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Gideon wrote:We'll agree to disagree. I think Arnel kicked Perry's ass everywhere on any version of "Open Arms" I've heard. Perry's version was pussified, whereas Arnel adds some muscle to it. Live recordings, he demonstrates far greater technical skills on "Only the Young."
Honestly, having listened to Perry's FtLoSM OTY and comparing it to Arnel's, I really don't know how you all think it remotely compares. Then again, I think some of you believe Perry's White Sox rendition of DSB was better than anything Arnel has sang, too. Or on par.
Personally, I think simply because it's Steve Perry, half of you think that the sound of him shitting is more appealing than the best efforts of professional vocalists abroad. I don't get it.
But that's the beauty of opinion.
Deb wrote:
My loonage definitely shows when it comes to that one.....good gawd the man gives great motown! One of my faves from Street Talk.
no1uknow wrote:Hands down Perry wins in performance, vocals and even looks. I've been to a concert with Arnel singing and was not impressed at all. Yeah, at least Journey can still go out and do shows to keep the music alive for the old and newer generations but they could have done a lot better than AP. I saw them with JSS and was blown away. AP can't hold a candle to him either.
squirt1 wrote:Nora- I noticed noses and sound yrs ago. It just had to be. Do you think it is southern Europeans or mostly Italians? I saw it with Perry.Tony Bennet, Frankie Valli, Dennis DeYoung and especially Freddie Cursi ( Alias & Sherrif). Check out those Cursi YouTubes and Andrew said they have a new album this month. Then Lou Gramm is really Lou Grammiticao and Steven Tyler is Steven Tallirico. He is also part Cherokee which is also in the voice. Please give me your opinion.
annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
Jubilee wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
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Example, please.
Deb wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
Dramatic? Are u kidding? That's called emoting. Love it when a vocalist throws all his blood, sweat and tears into delivering a song.
When you can see they are almost spent by the end of the song, that's called delivering a song with everything ya got. Sorry Gidman, but most of us gals love it when a vocalist throws down a song with feeling. Funny how it's your main complaint, and yet one of my favorite things.![]()
My faves, doing what they do best.![]()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ Perry - Still They Ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W3NKWXIiVE JSS - Broken Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4 EM - Two of a kind
Michigan Girl wrote:Deb wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
Dramatic? Are u kidding? That's called emoting. Love it when a vocalist throws all his blood, sweat and tears into delivering a song.
When you can see they are almost spent by the end of the song, that's called delivering a song with everything ya got. Sorry Gidman, but most of us gals love it when a vocalist throws down a song with feeling. Funny how it's your main complaint, and yet one of my favorite things.![]()
My faves, doing what they do best.![]()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ Perry - Still They Ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W3NKWXIiVE JSS - Broken Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4 EM - Two of a kind
Me too, Deb.....Great Visual aids!!!
Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
no1uknow wrote:Hands down Perry wins in performance, vocals and even looks. I've been to a concert with Arnel singing and was not impressed at all. Yeah, at least Journey can still go out and do shows to keep the music alive for the old and newer generations but they could have done a lot better than AP. I saw them with JSS and was blown away. AP can't hold a candle to him either.
Gideon wrote:Jubilee wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
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Example, please.
During that version, Perry kept stretching the notes past what they should have been: "so here I aaaaaam with open aaaaaarms" being one that stood out. It's much like Arnel's tendancy to stretch out the lyric "the road ain't no place to start a family" during "Faithfully."
I am extremely critical when the vocalists are great, except Perry has no excuse. He was better than Arnel and his native language was English, so I tolerate less from him.
Edit: Deb, "emoting" is great. And Perry can do it without resorting to Vegas-class theatrics and stretching out the notes until the point that they become distracting. There is a thing as overdoing it, and I'm not a fan of it.
Ironically, the JSS one you quoted does not demonstrate overdoing it. He knows his limits and doesn't overdo it to the point that he momentarily fucks up the flow of the song. Great vocal.
annie89509 wrote:Gideon wrote:Jubilee wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg
Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.
I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.
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Example, please.
During that version, Perry kept stretching the notes past what they should have been: "so here I aaaaaam with open aaaaaarms" being one that stood out. It's much like Arnel's tendancy to stretch out the lyric "the road ain't no place to start a family" during "Faithfully."
I am extremely critical when the vocalists are great, except Perry has no excuse. He was better than Arnel and his native language was English, so I tolerate less from him.
Edit: Deb, "emoting" is great. And Perry can do it without resorting to Vegas-class theatrics and stretching out the notes until the point that they become distracting. There is a thing as overdoing it, and I'm not a fan of it.
Ironically, the JSS one you quoted does not demonstrate overdoing it. He knows his limits and doesn't overdo it to the point that he momentarily fucks up the flow of the song. Great vocal.
I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
annie89509 wrote:I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?
Michigan Girl wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?
Oh, for the love of god.....!!![]()
Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?
Since 78 wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?
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artist4perry wrote:Giddy, the ladies love his emotional delivery of a song. The good thing for a guy like you, is if your lady is turned on by this emotional delivery, it is a win, win for you. And we ladies are not going to agree with you on this. Everything is not a black and white right or wrong. Music drives the emotions and the heart. Because it is not your peice of pie doesn't mean some of the rest of us are not enticed to devour the pie with gusto!![]()
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Gideon wrote:artist4perry wrote:Giddy, the ladies love his emotional delivery of a song. The good thing for a guy like you, is if your lady is turned on by this emotional delivery, it is a win, win for you. And we ladies are not going to agree with you on this. Everything is not a black and white right or wrong. Music drives the emotions and the heart. Because it is not your peice of pie doesn't mean some of the rest of us are not enticed to devour the pie with gusto!![]()
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And I recognize that. Far be it from me to try to change your opinion, but in mine, Perry would act like some hack on a daytime soap opera. His job is to sing, not to act. I believe his theatrics damaged his delivery more than helped it; his voice was enough that by simply singing, he could emote fantastically.
Gideon wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?
Oh, for the love of god.....!!![]()
Problem?
Michigan Girl wrote:Gideon wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?
Oh, for the love of god.....!!![]()
Problem?
I've heard that retort!!!
I'm pretty sure the teenager comment was a joke....but Annie will have to verify!!
Gideon wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Gideon wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Gideon wrote:annie89509 wrote:I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.
You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?
Oh, for the love of god.....!!![]()
Problem?
I've heard that retort!!!
I'm pretty sure the teenager comment was a joke....but Annie will have to verify!!
Indeed. And if it is, I'll apologize. But because I recognize that nuance can't be read into text with accuracy, I took the statement at face-value.
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