President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[fredinator]

I meant they buy these things for their students, Einstein.

[Lula]

yikes! have a bad experience in school separate wayz?

for the amount of higher education one must have to become a teacher i'd say overall teachers are a bit underpaid and are absolutely valued less by society than other professions requiring a 4 year degree and then some.

i did not go into teaching to become rich. i can't complain as i'm able to provide for my son, we do alright.

the amount of out of pocket expense is something i don't like to think about. i keep snacks, supplies (paper, pencils...), rewards in the classroom. i pay for all of the 'decor.' i supply books for a library in class. we get a standard 200 write off for taxes. I wish i only had to spend 200 a year on "supplies."

[separate_wayz]

I meant they buy these things for their students, Einstein.

Completely aware of that -- and that's what I was responding to. Teachers pay for some of their own supplies for their students .... and it doesn't matter. Many, many, many other professional positions pay for unreimbursed expenses. Teachers seem to be the only ones who've elevated that into some kind of exaggerated marytrdom.

yikes! have a bad experience in school separate wayz?

for the amount of higher education one must have to become a teacher i'd say overall teachers are a bit underpaid and are absolutely valued less by society than other professions requiring a 4 year degree and then some.

i did not go into teaching to become rich. i can't complain as i'm able to provide for my son, we do alright.

the amount of out of pocket expense is something i don't like to think about. i keep snacks, supplies (paper, pencils...), rewards in the classroom. i pay for all of the 'decor.' i supply books for a library in class. we get a standard 200 write off for taxes. I wish i only had to spend 200 a year on "supplies."

Actually, no, Lula -- I had a great experience in school. Had great grades, went on to several excellent universities, eventually leaving with a graduate degree. Again -- some very, very good teachers along the way. Many, many mediocre ones .... and a few that were just totally stupid dumbasses, barely literate who infused their classrooms with political horseshit at every opportunity. (I'm talking here about teachers in the elementary and middle school grades.)

It's human nature to believe that your own work is "underappreciated" and "underpaid", while everyone else is somehow "overpaid". In the case of public school teachers, however, the reality is probably better stated in my original post. Teachers' pay and benefits are generous by almost any comparable standard, including other public sector employees.

The reason for my post is that this notion of "underpaid" public school teachers is a sacred cow that needs to die. They're not underpaid. We can all think of particular teachers who were memorably good. But society as a whole doesn't owe the public school teaching lobby a bunch of mea culpas and some kind of unlimited claim on the public purse.

[Eric]

I think teachers should make more than they do. Period. However, they go into it knowing that they aren't going to be making much money. They should be the last ones complaining.

you're right. anyone going into teaching for the money is a fool, sorry it is a decent living tho. as long as i can keep a roof over our heads, feed our bellies and have a little fun i'm fine. i just want to give my son a good life, simple, but good.

Depends where you are. An experienced teacher here in Rochester, NY makes an average of 60K with summers off. I'll never even come to close to doing that well (in todays dollars and considering the summers off)

[Eric]

yak- my deal with healthcare reform is wanting to see costs brought down, correct the wrongs such as being dropped for having cancer etc, and help those that are uninsured. i'm a lucky one, i have good insurance, but it costs a lot. i don't have the answers, i just want it done.

We may have to accomplish this ourselves with some creativity, switching and complaining.

[Barb]

Obama Czar’s SHOCK ADMISSION: ‘Green Jobs’ Goal is ‘Complete Revolution’ Away From ‘Gray Capitalism’

"We are going to push it and push it and push it."

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-czars-sho ... apitalism/

"suicidal" was the word I believe he used to describe capitalism. This guy has got to go.

[Barb]

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53363


White House Seeks to Capture and Archive Citizens’ Comments on its Facebook, YouTube, MySpace Sites

[Lula]

i'm curious, fact finder, do you wake up and search your right wing websites for doom and gloom to share here?

[Lula]

It's human nature to believe that your own work is "underappreciated" and "underpaid", while everyone else is somehow "overpaid". In the case of public school teachers, however, the reality is probably better stated in my original post. Teachers' pay and benefits are generous by almost any comparable standard, including other public sector employees.

maybe it is, but i've experienced it first hand. i didn't go into teaching for money or praise, i went into teaching because it's what i was meant to do. tell me this about the "other public sector employees" you are referring to- how much education do do they need for these professions?

[Ehwmatt]

It's human nature to believe that your own work is "underappreciated" and "underpaid", while everyone else is somehow "overpaid". In the case of public school teachers, however, the reality is probably better stated in my original post. Teachers' pay and benefits are generous by almost any comparable standard, including other public sector employees.

maybe it is, but i've experienced it first hand. i didn't go into teaching for money or praise, i went into teaching because it's what i was meant to do. tell me this about the "other public sector employees" you are referring to- how much education do do they need for these professions?

Same thing I say for doctors, lawyers, and other professionals requiring education beyond college - they deserve to make more $. I agree with you 100%. More education = More time and $. If time is money, then time and $ is certainly money.

[Barb]

As Barack Obama prepares a nationwide broadcast to America's students next Tuesday, it has been revealed that Democrats complained in 1991 when then President George H. W. Bush broadcast a speech from a Northwest Washington junior high school.

In fact, the House Majority leader at the time, Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), said "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students."

Such was reported by the Washington Post on October 3, 1991:

House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.

The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' "

Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town. [...]


Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.), chairwoman of the Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families, said it was outrageous for the White House to "start using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education programs.

Rep. Martin Frost (D-Tex.) said that if Bush feels obliged to use government funds to hire outside consultants "to make him look good," then he should fire some of the public relations experts on the White House payroll. "Then the president might be more sympathetic to unemployment benefits," Frost said, referring to Bush's threat to veto legislation to extend benefits.

And that was just to ONE SCHOOL!!

[RedWingFan]

i'm curious, fact finder, do you wake up and search your right wing websites for doom and gloom to share here?

American's standing up to Socialists/Communists in the White House isn't doom and gloom.

[Lula]

it doesn't bother me, i was just curious. you post many many 'news stories' and in all honesty i don't read all of them. the author's name usually has something to do with me reading the story. "cal thomas" no thanks. i'm a news junkie as well, i just don't bother posting all i read or see. i'm all for people standing up for their beliefs. this country needs dissent to keep it balanced.

[Eric]

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53363


White House Seeks to Capture and Archive Citizens’ Comments on its Facebook, YouTube, MySpace Sites

Someone is making a LIST

[Barb]

Now we find out that Van Jones is also a 9/11 truther. WTF is this cretin doing anywhere near the POTUS?

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 6093059633

Signatory #46

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Do your country and yourself a favor and read this one. Please????

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... e-NHS.html

Sentenced to death on the NHS

Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.

Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.


--snip--

Sounds like the Brits are putting old folks to sleep.

No suprise here. The essence of Ecomomics is all about the allocation of scarce goods - who gets what. When a free market allocates goods, it does it without bias to race, age or value judgements , . When a govt or central agency makes the decisions around scarce goods , it starts making value judgements- who gets what on the basis of suitability - e.g ege, physical condition, behavior. . A couple of years ago the NHS came out with a suggestion that smokers, heavy drinkers, and fat people might not get treated in the future. The perfect example why socialism leads to the loss of freedom.

[yak]

Do your country and yourself a favor and read this one. Please????

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... e-NHS.html

Sentenced to death on the NHS

Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.

Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.


--snip--

Sounds like the Brits are putting old folks to sleep.

Coming soon to your doorstep, if America the sleeping giant fails to awaken.

[yak]

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53363


White House Seeks to Capture and Archive Citizens’ Comments on its Facebook, YouTube, MySpace Sites

Someone is making a LIST

And how do you love the choice of wording in the article?

"Anyone who posts comments on the White House’s Facebook, MySpace, YouTube and Twitter pages will have their statements captured and permanently archived by the federal government, according to a plan that the White House is now seeking a contractor to carry out."

Reminds me of somebody putting out a contract on somebody's life. These are "bait and catch" mob mentality type tactics.

[Lula]

yeah, ff, i know how it works. i do thank you for the lesson tho.

[treetopovskaya]

Now we find out that Van Jones is also a 9/11 truther. WTF is this cretin doing anywhere near the POTUS?

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 6093059633

Signatory #46

he also thinks white people are poisoning minorities. }:C\

*sigh*

[Barb]

Now we find out that Van Jones is also a 9/11 truther. WTF is this cretin doing anywhere near the POTUS?

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 6093059633

Signatory #46

he also thinks white people are poisoning minorities. }:C\

*sigh*

Why does that sound so familiar? Oh ya...

[treetopovskaya]

yikes! }:CS

"Health reform supporter bites off fingertip of passerby at rally, authorities say"

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 8431.story

[Eric]

Its Friday afternoon of a Holiday weekend with Monday being a holiday and the speech is Tuesday AM

Where is the advanced text?

FYI: I have learned that the speech is 15-20 minutes...not an hour as I previously thought

[separate_wayz]

The Fox Panel said to expect Van Jones to be gone by Monday Morning.

This guy's the definition of a moronic, loudmouthed, racist loon-ball.

[Lula]

that is totally messed up to refuse a mother's request to be in class. not acceptable, not at all.

[Lula]

clearly many people disagree with the planned address to students. schools and parents should make the decision whether or not to air the address. some will, some won't. good thing we aren't a country that has government controlling the airwaves. i still don't have a problem with an address to encourage students to try hard, take school seriously, respect their teachers , and set goals. and this goes for any presidential address to students with the caveat that ideology/politics are left completely out.

[RedWingFan]

good thing we aren't a country that has government controlling the airwaves.

Trust me, they're working on "Chavezing" it. Give him time, he's only been in office for what, 7 or 8 months?

[Lula]

of course they are

[Barb]

of course they are

You haven't heard about Mark Lloyd and his plans? If you had, maybe you wouldn't be rolling your eyes.

[Lula]

his desire to bring back the fairness doctrine? favoring public airwaves? i don't know what you're referencing. didn't glenn beck highlight lloyd?