WYLAW better than ARNEL.....

[ScarabGator]

Don, you left a very intelligent response here and it deserves a reply. I was in Journey/Arnels corner at first. Even though I was a fan of Augeri and JSS, I thought Neal Schon knows more than I do about his band. So I heard all the concerts, interviews, CD's, etc. I really believed patience was in order on the diction thing. Well, its no better and then the Super Bowl thing where he looked like he was going into a drug induced frenzy left me speechless, especially when everyone in the room at my Super Bowl party looked at me and said "what the hell is this...this is Journey?????" I was ashamed of what the band has become and embarassed for being such a total Journey fanatic when the rest of my friends are into Avenge Sevenfold, Linkin Park, Lynrd Skynrd or even country acts like Kenny Chesney, Alan Jackson or Hank Williams Jr. I felt like the village idiot. Patience left me then and hasnt given me any reason to return. I wanted Journey to be great with Arnel (there, better?) Augeri, or JSS. Even Hugo, Jeremey, or Chalfant. I just wanted the Journey to go on as I knew it. But reality is they are not a great band with Arnel, not even on the level of Foreigner, Styx or REO.
And maybe another part of me is pissed at the JSS thing, or Augeri being thrown under the bus, or that they cannot seem to do anything to entice Steve Perry into a reunion and it finally grew a head.

[ScarabGator]

Matt, before you accuse me of pissing on the asian bandwagon maybe you should know one of my best friends, JimRuss is from Thailand and I love him like a brother. Hes my oldest daughters godfather. HEs part of my click. Being from Miami I have lots of nationalities represented in my family, spanish, asian, hell even those crazy ass canadians.
I have never dished on someones origin. But mine gets pissed on all the time. Yes, I may be a redneck but I am one damn proud one. So why is that OK?

[Jana]

Plenty of emotion for me: Beautiful.

Send Her My Love: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOD-niRK ... re=related

WYLAW: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=5MSl1yrhS ... re=related

My beloved Faihtfully,. I will always love Arnel for bringing this song back live for me: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzHfRhJk ... re=related

[Michigan Girl]

Matt, before you accuse me of pissing on the asian bandwagon maybe you should know one of my best friends, JimRuss is from Thailand and I love him like a brother. Hes my oldest daughters godfather. HEs part of my click. Being from Miami I have lots of nationalities represented in my family, spanish, asian, hell even those crazy ass canadians.
I have never dished on someones origin. But mine gets pissed on all the time. Yes, I may be a redneck but I am one damn proud one. So why is that OK?

It's more than OK!!

[Don]

Don, you left a very intelligent response here and it deserves a reply. I was in Journey/Arnels corner at first. Even though I was a fan of Augeri and JSS, I thought Neal Schon knows more than I do about his band. So I heard all the concerts, interviews, CD's, etc. I really believed patience was in order on the diction thing. Well, its no better and then the Super Bowl thing where he looked like he was going into a drug induced frenzy left me speechless, especially when everyone in the room at my Super Bowl party looked at me and said "what the hell is this...this is Journey?????" I was ashamed of what the band has become and embarassed for being such a total Journey fanatic when the rest of my friends are into Avenge Sevenfold, Linkin Park, Lynrd Skynrd or even country acts like Kenny Chesney, Alan Jackson or Hank Williams Jr. I felt like the village idiot. Patience left me then and hasnt given me any reason to return. I wanted Journey to be great with Arnel (there, better?) Augeri, or JSS. Even Hugo, Jeremey, or Chalfant. I just wanted the Journey to go on as I knew it. But reality is they are not a great band with Arnel, not even on the level of Foreigner, Styx or REO.
And maybe another part of me is pissed at the JSS thing, or Augeri being thrown under the bus, or that they cannot seem to do anything to entice Steve Perry into a reunion and it finally grew a head.

Yeah, Arnel's inability to curb his accent, even though other artists have done it and his continued riding of the cover band circuit even though he has had time now to break from that and even put out one or two original singles has really pushed me off of the wagon, myself. I see the band content to continue to pretend it's still 1981 and a singer just happy to get a check with no creative fire at all. The lack of preparation for the Superbowl, even though Pineda had to know how much that performance was going to mean to Jon And Neal really tipped the pot as far as my fandom went. I'd say those two guys were more disappointed than all of us fans but they had hitched their wagon to Arnel and have to take the bad with the good. As long as Neal and Jon have licensing rights for most of the catalog, they can live with the amateurism that's going to happen from time time, I guess.

[Michigan Girl]

We shall see, with this new album that he cowrote ...there should be some emotion involved, if
the words are meaningful to him ...if they hit home!! It could happen ...don't know
about the accent thing, though ...for those who are bothered by that!!

[Deb]

Don, you left a very intelligent response here and it deserves a reply. I was in Journey/Arnels corner at first. Even though I was a fan of Augeri and JSS, I thought Neal Schon knows more than I do about his band. So I heard all the concerts, interviews, CD's, etc. I really believed patience was in order on the diction thing. Well, its no better and then the Super Bowl thing.....

I understand ya on that one. For example, I loooove this duet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9fWvTR80 I like the gal's voice and tone, sings with plenty of feeling, and compliments his voice, but her lack of pronunciation (sometimes not saying the full word) takes a little away from that for me.

[brywool]

Some good points, part of Arnels lack of feel are also related to the fact that he has no connection to the songs....

Regarding "No connection"

"Turn Down The World Tonight" has PLENTY of connection. He sings the hell out of it. He sings "Only the Young" better live and recorded than Perry did, though he did not write it. Was also brilliant on "What I Needed".

NOBODY is saying Arnel is better (again, show me those posts where people are doing that). Most things, Perry did better. A few things, I'm digging Arnel on more. So what? Takes nothing away from either of them.

My God, the guy's had ONE album of songs that were already written by the time that he got into the band. It's not like he got to put his OWN stamp on any of those writing-wise. The guy came in, sang the crap out of what was there and toured like a mofo and held up and came back for more. He's been extremely cool to Journey fans, though the majority of them have crapped all over him.

So what if he's grown to legendary status in his own country and people? Good for him and good for his people. Is it deserved? That's up to those that see him in that light, not a bunch of disgruntled Perry/Augeri/JSS fans. Let him have his moment.

I just don't get the need to constantly slam the guy at all. He's doing his thing. Journey's other singers are doing theirs. I'd rather have a Pineda Journey than no Journey- AND I give the guy props. I only have been bothered by his accent at the Superbowl thing. The rest of the time, I notice it when he speaks, but not when he sings.

And this other stuff about The South and The West... jeez. I don't dig SG's constant dogging of Pineda, but he's cool. Everybody here for the most part is friendly with each other, yet things can sure get stupid. Deano's a windbag. Everyone knows it. But he's still hilarious and is a cool guy.

Everybody take a deep breath and chill. Maybe if you would all just go put on "Piano with a View" it would mellow you out and put things in their proper perspective...

[portland]

Don, you left a very intelligent response here and it deserves a reply. I was in Journey/Arnels corner at first. Even though I was a fan of Augeri and JSS, I thought Neal Schon knows more than I do about his band. So I heard all the concerts, interviews, CD's, etc. I really believed patience was in order on the diction thing. Well, its no better and then the Super Bowl thing where he looked like he was going into a drug induced frenzy left me speechless, especially when everyone in the room at my Super Bowl party looked at me and said "what the hell is this...this is Journey?????" I was ashamed of what the band has become and embarassed for being such a total Journey fanatic when the rest of my friends are into Avenge Sevenfold, Linkin Park, Lynrd Skynrd or even country acts like Kenny Chesney, Alan Jackson or Hank Williams Jr. I felt like the village idiot. Patience left me then and hasnt given me any reason to return. I wanted Journey to be great with Arnel (there, better?) Augeri, or JSS. Even Hugo, Jeremey, or Chalfant. I just wanted the Journey to go on as I knew it. But reality is they are not a great band with Arnel, not even on the level of Foreigner, Styx or REO.
And maybe another part of me is pissed at the JSS thing, or Augeri being thrown under the bus, or that they cannot seem to do anything to entice Steve Perry into a reunion and it finally grew a head.

Yeah, Arnel's inability to curb his accent, even though other artists have done it and his continued riding of the cover band circuit even though he has had time now to break from that and even put out one or two original singles has really pushed me off of the wagon, myself. I see the band content to continue to pretend it's still 1981 and a singer just happy to get a check with no creative fire at all. The lack of preparation for the Superbowl, even though Pineda had to know how much that performance was going to mean to Jon And Neal really tipped the pot as far as my fandom went. I'd say those two guys were more disappointed than all of us fans but they had hitched their wagon to Arnel and have to take the bad with the good. As long as Neal and Jon have licensing rights for most of the catalog, they can live with the amateurism that's going to happen from time time, I guess.

Good post.....it's all a matter of what you want from the band...for some it's just what they are looking for...for me not so much.


Bry......that is a good one....

[portland]

Plenty of emotion for me: Beautiful.

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOD-niRK ... re=related

Welcome back Jana....I have been missing your posts!

[Michigan Girl]

Don, you left a very intelligent response here and it deserves a reply. I was in Journey/Arnels corner at first. Even though I was a fan of Augeri and JSS, I thought Neal Schon knows more than I do about his band. So I heard all the concerts, interviews, CD's, etc. I really believed patience was in order on the diction thing. Well, its no better and then the Super Bowl thing.....

I understand ya on that one. For example, I loooove this duet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9fWvTR80 I like the gal's voice and tone, sings with plenty of feeling, and compliments his voice, but her lack of pronunciation (sometimes not saying the full word) takes a little away from that for me.

aahhhh yes ...that's the way I felt about the WYLAW clip posted here
somewhere ...this same type thing ruined it for me, and the lack of GOD I"VE MET THE WOMAN
OF MY DREAMS, I WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE WITH HER OR I WOULD JUST RATHER DIE emotion!!

[ScarabGator]

well let me be the first to say evryone above this post and below my last one above has added some terrific comments to this thread and I think you guys are all good folk! Its ok to disagree, hell thats what makes this country so damn awesome! Yall come to the south sometime, we'll go fishing! My buddy has a beautiful Ranger bass boat and I have the nicest little pond across the street.....hell, we'll even string out some trot lines!

[Michigan Girl]

Are you cutting us off?!?!

[ScarabGator]

Are you cutting us off?!?!

I'd never cut you off you sexy thing.

[Michigan Girl]

Are you cutting us off?!?!

I'd never cut you off you sexy thing.

ha ha ...for a second I thought you said, "go listen to
Piano With A View" ... lol, Brywool!!

[Babyblue]

i am a california native and i am loyal to a fault. i don't drop people. i know you probably are making your gross generalization to make a point. i don't think all folks from the south are rednecks. i don't think all southern folks are ignorant.

californioa is a pretty wonderful place and is a melting pot of cultures. i am sorry you don't see the beauty. we have the redwoods, muir woods, and countless beautiful beaches, mountains, desserts, missions.... california is truly a beautiful state.

as for dean and followers.... come on, you've been here long enough to know we are all of free will and opinion. the "arnie boy" is old, tired, spent. find a new insult.

Well i would love to see California, i have heard it was beautiful.Also want to go to San Diego as well.

[Deb]

Don, you left a very intelligent response here and it deserves a reply. I was in Journey/Arnels corner at first. Even though I was a fan of Augeri and JSS, I thought Neal Schon knows more than I do about his band. So I heard all the concerts, interviews, CD's, etc. I really believed patience was in order on the diction thing. Well, its no better and then the Super Bowl thing.....

I understand ya on that one. For example, I loooove this duet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9fWvTR80 I like the gal's voice and tone, sings with plenty of feeling, and compliments his voice, but her lack of pronunciation (sometimes not saying the full word) takes a little away from that for me.

aahhhh yes ...that's the way I felt about the WYLAW clip posted here
somewhere ...this same type thing ruined it for me, and the lack of GOD I"VE MET THE WOMAN
OF MY DREAMS, I WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE WITH HER OR I WOULD JUST RATHER DIE emotion!!

I'm with ya Soul Sistah!! Whether it be a rocker with passion or a ballad with emotion, we gotta FEEL the song, not just damn well HEAR it!

[portland]

Don, you left a very intelligent response here and it deserves a reply. I was in Journey/Arnels corner at first. Even though I was a fan of Augeri and JSS, I thought Neal Schon knows more than I do about his band. So I heard all the concerts, interviews, CD's, etc. I really believed patience was in order on the diction thing. Well, its no better and then the Super Bowl thing.....

I understand ya on that one. For example, I loooove this duet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9fWvTR80 I like the gal's voice and tone, sings with plenty of feeling, and compliments his voice, but her lack of pronunciation (sometimes not saying the full word) takes a little away from that for me.

aahhhh yes ...that's the way I felt about the WYLAW clip posted here
somewhere ...this same type thing ruined it for me, and the lack of GOD I"VE MET THE WOMAN
OF MY DREAMS, I WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE WITH HER OR I WOULD JUST RATHER DIE emotion!!

I'm with ya Soul Sistah!! Whether it be a rocker with passion or a ballad with emotion, we gotta FEEL the song, not just damn well HEAR it!

+1

[brywool]

And Peace came to the land

[Don]

It's about time for a discussion on how much the Beatles suck. It'll have to hold until after lunch though.

[brywool]

I'm with ya Soul Sistah!! Whether it be a rocker with passion or a ballad with emotion, we gotta FEEL the song, not just damn well HEAR it!

+1

yeah yeah whatever. Why do I get the feeling that if Perry looked like this guy



That so many of you wouldn't give him a second listen?

[brywool]

It's about time for a discussion on how much the Beatles suck. It'll have to hold until after lunch though.

I will need to start swearing in my posts I think!

[portland]

It's about time for a discussion on how much the Beatles suck. It'll have to hold until after lunch though.

I will need to start swearing in my posts I think!

What happened to peace and happiness??

[Michigan Girl]

yeah yeah whatever. Why do I get the feeling that if Perry looked like this guy
That so many of you wouldn't give him a second listen?

You're a singer, I know you know
we aren't that shallow at our ages, right?!?! I mean, we are talking about one of the greatest
voices of all time ...not JBJ!! whom I love!!

[brywool]

yeah yeah whatever. Why do I get the feeling that if Perry looked like this guy
That so many of you wouldn't give him a second listen?

You're a singer, I know you know
we aren't that shallow at our ages, right?!?! I mean, we are talking about one of the greatest
voices of all time?!?!

I know.
It's just odd how so many of Perry's biggest defenders are women.
(just messing with you)

[steveo777]

yeah yeah whatever. Why do I get the feeling that if Perry looked like this guy
That so many of you wouldn't give him a second listen?

You're a singer, I know you know
we aren't that shallow at our ages, right?!?! I mean, we are talking about one of the greatest
voices of all time?!?!

I know.
It's just odd how so many of Perry's biggest defenders are women.
(just messing with you)

Now that is the truth!
(but you left out the middle aged, gray haired, leather skinned & dry vag parts)

[Michigan Girl]

yeah yeah whatever. Why do I get the feeling that if Perry looked like this guy
That so many of you wouldn't give him a second listen?

You're a singer, I know you know
we aren't that shallow at our ages, right?!?! I mean, we are talking about one of the greatest
voices of all time?!?!

I know.
It's just odd how so many of Perry's biggest defenders are women.
(just messing with you)

Well, you may be on to something here, Bry ...do you think some women may
require that certain level of emotion in their singers ...as in life?!?! Hmmm, you
may have saved us years of therapy!!

[brywool]

yeah yeah whatever. Why do I get the feeling that if Perry looked like this guy
That so many of you wouldn't give him a second listen?

You're a singer, I know you know
we aren't that shallow at our ages, right?!?! I mean, we are talking about one of the greatest
voices of all time?!?!

I know.
It's just odd how so many of Perry's biggest defenders are women.
(just messing with you)

Well, you may be on to something here, Bry ...do you think some women may
require that certain level of emotion in their singers ...as in life?!?! Hmmm, you
may have saved us years of therapy!!

I have no idea what women think. No man does.

[Deb]

I'm with ya Soul Sistah!! Whether it be a rocker with passion or a ballad with emotion, we gotta FEEL the song, not just damn well HEAR it!

+1

yeah yeah whatever. Why do I get the feeling that if Perry looked like this guy



That so many of you wouldn't give him a second listen?

Not true, if I like a vocal I like a vocal......doesn't matter what package it's in. Was just discussing this guy in another thread.......I looove this guy's voice too, and ya don't get much more goofy........ MG, you'll get a kick out of this vid not sure if you remember it ( totally corny 80s vid, gotta love it, but it's a cute ending).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yfs4MgFzaI

[Deb]

yeah yeah whatever. Why do I get the feeling that if Perry looked like this guy
That so many of you wouldn't give him a second listen?

You're a singer, I know you know
we aren't that shallow at our ages, right?!?! I mean, we are talking about one of the greatest
voices of all time?!?!

I know.
It's just odd how so many of Perry's biggest defenders are women.
(just messing with you)

Just as certain sports hero's biggest defenders are men. Rockstars are to women what sports heros are to men.