A new dawn for Journey?

by **ballbag** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:30 pm

So, short of an official statement from the band, we all know that Journey are taking on new management and a new singer which is 99.9% certain to be JSS, but we know Steve ain't coming back. There seems to be a renewed vigour of interest in the band that simply didn't happen in 1998. Is this the start of Journey's rise to the (commercial) top again?

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:07 pm

I would like to know where this renewed interest is showing itself? You can't say here. This is a Journey message board, so of course we are into it. The general public isn't "falling in love with Journey again." They have been getting some positive reviews, some negative. Maybe you are hearing things I am not?

by **Monker** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:32 pm

NealIsGod wrote:I would like to know where this renewed interest is showing itself? You can't say here. This is a Journey message board, so of course we are into it. The general public isn't "falling in love with Journey again." They have been getting some positive reviews, some negative. Maybe you are hearing things I am not?

Exactly, and you can't point to the tour since it was already booked and most of it on sale for months prior to JSS taking over. In fact, you can use that as evidence that Journey with Augeri was gaining ground. I doubt most people even know JSS has taken over...even JSS admits that most people think Perry is still in the band, and I would bet a numer of those who are left think Augeri is still in the band.

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:35 pm

I guess we have to wait for Mr. Ballbag to respond, Monker. :lol:

by **Blueskies** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:52 am

I think Neal is going to try to put it together with JSS after this tour, go into the studio.

by **ballbag** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:53 am

There's definitely more of a buzz with this current tour than there has been since 1998.

by **NealIsGod** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:04 am

ballbag wrote:There's definitely more of a buzz with this current tour than there has been since 1998.

Where, besides here?

by **yulog** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:06 am

exactly

by **yulog** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:10 am

your right ballbag maybe the 50 people here will get jeff scott soto and the guys to commercial heaven wooohoo

by **ballbag** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:17 am

I just felt that at the 3 shows I've been to the band have been going down a storm. The crowds seem much more into JSS than Steve Augeri. With a world tour nearly booked up for 2007, I thought it seemed like much more of a buzz with the general public than there ever has been with Augeri.

If you don't agree, fine. Go blow it out your ass. I couldn't give a rat's fucking ass. Nice to see Monker here though.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:17 am

ballbag wrote:There's definitely more of a buzz with this current tour than there has been since 1998.

Well, they ARE touring with Def Leppard...

by **ballbag** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:18 am

True.

by **ballbag** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:19 am

True.

by **conversationpc** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:20 am

A Fire Inside wrote:Well, they ARE touring with Def Leppard...

The success of this tour doesn't have more to do with Def Leppard than it does Journey. Journey's just as popular, if not more so, than DL is in the U.S. right now.

by **ballbag** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:23 am

And Journey write quality spine tingling music, whilst Def Leppard write the most dreadful pop crap.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:23 am

conversationpc wrote:
A Fire Inside wrote:Well, they ARE touring with Def Leppard...

The success of this tour doesn't have more to do with Def Leppard than it does Journey. Journey's just as popular, if not more so, than DL is in the U.S. right now.

You misunderstand... I was pointing out that this tour might be creating more buzz than usual because it's 2 popular classic rock bands instead of just Journey.

by **ballbag** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:24 am

And Journey write quality spine tingling music, whilst Def Leppard write the most dreadful pop crap.

by **brywool** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:39 am

I don't see that there's more of a buzz except in Journey Chat Rooms. They're still being ignored by most press, video channels, radio, and the average Joe Blow. If they were a big deal, the whole "tapegate" thing would've been big news. It was big news here and on Journey's site. Nowhere else. Sure, there were a couple of tiny stories. Big deal.

Just because they have a new singer doesn't mean anything. If they have new management (not sure where that came from) then that might matter. Their present management seems crappy at best. They need Herbie back. He was the 6th Beatle.

I think if Perry came back, there'd be a chance for major press and interest. The reason I say this is because of all the drama associated with the entire thing and it's NEWSWORTHY. AND (and I'm an Augeri fan too) there's magic with Cain/Schon/Perry in the songwriting chemistry. Of course, having said that, there were more memorable songs on Arrival and Generations than on Trial By Fire (my opinion). Outside of When You Love a Women, Can't Tame the Lion, and one or two others, the rest of the album is faceless."Message of Love" is a complete ripoff of "Separate Ways", "Easy to Fall" is a ripoff of "Sweet and Simple", "Trial By Fire" is THE most boring song I've ever heard. They should've put "I Can See it In Your Eyes" and it would've been a better album, but that's another thread...
For my money, Arrival and Generations were better albums.

Also, when Perry came back the first time, there wasn't much press there either. WHY? No Herbie.

The fact that Journey toasted another singers voice and has replaced him with the guy from RockStar is not news to the general pubic. They could care less.

by **Matthew** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:43 am

conversationpc wrote:
A Fire Inside wrote:Well, they ARE touring with Def Leppard...

The success of this tour doesn't have more to do with Def Leppard than it does Journey. Journey's just as popular, if not more so, than DL is in the U.S. right now.

Except - for some strange reason - DL's most recent album got to number 14 on the album chart.

by **Matthew** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:46 am

brywool wrote:"Trial By Fire" is THE most boring song I've ever heard..

Say it isn't so! That song is in my all-time Journey top ten.

by **brywool** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:47 am

TBF??? Really? It goes nowhere... "just another trial by fire". blech...

by **FormerJrnyFan** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:47 am

MATTHEW wrote:Except - for some strange reason - DL's most recent album got to number 14 on the album chart.

Three music stores in my area each have a promo poster for "Yeah" on the front window.

by **Blueskies** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:50 am

I've been seeing a renewed interest in young one's, recently on going back to their rock root's again, their using that 70's type style and sound. Everything has it's season, then eventually come's back around.

by **Matthew** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:58 am

brywool wrote:TBF??? Really? It goes nowhere... "just another trial by fire". blech...

It's so moody and melancholy...and perfectly suits Perry's voice at that stage of his career...plus it's the last song on the last record he sang on...call me a sentimental old poofter but this adds a poignancy to that track...plus it sits so well next to "It's Just The Rain"...another killer.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:03 am

MATTHEW wrote:
brywool wrote:TBF??? Really? It goes nowhere... "just another trial by fire". blech...

It's so moody and melancholy...and perfectly suits Perry's voice at that stage of his career...plus it's the last song on the last record he sang on...call me a sentimental old poofter but this adds a poignancy to that track...plus it sits so well next to "It's Just The Rain"...another killer.

I have to agree. TBF is definitely a song for a certain mood, but it's great to listen to in that mood. It's relaxing.

The only thing I don't like is the Bible quotes in it. When I heard the passage next to the lyrics I thought, "What the...?"

by **Matthew** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:05 am

A Fire Inside wrote:
MATTHEW wrote:
brywool wrote:TBF??? Really? It goes nowhere... "just another trial by fire". blech...

It's so moody and melancholy...and perfectly suits Perry's voice at that stage of his career...plus it's the last song on the last record he sang on...call me a sentimental old poofter but this adds a poignancy to that track...plus it sits so well next to "It's Just The Rain"...another killer.

I have to agree. TBF is definitely a song for a certain mood, but it's great to listen to in that mood. It's relaxing.

The only thing I don't like is the Bible quotes in it. When I heard the passage next to the lyrics I thought, "What the...?"

Bible quotes?

Forgive my ignorance...at my school religious education was scrapped to make way for compulsory sociology.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:10 am

Yeah, the first verse is almost directly quoted from the Bible...

Treasures in the jars of clay
Let the light shine out of darkness
Fallen down but not destroyed
It's just another trial by fire

I had to search Google for the passage, but it's Corinthians:

For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness,"[a]made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair;
persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... version=31

by **conversationpc** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:10 am

A Fire Inside wrote:You misunderstand... I was pointing out that this tour might be creating more buzz than usual because it's 2 popular classic rock bands instead of just Journey.

Gotcha.

The only thing I don't like is the Bible quotes in it. When I heard the passage next to the lyrics I thought, "What the...?"

Why does that offend you so much? That's part of what makes it such a great song.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:12 am

conversationpc wrote:Why does that offend you so much? That's part of what makes it such a great song.

I prefer Journey to be more neutral, that's all.

by **Matthew** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:15 am

A Fire Inside wrote:Yeah, the first verse is almost directly quoted from the Bible...

Treasures in the jars of clay
Let the light shine out of darkness
Fallen down but not destroyed
It's just another trial by fire

I had to search Google for the passage, but it's Corinthians:

For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness,"[a]made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair;
persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... version=31

Wow...I wasn't aware of this...thanks for the info.

MR

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