First 2009 US Summer Date for Journey

[parfait]

Eric wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Eric wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
As much as I despise and flat out hate Journey, this is actually respectful, or at least a step in the right direction. The set could still be a lot better, if they would ever drop fuckin Open Arms and maybe, just maybe, include a song from ROR or God forbid TBF.

So they are getting better, perhaps growing some stones, but they are still very small stones.


Why would they play anything off TBF? Its dull and nobody knows any of it...and isn't post-perry. It doesn't meet any criteria of a song that this lineup would, could or should sing. It would be a waste. They need to play the classics and new stuff...there is no room for TBF. Message of Love fell flat on its face in 2001, no sense to whip that dog out ever again.

As far as ROR...they play BGTY.......they should play I'll be alright too...but the rest of that sounds dated and isn't well known either.


Dude, TBF is one of their best efforts. It has mellow, moderate and harder songs, probably more eclectic than any cd they have ever made. It's just a mature album that's all.

As for being dated, hate to tell you this, but Revelation, from the three songs I have heard, sounds really dated.


Its 13 years old, people know the songs on it less than they even know post-perry stuff....and it doesn't work in live settings. Mature it is indeed, but despite my many disagreements with this band on things, this isn't one of them. I couldn't agree more.


Well, when TBF came out, Journey was basically irrelevant in 1996, but those songs on that album are a helluva lot more recognizeable and better mind you, than anything off of Arrival, Generations or Revelations.

Can't Tame the Lion, MOL, and One More are all better rock songs than Higher Place, anything off Generations and Rev.

The thing that really makes songs like MOL and OM better than anything off anything post-perry, is Steve Smith. And since SP's voice really lost most of its power, he had to take a step down and let the other members of Journey really shine, Steve and Neal in particular. Emoting schmemoting really isn't what Journey rised to fame on - it was Perry's insane tenor/mezzo soprano voice, and as sad as it is, he lacked that voice all together on Trial by Fire.

[Gideon]

I respectfully disagree.

Trial By Fire, in my honest opinion, is Journey's finest moment. Did Perry lack a lot of his trademark power and range? Absolutely. But the album wasn't about him; it was about the band as a whole. Perry's harmonies are all over the damn album, anyway, and he made do with what he had left. He only had one shitty moment, vocally, and that was "Castles Burning." The rest, while nothing special technically, were full of great harmonies and soul. "If He Should Break Your Heart" is quite possibly my favorite song they've ever done.

[NealIsGod]

As far as ROR...they play BGTY.......they should play I'll be alright too...but the rest of that sounds dated and isn't well known either.

After the way JSS knocked that one out of the park on a nightly basis, I don't think anyone but him or Perry should even attempt that song.

[Gideon]

I am always excited to post anything about the "Present Journey" here but i am met with a lot of negative comments so i will refrain from posting news from a "loyal swoon site" about Tokyo's Setlist. Needless to say, Setlist was interesting--more songs with Deen singing and more Revelation songs.

Oh suck my ass, post the fuckin setlist for fucks sake!

I found this at the official site.

1. Intro - Majestic
2. Never Walk Away
3. Only the Young
4. Ask the Lonely
- Neal Solo -
5. Stone In Love
6. Keep on Running (Deen on Vocals)
7. Turn Down the World Tonight
8. Change For the Better
- Jon & Neal Blues Jam -
9. Wheel In the Sky
10. Higher Place (Deen on Vocals)
11. Lights
12. Still They Ride (Deen on Vocals)
- Jonathan Solo -
13. Open Arms
14. Mother Father (Deen on Vocals)
15. Rubicon
16. Wildest Dreams
17. Separate Ways
18. What I Needed
19. Edge Of the Blade
20. Place In Your Heart
21. Escape
22. Fathfully
23. Don't Stop Believin'
24. Any Way You Want It
- Encore -
25. Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'

Right now? I could fucking cry. This isn't my dream setlist, but it's the closest I've ever seen. "Higher Place" is gonna be great.

[NealIsGod]

I respectfully disagree.

Trial By Fire, in my honest opinion, is Journey's finest moment. Did Perry lack a lot of his trademark power and range? Absolutely. But the album wasn't about him; it was about the band as a whole. Perry's harmonies are all over the damn album, anyway, and he made do with what he had left. He only had one shitty moment, vocally, and that was "Castles Burning." The rest, while nothing special technically, were full of great harmonies and soul. "If He Should Break Your Heart" is quite possibly my favorite song they've ever done.

TBF and the aborted tour was a cash grab and it shows. Neal came in a did what he had to do and left.

[Gideon]

I respectfully disagree.

Trial By Fire, in my honest opinion, is Journey's finest moment. Did Perry lack a lot of his trademark power and range? Absolutely. But the album wasn't about him; it was about the band as a whole. Perry's harmonies are all over the damn album, anyway, and he made do with what he had left. He only had one shitty moment, vocally, and that was "Castles Burning." The rest, while nothing special technically, were full of great harmonies and soul. "If He Should Break Your Heart" is quite possibly my favorite song they've ever done.

TBF and the aborted tour was a cash grab and it shows. Neal came in a did what he had to do and left.

Huh?

Not following. Do you not like TBF or Neal's work on it?

[NealIsGod]

I respectfully disagree.

Trial By Fire, in my honest opinion, is Journey's finest moment. Did Perry lack a lot of his trademark power and range? Absolutely. But the album wasn't about him; it was about the band as a whole. Perry's harmonies are all over the damn album, anyway, and he made do with what he had left. He only had one shitty moment, vocally, and that was "Castles Burning." The rest, while nothing special technically, were full of great harmonies and soul. "If He Should Break Your Heart" is quite possibly my favorite song they've ever done.

TBF and the aborted tour was a cash grab and it shows. Neal came in a did what he had to do and left.

Huh?

Not following. Do you not like TBF or Neal's work on it?

Reportedly his heart wasn't in it. I don't like the album at all, other than MOL and ICSIIYE which didn't make the cut for some inexplicable reason.

[Ehwmatt]

TBF is a really good album. I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it Journey's "finest moment," as there are times when some of the stuff doesn't really sound like classic Journey. I think I like it more as its own album rather than comparing it to the rest of the Journey canon. IHSBYH is one of my favorites too, Gideon. I love the harmonies and the solo is classic Neal.

[Gideon]

Reportedly his heart wasn't in it.

Testament to his skills, because I think Neal's finest moments were all over that album. He didn't have anything less than a perfect solo. The weakest performance, by far, was Perry. And even that was pretty good.

I don't like the album at all, other than MOL and ICSIIYE which didn't make the cut for some inexplicable reason.

I like everything other than "Baby I'm A Leavin' You." ICSIIYE is one of my very favorite Journey songs and MoL is Separate Ways' better looking sister.

[Ehwmatt]

Testament to his skills, because I think Neal's finest moments were all over that album. He didn't have anything less than a perfect solo. The weakest performance, by far, was Perry. And even that was pretty good.

Message of Love, Can't Tame The Lion, IHSBYH, When I Think of You, When You Love a Woman, Forever In Blue, Trial By Fire, and One More... all GREAT Neal moments.

[Gideon]

TBF is a really good album. I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it Journey's "finest moment," as there are times when some of the stuff doesn't really sound like classic Journey.

Perhaps not, but the trademarks of classic Journey songs are there. Awesome solo, great vocals, superb writing -- a story. All there. It's just compiled differently, and the band is allowed to shine because Perry was no longer capable of hogging the spotlight.

I think I like it more as its own album rather than comparing it to the rest of the Journey canon.

Well, take Steve Smith. Everyone everywhere is like "omg teh steve smith is lolz awesome kickass drummer!!1!" Except for his solo time on the Escape DVD, I really wasn't impressed with most of Smith's drumming. Seemed basic (but I'm not a drummer). Deen's version of "Chain Reaction" is lightyears upon lightyears better than Steve's studio drumming.

But them came TBF and he kicked some major ass. I think he was restrained by Neal and Perry so much, which is a shame.

IHSBYH is one of my favorites too, Gideon. I love the harmonies and the solo is classic Neal.

Amen.

[Gideon]

Testament to his skills, because I think Neal's finest moments were all over that album. He didn't have anything less than a perfect solo. The weakest performance, by far, was Perry. And even that was pretty good.

Message of Love, Can't Tame The Lion, IHSBYH, When I Think of You, When You Love a Woman, Forever In Blue, Trial By Fire, and One More... all GREAT Neal moments.

What the hell's the matter with you?

You left out "Easy to Fall." Though, in reality, you might as well include the entirety of the album.

[Ehwmatt]

Testament to his skills, because I think Neal's finest moments were all over that album. He didn't have anything less than a perfect solo. The weakest performance, by far, was Perry. And even that was pretty good.

Message of Love, Can't Tame The Lion, IHSBYH, When I Think of You, When You Love a Woman, Forever In Blue, Trial By Fire, and One More... all GREAT Neal moments.

What the hell's the matter with you?

You left out "Easy to Fall." Though, in reality, you might as well include the entirety of the album.

I suppose I did. Haven't listened to ETF in a while. But yeah, if I wanted to summarize Neal's playing style, I'd play this album for someone. There's some melodic moments, some soaring ballad "emotive" moments, and some aggressive moments. Neal doing all the things he does best. Nowadays, he kinda sticks mostly to the shredding...

[weatherman90]

Deano, who do you think they'll tour with?

My odds at this point?

Solo playing in 1500 seaters/carnivals 3-1
Foreigner 9-2
Boston 5-1
Bryan Adams 7-1
Steely Dan 10-1
ZZ Top 20-1

Boston's not touring this year so you can count them out.

[weatherman90]

I am always excited to post anything about the "Present Journey" here but i am met with a lot of negative comments so i will refrain from posting news from a "loyal swoon site" about Tokyo's Setlist. Needless to say, Setlist was interesting--more songs with Deen singing and more Revelation songs.

Oh suck my ass, post the fuckin setlist for fucks sake!

I found this at the official site.

1. Intro - Majestic
2. Never Walk Away
3. Only the Young
4. Ask the Lonely
- Neal Solo -
5. Stone In Love
6. Keep on Running (Deen on Vocals)
7. Turn Down the World Tonight
8. Change For the Better
- Jon & Neal Blues Jam -
9. Wheel In the Sky
10. Higher Place (Deen on Vocals)
11. Lights
12. Still They Ride (Deen on Vocals)
- Jonathan Solo -
13. Open Arms
14. Mother Father (Deen on Vocals)
15. Rubicon
16. Wildest Dreams
17. Separate Ways
18. What I Needed
19. Edge Of the Blade
20. Place In Your Heart
21. Escape
22. Fathfully
23. Don't Stop Believin'
24. Any Way You Want It
- Encore -
25. Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'

Right now? I could fucking cry. This isn't my dream setlist, but it's the closest I've ever seen. "Higher Place" is gonna be great.

That is a great set!! Glad to see Edge of the Blade and Rubicon making it out there again. Higher Place will be fun to hear, and I can't wait to hear Deen sing again (he didn't sing at all at the Minneapolis 2008 show)

[Deb]

As far as ROR...they play BGTY.......they should play I'll be alright too...but the rest of that sounds dated and isn't well known either.

After the way JSS knocked that one out of the park on a nightly basis, I don't think anyone but him or Perry should even attempt that song.

True dat! This little soundcheck clip is what sold me on him fronting Journey. I could care less about range, JSS has that same soulful delivery like Perry! Deb = sold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8T1XAdw9Tg

[bluejeangirl76]

As far as ROR...they play BGTY.......they should play I'll be alright too...but the rest of that sounds dated and isn't well known either.

After the way JSS knocked that one out of the park on a nightly basis, I don't think anyone but him or Perry should even attempt that song.

True dat! This little soundcheck clip is what sold me on him fronting Journey. I could care less about range, JSS has that same soulful delivery like Perry! Deb = sold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8T1XAdw9Tg

Agreed on that one, Deb.

[Jana]

As far as ROR...they play BGTY.......they should play I'll be alright too...but the rest of that sounds dated and isn't well known either.

After the way JSS knocked that one out of the park on a nightly basis, I don't think anyone but him or Perry should even attempt that song.

True dat! This little soundcheck clip is what sold me on him fronting Journey. I could care less about range, JSS has that same soulful delivery like Perry! Deb = sold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8T1XAdw9Tg

Thanks for posting, Deb. Really excellent vocals and delivery on that song. I was just listening to IBAWU the other day on ROR.

[T-Bone]

really, sit thru a bunch of crap to see 1, mabey 2 good bands. then journey with a singer who eats dogs. i don't think so !

Bye Ed....

[Rockindeano]

really, sit thru a bunch of crap to see 1, mabey 2 good bands. then journey with a singer who eats dogs. i don't think so !

Bye Ed....

And you wonder why you aren't allowed back on here?

[journeyMusic]

really, sit thru a bunch of crap to see 1, mabey 2 good bands. then journey with a singer who eats dogs. i don't think so !

Bye Ed....

And you wonder why you aren't allowed back on here?

Why is it that everyone immediately thinks Ed when they hear about dog eating? The dude hasn't been here for months and he's still a topic of discussion. Maybe there are others that are not to happy with the current lineup. Anytime something is said about Arnel,seemd Ed is the one who says it. Guess people "in the know" say it's so, so it must be!

[Rockindeano]

really, sit thru a bunch of crap to see 1, mabey 2 good bands. then journey with a singer who eats dogs. i don't think so !

Bye Ed....

And you wonder why you aren't allowed back on here?

Why is it that everyone immediately thinks Ed when they hear about dog eating? The dude hasn't been here for months and he's still a topic of discussion. Maybe there are others that are not to happy with the current lineup. Anytime something is said about Arnel,seemd Ed is the one who says it. Guess people "in the know" say it's so, so it must be!

Douche, Ed is here everyday. He admits it on the site where you are a member. Don't spin the un-spinnable.

You know how wrong it is to say something like that, and then how wrong it is for a dipshit like yourself to try to validate it, or defend someone who says shit like that? It very well may not be Ed, but it is someone from his site, and the fact T Bone came on and expelled the asshole poster, tells me he researched it enough to have good reason to do so.

[T-Bone]

really, sit thru a bunch of crap to see 1, mabey 2 good bands. then journey with a singer who eats dogs. i don't think so !

Bye Ed....

And you wonder why you aren't allowed back on here?

Why is it that everyone immediately thinks Ed when they hear about dog eating? The dude hasn't been here for months and he's still a topic of discussion. Maybe there are others that are not to happy with the current lineup. Anytime something is said about Arnel,seemd Ed is the one who says it. Guess people "in the know" say it's so, so it must be!

Also because I can check the IP address..... You are also sadly mistaken if you think he hasn't been here for months... Why do you think we have restricted registration?

[Red13JoePa]

Maybe there are others that are not to happy with the current lineup.

And in general the way to express that unhappieness w/ Journey is to go to the lowest common denominator and make dog eating jokes.

[journeyMusic]

really, sit thru a bunch of crap to see 1, mabey 2 good bands. then journey with a singer who eats dogs. i don't think so !

Bye Ed....

And you wonder why you aren't allowed back on here?

Why is it that everyone immediately thinks Ed when they hear about dog eating? The dude hasn't been here for months and he's still a topic of discussion. Maybe there are others that are not to happy with the current lineup. Anytime something is said about Arnel,seemd Ed is the one who says it. Guess people "in the know" say it's so, so it must be!

Douche, Ed is here everyday. He admits it on the site where you are a member. Don't spin the un-spinnable.

You know how wrong it is to say something like that, and then how wrong it is for a dipshit like yourself to try to validate it, or defend someone who says shit like that? It very well may not be Ed, but it is someone from his site, and the fact T Bone came on and expelled the asshole poster, tells me he researched it enough to have good reason to do so.

Douche? Quite childish coming from a person of your intelligence. I would have expected more. I didn't say it was right to say anything and your a dipshit for thinking that I did. I have no clue who mini mankind is, nor do I care. All I did was ask why it was immediately Ed. If T-Bone see's the IP,then so be it.You as well must not know but you assumed it was Ed in your post but now you retract that, saying it may not be. And tell me Dean, how do you know that anyone admits anything on "the site where I am a member"? Got a stoolie over there?

[Rockindeano]

Douche? Quite childish coming from a person of your intelligence. I would have expected more. I didn't say it was right to say anything and your a dipshit for thinking that I did. I have no clue who mini mankind is, nor do I care. All I did was ask why it was immediately Ed. If T-Bone see's the IP,then so be it.You as well must not know but you assumed it was Ed in your post but now you retract that, saying it may not be. And tell me Dean, how do you know that anyone admits anything on "the site where I am a member"? Got a stoolie over there?

Go fuck yourself Steve. You lot over there just spiel hate and more hate, and see nothing wrong with it. As for Mini Mankind, I KNOW it is someone from Ed's site, and it's pathetic that he has to act that way. Either Ed or that other piece of shit Liam. Broken records. Yeah I know, I bet my son's eyes there is already a picture of me gracing the front page of the private site, or ex-ivate site, with pills in my hand and jizz on my face. Too bad only a dozen folks read that page. LOL, jokers.

As for stupid ass, you are just a soldier boy, pouncing in here on orders, defending your teammates.

Let me ask you this? You think it is appropriate to say Arnel eats dogs? I despise Journey personnel too, but to take shots at a nice guy because he A) beat out your local singer, and B) hails from The Phillipines is downright hateful, spiteful and plain dumb.

Can't wait to hear your well written rebuttal.

Go fuck yourself again.

[Andrew]

Ok ok....enough enough for everyone.

Of all the good things on earth, why oh why do we continue to waste time on this shit?

[Behshad]

Dean stop acting like this bro .
We don't need more shit man. It's time to move on.
Ed did not post that comment so it is unfair to attack him when a) he didn't do it and b) he can't defend himself here.
I don't agree with what was said nor do I agree with many other thing the Annex people say about Arnel .
I just think that now when some progress is finally being made to leave old crap behind it's not a good time to open yet another can of worms.

[journeyMusic]

Douche? Quite childish coming from a person of your intelligence. I would have expected more. I didn't say it was right to say anything and your a dipshit for thinking that I did. I have no clue who mini mankind is, nor do I care. All I did was ask why it was immediately Ed. If T-Bone see's the IP,then so be it.You as well must not know but you assumed it was Ed in your post but now you retract that, saying it may not be. And tell me Dean, how do you know that anyone admits anything on "the site where I am a member"? Got a stoolie over there?

Go fuck yourself Steve. You lot over there just spiel hate and more hate, and see nothing wrong with it. As for Mini Mankind, I KNOW it is someone from Ed's site, and it's pathetic that he has to act that way. Either Ed or that other piece of shit Liam. Broken records. Yeah I know, I bet my son's eyes there is already a picture of me gracing the front page of the private site, or ex-ivate site, with pills in my hand and jizz on my face. Too bad only a dozen folks read that page. LOL, jokers.

As for stupid ass, you are just a soldier boy, pouncing in here on orders, defending your teammates.

Let me ask you this? You think it is appropriate to say Arnel eats dogs? I despise Journey personnel too, but to take shots at a nice guy because he A) beat out your local singer, and B) hails from The Phillipines is downright hateful, spiteful and plain dumb.

Can't wait to hear your well written rebuttal.

Go fuck yourself again.

This will be my final post on this subject. Yes Dean, the name is Steve. You've known that for quite some time. Don't really care who knows it. I can honestly say that I hate no one, well maybe one. Maybe Mini Mankind is from there, as I said I don't know, and don't give a shit, PERIOD! I won't even comment on what graces the front page but I can say that it probably isn't anything close to your thoughts. As for a soldier boy, let me make it very clear to your dumb ass that I take orders from no one, but I do defend my friends when attacked. I have absolutely nothing against Arnel, even if he did "beat out my local singer". Hell I spent good money, and quite a bit I might add, to see them last year and really enjoyed it. And as for your last little cute line:
:

GO FUCK YOURSELF NUTSWEAT!

[Saint John]

As far as ROR...they play BGTY.......they should play I'll be alright too...but the rest of that sounds dated and isn't well known either.

After the way JSS knocked that one out of the park on a nightly basis, I don't think anyone but him or Perry should even attempt that song.

Considering that Perry ahd a lot of rasp during that era I think Castronovo would be the guy to sing that one, if they did it now.