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[fredinator]

Dean, after I quit wiping my eyes from your description of the founders with their curlers and tights and tea, I'm curious: what is so wrong with impeaching Bush? I don't get that. Why can't we impeach him, Cheney and Gonzales? Why is that a bad idea? How can we go on another 1 1/2 like this? Maybe, actually, Skylorde, Barb, GI Jim, St. John, and the rest are right and we are proven wrong. It would be awesome if everything turned out okay in the mideast the way they are planning. Why does every bit of intuition and common sense tell me that it isn't going to happen that way?

[The_Noble_Cause]

EVERY NEWS PAPER and media outlet wanted to show you that WMDS were there.... wow how minds forget..

Walter Pincus of The Washington Post, had this war accurately labeled as the transparent shell game it was from day one.
So, too, did Knight-Rider Newspapers.
By and large, the mainstream press did give the war a pass and enabled Bush to go to war.
That damn liberal media!

THE BIG QUESTION should be if they were there in 1998, where did they go in 2003???

Hmm. I dunno.
Maybe U.N. Inspectors like Hans Blix and Scott Ritter were actually telling the truth when they reported there were no WMDs in the lead up to war.

[The_Noble_Cause]

1) Where did I say that we are winning the PR war?

Right here....

but I don't think "Al Qaeda is ahead by leaps and bounds in the PR war." I think they WERE, but killing Al Zarqawi, capturing that hairy fucker Khalid Sheik Mohammad and the fact that Bin Laden is either dead or too afraid to show his sorry ass has some seeing that progress is steadily being made.

[The_Noble_Cause]

3) Hard to respect the opinion of someone that can't spell "Al Qaeda." You're a jackass.

Actually, there is a multitude of ways you can spell it.
I see different varieties in print all the time.
Including: al-Qaeda, al-Qa'ida, al-Quaida.
You will also find numerous different spellings for the Muslim prophet Mohamed, as well as their holy book the Koran.

With that said, in the hustle of trying to point out your lies before you could spawn new ones, I did misspell it.
Much unlike you slimy bastards, I don’t just slap a new sheen of spin on my mistakes, I recognize and own up to them.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'd vote for a JFK era Democrat in a heartbeat. That just shows you how much both parties together have slid left on the scale.

And Hillary? She's a tried and true socialist, make no mistake about it.

Yet somehow the New Frontier/Great Deal policies of the JFK administration would not fall under your undiscriminating umbrella of all-things socialism?
Your posts read like the work of an ADHD-riddled talk radio junkie impetuously toggling the dial between Art Bell and Sean Hannity.
One part conspiracist and another part sponge-brained GOP lemming, you desperately need to finish that G.E.D. as quickly as possible.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I disagree Rick. I do believe Bush was and is fucking stupid enough to have gulped down the WMD intel. Then again, so was every presenditial candidate except Obama!

Playing fast and loose with the facts again, are we?
Three other presidential candidates also were against the war.
I can list them off-hand, but frankly, I am tired of correcting your bullshit.
Go look it up.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Frankly, I really don't care if our soldiers were water boarding FOR THE FUCK OF IT! Go watch the video of Nick Berger getting his head lopped off and then come back and tell me pink underwear as an atrocity.

Let’s think this through, who has more credibility on military affairs?
McCain, two former Chiefs of Staff, Powell, and countless other retired military leaders who want torture banned?
Or you, a schlubby, basement-dwelling webmaster of a Journey forum who’s yet to see pussy up-close in a non 2-dimensional, pixilated form?
I know whose line in the sand I’d rather be standing behind.

Faulty intelligence, a known outcome of torture, is one of the chief reasons we are in this Iraqi Gordian Knot.
Iban al Shakh al Libby claimed a strong connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda as he was torturted in one of our overseas black CIA prisons.
Colin Powell would later make a fool of himself stating this outright malarkey in front of the UN Security Council.

[fredinator]

I'm beginning to hear more and more talk on the radio regarding sacrifices the American people need to make, so here is what I think should/might happen: the draft (the great equalizer) will be reinstated for rich and poor, black/white/brown, etc., old and young, able-bodied and less able-bodied. Everyone from 18-40, male and female and described above, should be eligible. 30-40 year-olds should be assigned as administrative or support personnel; 18-29 should be tossed into all fronts in the middle east. 30-40 year-olds (the blowhards) should man computers, planes, submarines, ships, bases, etc.; this will mean that our entire front-line army will be replenished completely with new "blood." The war in the middle east would be over pretty quickly--either the blowhards will end it before it ever gets as far as them being in a submarine, or the replenishment and beefing up of the army will mop it all up faster than it is now. Win/win. I am saying this not in jest. The army has not met their recruitment targets for the last 2 months. Republicans are jittery and defecting from Bush and his administration. This army cannot and should not fight a war continuously for 5-6 years if it goes on this way. That would be immoral; more immoral than it is now.

P.S. Based on the demographics of this thread, most of the blowhards manning the submarine will be right-wing Republicans. Ready to make a sacrifice? (Barb--I know your son is in Iraq; many, many thanks to him and your family!!)

[Saint John]

Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

You should go "blow" another man. That's acceptable in your party.

[Saint John]

1) Where did I say that we are winning the PR war?

Right here....

but I don't think "Al Qaeda is ahead by leaps and bounds in the PR war." I think they WERE, but killing Al Zarqawi, capturing that hairy fucker Khalid Sheik Mohammad and the fact that Bin Laden is either dead or too afraid to show his sorry ass has some seeing that progress is steadily being made.

Not thinking that "Al Qaeda is ahead by leaps and bounds in the PR war" does NOT translate into me thinking we are winning the PR war. You're putting words in my mouth. Furthermore, the events I mentioned above were intended to illustrate that some are "seeing that progress is steadily being made."

[The_Noble_Cause]

You should go "blow" another man. That's acceptable in your party.

And for true Republicans, the kind that hold minimal government sacred, what u do in the bedroom is nobody's business.
Of course, you wouldn't know that.
You don't know what the fuck you are.
You woke up one morning with hate in your heart and so, naturally, registered as a Republican.
Half you people don't even understand what true Conservatism is all about.
Can't wait till Rudy wins and dilutes the party's brand once and for all.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Not thinking that "Al Qaeda is ahead by leaps and bounds in the PR war" does NOT translate into me thinking we are winning the PR war.

Then what are you saying?
That Al Qaeda is only slightly winning?
That the USA and Al Qaeda are in a dead heat?

Furthermore, the events I mentioned above were intended to illustrate that some are "seeing that progress is steadily being made."

Now your confusing progress from the surge millitary policy with advances made in PR.
We've barely made a dent in the anti-West media that floods Middle Eastern airwaves.
You don't know what the fuck you're babbling about.

[Saint John]

You should go "blow" another man. That's acceptable in your party.

And for true Republicans, the kind that hold minimal government sacred, what u do in the bedroom is nobody's business.
Of course, you wouldn't know that.
You don't know what the fuck you are.
You woke up one morning with hate in your heart and so, naturally, registered as a Republican.
Half you people don't even understand what true Conservatism is all about.
Can't wait till Rudy wins and dilutes the party's brand once and for all.

Hate? Me? Again, you've never met me. Ask those here that HAVE if I run around with hate in my heart. Sexually perverse behavior is EVERYONE'S business. Hence the laws against sex with animals and children. Or is that "nobody's business" too?

[Skylorde]

I'd vote for a JFK era Democrat in a heartbeat. That just shows you how much both parties together have slid left on the scale.

And Hillary? She's a tried and true socialist, make no mistake about it.

Yet somehow the New Frontier/Great Deal policies of the JFK administration would not fall under your undiscriminating umbrella of all-things socialism?
Your posts read like the work of an ADHD-riddled talk radio junkie impetuously toggling the dial between Art Bell and Sean Hannity.
One part conspiracist and another part sponge-brained GOP lemming, you desperately need to finish that G.E.D. as quickly as possible.

In comparison to what we have to choose from today? You bet I would vote for a JFK type

Your posts read like a little kid playing with his cock in the corner of the room just dying to get everyone's attention

"LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I HAVE ONE TOO!, CAN I JOIN IN?"

Whats the matter noble cause? Repeatedly defending NAMBLA wearing you down? How about it Choir boy? Stop jacking off to that poster of CHE taped to your bedroom wall with "gore certified earth friendly lube" and come back to reality.

[Skylorde]

Frankly, I really don't care if our soldiers were water boarding FOR THE FUCK OF IT! Go watch the video of Nick Berger getting his head lopped off and then come back and tell me pink underwear as an atrocity.

Let’s think this through, who has more credibility on military affairs?
McCain, two former Chiefs of Staff, Powell, and countless other retired military leaders who want torture banned?
Or you, a schlubby, basement-dwelling webmaster of a Journey forum who’s yet to see pussy up-close in a non 2-dimensional, pixilated form?
I know whose line in the sand I’d rather be standing behind.

Faulty intelligence, a known outcome of torture, is one of the chief reasons we are in this Iraqi Gordian Knot.
Iban al Shakh al Libby claimed a strong connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda as he was torturted in one of our overseas black CIA prisons.
Colin Powell would later make a fool of himself stating this outright malarkey in front of the UN Security Council.

McCain?? OMFG now I know you are delusional. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH that's the funniest post I've read in this thread yet! Yea, I trust McCain. Just like I trust Ted Kennedy driving with my daughter...on a bridge over water no less.

[Saint John]

Not thinking that "Al Qaeda is ahead by leaps and bounds in the PR war" does NOT translate into me thinking we are winning the PR war.

Then what are you saying?
That Al Qaeda is only slightly winning?
That the USA and Al Qaeda are in a dead heat?

Furthermore, the events I mentioned above were intended to illustrate that some are "seeing that progress is steadily being made."

Now your confusing progress from the surge millitary policy with advances made in PR.
We've barely made a dent in the anti-West media that floods Middle Eastern airwaves.
You don't know what the fuck you're babbling about.

The people of the Middle East hate us NO less now than they have over the last oh....several hundred years. Thousands if you trace back to Europe. Anyway, the fact that they can DO something about that hatred on a much larger scale has only come about because the Clinton administration was asleep while these guys were running training camps right in front of everyone to see. There's even video to prove it. He is said to have laughed when he saw it. Real funny.

[conversationpc]

Like Dubbya, his aw-shucks everyman routine is invoked strictly for personal/political gain.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200705040001

Glenn Beck is the only talk show host I trust much at all. Besides that, Media Matters is about as unbiased and as truthfully accurate as a supermarket tabloid.

Attention to Terrorism: Clinton Administration

P 174: President Clinton "deeply concerned" about Osama Bin Ladin.
P 101: President Clinton makes chemical, biological, and nuclear terrorism a priority.
P 109: Clinton Administration establishes "the Bin Ladin unit."
P 358: Clinton Administration's management of the last weeks of December 1999 was "the one period in which the government as a whole seemed to be acting in concert to deal with terrorism."
P 487: Clinton Administration successful in arresting al Qaeda members.
P 457: Richard Clarke runs exercise where terrorists use plane for suicide mission.

Addendum: Clinton administration so concerned about terrorism and Al Qaeda that they pass up the chance to get Bin Laden on a silver platter when offered by Sudan.

[gtrplr1960]

This is to my buddy Deano, I'm Sorry I missed your posts last night. It surprises me that you can take time away from your gay porno to share some ideas with us. I don't care that you hate me. Your opinions are wrong and you have a weak vocabulary. Ever try to make a statement without cussing.

By the way, I'm expecting you to show up in Roanoke Virginia on July 28th to show up my tribute band. I assume you already have your plane tickets and you've made your travel plans. Don't disappoint me.

[Red13JoePa]

Your posts read like a little kid playing with his cock in the corner of the room just dying to get everyone's attention

"LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I HAVE ONE TOO!, CAN I JOIN IN?"

Inaccurate read on TheNobleCause.
Read his posts, don't read them he doesn't care, the guy's not an attention seeker.

[conversationpc]

This is to my buddy Deano, I'm Sorry I missed your posts last night. It surprises me that you can take time away from your gay porno to share some ideas with us. I don't care that you hate me. Your opinions are wrong and you have a weak vocabulary. Ever try to make a statement without cussing.

Take a hike. If you want to post something personal to Deano, then send him a PM.

[conversationpc]

Inaccurate read on TheNobleCause.
Read his posts, don't read them he doesn't care, the guy's not an attention seeker.

I loathe TNC's politics, but you're right on the money.

[gtrplr1960]

It's really not personal.

[lights1961]

I am finally done with posting in this thread...we wont change your minds, you wont change mine!!! LOL

[Barb]

I am finally done with posting in this thread...we wont change your minds, you wont change mine!!! LOL

I'm sticking around to find out why Dean likes everyone else, but I piss him off.

[Rockindeano]

Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

You should go "blow" another man. That's acceptable in your party.

That's your overnight prepared comeback? Sowhat if a guy wants to blow another guy. Does that really bother you? What if a woman wants to eat out another woman? Is that a republican likeness? No, your party doesn't want any fun to be had. Hell, keep restricting free speech, right to choose and evoke executive privelidge whenever things get tight in Washington. The Democrats are clearly the party of the people, and the GOP is the party of the old, boring and rich. Congratulations.

PS, wasn't Mark Foley, the esteemed gentleman from Florida, a REPUBLICAN, blowing and fucking paiges? I rest my case.

[Rockindeano]

The people of the Middle East hate us NO less now than they have over the last oh....several hundred years. Thousands if you trace back to Europe. Anyway, the fact that they can DO something about that hatred on a much larger scale has only come about because the Clinton administration was asleep while these guys were running training camps right in front of everyone to see. There's even video to prove it. He is said to have laughed when he saw it. Real funny.

Did Sean and Karl tell you this? Bill Clinton did not laugh at Al Qaeda videos you idiot.

Secondly, you need to get out of Illinois, travel a little, see that there is more to Chicag, Champaign and Peoria. Isolationism is a closed way of thinking. America's strength has always lied in it's alllies. Sadly, we have flushed them away and really do not have friends in the world, and if you think or one minute we don't need allies, you need togoto school and turn off the EIB radio network for a bit.

[Skylorde]

Inaccurate read on TheNobleCause.
Read his posts, don't read them he doesn't care, the guy's not an attention seeker.

I loathe TNC's politics, but you're right on the money.

Perhaps. Since this my first spar with him, I'll retract based on that.

[NealIsGod]

Inaccurate read on TheNobleCause.
Read his posts, don't read them he doesn't care, the guy's not an attention seeker.

I loathe TNC's politics, but you're right on the money.

Perhaps. Since this my first spar with him, I'll retract based on that.

No better wordsmith on this site then TNC. Glad to have him back.

[Rockindeano]

Go to Dictionary.com and sign up for "word of the Day" to be sent to your email box. I have learned a great many words, but hard to fit them into the Melodicrock Forums.

TNC is a smart fucker, but I can take him..I think.

[lights1961]

Go to Dictionary.com and sign up for "word of the Day" to be sent to your email box. I have learned a great many words, but hard to fit them into the Melodicrock Forums.

TNC is a smart fucker, but I can take him..I think.

agree... TNC is one smart dude! no dictionary words can explain what the hell goes down here!! I bet Drew cant even explain it!!!

oops, I just went back on my word about posting on this thread.

Rick