THE BULLSHIT STOPS HERE - ALL READ PLEASE

[treetopovskaya]

what is considered "baiting"? some people here seem to have the bait card thrown at them because someone doesn't agree with their opinion. just because someone has a different point of view & way of seeing things doesn't mean they're baiting.

maybe i'm just naive.

[DarwinNebraska]

I said this months ago.

[Playitloudforme]

what is considered "baiting"? some people here seem to have the bait card thrown at them because someone doesn't agree with their opinion. just because someone has a different point of view & way of seeing things doesn't mean they're baiting.

maybe i'm just naive.

There's a large percentage of folk who are just offering their opinion. And there's another percentage that post to get a reaction, to bring dead arguements back to life, to make easily triggered posters go off, and then they can point their finger and say I told ya so. It happens often enough to make it really uncomfortable around here at times.

[larryfromnextdoor]

the bait card .

[treetopovskaya]

i dunno... my view is people are accountable (or should be... in a perfect world) for their own actions. no one can make someone act a certain way.

what is considered "baiting"? some people here seem to have the bait card thrown at them because someone doesn't agree with their opinion. just because someone has a different point of view & way of seeing things doesn't mean they're baiting.

maybe i'm just naive.

There's a large percentage of folk who are just offering their opinion. And there's another percentage that post to get a reaction, to bring dead arguements back to life, to make easily triggered posters go off, and then they can point their finger and say I told ya so. It happens often enough to make it really uncomfortable around here at times.

[treetopovskaya]

the bait card .

there's an agenda card too... i had that one throw at me. }:C)

[Arkansas]

what is considered "baiting"? ...

Some are just learning. They are apprentice baiters.
After reading & learning and hands-on experience, they'll become master-baiters.

...yuk, yuk ...


later~

[jrnyman28]

Unfortunately, the idea of paying for the priviledge would not work. That would give peole a sense of entitlement: "I paid for the right to post ...." And it would be harder to kick out someone who has paid for that priviledge. A free forum is easier to maintain IMO...you can easily remove the problems if so desired....

[treetopovskaya]

i have a feeling that's happening already. some people do feel they are entitled... at least that's how they come across to me. not naming any names. }:C)

Unfortunately, the idea of paying for the priviledge would not work. That would give peole a sense of entitlement: "I paid for the right to post ...." And it would be harder to kick out someone who has paid for that priviledge. A free forum is easier to maintain IMO...you can easily remove the problems if so desired....

[Red13JoePa]

Hey, what's up, Daveo?

[heardonthestreet]

Unfortunately, the idea of paying for the priviledge would not work. That would give peole a sense of entitlement: "I paid for the right to post ...." And it would be harder to kick out someone who has paid for that priviledge. A free forum is easier to maintain IMO...you can easily remove the problems if so desired....

Hey dyoung! Att said to say Hi!

[jrnyman28]

Unfortunately, the idea of paying for the priviledge would not work. That would give peole a sense of entitlement: "I paid for the right to post ...." And it would be harder to kick out someone who has paid for that priviledge. A free forum is easier to maintain IMO...you can easily remove the problems if so desired....

Hey dyoung! Att said to say Hi!

Really....

[jrnyman28]

Hey, what's up, Daveo?

What up JoePA....just making my bi-annual visit!

[jrnyman28]

i have a feeling that's happening already. some people do feel they are entitled... at least that's how they come across to me. not naming any names. }:C)

Unfortunately, the idea of paying for the priviledge would not work. That would give peole a sense of entitlement: "I paid for the right to post ...." And it would be harder to kick out someone who has paid for that priviledge. A free forum is easier to maintain IMO...you can easily remove the problems if so desired....

I know what you mean, but it is easier to say they are wrong when no money has exchanged hands...

[Marabelle]

I don't care about the baiting or the other hundred reasons why people do the things they do; I'm just glad it's stopped for the moment.

[jrnyman28]

I am glad Andrew's site (this forum) is busy enough now that he can 'afford' to turn away people. There was a time when there was so little activity that I think he was happy just to have the hits...(Maybe I am speculating too much, but I remember a time when it was "anything goes" among the 7 posters!!;))

[TRAGChick]

I am glad Andrew's site (this forum) is busy enough now that he can 'afford' to turn away people. There was a time when there was so little activity that I think he was happy just to have the hits...(Maybe I am speculating too much, but I remember a time when it was "anything goes" among the 7 posters!!;))

....and WHEN THE HELL was THAT??

PS ~ Hiya, Dave! **waving**

[jrnyman28]

I am glad Andrew's site (this forum) is busy enough now that he can 'afford' to turn away people. There was a time when there was so little activity that I think he was happy just to have the hits...(Maybe I am speculating too much, but I remember a time when it was "anything goes" among the 7 posters!!;))

....and WHEN THE HELL was THAT??

PS ~ Hiya, Dave! **waving**

Just before the full on demise of VH1!
(Nice Wedding Singer quote!!)

Did you guys play your gig yet? How did it go?

[TRAGChick]

I am glad Andrew's site (this forum) is busy enough now that he can 'afford' to turn away people. There was a time when there was so little activity that I think he was happy just to have the hits...(Maybe I am speculating too much, but I remember a time when it was "anything goes" among the 7 posters!!;))

....and WHEN THE HELL was THAT??

PS ~ Hiya, Dave! **waving**

Just before the full on demise of VH1!

Oh wow....THAT long ago....???

(Nice Wedding Singer quote!!)

Nice to see that you know what it is! LOL TWS was on while I was online a few weeks ago; I had it on as "background noise", and it just happened that that scene where he's falling apart and singing the most DISMAL RENDITION of Madonna's "Holiday" was on.

Did you guys play your gig yet? How did it go?

Nope; we have one coming up on 12/28......

[Andrew]

what is considered "baiting"? some people here seem to have the bait card thrown at them because someone doesn't agree with their opinion. just because someone has a different point of view & way of seeing things doesn't mean they're baiting.

Just let me take care of things ok?

[Jenna]

Thank you Andrew------

[donnaplease]

The fact is, Journey is a BUSINESS & they will run it the way they want PERIOD.

Yes, they will. But we as the ticket/CD/swag buying public have a right to an opinion and expression as to how they run their business. Some of these comments could be construed as 'customer feedback'.

Granted, sometimes things get carried away and lines get crossed. But this "Journey is a business" line is crap to me. WE pay to keep their business afloat, and if they do something I don't approve of, I'm gonna say so.

I certainly hope people don't take this thread to mean that Andrew will no longer allow dissention, because I don't believe that is the case.

[Rick]

The fact is, Journey is a BUSINESS & they will run it the way they want PERIOD.

Yes, they will. But we as the ticket/CD/swag buying public have a right to an opinion and expression as to how they run their business. Some of these comments could be construed as 'customer feedback'.

Granted, sometimes things get carried away and lines get crossed. But this "Journey is a business" line is crap to me. WE pay to keep their business afloat, and if they do something I don't approve of, I'm gonna say so.

I certainly hope people don't take this thread to mean that Andrew will no longer allow dissention, because I don't believe that is the case.

Absolutely. Let's take Walmart for instance. If they ran it the way they wanted to, didn't listen to the customers, didn't give their customers what they want, they'd still be a business, but not for very long.

[nolippin]

I agree with you.

If posters are so volatile that they come unglued because others see situations in a different light, then they should probably consider taking a break from the internet. It isn't up to the other posters to tip toe around the volatile ones, nor is it the responsibility of other posters to try and police the forum to their liking rather than leave that job to Andrew and T-bone.

i dunno... my view is people are accountable (or should be... in a perfect world) for their own actions. no one can make someone act a certain way.

what is considered "baiting"? some people here seem to have the bait card thrown at them because someone doesn't agree with their opinion. just because someone has a different point of view & way of seeing things doesn't mean they're baiting.

maybe i'm just naive.

There's a large percentage of folk who are just offering their opinion. And there's another percentage that post to get a reaction, to bring dead arguements back to life, to make easily triggered posters go off, and then they can point their finger and say I told ya so. It happens often enough to make it really uncomfortable around here at times.

[BobbyinTN]

The bottom line is Journey is a business. I hate it. I detest the fact that a band has to become a "business", but that's the way the music industry works. Sure we can bitch and complain, but what do we really change? I think at this stage of the game it should be Journey's job to give the fans what they want, and to stop worrying about he almighty dollar, but when those dollars stop pouring in, that's when they panic.

Not one of us would allow someone else to tell us how to run our lives or our business, so what makes anyone think that Journey would allow that?

[Marabelle]

Thank you for the post of the week-month-year! It's not that hard! The band is a business.
It's not a non profit organization. It's a group of men that came together with an idea and a passion and built upon that. Their music came from their heart; not from the hearts of the fan. It is from their fervor that we got the music; not the otherway around. The band has to play what sounds good to them; they don't go around asking for our opinions. Maybe I'm just thinking this all wrong; if you are not true to yourself then how can you be true to several thousand people.

[larryfromnextdoor]

if you are not true to yourself then how can you be true to several thousand people.

have you been watching Oprah?

[Marabelle]

I am in the minority...I really don't like that show so much!!

[texafana]

...If posters are so volatile that they come unglued because others see situations in a different light, then they should probably consider taking a break from the internet. It isn't up to the other posters to tip toe around the volatile ones, nor is it the responsibility of other posters to try and police the forum to their liking rather than leave that job to Andrew and T-bone.

I have no problem with heated debates, various sides of the issue, but all the fk yous, name calling, etc, just makes this place look like the average age is 16.

[Socratic Methodist]

When I joined I was told I wasn't going to be taken seriously til I made it to the four-month mark....I'm still here.....lol

I think this sort of thing happens on EVERY board. Old-timers get territorial, and wish to mark their place. People get caught up in post count. Again, this happens on every other board I've been a part of.