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Ehwmatt wrote:Eric wrote:Good solid speech, except for the following, otherwise I have no issues and think its a good idea:
You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.
That's all fine on its face speaking to kids, at least those under the age of 16. Of course we all know that parsing it we get the following:
Ending discrimination = Increase affirmative action, keep demonizing the white man
Ending homelessness = Redistribute wealth from those who work to those who don't
Protecting our environment = Someday I'd love to see the government tell you how long you can watch TV and have your lights on in your house
Make our nation more fair and free = See "ending homelessness" and "ending discrimination" entries ^^
Blueskies wrote:The speech the President is giving to students and teachers has been released.
A speech which some have been in an uproar about and some are even boycotting it so their children don't hear it. A speech which talks about taking responsibility and given with only the intent to motivate. Things that are good for all to hear and just as other Presidents have done in the past it IS the place of the President of the country to address the citizenry to motivate them, encourage them and to tell them they are a part of their society and it's their responsibilty to take advantage of their education and make the most out of it and be the best they can be. The children hold the future.
How sad that some parents due to their political bias and jumping to conclusions before the fact from what they hear from politically biased fear mongering... would not want their children to hear something like this. Things are being said in this speech that I would think all parents and citizens of this country would agree on.
Partisan politics have gotten totally out of hand once again. If people want to stay so stuck to only their views without hearing others and quit talking rationally about issues and not work together on solving problems nothing will ever get done. Stagnation from fear..prejudging, misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions and the need to be "always right" and not admit wrong and being so entrenched in beliefs to not being open to listening and discussing to try to resolve differences and problems ......well.....such entrenchment will not solve anything but will only cause further decline.
Just like when a pond gets stagnant....all life in the water dies.
It's past time for politicians and the voting public to stop being so partisan, stop trying to shut down the oppositions voice and stop being so closed off from listening to what is actually being said and stop interjecting what is not said into it and stop being closed off to other solutions.....so much so that we then become totally stagnant.
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G.I.Jim wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Eric wrote:Good solid speech, except for the following, otherwise I have no issues and think its a good idea:
You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.
That's all fine on its face speaking to kids, at least those under the age of 16. Of course we all know that parsing it we get the following:
Ending discrimination = Increase affirmative action, keep demonizing the white man
Ending homelessness = Redistribute wealth from those who work to those who don't
Protecting our environment = Someday I'd love to see the government tell you how long you can watch TV and have your lights on in your house
Make our nation more fair and free = See "ending homelessness" and "ending discrimination" entries ^^
Once again Matt... I agree 100%! As far as the kids go, I don't have a problem with his speach. But like you said, we all know what he means.
Ehwmatt wrote:Saint John wrote:Total socialism. Calm and collected with the kids and angry and forceful with the adults.
See my translation of doublespeak above, good sir
jrnychick wrote:I think the problem here is that many of us just don't trust Obama.
He's just spent a good portion of the summer trying to ram a healthcare bill down our throats.
I don't think he realized that conservatives would not roll over and just take it.
My problem with this speech was with the associated materials that went along with it. With the speech being aired during the day
Politics is one of the things that we think is best discussed at home.
Monker wrote: This is just a bunch of hypocritical bullshit, IMO. If it were 7yrs ago under Bush most of the people whining today would be preaching to respect the presidency and his position in authority in this country. Instead, since we have a leader who you do not agree with, you would rather teach your children to disrespect those in authority over you. You either respect the presidency or your don't. By the way most 'conservatives' act, I don't think they do.
Monker wrote: Funny how 'conservatives' blow up over this....but WANT religion in school which I think is a MUCH scarier thought then a political discussion.
Eric wrote:A pro and a con for Obama today:
Pro: I like his idea to tear down vacant run-down houses and create more open space, including trees, in these neighborhoods
Con: He's cozying up with the UN too much....they are an organization without our best interest in mind. I don't want a global currency.
Fact Finder wrote:Is The Won going to draw his line in the sand?
Behshad wrote:Eric wrote:A pro and a con for Obama today:
Pro: I like his idea to tear down vacant run-down houses and create more open space, including trees, in these neighborhoods
Con: He's cozying up with the UN too much....they are an organization without our best interest in mind. I don't want a global currency.
yep youre right,, good thing we didnt listen to UN 7 years ago and went into Iraq and totally won the war without any lives lost
Eric wrote:Behshad wrote:Eric wrote:A pro and a con for Obama today:
Pro: I like his idea to tear down vacant run-down houses and create more open space, including trees, in these neighborhoods
Con: He's cozying up with the UN too much....they are an organization without our best interest in mind. I don't want a global currency.
yep youre right,, good thing we didnt listen to UN 7 years ago and went into Iraq and totally won the war without any lives lost
UN oil for food scandal: http://www.heritage.org/research/intern ... bg1748.cfm
Thats why the UN didn't want us in Iraq.
Fact Finder wrote:strangegrey wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Is The Won going to draw his line in the sand?
Only if his teleprompter instructs him to....
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This is gonna get real interesting in the next few hours. A big chunk of American Freedom hangs in the balance.
Fact Finder wrote:Glenn Beck is putting the smackdown on some ACORN Workers in Baltimore...Fox has video. Apparently ACORN workers were helping a pimp and prostitute to get a home loan for a brothel and bring 13/14 yo girls from El Salvadore to pimp out there.
Holy Shit...the videos are amazing. Someone is going to jail.
Rockindeano wrote:Fact Finder wrote:strangegrey wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Is The Won going to draw his line in the sand?
Only if his teleprompter instructs him to....
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This is gonna get real interesting in the next few hours. A big chunk of American Freedom hangs in the balance.
Oh for the love of God, shut the fuck up already. You big whiny bitch. You aren't going to lose one Goddamned freedom. Fuck you.
Obama stood up to your party's lies and deceit, called you all on it, and now 2/3rds of the country (+14 points overnight), supports the plan. Good. It's coming. Suck on the results. It's about time.
CNN Poll: Double-digit post-speech jump for Obama plan
Posted: September 10th, 2009 05:01 AM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Two out of three Americans who watched President Barack Obama's health care reform speech Wednesday night favor his health care plans — a 14-point gain among speech-watchers, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation national poll of people who tuned into Obama's address Wednesday night to a joint session of Congress.
Sixty-seven percent of people questioned in the survey say they support Obama's health care reform proposals that the president outlined in his address, with 29 percent opposed. Those figures are almost identical to a poll conducted immediately after Bill Clinton's health care speech before Congress in September, 1993.
The audience for the speech appears to be more Democratic than the U.S. population as a whole. Because of this, the results may favor Obama simply because more Democrats than Republicans tune into the speech. The poll surveyed the opinions of people who watched Wednesday night's speech, and does not reflect the views of all Americans.
strangegrey wrote:The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.
No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?
I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...
But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"
Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....
Rockindeano wrote:Rick, The ENTIRE system is broken. EVERYONE is paying too much. He didn't lie. He is trying to accomplish a humanly mission, a mission that should have been done decades ago. He is great when he is Candidate Obama, but not so great when he governs from the WH. Last night, he buried the latter problem. Up 14 points. Nice.
He rightfully called the republicans liars and indirectly, Palin as the biggest fraud of them all(you get that?). Then a SC bozo yells out Liar, and all Hell has broken out yet again in the GOP. Just when they thought they weren't dead anymore, boom! Back in the box. Hahahahaha, fuck em. They are so embarrassing.
The sample of speech-watchers in this poll was 45 percent Democratic and 18 percent Republican. Our best estimate of the number of Democrats in the voting age population as a whole indicates that the sample is about 8-10 points more Democratic than the population as a whole.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
Your fear of " control " the whole system is just that, a fear. What is actually being talked about is a restructuring of the system that exists, tweeking it and maybe add on a part for better performance....as when anything is not working up to par. When your car is not working to optimum performance...certain parts need fixed.. it needs an overhaul which will benefit the entire engine and body....not just put a patch on a part here and there. If your cars busted, not working well...do you continue to just throw a patch on or eventually do things break down to the point that the whole thing needs an overhaul before it breaks down completely? A whole new car isn't being brought in to replace....they are trying to repair and improve the old one.lights1961 wrote:Rockindeano wrote:Fact Finder wrote:strangegrey wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Is The Won going to draw his line in the sand?
Only if his teleprompter instructs him to....
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This is gonna get real interesting in the next few hours. A big chunk of American Freedom hangs in the balance.
Oh for the love of God, shut the fuck up already. You big whiny bitch. You aren't going to lose one Goddamned freedom. Fuck you.
Obama stood up to your party's lies and deceit, called you all on it, and now 2/3rds of the country (+14 points overnight), supports the plan. Good. It's coming. Suck on the results. It's about time.
some parts are good... other parts are bad... but make no mistake... he wants control of the whole HEALTH CARE system... read between the lines.... IF the program is for only 5% of the NATION... why does he need to OVERHAUL THE WHOLE SYSTEM... it doesnt make sense... who will pay for it... the middle class... and he knows he is lies when he says the COST WONT GO UP... THATS NUTS, to believe that.
Rick
Behshad wrote:strangegrey wrote:The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.
No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?
I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...
But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"
Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....
He'll find it between the same sofa pillows where Bush found the $ to fund the 2 wars we're currently fightingOnly difference is O's money will be used to save lives
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:Behshad wrote:strangegrey wrote:The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.
No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?
I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...
But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"
Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....
He'll find it between the same sofa pillows where Bush found the $ to fund the 2 wars we're currently fightingOnly difference is O's money will be used to save lives
people die undernationalised healthcare schemes when resources get scare. It happens in Britain. no ones life will saved under govt healthcare.
not only this , but the world leading R&D that the US funds will get stifled. This too wil cost lives. No one's life will get saved here..
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:Behshad wrote:strangegrey wrote:The biggest problem for Obama will be this 900 billion he seems to have found in between the sofa pillows.
No one, leftie or rightie, can buy that with a straight face. We're in the middle of one of the worst economic climates in history, and all of a sudden, He's found almost a trillion dollars to spend on his latest pet project?
I'm sorry....this is a grenade that's going to blow up in the face of Axelrod and Obama. If we were in economically flush times, it might sell...
But the fact that he came out and said "don't worry, tax payers, this wont cost you a 'dime'," (his words not mine), "We've got enough inefficiency and fraud to pay for almost all of it"
Can you imagine if this were a kid going "Mommy, I am going to buy a playstation!" Mom responds "You don't have the money, son!" Junior responds "Yes I do, I've been stealing it from your purse for the past year!" Mommy wouldn't respond with thunderous applause and praise. She'd ground him....
He'll find it between the same sofa pillows where Bush found the $ to fund the 2 wars we're currently fightingOnly difference is O's money will be used to save lives
people die undernationalised healthcare schemes when resources get scare. It happens in Britain. no ones life will saved under govt healthcare.
not only this , but the world leading R&D that the US funds will get stifled. This too wil cost lives. No one's life will get saved here..
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