is just an amazing player. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he's a future mvp.

Miguel Cabrera is a nonstarter, from what you hear about his work ethic, and a liability as a defender, plus his team (Tigers) vastly underperformed.

Arod can win it every year, but when you are that good, you are often competing against your prior years as well as this year's players. With the Yankees not making the playoffs for the first time since Christ was born, he was unlikely.

Josh Hamilton's year was not strong enough to compensate for his team's play. I mean, the Rangers suck with or without him.

Kevin Youkilis is overlooked, as well. Pedroia was definitely the sparkplug...but with Ortiz out, Youkilis was the freaking man in Boston. Tough to get out. Ridiculously productive. A heart and soul type of attitude. Win at all costs. Annoying as shit to pitch to since he'll take pitches and foul off 10 solid ones. Plus Youkilis filled in at 1B and 3B with gold glove caliber defense AND one of the few guys who was able to stand up to Manny in the clubhouse


I even think you could actually argue Cliff Lee, the guy won 25% of Cleveland's games.

[Enigma869]

The choice of the AL mvp shows that the voters are looking past HR & RBI numbers, which is a good thing.

Krod would have been a joke, he had a good year, but it was all about opportunity...Soria, Lidge and Papelbon were all better than Krod this year.

Justin Morneau had a good year, but the voters seem to love him for some reason, still trying to understand his previous mvp. His numbers are near identical to Pedroia, but at 1B versus 2B. Speaking of the Twins, Joe Mauer is just an amazing player. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he's a future mvp.

Miguel Cabrera is a nonstarter, from what you hear about his work ethic, and a liability as a defender, plus his team (Tigers) vastly underperformed.

Arod can win it every year, but when you are that good, you are often competing against your prior years as well as this year's players. With the Yankees not making the playoffs for the first time since Christ was born, he was unlikely.

Josh Hamilton's year was not strong enough to compensate for his team's play. I mean, the Rangers suck with or without him.

Kevin Youkilis is overlooked, as well. Pedroia was definitely the sparkplug...but with Ortiz out, Youkilis was the freaking man in Boston. Tough to get out. Ridiculously productive. A heart and soul type of attitude. Win at all costs. Annoying as shit to pitch to since he'll take pitches and foul off 10 solid ones. Plus Youkilis filled in at 1B and 3B with gold glove caliber defense AND one of the few guys who was able to stand up to Manny in the clubhouse


I even think you could actually argue Cliff Lee, the guy won 25% of Cleveland's games.

Spot on, superb analysis dude! You easily go down as the most knowledgable Tampa Bay fan, EVER! That city doesn't deserve your baseball knowledge.

[Uno_up]

Spot on, superb analysis dude! You easily go down as the most knowledgable Tampa Bay fan, EVER! That city doesn't deserve your baseball knowledge.

Hey!!!!! Fifteen years of "playing" fantasy baseball will do it to you.

Anyways....what's with all this baseball talking nonsense??!! Does no-one care that the white house puppy search is ongoing? You people are losing your focus!!!