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[The_Noble_Cause]

I did use it corrrectly.

Just how much of a hard-headed asshole can one poster be? All of us here can clearly see you do not know how to use the quote function.

[Saint John]

I'd even go so far to say they were in full defcon 4 lockdown panic mode at one point.

Just so you know, TNC ...

DEFCON 5
This is the condition used to designate normal peacetime military readiness. An upgrade in military preparedness is typically made by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and announced by the United States Secretary of Defense.

DEFCON 4
This refers to normal, increased intelligence and the heightening of national security measures.

DEFCON 3
This refers to an increase to force readiness above normal. Radio call signs used by U.S. armed forces change to currently classified codes.

DEFCON 2
This refers to a further increase in force readiness just below maximum readiness. The most notable time it was declared was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, although the declaration was limited to Strategic Air Command. It is not certain how many times this level of readiness has been reached.

DEFCON 1
This refers to maximum readiness. It is not documented as ever having been used, but it is reserved for imminent or ongoing attack on U.S. armed forces or U.S. territory by a foreign military power.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'd even go so far to say they were in full defcon 4 lockdown panic mode at one point.

Just so you know, TNC ...

DEFCON 5
This is the condition used to designate normal peacetime military readiness. An upgrade in military preparedness is typically made by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and announced by the United States Secretary of Defense.
DEFCON 4
This refers to normal, increased intelligence and the heightening of national security measures.
DEFCON 3
This refers to an increase to force readiness above normal. Radio call signs used by U.S. armed forces change to currently classified codes.
DEFCON 2
This refers to a further increase in force readiness just below maximum readiness. The most notable time it was declared was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, although the declaration was limited to Strategic Air Command. It is not certain how many times this level of readiness has been reached.
DEFCON 1
This refers to maximum readiness. It is not documented as ever having been used, but it is reserved for imminent or ongoing attack on U.S. armed forces or U.S. territory by a foreign military power.

I stand corrected. Thanks SJ. Was never sure about that.

[RobbieG]

I'd even go so far to say they were in full defcon 4 lockdown panic mode at one point.

Just so you know, TNC ...

DEFCON 5
This is the condition used to designate normal peacetime military readiness. An upgrade in military preparedness is typically made by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and announced by the United States Secretary of Defense.

DEFCON 4
This refers to normal, increased intelligence and the heightening of national security measures.

DEFCON 3
This refers to an increase to force readiness above normal. Radio call signs used by U.S. armed forces change to currently classified codes.

DEFCON 2
This refers to a further increase in force readiness just below maximum readiness. The most notable time it was declared was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, although the declaration was limited to Strategic Air Command. It is not certain how many times this level of readiness has been reached.

DEFCON 1
This refers to maximum readiness. It is not documented as ever having been used, but it is reserved for imminent or ongoing attack on U.S. armed forces or U.S. territory by a foreign military power.

Mr. know it all does not know everything

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I did use it corrrectly. You saw an LA show. You should have come out to the midwest Chicago, Detroit, Ceveland all with a strong Journey fanbase. The majority of fans in Detroit and Chicago were not impressed with JSS. Just ask any of the true Journey fans there. You will not like the answer.

Stop making shit up. I saw shows with JSS in Chicago and Indianapolis, and the response the band got was tremendous. I'll never forget how into the set the crowd was throughout. Much more invested in the band than the Revelation tour shows in the same spots, even though those shows were good as well. And why the hell do you keep saying "the majority of fans"? Did you talk to 12,000+ of the over 20,000 people at each of those shows?

You are an absolute idiot.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Mr. know it all does not know everything

Never claimed to know everything. Just a fan here, same as everyone. If you feel intellectually outmatched in my presence, that has more to do with you being a witless fuckhole, than me being all-knowing.

[steveo777]

I did use it corrrectly.

Just how much of a hard-headed asshole can one poster be? All of us here can clearly see you do not know how to use the quote function.

See, you bring out the best in people.

[Saint John]

I did use it corrrectly. You saw an LA show. You should have come out to the midwest Chicago, Detroit, Ceveland all with a strong Journey fanbase. The majority of fans in Detroit and Chicago were not impressed with JSS. Just ask any of the true Journey fans there. You will not like the answer.

Stop making shit up. I saw shows with JSS in Chicago and Indianapolis, and the response the band got was tremendous. I'll never forget how into the set the crowd was throughout. Much more invested in the band than the Revelation tour shows in the same spots, even though those shows were good as well. And why the hell do you keep saying "the majority of fans"? Did you talk to 12,000+ of the over 20,000 people at each of those shows?

You are an absolute idiot.

Chicago had 26,000 in a driving rainstorm the first time Arnel came here. The security guard told me that only Jimmy Buffet draws like that. It would have been sold out, but there were no walk-up sales because of the weather. And I don't think Soto ever played to 20,000 people while with Journey. If so, it was because of Def Leppard. They had the majority of fans on that tour, as they were the headliner. Soto never won any fans over in any meaningful numbers and didn't bring any fans to the band. He didn't sound right and the decision to get rid of him was the right one. The guy's a career pinch hitter. The Richie Hebner of singing. That said, he did an admirable job of filling in but didn't save anyone's ass. Irving would have simply found another guy to fill in.

[steveo777]

LOL
Some people want to make every excuse why Journey had a successful 2 years of touring. The sob story, the sopranos, this, that. How about talent? Maybe they have someone who can sing the fucking songs and sound good.

[The_Noble_Cause]

LOL
Some people want to make every excuse why Journey had a successful 2 years of touring. The sob story, the sopranos, this, that. How about talent? Maybe they have someone who can sing the fucking songs and sound good.

Raw talent doesn't promote itself. Arnel's inclusion into the band was accompanied by the biggest Journey PR blitz since TBF.

[RobbieG]

I did use it corrrectly. You saw an LA show. You should have come out to the midwest Chicago, Detroit, Ceveland all with a strong Journey fanbase. The majority of fans in Detroit and Chicago were not impressed with JSS. Just ask any of the true Journey fans there. You will not like the answer.

Stop making shit up. I saw shows with JSS in Chicago and Indianapolis, and the response the band got was tremendous. I'll never forget how into the set the crowd was throughout. Much more invested in the band than the Revelation tour shows in the same spots, even though those shows were good as well. And why the hell do you keep saying "the majority of fans"? Did you talk to 12,000+ of the over 20,000 people at each of those shows?

You are an absolute idiot.

Chicago had 26,000 in a driving rainstorm the first time Arnel came here. The security guard told me that only Jimmy Buffet draws like that. It would have been sold out, but there were no walk-up sales because of the weather. And I don't think Soto ever played to 20,000 people while with Journey. If so, it was because of Def Leppard. They had the majority of fans on that tour, as they were the headliner. Soto never won any fans over in any meaningful numbers and didn't bring any fans to the band. He didn't sound right and the decision to get rid of him was the right one. The guy's a career pinch hitter. The Richie Hebner of singing. That said, he did an admirable job of filling in but didn't save anyone's ass. Irving would have simply found another guy to fill in.

Thank you SJ. "The Richie Hebner of singing" That's good one. Soto did play a park in England last week and drew about 20 fans I believe.

[steveo777]

LOL
Some people want to make every excuse why Journey had a successful 2 years of touring. The sob story, the sopranos, this, that. How about talent? Maybe they have someone who can sing the fucking songs and sound good.

Raw talent doesn't promote itself. Arnel's inclusion into the band was accompanied by the biggest Journey PR blitz since TBF.

That was in 2008 and I'll bet their tour for 2011 will be as hot as ever in recent years. The PR work might have gotten them back on track but they have to make the fans happy maintain their popularity. They appear to be doing that, save for a few sour grapes. Shame some people are in denial.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That was in 2008 and I'll bet their tour for 2011 will be as hot as ever in recent years. The PR work might have gotten them back on track but they have to make the fans happy maintain their popularity. They appear to be doing that, save for a few sour grapes. Shame some people are in denial.

I never denied Arnel's talent, or popularity with general audiences and the die-hards.

[steveo777]

That was in 2008 and I'll bet their tour for 2011 will be as hot as ever in recent years. The PR work might have gotten them back on track but they have to make the fans happy maintain their popularity. They appear to be doing that, save for a few sour grapes. Shame some people are in denial.

I never denied Arnel's popularity with general audiences and the die-hards.

Then what were you saying, exactly?
Oh, that's right, you don't like the current lineup and thought the band would have been more successful with JSS fronting it. I get it.
Good thing management knows better.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Then what were you saying, exactly?
Oh, that's right, you don't like the current lineup

This is true. Arnel doesn't do much for me. Great voice, but his diction issues are annoying and as other fans have noted, he brings an American Idol quality to the stage.

and thought the band would have been more successful with JSS fronting it. I get it.

I never said this. Quote me. JSS presented the band the best opportunity to move out from under Perry's shadow creatively. Instead, Neal flip-flopped on everything he said for the past ten years and went straight for a karaoke copycat. In effect, they admitted that they are nothing without the 'Voice', exactly what their Perry-obsessed detractors had said all along.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Chicago had 26,000 in a driving rainstorm the first time Arnel came here. The security guard told me that only Jimmy Buffet draws like that.

That was a damn good show. I had never seen such a mass of humanity as what was crammed into the lawn that night.

[Saint John]

Chicago had 26,000 in a driving rainstorm the first time Arnel came here. The security guard told me that only Jimmy Buffet draws like that.

That was a damn good show. I had never seen such a mass of humanity as what was crammed into the lawn that night.

I hope you were under the pavilion because those poor bastards on the lawn got drenched.

[Andrew]

Just ask any of the true Journey fans there. You will not like the answer.

You'll of course forgive me if I don't take your word for it!

[Monker]

Then what were you saying, exactly?
Oh, that's right, you don't like the current lineup

This is true. Arnel doesn't do much for me. Great voice, but his diction issues are annoying and as other fans have noted, he brings an American Idol quality to the stage.

and thought the band would have been more successful with JSS fronting it. I get it.

I never said this. Quote me. JSS presented the band the best opportunity to move out from under Perry's shadow creatively. Instead, Neal flip-flopped on everything he said for the past ten years and went straight for a karaoke copycat. In effect, they admitted that they are nothing without the 'Voice', exactly what their Perry-obsessed detractors had said all along.

I have said the same thing abut hiring Arnel...they are admitting that it was all about Perry's voice. And, yes, they made a 180 degree turn with the wanting to return the 'legacy' sound. It's all about the money, not the 'sound'.

However, I never thought JSS was the right person for Journey to move forward with. They blew it with Augeri by over working his voice. They never took any time off. They never recorded enough. Augeri was their first and last chance to make a move away from the 'Perry sound'....and they blew it. You can also argue that they blew it by not hiring Chalfant in the beginning.

But, I think the Wal-Mart deal required somebody to rerecord the old songs. Therefore, JSS was not going to work out...and they started looking at somebody who could imitate Perry. I think that is why we are where we are now...with a vocal clone and a band living off of their legacy.

Now they want to move into some weird Hindu music, I wonder how all of these new Arnel fans are going to respond to that...Hindu inspired concept albums is not exactly what Arnel hs been singing in the past. Are there any clips on YouTube of Arnel singing Kashmir? I doubt it.

Just one stupid ass decision after another...going back for 25 years, at least.

[Eric]

Just one stupid ass decision after another...going back for 25 years, at least.

They are still recording new music (a prerequisite for me to be remain a fan) and are as popular as '86 with touring. Some bad decisions, maybe...but they're doing very well. They should be known as one of the greatest bands of all time - and are not - so they definitely have screwed up along the way.

[jrnyjetster]

Now they want to move into some weird Hindu music, I wonder how all of these new Arnel fans are going to respond to that...Hindu inspired concept albums is not exactly what Arnel has been singing in the past. Are there any clips on YouTube of Arnel singing Kashmir? I doubt it.

Monker...how the fuck do you know how this new album will sound? "Hindu inspired"? That's laughable!

[Michigan Girl]

Just one stupid ass decision after another...going back for 25 years, at least.

They are still recording new music (a prerequisite for me to be remain a fan) and are as popular as '86 with touring. Some bad decisions, maybe...but they're doing very well. They should be known as one of the greatest bands of all time - and are not - so they definitely have screwed up along the way.

popular as '86? I know this is a joke...lol!

[Michigan Girl]

Just one stupid ass decision after another...going back for 25 years, at least.

They are still recording new music (a prerequisite for me to be remain a fan) and are as popular as '86 with touring. Some bad decisions, maybe...but they're doing very well. They should be known as one of the greatest bands of all time - and are not - so they definitely have screwed up along the way.

?!!?! edit ...the triple post..

[Michigan Girl]

Just one stupid ass decision after another...going back for 25 years, at least.

They are still recording new music (a prerequisite for me to be remain a fan) and are as popular as '86 with touring. Some bad decisions, maybe...but they're doing very well. They should be known as one of the greatest bands of all time - and are not - so they definitely have screwed up along the way.

oops!! sorry

[Eric]

popular as '86? I know this is a joke...lol!

Revelation tour was equally successful as the ROR tour.....

[Michigan Girl]

popular as '86? I know this is a joke...lol!

Revelation tour was equally successful as the ROR tour.....

In terms of?!?!
Don't insult me w/something like body count or I'll be LMAO all afternoon!!

[Eric]

popular as '86? I know this is a joke...lol!

Revelation tour was equally successful as the ROR tour.....

In terms of?!?!
Don't insult me w/something like body count or I'll be LMAO all afternoon!!

Look at type of venues, number of dates and attendance. Also, the quality of it was better than that rushed pop piece of shit ROR.

[Monker]

Now they want to move into some weird Hindu music, I wonder how all of these new Arnel fans are going to respond to that...Hindu inspired concept albums is not exactly what Arnel has been singing in the past. Are there any clips on YouTube of Arnel singing Kashmir? I doubt it.

Monker...how the fuck do you know how this new album will sound? "Hindu inspired"? That's laughable!

cuz I read a quote from Neal or Jonathan in one of these forums that is the style of music they are writing.

And, yes, it IS laughable.

[Monker]

popular as '86? I know this is a joke...lol!

Revelation tour was equally successful as the ROR tour.....

In terms of?!?!
Don't insult me w/something like body count or I'll be LMAO all afternoon!!

Look at type of venues, number of dates and attendance. Also, the quality of it was better than that rushed pop piece of shit ROR.

I'd rather have a 'rushed pop piece of shit' then a piece of shit attempting to mimic their sound from up to 30yrs ago, including the piece of shit of ROR.

Which is more of a piece of shit? The piece of shit, or the piece of shit that follows and mimics it?

[Rick]

Now they want to move into some weird Hindu music, I wonder how all of these new Arnel fans are going to respond to that...Hindu inspired concept albums is not exactly what Arnel has been singing in the past. Are there any clips on YouTube of Arnel singing Kashmir? I doubt it.

Monker...how the fuck do you know how this new album will sound? "Hindu inspired"? That's laughable!

cuz I read a quote from Neal or Jonathan in one of these forums that is the style of music they are writing.

And, yes, it IS laughable.

So Neal's trading his guitar for a sitar?