the perry channel

[squirt1]

Nora- I noticed noses and sound yrs ago. It just had to be. Do you think it is southern Europeans or mostly Italians? I saw it with Perry.Tony Bennet, Frankie Valli, Dennis DeYoung and especially Freddie Cursi ( Alias & Sherrif). Check out those Cursi YouTubes and Andrew said they have a new album this month. Then Lou Gramm is really Lou Grammiticao and Steven Tyler is Steven Tallirico. He is also part Cherokee which is also in the voice. Please give me your opinion.

[Peartree12249]

We'll agree to disagree. I think Arnel kicked Perry's ass everywhere on any version of "Open Arms" I've heard. Perry's version was pussified, whereas Arnel adds some muscle to it. Live recordings, he demonstrates far greater technical skills on "Only the Young."

Honestly, having listened to Perry's FtLoSM OTY and comparing it to Arnel's, I really don't know how you all think it remotely compares. Then again, I think some of you believe Perry's White Sox rendition of DSB was better than anything Arnel has sang, too. Or on par.

Personally, I think simply because it's Steve Perry, half of you think that the sound of him shitting is more appealing than the best efforts of professional vocalists abroad. I don't get it.

But that's the beauty of opinion.

LMAO Well I certainly don't think the White Sox version of DSB is better than AP's version, and since I've never heard SP take a dump, I can't say how melodic his BMs may actually be. However, I have to agree with the majority here. I think AP is a very talented singer, and I'm happy that he is with Journey. I think he's doing a great job. However I don't think at his age and stage of his career, that his voice or presentation style will improve much. And I don't think that ANYONE kicks Steve Perry's ass ever. It's just a personal opinion. You're entitled to your own.

[Deb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeoGyv1CXM8 - the Perry loon

My loonage definitely shows when it comes to that one.....good gawd the man gives great motown! One of my faves from Street Talk.

[Jana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeoGyv1CXM8 - the Perry loon

My loonage definitely shows when it comes to that one.....good gawd the man gives great motown! One of my faves from Street Talk.

That's one of my favorites, high on the list of my dream setlist we had on here.

[annie89509]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

[no1uknow]

Hands down Perry wins in performance, vocals and even looks. I've been to a concert with Arnel singing and was not impressed at all. Yeah, at least Journey can still go out and do shows to keep the music alive for the old and newer generations but they could have done a lot better than AP. I saw them with JSS and was blown away. AP can't hold a candle to him either.

[NealIsGod]

Hands down Perry wins in performance, vocals and even looks. I've been to a concert with Arnel singing and was not impressed at all. Yeah, at least Journey can still go out and do shows to keep the music alive for the old and newer generations but they could have done a lot better than AP. I saw them with JSS and was blown away. AP can't hold a candle to him either.

True dat.

[TRAGChick]

Nora- I noticed noses and sound yrs ago. It just had to be. Do you think it is southern Europeans or mostly Italians? I saw it with Perry.Tony Bennet, Frankie Valli, Dennis DeYoung and especially Freddie Cursi ( Alias & Sherrif). Check out those Cursi YouTubes and Andrew said they have a new album this month. Then Lou Gramm is really Lou Grammiticao and Steven Tyler is Steven Tallirico. He is also part Cherokee which is also in the voice. Please give me your opinion.

Hey there....

I think a Singer could be from anywhere - the prime "go-to" example is Barbra Streisand.....I mean, can you imagine her with any other physical traits?

I learned about all of that when I studied Voice - my Coach told me all about the "connections".....makes perfect sense.

[Gideon]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

[Peartree12249]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Gideon, I just watched the clip posted by annie of SP singing OA and AP singing OA in Chile. I think that AP's version is quite a bit more dramatic than SP's. I'm not saying that SP is never dramatic, but he's an emotional guy. For me, that what makes him so compelling as a singer. When I hear him sing I don't just hear a great voice, I feel the emotion of the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUWJ8bf09BU

[Jubilee]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Example, please.

[Deb]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Dramatic? Are u kidding? That's called emoting. Love it when a vocalist throws all his blood, sweat and tears into delivering a song.

When you can see they are almost spent by the end of the song, that's called delivering a song with everything ya got. Sorry Gidman, but most of us gals love it when a vocalist throws down a song with feeling. Funny how it's your main complaint, and yet one of my favorite things.

My faves, doing what they do best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ Perry - Still They Ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W3NKWXIiVE JSS - Broken Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4 EM - Two of a kind

[Gideon]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Example, please.

During that version, Perry kept stretching the notes past what they should have been: "so here I aaaaaam with open aaaaaarms" being one that stood out. It's much like Arnel's tendancy to stretch out the lyric "the road ain't no place to start a family" during "Faithfully."

I am extremely critical when the vocalists are great, except Perry has no excuse. He was better than Arnel and his native language was English, so I tolerate less from him.

Edit: Deb, "emoting" is great. And Perry can do it without resorting to Vegas-class theatrics and stretching out the notes until the point that they become distracting. There is a thing as overdoing it, and I'm not a fan of it.

Ironically, the JSS one you quoted does not demonstrate overdoing it. He knows his limits and doesn't overdo it to the point that he momentarily fucks up the flow of the song. Great vocal.

[Michigan Girl]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Dramatic? Are u kidding? That's called emoting. Love it when a vocalist throws all his blood, sweat and tears into delivering a song.

When you can see they are almost spent by the end of the song, that's called delivering a song with everything ya got. Sorry Gidman, but most of us gals love it when a vocalist throws down a song with feeling. Funny how it's your main complaint, and yet one of my favorite things.

My faves, doing what they do best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ Perry - Still They Ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W3NKWXIiVE JSS - Broken Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4 EM - Two of a kind

Me too, Deb.....Great Visual aids!!!

[Deb]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Dramatic? Are u kidding? That's called emoting. Love it when a vocalist throws all his blood, sweat and tears into delivering a song.

When you can see they are almost spent by the end of the song, that's called delivering a song with everything ya got. Sorry Gidman, but most of us gals love it when a vocalist throws down a song with feeling. Funny how it's your main complaint, and yet one of my favorite things.

My faves, doing what they do best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ Perry - Still They Ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W3NKWXIiVE JSS - Broken Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4 EM - Two of a kind

Me too, Deb.....Great Visual aids!!!

Why thankya darlin. Enjoyed watching them again too......but I thought poor EM was going to pop a blood vessel there at the end.

[Esc]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

im glad that gideon shares my thoughts on this too.
he does over react.

Hands down Perry wins in performance, vocals and even looks. I've been to a concert with Arnel singing and was not impressed at all. Yeah, at least Journey can still go out and do shows to keep the music alive for the old and newer generations but they could have done a lot better than AP. I saw them with JSS and was blown away. AP can't hold a candle to him either.

id have to disagree on this one.
just because jss is 6foot3 and pineda is a foot shorter doesnt mean the former is better.
its all about the music for me.
we'll its just a matter of preferrence i guess.

but if someone should post a poll about whos the best vocal performer for journey, id say the list would look like this:

perry
pineda
augeri
jss

im sorry, i couldnt recall the other singers. too young i guess.

[annie89509]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Example, please.

During that version, Perry kept stretching the notes past what they should have been: "so here I aaaaaam with open aaaaaarms" being one that stood out. It's much like Arnel's tendancy to stretch out the lyric "the road ain't no place to start a family" during "Faithfully."

I am extremely critical when the vocalists are great, except Perry has no excuse. He was better than Arnel and his native language was English, so I tolerate less from him.

Edit: Deb, "emoting" is great. And Perry can do it without resorting to Vegas-class theatrics and stretching out the notes until the point that they become distracting. There is a thing as overdoing it, and I'm not a fan of it.

Ironically, the JSS one you quoted does not demonstrate overdoing it. He knows his limits and doesn't overdo it to the point that he momentarily fucks up the flow of the song. Great vocal.

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

[escapefan]

Bottom line is we all know what we like ourselves... Me, I will take Perry any day over Arnel... But everyone is entitled to their opinion...

[Ehwmatt]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Example, please.

During that version, Perry kept stretching the notes past what they should have been: "so here I aaaaaam with open aaaaaarms" being one that stood out. It's much like Arnel's tendancy to stretch out the lyric "the road ain't no place to start a family" during "Faithfully."

I am extremely critical when the vocalists are great, except Perry has no excuse. He was better than Arnel and his native language was English, so I tolerate less from him.

Edit: Deb, "emoting" is great. And Perry can do it without resorting to Vegas-class theatrics and stretching out the notes until the point that they become distracting. There is a thing as overdoing it, and I'm not a fan of it.

Ironically, the JSS one you quoted does not demonstrate overdoing it. He knows his limits and doesn't overdo it to the point that he momentarily fucks up the flow of the song. Great vocal.

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

That is a big-time cop-out going to his age like that. He's got his opinion and it's not any more wrong than yours... maybe not as popular, but it's what he prefers. Aren't you a relatively new Journey fan? He's probably been listening as long as you, if not longer...

[Gideon]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

[Michigan Girl]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

Oh, for the love of god.....!!

[Gideon]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

Oh, for the love of god.....!!

Problem?

[Since 78]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

[Gideon]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

If I came off as pretentious, it wasn't my intent. It's just rather stupid to lecture someone on ignorance bred from their young age and then act even younger than the person you're lecturing.

No offense, but it shouldn't have ever gotten to that point.

Water under the bridge, though.

[artist4perry]

Giddy, the ladies love his emotional delivery of a song. The good thing for a guy like you, is if your lady is turned on by this emotional delivery, it is a win, win for you. And we ladies are not going to agree with you on this. Everything is not a black and white right or wrong. Music drives the emotions and the heart. Because it is not your peice of pie doesn't mean some of the rest of us are not enticed to devour the pie with gusto!

[Gideon]

Giddy, the ladies love his emotional delivery of a song. The good thing for a guy like you, is if your lady is turned on by this emotional delivery, it is a win, win for you. And we ladies are not going to agree with you on this. Everything is not a black and white right or wrong. Music drives the emotions and the heart. Because it is not your peice of pie doesn't mean some of the rest of us are not enticed to devour the pie with gusto!

And I recognize that. Far be it from me to try to change your opinion, but in mine, Perry would act like some hack on a daytime soap opera. His job is to sing, not to act. I believe his theatrics damaged his delivery more than helped it; his voice was enough that by simply singing, he could emote fantastically.

[artist4perry]

Giddy, the ladies love his emotional delivery of a song. The good thing for a guy like you, is if your lady is turned on by this emotional delivery, it is a win, win for you. And we ladies are not going to agree with you on this. Everything is not a black and white right or wrong. Music drives the emotions and the heart. Because it is not your peice of pie doesn't mean some of the rest of us are not enticed to devour the pie with gusto!

And I recognize that. Far be it from me to try to change your opinion, but in mine, Perry would act like some hack on a daytime soap opera. His job is to sing, not to act. I believe his theatrics damaged his delivery more than helped it; his voice was enough that by simply singing, he could emote fantastically.

I'll take it though.............girls love the delivery. He has always had a way with his stage performance for the ladies. It would be like the difference between a woman singing a sexy song just standing there, or moving provocatively and in a sexy voice.

You don't have to care for it, but ask my husband, he is the recipiant of the effects of Perry's style on me.

[Michigan Girl]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

Oh, for the love of god.....!!

Problem?

I've heard that retort!!!
I'm pretty sure the teenager comment was a joke....but Annie will have to verify!!

[Gideon]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

Oh, for the love of god.....!!

Problem?

I've heard that retort!!!
I'm pretty sure the teenager comment was a joke....but Annie will have to verify!!

Indeed. And if it is, I'll apologize. But because I recognize that nuance can't be read into text with accuracy, I took the statement at face-value.

[Michigan Girl]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

Oh, for the love of god.....!!

Problem?

I've heard that retort!!!
I'm pretty sure the teenager comment was a joke....but Annie will have to verify!!

Indeed. And if it is, I'll apologize. But because I recognize that nuance can't be read into text with accuracy, I took the statement at face-value.

and if it isn't, I won't....
j/k...