President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

fine them into it!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090908/ap_ ... e_overhaul

What crock of shit.

Esentially FORCE people into the new Government run socialist pardigm by fining them until they do.

Yeah...freedom isn't free...and to prove it...here is a $3800 fine!

Assholes...Reid and Pelosi have to go.

80% of the country or so is against this, but they are going to do it anyways.

[treetopovskaya]

i thought obama's speech was going to be just to pre k-6th graders... i feel a little foolish now. saying it was creepy.

i really liked his speech. well done.

[G.I.Jim]

Good solid speech, except for the following, otherwise I have no issues and think its a good idea:


You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.

That's all fine on its face speaking to kids, at least those under the age of 16. Of course we all know that parsing it we get the following:

Ending discrimination = Increase affirmative action, keep demonizing the white man
Ending homelessness = Redistribute wealth from those who work to those who don't
Protecting our environment = Someday I'd love to see the government tell you how long you can watch TV and have your lights on in your house
Make our nation more fair and free = See "ending homelessness" and "ending discrimination" entries ^^

Once again Matt... I agree 100%! As far as the kids go, I don't have a problem with his speach. But like you said, we all know what he means.

[jrnychick]

The speech the President is giving to students and teachers has been released.

A speech which some have been in an uproar about and some are even boycotting it so their children don't hear it. A speech which talks about taking responsibility and given with only the intent to motivate. Things that are good for all to hear and just as other Presidents have done in the past it IS the place of the President of the country to address the citizenry to motivate them, encourage them and to tell them they are a part of their society and it's their responsibilty to take advantage of their education and make the most out of it and be the best they can be. The children hold the future.
How sad that some parents due to their political bias and jumping to conclusions before the fact from what they hear from politically biased fear mongering... would not want their children to hear something like this. Things are being said in this speech that I would think all parents and citizens of this country would agree on.

Partisan politics have gotten totally out of hand once again. If people want to stay so stuck to only their views without hearing others and quit talking rationally about issues and not work together on solving problems nothing will ever get done. Stagnation from fear..prejudging, misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions and the need to be "always right" and not admit wrong and being so entrenched in beliefs to not being open to listening and discussing to try to resolve differences and problems ......well.....such entrenchment will not solve anything but will only cause further decline.
Just like when a pond gets stagnant....all life in the water dies.
It's past time for politicians and the voting public to stop being so partisan, stop trying to shut down the oppositions voice and stop being so closed off from listening to what is actually being said and stop interjecting what is not said into it and stop being closed off to other solutions.....so much so that we then become totally stagnant.

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I think the problem here is that many of us just don't trust Obama. He's just spent a good portion of the summer trying to ram a healthcare bill down our throats. Now people who don't agree with him are starting to stand up and speak out. I don't think he realized that conservatives would not roll over and just take it. My problem with this speech was with the associated materials that went along with it. With the speech being aired during the day, it completely takes parents out of the equation. We had a big problem with my daughter's teacher last year being vocal about who she was voting for and why. With a group of third graders, I didn't think that was appropriate, and it did influence my child's opinions. I don't want my child's teacher pushing her political agenda on my child.

We were told by our school district that the airing of the speech would be left up to individual teachers. We read the speech yesterday and decided that the message was a good one, so our daughter could watch it with her class if it was shown. We did ask the teacher in writing to exclude our daughter from any discussions before or after the speech. Politics is one of the things that we think is best discussed at home.

[Saint John]

Total socialism. Calm and collected with the kids and angry and forceful with the adults.

[Ehwmatt]

Total socialism. Calm and collected with the kids and angry and forceful with the adults.

See my translation of doublespeak above, good sir

[Ehwmatt]

Good solid speech, except for the following, otherwise I have no issues and think its a good idea:


You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.

That's all fine on its face speaking to kids, at least those under the age of 16. Of course we all know that parsing it we get the following:

Ending discrimination = Increase affirmative action, keep demonizing the white man
Ending homelessness = Redistribute wealth from those who work to those who don't
Protecting our environment = Someday I'd love to see the government tell you how long you can watch TV and have your lights on in your house
Make our nation more fair and free = See "ending homelessness" and "ending discrimination" entries ^^

Once again Matt... I agree 100%! As far as the kids go, I don't have a problem with his speach. But like you said, we all know what he means.

Yep, plant the abstract seeds now and give them the details once the groundwork has been laid.

You know what they say, start em young so they'll grow to love the taste of socialist cum

[Saint John]

Total socialism. Calm and collected with the kids and angry and forceful with the adults.

See my translation of doublespeak above, good sir

Very articulate and, more importantly, correct! He forgot one that I was hoping he'd mention..."Stockpile lots of guns and ammunition and shoot any motherfucker that tries to take what you've worked hard for!"

[Monker]

I think the problem here is that many of us just don't trust Obama.

No, the problem is there are a lot of hate filled bastards in the world who are angry that Bush and his 'compassionate conservatism' ran the country into the ground and drove the majority of the country towards the most liberal president in our nation's history.

This is just a bunch of hypocritical bullshit, IMO. If it were 7yrs ago under Bush most of the people whining today would be preaching to respect the presidency and his position in authority in this country. Instead, since we have a leader who you do not agree with, you would rather teach your children to disrespect those in authority over you. You either respect the presidency or your don't. By the way most 'conservatives' act, I don't think they do.

He's just spent a good portion of the summer trying to ram a healthcare bill down our throats.

Better then a war that we should have never fought. And, it's your representatives in congress who have to pass the Health Care thing. Whining about Obama isn't what would stop it anyway.

I don't think he realized that conservatives would not roll over and just take it.

Maybe not. But, I bet he also didn't expect Hitler comparisons from the right wing either. Again, that disrespects the presidency as a whole, and the country. How sad that this is how the 'conservatives' of this nation feel is the best way to make a point and start a debate. I don't think I could ever vote for a Republican after the insanity they have spewed the past few moths. They are acting absolutely unAmerican, IMO. To think that this type of talk comes from the same people who advised people to leave the country if they didn't like how Bush was dealing with Iraq and the various wars he started. Maybe they are ones who should leave the country since they have so little respect for the presidency and the country as a whole. But, then again, I shouldn't be too suprices that McCarthism tactics come from the Republican part.

My problem with this speech was with the associated materials that went along with it. With the speech being aired during the day

Bullshit. Your problem with the speach is who is giving it and all of the propaganda being vomitted forth by zealous right wing idiots who don't give a damn about this country, only their ratings and the feeding frenzy they are creating with their words.

Politics is one of the things that we think is best discussed at home.

Funny how 'conservatives' blow up over this....but WANT religion in school which I think is a MUCH scarier thought then a political discussion.

[artist4perry]

Leave this thread a while and it is still the same...............my sig says it all..........

[Eric]

This is just a bunch of hypocritical bullshit, IMO. If it were 7yrs ago under Bush most of the people whining today would be preaching to respect the presidency and his position in authority in this country. Instead, since we have a leader who you do not agree with, you would rather teach your children to disrespect those in authority over you. You either respect the presidency or your don't. By the way most 'conservatives' act, I don't think they do.

With any previous President, you didn't have to worry about their background like you do with this guy. He actually did appoint Van Jones...that isn't some right-wing conspiracy..and Jones did and said what he did.

Funny how 'conservatives' blow up over this....but WANT religion in school which I think is a MUCH scarier thought then a political discussion.

I have to agree with this. Where I break from the GOP is on religion...I don't subscribe to it all.

[AlteredDNA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4r6YCUtxfs

[Eric]

A pro and a con for Obama today:

Pro: I like his idea to tear down vacant run-down houses and create more open space, including trees, in these neighborhoods

Con: He's cozying up with the UN too much....they are an organization without our best interest in mind. I don't want a global currency.

[Behshad]

A pro and a con for Obama today:

Pro: I like his idea to tear down vacant run-down houses and create more open space, including trees, in these neighborhoods

Con: He's cozying up with the UN too much....they are an organization without our best interest in mind. I don't want a global currency.

yep youre right,, good thing we didnt listen to UN 7 years ago and went into Iraq and totally won the war without any lives lost

[strangegrey]

Is The Won going to draw his line in the sand?

Only if his teleprompter instructs him to....

[Eric]

A pro and a con for Obama today:

Pro: I like his idea to tear down vacant run-down houses and create more open space, including trees, in these neighborhoods

Con: He's cozying up with the UN too much....they are an organization without our best interest in mind. I don't want a global currency.

yep youre right,, good thing we didnt listen to UN 7 years ago and went into Iraq and totally won the war without any lives lost

UN oil for food scandal: http://www.heritage.org/research/intern ... bg1748.cfm

Thats why the UN didn't want us in Iraq.

[donnaplease]

I received this in an email. I thought I'd share it for those that might be interested. The guys is a total dweeb but makes some good points.

http://www.pjtv.com/v/2317

[Behshad]

A pro and a con for Obama today:

Pro: I like his idea to tear down vacant run-down houses and create more open space, including trees, in these neighborhoods

Con: He's cozying up with the UN too much....they are an organization without our best interest in mind. I don't want a global currency.

yep youre right,, good thing we didnt listen to UN 7 years ago and went into Iraq and totally won the war without any lives lost

UN oil for food scandal: http://www.heritage.org/research/intern ... bg1748.cfm

Thats why the UN didn't want us in Iraq.

Ah, So I guess the Oil For Food is whats still killing Iraqis and Americans even to this day

You really think if there was NO OIL in Iraq, US or UN would give a damn about freedom, democracy and humanitarian help ?

[Rockindeano]

Is The Won going to draw his line in the sand?

Only if his teleprompter instructs him to....

This is gonna get real interesting in the next few hours. A big chunk of American Freedom hangs in the balance.

Oh for the love of God, shut the fuck up already. You big whiny bitch. You aren't going to lose one Goddamned freedom. Fuck you.

Obama stood up to your party's lies and deceit, called you all on it, and now 2/3rds of the country (+14 points overnight), supports the plan. Good. It's coming. Suck on the results. It's about time.

[Rockindeano]

Glenn Beck is putting the smackdown on some ACORN Workers in Baltimore...Fox has video. Apparently ACORN workers were helping a pimp and prostitute to get a home loan for a brothel and bring 13/14 yo girls from El Salvadore to pimp out there.

Holy Shit...the videos are amazing. Someone is going to jail.

First off, nice diversion, loser.

Secondly, are you trying to imply that ACORN is primarily Democratic? Dude, you are going to spin yourself into the ground today.

Also, if this shit was happening, someone needs to go to jail. of course the former Vice president should also go to jail, but we won't discuss that here will we?

[lights1961]

Is The Won going to draw his line in the sand?

Only if his teleprompter instructs him to....

This is gonna get real interesting in the next few hours. A big chunk of American Freedom hangs in the balance.

Oh for the love of God, shut the fuck up already. You big whiny bitch. You aren't going to lose one Goddamned freedom. Fuck you.

Obama stood up to your party's lies and deceit, called you all on it, and now 2/3rds of the country (+14 points overnight), supports the plan. Good. It's coming. Suck on the results. It's about time.

some parts are good... other parts are bad... but make no mistake... he wants control of the whole HEALTH CARE system... read between the lines.... IF the program is for only 5% of the NATION... why does he need to OVERHAUL THE WHOLE SYSTEM... it doesnt make sense... who will pay for it... the middle class... and he knows he is lies when he says the COST WONT GO UP... THATS NUTS, to believe that.



Rick

[Rockindeano]

Rick, The ENTIRE system is broken. EVERYONE is paying too much. He didn't lie. He is trying to accomplish a humanly mission, a mission that should have been done decades ago. He is great when he is Candidate Obama, but not so great when he governs from the WH. Last night, he buried the latter problem. Up 14 points. Nice.

He rightfully called the republicans liars and indirectly, Palin as the biggest fraud of them all(you get that?). Then a SC bozo yells out Liar, and all Hell has broken out yet again in the GOP. Just when they thought they weren't dead anymore, boom! Back in the box. Hahahahaha, fuck em. They are so embarrassing.

[Voyager]

CNN Poll: Double-digit post-speech jump for Obama plan
Posted: September 10th, 2009 05:01 AM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Two out of three Americans who watched President Barack Obama's health care reform speech Wednesday night favor his health care plans — a 14-point gain among speech-watchers, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation national poll of people who tuned into Obama's address Wednesday night to a joint session of Congress.

Sixty-seven percent of people questioned in the survey say they support Obama's health care reform proposals that the president outlined in his address, with 29 percent opposed. Those figures are almost identical to a poll conducted immediately after Bill Clinton's health care speech before Congress in September, 1993.

The audience for the speech appears to be more Democratic than the U.S. population as a whole. Because of this, the results may favor Obama simply because more Democrats than Republicans tune into the speech. The poll surveyed the opinions of people who watched Wednesday night's speech, and does not reflect the views of all Americans.

[strangegrey]

The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.

No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?

I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...

But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"


Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....

[Behshad]

The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.

No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?

I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...

But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"


Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....

He'll find it between the same sofa pillows where Bush found the $ to fund the 2 wars we're currently fighting Only difference is O's money will be used to save lives

[RedWingFan]

Rick, The ENTIRE system is broken. EVERYONE is paying too much. He didn't lie. He is trying to accomplish a humanly mission, a mission that should have been done decades ago. He is great when he is Candidate Obama, but not so great when he governs from the WH. Last night, he buried the latter problem. Up 14 points. Nice.

He rightfully called the republicans liars and indirectly, Palin as the biggest fraud of them all(you get that?). Then a SC bozo yells out Liar, and all Hell has broken out yet again in the GOP. Just when they thought they weren't dead anymore, boom! Back in the box. Hahahahaha, fuck em. They are so embarrassing.

Wow! That is amazing Dean!!! I wonder how that happened, what a wonderful speaker!
Then again maybe it's just the state run media working hand in hand with the bamster.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... bama-plan/

The sample of speech-watchers in this poll was 45 percent Democratic and 18 percent Republican. Our best estimate of the number of Democrats in the voting age population as a whole indicates that the sample is about 8-10 points more Democratic than the population as a whole.

[Blueskies]

Is The Won going to draw his line in the sand?

Only if his teleprompter instructs him to....

This is gonna get real interesting in the next few hours. A big chunk of American Freedom hangs in the balance.

Oh for the love of God, shut the fuck up already. You big whiny bitch. You aren't going to lose one Goddamned freedom. Fuck you.

Obama stood up to your party's lies and deceit, called you all on it, and now 2/3rds of the country (+14 points overnight), supports the plan. Good. It's coming. Suck on the results. It's about time.

some parts are good... other parts are bad... but make no mistake... he wants control of the whole HEALTH CARE system... read between the lines.... IF the program is for only 5% of the NATION... why does he need to OVERHAUL THE WHOLE SYSTEM... it doesnt make sense... who will pay for it... the middle class... and he knows he is lies when he says the COST WONT GO UP... THATS NUTS, to believe that.



Rick

Your fear of " control " the whole system is just that, a fear. What is actually being talked about is a restructuring of the system that exists, tweeking it and maybe add on a part for better performance....as when anything is not working up to par. When your car is not working to optimum performance...certain parts need fixed.. it needs an overhaul which will benefit the entire engine and body....not just put a patch on a part here and there. If your cars busted, not working well...do you continue to just throw a patch on or eventually do things break down to the point that the whole thing needs an overhaul before it breaks down completely? A whole new car isn't being brought in to replace....they are trying to repair and improve the old one.

It makes sense in anything that if there is tons of waste....money being spent in useless and draining ways...if those leaks are found and repaired then that money could in itself more then likely pay for a great percentage of it, if not all ...if managed and balanced correctly. When the spending waste is tremendous, finding all the waste and redirecting it can pay for a tremendous amount of good. Just like your lifestyle...if you eliminate the wasteful spending you do, like paying $7 for a cup of coffee for instance and change bad habits....you save all the money from wasteful spending which adds up quickly and can then redirect it to pay for something more beneficial.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.

No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?

I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...

But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"


Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....

He'll find it between the same sofa pillows where Bush found the $ to fund the 2 wars we're currently fighting Only difference is O's money will be used to save lives

people die undernationalised healthcare schemes when resources get scare. It happens in Britain. no ones life will saved under govt healthcare.
not only this , but the world leading R&D that the US funds will get stifled. This too wil cost lives. No one's life will get saved here..

[Behshad]

The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.

No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?

I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...

But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"


Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....

He'll find it between the same sofa pillows where Bush found the $ to fund the 2 wars we're currently fighting Only difference is O's money will be used to save lives

people die undernationalised healthcare schemes when resources get scare. It happens in Britain. no ones life will saved under govt healthcare.
not only this , but the world leading R&D that the US funds will get stifled. This too wil cost lives. No one's life will get saved here..

So youre suggesting those without any health insurance right now have a better chance than if they DID have insurance?

Those people that youre refering to dying in Britian, wouldve died even under our current health system....

[Blueskies]

The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.

No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?

I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...

But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"


Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....

He'll find it between the same sofa pillows where Bush found the $ to fund the 2 wars we're currently fighting Only difference is O's money will be used to save lives

people die undernationalised healthcare schemes when resources get scare. It happens in Britain. no ones life will saved under govt healthcare.
not only this , but the world leading R&D that the US funds will get stifled. This too wil cost lives. No one's life will get saved here..

Did you listen to the speech yesterday? A National healthcare system like Britains isn't being talked about and considered here.