OT: Has McCain Thrown in the Towel?

[csiako]

Barack Obama opposed the Iraq War, and opposed it from the beginning. John McCain supported the surge and, unlike his President, supported it years before it was implemented

Prove it.
Nothing in that article establishes what you claim.
In fact, according to this fact checking website, McCain's claim as the progenitor of the Surge is, (much like his reputation as a party-bucking maverick), little more than hype.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/278/

ooh that website has a link to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/630/

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmVW-4sc6U <-- check this out

Ok. I'll grant it. That's one out of three.
Save ur breath about his one man earmark slashing crusade.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-che ... rmark.html

[The_Noble_Cause]

ooh that website has a link to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/630/

At least they acknowledge the vote in question.
If he's going to be ostensibly against torture while actually condoning it, he's no diff. than Bush,

[csiako]

ooh that website has a link to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/630/

At least they acknowledge the vote in question.
If he's going to be ostensibly against torture while actually condoning it, he's no diff. than Bush,

where did he condone it?

[csiako]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmVW-4sc6U <-- check this out

Ok. I'll grant it. That's one out of three.
Save ur breath about his one man earmark slashing crusade.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-che ... rmark.html

uhh.. that site never said anything about mccain is for earmark.. the only case they are making is that the money saving is not 100billion but only 10 billion...

[The_Noble_Cause]

where did he condone it?

You win.
Despite his admitted claims of voting with George Bush 90% of the time, clearly McCain is the original maverick.
He hasn't changed one iota.

[csiako]

where did he condone it?

You win.
Despite his admitted claims of voting with George Bush 90% of the time, clearly McCain is the original maverick.
He hasn't changed one iota.

i will admit a lot of Bush policies are the same as McCain but IMO McCain will implement those policies differently.
there is more than one way to skin a cat

[Spring Is BACK]

where did he condone it?

You win.
Despite his admitted claims of voting with George Bush 90% of the time, clearly McCain is the original maverick.
He hasn't changed one iota.

i will admit a lot of Bush policies are the same as McCain but IMO McCain will implement those policies differently.
there is more than one way to skin a cat

Hello, everyone: This is my 1st post on this forum, and I'm too busy most of the time to post often. I'm here because my wife is a Filipina, and a fan of Arnel, of course!
I like Journey too, though I can't say I'm a "big fan." But, my wife calls me over to the computer often to see what people are posting. I see some of the most amazing
statements here, and finally decided to toss in my 2 cents worth.

So... Some more issues on which McCain differs with Bush:

Global warming. (Bush has shifted on this one recently, to be closer to McCain's position.)
Drilling in (specifically) ANWR (Palin may well change McCain's mind on this. We shall see.)
Campaign Finance Reform. (Yes, Bush signed the bill, but, he opposed it.)
Federal Funding of Stem Cell Research.
Federal Spending. (Bush likes to say he is a fiscal conservative, however, his record is anything but.)

Shall I continue?

I'd also point out that the vast majority of Senate votes are by "acclamation", and if you factor in Sen. Obama's propensity for "present" votes,
his percentage of "voting with Bush" would probably be quite alarming to many of his supporters. However, about 5% of the votes are actually
the ones that matter, so, it is those that one has to focus on.

[Eric]

There are a LOT of experts who think her speech was over-the-top and predictable. You just have to be watching something other than Fox - where they actually have representation from BOTH parties.

Like D.L. Hughley and Jessie the Body on Larry King saying it reminded them of the Nazi party???

I wonder if that 2 bit comedian knows what the Nazi's actually did?

[conversationpc]

There are a LOT of experts who think her speech was over-the-top and predictable. You just have to be watching something other than Fox - where they actually have representation from BOTH parties.

Like D.L. Hughley and Jessie the Body on Larry King saying it reminded them of the Nazi party???

I wonder if that 2 bit comedian knows what the Nazi's actually did?

Ventura is a moron. He subcribes to that 9-11 Truther bullcrap.

[RedWingFan]

Barack Obama opposed the Iraq War, and opposed it from the beginning. John McCain supported the surge and, unlike his President, supported it years before it was implemented

Prove it.
Nothing in that article establishes what you claim.
In fact, according to this fact checking website, McCain's claim as the progenitor of the Surge is, much like his reputation as a maverick, little more than hype.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/278/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmVW-4sc6U <-- check this out

Ah, how great. Keith Overbite showing himself to be the horse's ass that he is. 100% wrong dumb ass. Go back to Sportscenter where your at least barely palatable. What a loser.

[Monker]

Even if Iraq had WMD's, they were STILL no threat to the US. They were a threat to Iran and the middle east, not the US. It is absolute bullshit to argue otherwise.

On 9-10 that was true, but on 9-12 and after it wasn't.

What an ignorant statement. Iraq had no designs on attacking the US. They were no threat to us - AT ALL. If Sadam had a nuclear bombs, he'd start another war with Iran - not the US. THEY were his enemy. Before Kuwait, they were OUR FRIEND!

The 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and trained in Afghanistan. Iraq was not involved.

Hmm, wonder why we didn't attack Saudi Arabia? That would have made more sense then Iraq!

[Monker]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

[Monker]

yup. but hes the one who pushed for the surge.. in fact john edwards called it the mccain doctrine.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fw6s79b ... re=related

Show me he supported it before Bush made the pitch.

http://www.theamericanscene.com/2008/06 ... ld-you-sos

Barack Obama opposed the Iraq War, and opposed it from the beginning. John McCain supported the surge and, unlike his President, supported it years before it was implemented

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmVW-4sc6U

And, on those two issues - they were both right.

[RedWingFan]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

Did you miss this part?
"And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience..."
They were bagging on her service and they responded in kind.

[Rick]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

Yep, and this just after Obama protected Palin about her unwed 17 year old daughter being pregnant.

[conversationpc]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

Yep, and this just after Obama protected Palin about her unwed 17 year old daughter being pregnant.

To be fair, they've beliitled her on other issues and the "community organizer" comments are valid since they relate to his supposed "experience".

[RedWingFan]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

Yep, and this just after Obama protected Palin about her unwed 17 year old daughter being pregnant.

Dude, Obama sends his campaign out to cut her down, then he makes a statement like he's taking the high ground. Don't be naive. I'm sure it goes both ways.

[Rick]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

Yep, and this just after Obama protected Palin about her unwed 17 year old daughter being pregnant.

Dude, Obama sends his campaign out to cut her down, then he makes a statement like he's taking the high ground. Don't be naive. I'm sure it goes both ways.

I'd sure like to see what you right wingers would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old unwed daughter in such a situation.

[Barb]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

Yep, and this just after Obama protected Palin about her unwed 17 year old daughter being pregnant.

Dude, Obama sends his campaign out to cut her down, then he makes a statement like he's taking the high ground. Don't be naive. I'm sure it goes both ways.

I'd sure like to see what you right wingers would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old unwed daughter in such a situation.

She would have an abortion. He said himself if his girls made a mistake, he wouldn't want them punished with a baby. Hell, we'd never know about it.

[Uno_up]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

Yep, and this just after Obama protected Palin about her unwed 17 year old daughter being pregnant.

Dude, Obama sends his campaign out to cut her down, then he makes a statement like he's taking the high ground. Don't be naive. I'm sure it goes both ways.

I'd sure like to see what you right wingers would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old unwed daughter in such a situation.

Rick...anyone could have had an out of wedlock baby, many of us were sexually active at 17...you really blame her mother?

[conversationpc]

I'd sure like to see what you right wingers would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old unwed daughter in such a situation.

Excuse me? Have you ever seen me attack a politician's family on this forum? Don't lump me in with that crowd.

[Rick]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Comments like this, belittling 'community organizer', are extremely hypocritical. On a day where they theme was "Country First", Obama serving his community should have been praised. Instead it was ridiculted and booed by the crowd.

I guess you can only put "Country First" if you are a Republican.

Yep, and this just after Obama protected Palin about her unwed 17 year old daughter being pregnant.

Dude, Obama sends his campaign out to cut her down, then he makes a statement like he's taking the high ground. Don't be naive. I'm sure it goes both ways.

I'd sure like to see what you right wingers would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old unwed daughter in such a situation.

Rick...anyone could have had an out of wedlock baby, many of us were sexually active at 17...you really blame her mother?

No, you missed my point.

[Rick]

I'd sure like to see what you right wingers would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old unwed daughter in such a situation.

Excuse me? Have you ever seen me attack a politician's family on this forum? Don't lump me in with that crowd.

I was speaking to the right wingers in general, and since when did you consider yourself a right winger?

[Barb]

I'd sure like to see what you right wingers would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old unwed daughter in such a situation.

Excuse me? Have you ever seen me attack a politician's family on this forum? Don't lump me in with that crowd.

I was speaking to the right wingers in general, and since when did you consider yourself a right winger?

Are you kiddin' me? Dave and I are long time card carrying members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!

[The_Noble_Cause]

She would have an abortion. He said himself if his girls made a mistake, he wouldn't want them punished with a baby. Hell, we'd never know about it.

Uhh, he was talking about handling sexual matters with young people in general when he made that comment.
Maybe if Palin facilitated such discussion with her family, her daughter wouldn't be knocked up.

[Rick]

I'd sure like to see what you right wingers would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old unwed daughter in such a situation.

Excuse me? Have you ever seen me attack a politician's family on this forum? Don't lump me in with that crowd.

I was speaking to the right wingers in general, and since when did you consider yourself a right winger?

Are you kiddin' me? Dave and I are long time card carrying members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!

The Evil Conservatives.

[7 Wishes]

I don't know about this forum, but you can BE ASSURED the TV disinfotainers would be FEASTING on it...perhaps with none-to-subtle inferences about their disdain for African-Americnas. In fact, the Three Buffoons - Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Reilly - have been caught on tape berating Hillary Clinton's supposed electability. Their reasons? Her inexperience, mainly. Beck in particular claimed Clinton would have to "hide behind her apron strings" in a debate with McCain. Now these same lard-assed hypocrites are accusing the media of a liberal bias in their reporting on Palin's political career and personal life. Yet which politician has ever escaped this scrutiny? None. It's certainly the business of the American voter to know whether or not she abused her power while in office, if it's relevant that Bill Clinton got a blowjob from his secretary. If it turns out she did attempt to force the Commissioner to terminate her ex brother-in-law and then lied about it, she is no better than Clinton.

[Since 78]

She would have an abortion. He said himself if his girls made a mistake, he wouldn't want them punished with a baby. Hell, we'd never know about it.

Uhh, he was talking about handling sexual matters with young people in general when he made that comment.
Maybe if Palin facilitated such discussion with her family, her daughter wouldn't be knocked up.

Have you had to deal with this issue personally? As in with your Daughter?

[Barb]

She would have an abortion. He said himself if his girls made a mistake, he wouldn't want them punished with a baby. Hell, we'd never know about it.

Uhh, he was talking about handling sexual matters with young people in general when he made that comment.
Maybe if Palin facilitated such discussion with her family, her daughter wouldn't be knocked up.

Uhhh... have YOU ever raised a teenager? I am raising two right now. My own daughter will be 17 this month. She has every piece of information out there and has been taught our value system since birth. However, I know that if she decides to have sex, there's not a damn thing I can do about it. Teenagers are not diligent about being careful either.