Bill Graham memorial concert...

[fredinator]

That was atrocious. Fucking up the lyrics to Faithfully, being up there blitzed and downtuning a whole step with an out of shape voice. Garbage.

What are you saying here? I didn't notice any fuck-ups and if he did the quality of his singing covered that up for me... You are nitpicking. I also don't know what you mean by blitzed--he doesn't appear blitzed to me and as I recall you are the only one who has said that about him. If he was blitzed, he didn't do anything embarrassing or goofy. Re downtuning--I actually thought the lower tone made the songs even more fitting for a memorial--it certainly suited Neal's guitar-playing. The whole thing was totally appropriate for what it was--grieving for someone and a wishing for comfort. Dang, it was not only done beautifully well but it was certainly dignified.

[Tomulator]

That undeniable "magic" between the three of them is EXACTLY why I no longer follow the band.

Without SP...it just isn't "magical".

THAT...was magical?

Compared to the current "lineup"...

YES.

Ahh, what do you know anyway? You're just a cat.

At least you didn't call me a "pussy"!

[donnaplease]

Fabio on keys... where was Jon Cain?

[Eric]

That undeniable "magic" between the three of them is EXACTLY why I no longer follow the band.

Without SP...it just isn't "magical".

THAT...was magical?

Compared to the current "lineup"...

YES.

No way

[Eric]

You are nitpicking.

Nitpicking is what the Perry Loons have done to this band for 13 years now. Pointing out major flaws is not nitpicking. Whenever someones says they wish Perry were still the lead singer all you have to do is show them this clip from TWENTY years ago and they go...ahhhh, I get it.

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

[Art Vandelay]

You are nitpicking.

Nitpicking is what the Perry Loons have done to this band for 13 years now. Pointing out major flaws is not nitpicking. Whenever someones says they wish Perry were still the lead singer all you have to do is show them this clip from TWENTY years ago and they go...ahhhh, I get it.

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

Again, this is not a fair comparison. Sure, his voice is no longer what it was in his prime, but this performance was a last minute, one-time thing. Even the best made car in the world is gonna sputter a bit after sitting untouched in a garage for a few years. This performance wasn't done to showcase his talents, but rather to honor a music legend.

[ChildInTime]

You are nitpicking.

Nitpicking is what the Perry Loons have done to this band for 13 years now. Pointing out major flaws is not nitpicking. Whenever someones says they wish Perry were still the lead singer all you have to do is show them this clip from TWENTY years ago and they go...ahhhh, I get it.

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

Uh...... I dunno, herbie doesn't seem like a 100% trustworthy source in my books. Like I said before, I take what he says with a very large grain of salt. I think many things he does have a *bit* of truth in them, but I also think he stretches the truth more often than not to fit his needs/grudges.

And like everyone else has said, the dude showed up for quite a short-notice thing-a-ma-bob without singing for, like, four years. That might be seen as reckless/impulsive, but it was short-notice in the first place. And given the circumstances, it wasn't a total trainwreck at all. A bit rough, yes; trainwreck, no.

[Rockindeano]

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

You must be joking? He is only honest in his own eyes, and those who like the current lineup. I would love for Steve to get brave one day, show his beak, and come out and refute all the bullshit Herbert has barfed out. It's clearer than clean glass, that Herbert despises Perry. Why SP gave him so much love at the WOF in LA is beyond me.

On another note, would this be their final appearance together? I believe it is.

[Ftloperry]

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

You must be joking? He is only honest in his own eyes, and those who like the current lineup. I would love for Steve to get brave one day, show his beak, and come out and refute all the bullshit Herbert has barfed out. It's clearer than clean glass, that Herbert despises Perry. Why SP gave him so much love at the WOF in LA is beyond me.

Deano I agree 100%.

[Art Vandelay]

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

You must be joking? He is only honest in his own eyes, and those who like the current lineup. I would love for Steve to get brave one day, show his beak, and come out and refute all the bullshit Herbert has barfed out. It's clearer than clean glass, that Herbert despises Perry. Why SP gave him so much love at the WOF in LA is beyond me.

On another note, would this be their final appearance together? I believe it is.

Aside from the WYLAW video (doesn't count, I know), yeah I believe this is their final performing appearance together.

[annpea]

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

You must be joking? He is only honest in his own eyes, and those who like the current lineup. I would love for Steve to get brave one day, show his beak, and come out and refute all the bullshit Herbert has barfed out. It's clearer than clean glass, that Herbert despises Perry. Why SP gave him so much love at the WOF in LA is beyond me.

Deano, you are so right he really need to speak up for himself and blast Herbie with his own smoking gun because Herbie doesn't seem to have a problem doing that to him any chance he gets.
On another note, would this be their final appearance together? I believe it is.

[annpea]

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

You must be joking? He is only honest in his own eyes, and those who like the current lineup. I would love for Steve to get brave one day, show his beak, and come out and refute all the bullshit Herbert has barfed out. It's clearer than clean glass, that Herbert despises Perry. Why SP gave him so much love at the WOF in LA is beyond me.

Deano, you are so right, he really need to speak up for himself and blast Herbie with his own smoking gun; because, Herbie doesn't seem to have a problem doing that to him any chance he gets.

On another note, would this be their final appearance together? I believe it is.

[Blueskies]

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

You must be joking? He is only honest in his own eyes, and those who like the current lineup. I would love for Steve to get brave one day, show his beak, and come out and refute all the bullshit Herbert has barfed out. It's clearer than clean glass, that Herbert despises Perry. Why SP gave him so much love at the WOF in LA is beyond me.

On another note, would this be their final appearance together? I believe it is.

It's called taking the high road and raising above and not acting in the same way as others, like Herbie, and refusing to bad mouth someone he probably had a great deal of admiration and probably even brother love for and probably still does. Regardless of Herbie speaking badly of him and probably feeling very hurt by it he still spoke the truth of what Herbie did for the band and seemed to, by his comments, genuinely appreciate his contributions....not only for the band but also what he did for him personally. ( even though HH wasn't self sacrificing and didn't do it all without intending to benefit himself) IMO, SP has shown nothing but grace and humility since he and the band parted ways. I admire him for it.

[Since 78]

That undeniable "magic" between the three of them is EXACTLY why I no longer follow the band.

Without SP...it just isn't "magical".

THAT...was magical?

Compared to the current "lineup"...

YES.

Ahh, what do you know anyway? You're just a cat.

At least you didn't call me a "pussy"!

Nah, you're OK!

[Don]

Fuckin' Tabby.

[Marabelle]

I think it's quite noble as well; but I feel if you can't say what you really want to say when you have the chance then is it really worthwhile to be noble and acquiesce. There are those who will proudly take the high road because it's the right thing to do and it does make the other party look as if they whine and complain all the time about you for one reason or another. And it does make you look like the brave knight. However, truly when you don't wish to take the high road but think you should; then I think it's really silly rubbish. So, why do it? I think everyone wants to be the handsome white knight in shining armor.

[Blueskies]

I think it's quite noble as well; but I feel if you can't say what you really want to say when you have the chance then is it really worthwhile to be noble and acquiesce. There are those who will proudly take the high road because it's the right thing to do and it does make the other party look as if they whine and complain all the time about you for one reason or another. And it does make you look like the brave knight. However, truly when you don't wish to take the high road but think you should; then I think it's really silly rubbish. So, why do it? I think everyone wants to be the handsome white knight in shining armor.

On the other hand, maybe he doesn't do it for appearance and isn't concerned with what others assume of him....maybe he does it for himself...simply following his own moral code.. following his own heart...following his truth.....and does it for his own peace and happiness. As far as speaking out, then thats up to him when he feels the need to...and to be silent when he doesn't and let the actions and words of others show what they will. Many times bad behavior can be readily seen by most without anyone needing to point it out. Sometimes there is more strength in being silent.

[Don]

A public pissing match at this time between Schon and Perry isn't in the interest of either party. It would be a bad time for one party or the other to get spiteful enough to start withholding permission for licensing on songs or what not. Of course Rolling Stone and other mags would be all over it.

[Since 78]

A public pissing match at this time between Schon and Perry isn't in the interest of either party. It would be a bad time for one party or the other to get spiteful enough to start withholding permission for licensing on songs or what not. Of course Rolling Stone and other mags would be all over it.

Frankly, I think it would be great! I wish Perry would just come out and say what he thinks. I know it will never happen though.

[Don]

A public pissing match at this time between Schon and Perry isn't in the interest of either party. It would be a bad time for one party or the other to get spiteful enough to start withholding permission for licensing on songs or what not. Of course Rolling Stone and other mags would be all over it.

Frankly, I think it would be great! I wish Perry would just come out and say what he thinks. I know it will never happen though.

I would love to hear it happen too. Then the steroid shots, Ross wasting all his money on blow, all the nasty stuff could be all aired out. With all the non-disclosure agreements I don't see it happening though, not to mention, it would really overshadow anything the band is doing now with Arnel.

[Blueskies]

A public pissing match at this time between Schon and Perry isn't in the interest of either party. It would be a bad time for one party or the other to get spiteful enough to start withholding permission for licensing on songs or what not. Of course Rolling Stone and other mags would be all over it.

Frankly, I think it would be great! I wish Perry would just come out and say what he thinks. I know it will never happen though.

Maybe he just doesn't want to return to past hurts and continue it to hurt those he loved and probably still has love for. Maybe he's understood, reflected on his own actions and forgiven others actions. As the adage goes...when you love someone set them free.....if they come back....

Maybe someday they will get together again...maybe not publically, but privately......and not to hurt but to show love. Sometimes love is shown, though, even over distance and with silence....sometimes there is peace in knowing and saying isn't always necessary.



Okay, I think thats all the depth this forum can handle for a day so I better get back to painting.

[Tomulator]

That undeniable "magic" between the three of them is EXACTLY why I no longer follow the band.

Without SP...it just isn't "magical".

THAT...was magical?

Compared to the current "lineup"...

YES.

No way

Way

[Tomulator]

Fuckin' Tabby.

[fredinator]

You are nitpicking.

Nitpicking is what the Perry Loons have done to this band for 13 years now. Pointing out major flaws is not nitpicking. Whenever someones says they wish Perry were still the lead singer all you have to do is show them this clip from TWENTY years ago and they go...ahhhh, I get it.

And tell me this...when has Herbie been proved to be anything but honest?

I've listened to this clip in 2 ways: the YouTube way and on my mp3 player. I don't know why but the mp3 player clip is much clearer, more stereophonic and SP sounds beautiful on it and Neal's playing is unearthly. The lyrics didn't sound messed up to me because-- they just didn't--he wasn't bumbling the words around or anything like that.

I don't know a damned thing about Herbie Herbert and SP and and Neal and neither do you. I made an observation about the beauty and dignity of this tribute; others disagreed and decided to trash not only the performance but the integrity of the performers. It made me a little mad--not a raving loonatic.

[portland]

I can't even get into this conversation anymore, it's pointless!

[fredinator]

I want to add that on my mp3 player, the name of this clip is "Album Wrap Album/Rarities CD1 of 2)." I don't know where I got it from--somebody probably posted it on here as a bootleg... Anyway, what comes across to me on this clip is Neal playing the notes and SP following along with what sounds like perfect pitch even though his voice sounds a little rusty at first perhaps. You can also hear the crowd respond to his urging better on it and that is why he shouts "Yes!" a couple of times...

P.S. Of course anytime there's a heated discussion re Perry's voice it brings in random loon comments (see above ^^^^, lol).

[annie89509]

Geeesh! It's a memorial, you guys. What's wrong with downtuning the performance? As others have said, it's very moving to see the 3 guys up there playing together....indeed, almost magical.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I can't even get into this conversation anymore, it's pointless!


I love a Perry fronted Journey...if he came back tomorrow...I would not care about the down tuning!!! Those songs are his and the ones who made them famous...end of story!

Down tuning? yeah a friend and I were joking around the other day talking about Bananarama coming out and "getting the band back together" to sing "Venus" for a Jenny Craig ad, but now they'd have deep man voices from down tuning the song so they could sing it.

[Saint John]

What are you saying here?

Grab a dictionary and look the words up if you have to. I know that, sometimes, words exceeding 5 letters can be difficult. Like ... prozac.

I didn't notice any fuck-ups

Then you need to obtain a copy of the words to Faithfully.

he didn't do anything embarrassing or goofy.

Screaming and carrying on like he was at a college pep rally seemed grossly out of place, considering the event.

Re downtuning--I actually thought the lower tone made the songs even more fitting for a memorial

Nostrildamus's antics are what should have been "downtuned." Had he focused a bit more on the lyrics and a bit less on acting like The San Diego Chicken, things may have turned out better.

[Saint John]

I would love for Steve to get brave one day show his beak, and come out and refute all the bullshit Herbert has barfed out.

That'll never happen and you know it. Herbert would blast him to Kingdom Come with nothing more than the truth. Nostrildamus hides behind the "privacy" card, lawyers and gag orders. He's never seemed like a guy adimant about doing anything more than suppressing the truth.

Why SP gave him so much love at the WOF in LA is beyond me.

Just another passive-aggressive and outward way of saying "thank you," when inwardly both he and Herbert know there's not a shred of honesty in those words. Sort of like OJ Simpson smiling and telling the Goldman and Brown families that he's gonna continue to hunt for the "real killer." Total class.