Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[verslibre]

We live in the age where the fans are winning. I say, the more the merrier. More importantly to me though, is they're different.

Quoted-for-truth. A contrast is imperative. I'd vomit if every single movie looked the same and ran with the same gags.

Regardless of the hate for BvS, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are wholly unaffected as characters. Their appeal is universal. I can't count how many people I talked to who wanted to see it just for WW and WW alone.

[YoungJRNYfan]

What's funny is that a lot of people still want their cinematic Superman to be Christopher Reeve.

In case nobody noticed, I'm a protective Superman fan (lol.) I'm one of those Superman fans that always wanted growth to the character. In basically all iterations of the character, he's one note. We never see him gradually develop nor do we see the necessary mental flaws that allow him to make the mistakes the ideal Superman, wouldn't.

I love classic Superman and I adore Christopher Reeve and the Donnerverse (I retconned Superman Returns OUT of the Donnerverse in my mind) but that won't stop me from accepting what Henry and Zack has done with the character so far. It's exactly what always fascinated me about the character that many creators and fans refuse to touch.

In all honesty, if we would have got a fully developed; classic Superman in Batman V Superman who would of been flying around and smiling to the camera and being his true nostalgic self, I would have been not only insanely annoyed, but would have been just as disappointed, if not more, than I was with Superman Returns.

If they would have skipped over Superman's current arc after what they just gave us with Man of Steel and went STRAIGHT to "Boy Scout", that would have told me they had NO direction left for Superman and they were done telling his story.

The ending to BvS tells me otherwise and I'm excited to see this version of the character break down those necessary walls to get to the classic version everyone wants (fans want it ALL in ONE film. BORING.) If we would have got it all in BvS, I would have felt dishonored as a Superman fan; especially have to wait 3 years since MoS. I'm glad we aren't there yet. Is this the ideal Superman? No, but I'm excited to see where he ends up.

But nobody noticed or would care that Downey's Stark acts nothing like the guy from the comics. He didn't have a one-liner in every panel.

So when they eventually recast Stark, the "new guy" might have a really hard time filling the armor.

I've been saying this for a long time about fan favorites who revolutionized the character like RDJR did. He was the perfect love storm any movie franchise would be stupid not to build off of. Marvel hasn't hit their tough times yet, but if history has proven anything, is that it's about to get very difficult in the future. It already happened to Spidey. We're already on his 3rd version since 2000.

[Abitaman]

The Spidey thing is do to lack of intelligence at the studio. They should have done a 4 with no reboot and keep going from there and just grow the character.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Yeah, that's the point (though, Spider-Man 3 was one of the very few movies I literally walked out on with my wife. No joke. That happened.) It just shows how tough it is when fans get one version of the character they love so much and it just...ends. The comparisons by that point will start flying where expectations of other versions will never be met with some people.

It's tough to move on from being attached to one version. I happened to like The Amazing Spider Man (TASM2 was just okay) but by that time Garfield was already in the line of fire and feeling the effects of how different he was from Raimi's version. It's a difficult task when so many stories have already been told.

[Abitaman]

We live in the age where the fans are winning. I say, the more the merrier. More importantly to me though, is they're different.

Quoted-for-truth. A contrast is imperative. I'd vomit if every single movie looked the same and ran with the same gags.

Regardless of the hate for BvS, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are wholly unaffected as characters. Their appeal is universal. I can't count how many people I talked to who wanted to see it just for WW and WW alone.

I was at a place where I could have done with or without WW. The casting was ok, but I did not rule her out as the actress or make comments "she can not be WW, her boobs are too small or eyes are not blue." The I saw the first picture of her in costume, and I have to admit she looked a little on the skinny side, I was not going to rule out her being a good choice, because she looked fierce, something WW needs to be.
Then when I saw her as DP interacting with Bruce, I knew she was going to be good. When she finally made her appearance as WW on screen, she overshadowed both Supes and Bats.
I will say the same for Flash, if look all over the internet people are complaining about how he looks, with armor on and such. They are taking a 10 second spot and deciding he is going to suck. It is impossible to do that, we have no idea what is going on in the future, there maybe a reason for that armor. If anything, it made me want to see this flash even more. And let me say, I am a big fan of the Flash TV show.

Just on a side not, waiting for the movie to start opening night, the place was packed and people were shouting out during the Marvel sliver war trailer, so dumb ass shouted out Marvel rules during the trailer and it started people yelling out Superheroes, kinda DC Vs Marvel. Kind of funny, everyone was laughing and carry on. Best line was when the trailer was over so one yelled out Spidey you have failed this city, which started Spidey...you failed the Avengers, Marvel and all such...Not much like for Spidey that night,.

[Abitaman]

Yeah, that's the point (though, Spider-Man 3 was one of the very few movies I literally walked out on with my wife. No joke. That happened.) It just shows how tough it is when fans get one version of the character they love so much and it just...ends. The comparisons by that point will start flying where expectations of other versions will never be met with some people.

It's tough to move on from being attached to one version. I happened to like The Amazing Spider Man (TASM2 was just okay) but by that time Garfield was already in the line of fire and feeling the effects of how different he was from Raimi's version. It's a difficult task when so many stories have already been told.

I just could not get into either movie, and I though TASM2 was as bad as or worse than Batman and Robin.
I did like the chemistry between Peter and Stacey in the movie, but other than that, I tought for the most part the special effects were below par, and the movies had a been there and done that feel all across the board.

[verslibre]

The Spidey thing is do to lack of intelligence at the studio. They should have done a 4 with no reboot and keep going from there and just grow the character.

Tobey was a great Peter Parker. That Garfield guy just ain't Parker. We'll see how Holland does.

Yeah, that's the point (though, Spider-Man 3 was one of the very few movies I literally walked out on with my wife. No joke. That happened.) It just shows how tough it is when fans get one version of the character they love so much and it just...ends. The comparisons by that point will start flying where expectations of other versions will never be met with some people.

That's hilarious. You missed nothing, too (as you no doubt found out later). But that movie truly IS the result of heavy studio interference. They made Raimi put Venom in. He said Venom needed his own movie. The guy in charge said nope, the fans want Venom. We want Venom. Put him in there. Rewrite it. But keep Son of Green Goblin and Sandman in there. The whole thing blew.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Yeah, that's the point (though, Spider-Man 3 was one of the very few movies I literally walked out on with my wife. No joke. That happened.) It just shows how tough it is when fans get one version of the character they love so much and it just...ends. The comparisons by that point will start flying where expectations of other versions will never be met with some people.

It's tough to move on from being attached to one version. I happened to like The Amazing Spider Man (TASM2 was just okay) but by that time Garfield was already in the line of fire and feeling the effects of how different he was from Raimi's version. It's a difficult task when so many stories have already been told.

I just could not get into either movie, and I though TASM2 was as bad as or worse than Batman and Robin.
I did like the chemistry between Peter and Stacey in the movie, but other than that, I tought for the most part the special effects were below par, and the movies had a been there and done that feel all across the board.

I gave TASM franchise a fair shake. When it comes to fans of Spidey, I fall into the casual audience, so I'm not as..deep I should say about spending time to talk about it. The films left no impression on me to the point where I felt I needed to talk about it. TASM was good as far as a reboot was concerned, but TASM2 made it forgettable and left me no desire to know what was next. I felt 2 of those films were enough. Not a good feeling when you're trying to build a wider universe.

[YoungJRNYfan]

That's hilarious. You missed nothing, too (as you no doubt found out later). But that movie truly IS the result of heavy studio interference. They made Raimi put Venom in. He said Venom needed his own movie. The guy in charge said nope, the fans want Venom. We want Venom. Put him in there. Rewrite it. But keep Son of Green Goblin and Sandman in there. The whole thing blew.

Lets put it this way, v. I had to go home and wash down the queef SM3 left in my mouth with a heavy dose of Superman Returns. That should tell you something as you know how fucking dreadful and infuriated Superman Returns made me lol.

[verslibre]

I was at a place where I could have done with or without WW. The casting was ok, but I did not rule her out as the actress or make comments "she can not be WW, her boobs are too small or eyes are not blue." The I saw the first picture of her in costume, and I have to admit she looked a little on the skinny side, I was not going to rule out her being a good choice, because she looked fierce, something WW needs to be.
Then when I saw her as DP interacting with Bruce, I knew she was going to be good. When she finally made her appearance as WW on screen, she overshadowed both Supes and Bats.

Gal really sold it. She has the face, the height and the energy.

I will say the same for Flash, if look all over the internet people are complaining about how he looks, with armor on and such. They are taking a 10 second spot and deciding he is going to suck. It is impossible to do that, we have no idea what is going on in the future, there maybe a reason for that armor. If anything, it made me want to see this flash even more. And let me say, I am a big fan of the Flash TV show.

In Crisis on Infinite Earths, Flash zips around various timelines trying to warn people. The scene in the movie is no doubt inspired by that. He has an exo-suit over his regular red duds. Nothing for the haters to complain about, but right now they're working overtime.

Just on a side not, waiting for the movie to start opening night, the place was packed and people were shouting out during the Marvel sliver war trailer, so dumb ass shouted out Marvel rules during the trailer and it started people yelling out Superheroes, kinda DC Vs Marvel. Kind of funny, everyone was laughing and carry on. Best line was when the trailer was over so one yelled out Spidey you have failed this city, which started Spidey...you failed the Avengers, Marvel and all such...Not much like for Spidey that night,.

LOL. Good thing a fight didn't break out before the movie. One did during the movie when Kevin Smith was watching it the second time.

[verslibre]

That's hilarious. You missed nothing, too (as you no doubt found out later). But that movie truly IS the result of heavy studio interference. They made Raimi put Venom in. He said Venom needed his own movie. The guy in charge said nope, the fans want Venom. We want Venom. Put him in there. Rewrite it. But keep Son of Green Goblin and Sandman in there. The whole thing blew.

Lets put it this way, v. I had to go home and wash down the queef SM3 left in my mouth with a heavy dose of Superman Returns. That should tell you something as you know how fucking dreadful and infuriated Superman Returns made me lol.

Queef! As much as I've bagged on that movie — and Singer — I'd sooner watch SR, too. SM3 just sucks. It sucks so badly, I've never watched it since that time in the theater, just like Iron Man 3. IM3 is silly, but I'd also watch that over SM3. It was just SO BAD. Sandman sucked. Goblin was back too soon. Venom was a joke. There's that weird scene with Emo Parker in the bar. Everything they'd built fell apart in that movie.

[verslibre]

I just could not get into either movie, and I though TASM2 was as bad as or worse than Batman and Robin.

Damn! And B&R is a stinker, too. One of the worst. That scene with Freeze's skaters and Clooney flippin' his cape around like a ballerina is painful. It literally causes me pain.

[YoungJRNYfan]

I just could not get into either movie, and I though TASM2 was as bad as or worse than Batman and Robin.

Damn! And B&R is a stinker, too. One of the worst. That scene with Freeze's skaters and Clooney flippin' his cape around like a ballerina is painful. It literally causes me pain.

It's a great comedy. I mean..."The Room" type comedy...as in it's so bad, it's a cult classic. When Clooney is getting up off that pad with Poisen Ivy, you can tell he's struggling so hard in the Bat-rubber to even move. He looked like an out of shape; middle aged athlete who had one too many pizza's trying to get off the couch to reach the remote on the other side of the room.

I laugh hysterically at that part every time.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Gitesh Pandya ‏@GiteshPandya 7m7 minutes ago #BatmanvSuperman officially broke $500M global yesterday. $20.7M intl TUE for new total of $501.9M & climbing.

4 days and already halfway to a billion.

[verslibre]

I just could not get into either movie, and I though TASM2 was as bad as or worse than Batman and Robin.

Damn! And B&R is a stinker, too. One of the worst. That scene with Freeze's skaters and Clooney flippin' his cape around like a ballerina is painful. It literally causes me pain.

It's a great comedy. I mean..."The Room" type comedy...as in it's so bad, it's a cult classic. When Clooney is getting up off that pad with Poisen Ivy, you can tell he's struggling so hard in the Bat-rubber to even move. He looked like an out of shape; middle aged athlete who had one too many pizza's trying to get off the couch to reach the remote on the other side of the room.

I laugh hysterically at that part every time.

Damn. I don't even remember that. I do remember Freeze's one-liners. Every pun imaginable involving ice.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Damn. I don't even remember that.

Honest Trailers - Batman & Robin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCS_kif7qfk

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[Abitaman]

Crisis on Infinite Earths was a great story. Made me sad, that they did away with the Multiverse. All the stories no more. Many people complained afterwards about the heroes not being them. Sign of the times, they tend to change with whatever is going on in the world. I was glad when they brought back the Multiverse, even though I am not a fan of the new 52. I have been told that is what they are basing the DC heroes off of.
But DC, I understand is rebooting again this May. Maybe they will do better this time, while DC has been my favorite company, they really have sucked the past few years. So bad I stopped readying them. I have not picked up a book since the Final Crisis. Maybe a chance for me to get back in. I use to collect JLA (JL,JLI,etc..) Teen Titans, Wonder Woman, any Superman, BAtman book. JSA when they were out. And to show my age, All Star Comics, All Star Squadron, DC Comics Presents...just to name a few.
Marvel, I have always been hit and miss on their books. Collected 2 Spiderman titles, 2 main X-Men, Avengers, Captain America. And they were not all the time
Anyway, both companies, DC mainly need to get their head back in the game, they have some iconic heroes that need to be put out there with something good to say.

[verslibre]

I have a feeling Chris Terrio knows about this. Just a feeling.

[Abitaman]

Batman v Superman: the modern revenge tragedy

http://pulpklatura.tumblr.com/post/141843209469/batman-v-superman-the-modern-revenge-tragedy

What a read, holy long winded Batman. Must say I agree with a good deal of it.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Crisis on Infinite Earths was a great story. Made me sad, that they did away with the Multiverse. All the stories no more. Many people complained afterwards about the heroes not being them. Sign of the times, they tend to change with whatever is going on in the world. I was glad when they brought back the Multiverse, even though I am not a fan of the new 52. I have been told that is what they are basing the DC heroes off of.
But DC, I understand is rebooting again this May. Maybe they will do better this time, while DC has been my favorite company, they really have sucked the past few years. So bad I stopped readying them. I have not picked up a book since the Final Crisis. Maybe a chance for me to get back in. I use to collect JLA (JL,JLI,etc..) Teen Titans, Wonder Woman, any Superman, BAtman book. JSA when they were out. And to show my age, All Star Comics, All Star Squadron, DC Comics Presents...just to name a few.
Marvel, I have always been hit and miss on their books. Collected 2 Spiderman titles, 2 main X-Men, Avengers, Captain America. And they were not all the time
Anyway, both companies, DC mainly need to get their head back in the game, they have some iconic heroes that need to be put out there with something good to say.

DC had a storyline called Convergence recently and it was the beginning of slowly bringing back the Multiverse. They already brought back Pre-Flashpoint (Post Crisis; ,Classic Superman) who existed on another Earth in a different time line. He's married with Lois and has a child. His book right now is called Lois and Clark. He has the Black and Silver suit and is rocking a beard. I have all the issues in the mini-series that I need to catch up on but the new "softboot" called REBIRTH coming up is bringing the Old continuity; Multiverse back and merging that universe with the New52 Universe and DC'S old continuity will be back.

Though, I dropped all the main titles after "Truth" so I haven't been picking the books up in months so I'm currrently out of touch. The crossovers are burning me out and DC keeps hitting the reset button.

That said, if you're interesting in a fresh take on Clark Kent that has NEVER been done before and is quickly becoming a classic in the making, check out SUPERMAN: AMERICAN ALIEN by Max Landis. He has takin the Superman story and did something with it that I've never seen before and it's unreal man in the greatest of ways.

Speaking of Darkseid and the New Gods, it seems like your an older reader so there's also a brand spanking new title by legend Neal Adams called 'The Coming of the Supermen". It's a classic 70's style; Bronze Age story with classic Superman taking on Darkseid and the New Gods. Only 2 issues in and Adams writes like he's on mushrooms haha. (V, did you read Batman: Odyssey?)

[verslibre]

Just saw this.

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/03/29/my-review-of-batman-v-superman-and-its-reviews/

[verslibre]

Speaking of Darkseid and the New Gods, it seems like your an older reader so there's also a brand spanking new title by legend Neal Adams called 'The Coming of the Supermen". It's a classic 70's style; Bronze Age story with classic Superman taking on Darkseid and the New Gods. Only 2 issues in and Adams writes like he's on mushrooms haha. (V, did you read Batman: Odyssey?)

Shrooms!! I'll be at my local shop this Friday (gotta get Sid's take on BvS) and I'm going to look for that. D&TNG. Batman: Odyssey's a'ight, but I love '70s-'80s comics, and that thing reads like it was published in the '70s. Adams' art, as always, is outstanding.

[RedWingFan]

Mike Golic have BvS 2 1/2 out of 5 and Greenberg have it 2 out of 5.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Just saw that, RWF. He dedacted points because it jumps around and it is all over the place in narrative, but he did like the story and he did enjoy every interaction between Batman and Superman for the entirety of the movie.

He didn't like Eisenberg (says he did what he needed to do, but forced it) but both Greenie and Golic said they absolutely loved Wonder Woman. Golic says most of this stuff sets up what's to come for Justice League and he's excited for the potential stories this movie sets up. Overall, he liked it. Greenie didn't, but he's a priss. He hates movie theaters, trys to avoid them and the first sign of light in a theater, he leaves lol.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The title of the article is probably unwarranted givin' the nature of fan and flame wars, but I can't help but agree with EVERY word of this article:

‘Batman v Superman’ is too smart for Marvel fans
"Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe that’s not it at all. Maybe a wisecracking raccoon and Deadpool’s masturbation jokes are just a lot more interesting."
http://nypost.com/2016/03/30/batman-v-s ... vel-fans/#

[YoungJRNYfan]

"Save, Martha"
"Why did you say her name?!?!!!!!!!!"

People actually defend this shit? After BvS, Snyder will be lucky to land a job as an assistant grip on a Ron Jeremy porn shoot.

If people can sit there and defend the Mandarin situation in Iron Man 3 (which spit in the face of comic fans all around the world that completely DUPED them. That was highway robbery) then people can EASILY defend this. Atleast it's a worthy contender into the mythologies of both characters that makes sense in references to comic books. No actors this time around.

[RedWingFan]

The title of the article is probably unwarranted givin' the nature of fan and flame wars, but I can't help but agree with EVERY word of this article:

‘Batman v Superman’ is too smart for Marvel fans
"Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe that’s not it at all. Maybe a wisecracking raccoon and Deadpool’s masturbation jokes are just a lot more interesting."
http://nypost.com/2016/03/30/batman-v-s ... vel-fans/#

Bullshit! This is what pisses me off. Marvel fans aren't too stupid to understand DC's Shitty movies. They just expect good movies. Fuck you and DC's Shitty movies if you think so.

[verslibre]

Iron Man 3 is another movie I haven't bothered with since the theater. FX keeps showing it, so I'll catch it again one of these days. The story has so many problems, but anytime you point something out, you automatically get called a "DC fanboy" (even if you're not a DC fanboy). Third movie in a row featuring a battle with "drones," but this time they're Killian's Extremis-endowed grunts. Then Stark's holed up in some garage that apparently even SHIELD can't get to (though Coulson easily overrides Stark Tower's security in Avengers), and even fixes the suit with shit laying around the garage. If all he needed to do was charge the battery and tighten the hex bolts, why was he stuck there for so long?

Oh, yeah: "Hi, Killian! I'm Pepper!"

[YoungJRNYfan]

The title of the article is probably unwarranted givin' the nature of fan and flame wars, but I can't help but agree with EVERY word of this article:

‘Batman v Superman’ is too smart for Marvel fans
"Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe that’s not it at all. Maybe a wisecracking raccoon and Deadpool’s masturbation jokes are just a lot more interesting."
http://nypost.com/2016/03/30/batman-v-s ... vel-fans/#

Bullshit! This is what pisses me off. Marvel fans aren't too stupid to understand DC's Shitty movies. They just expect good movies. Fuck you and DC's Shitty movies if you think so.

Don't be mad. The title is not warranted and it's specifically designed to get THAT reaction out of you, so, the title of the article won. Don't let it. I probably shouldn't of included it. I do agree with the inside content, though without paying attention to the Marvel jabs.

[verslibre]

The title of the article is probably unwarranted givin' the nature of fan and flame wars, but I can't help but agree with EVERY word of this article:

‘Batman v Superman’ is too smart for Marvel fans
"Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe that’s not it at all. Maybe a wisecracking raccoon and Deadpool’s masturbation jokes are just a lot more interesting."
http://nypost.com/2016/03/30/batman-v-s ... vel-fans/#

Yeah, it's a provocative title. So are the titles of many anti-BvS articles.

But you'd have to be a loon to not agree with this:

This dimension lends the film a gravity and level of interest that places it at the opposite end of the spectrum from such sophomoric Marvel movies as “The Avengers: Age of Ultron,” “Guardians of the Galaxy” and “Deadpool.” All three feature brainless, low-stakes action that’s as interesting as watching a waiter fall down the stairs while carrying a tray of dishes; juvenile, self-referential jokes that are neither clever nor funny; and an imaginative perspective whose boundaries are marked by other movies and comic books.

At no point do these movies intersect with reality, much less muse about heavy political or philosophical points. These films are about themselves, which gives them a dismally onanistic tone that, along with their wit-free sense of humor, makes them ideally suited for the teen mentality that rules popular culture.

“Batman v Superman” may be pretentious, but it’s far more mature and ambitious than these other films, and it’s even occasionally interesting. A hauntingly painted tableau in which Superman is surrounded by worshippers on Mexico’s Day of the Dead underlines how eerie and alien it would be to have a superbeing among us. Moreover, the film considers the ramifications of superbeings to a depth rarely attempted in the 78-year history of these characters.